Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said:

totally agree, and why I respected prizefight for keepin it real.

Is he/she an insider??

yes, that's what he/she said. Myself and others here do believe prizefight

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said:

prizefight...is that you???

JJ strawberryova123

It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

Most likely because it was a well known secret amongst them. Who's to say Wendy and Lisa didn't give him hassle over it? The same goes for Sheila E, Manuela, probably not Mayte cause she was too young and easy to dupe, and all associates who were actually close to him at one time or another? For all we known they might have done and might have gotten tired of talking to a brick wall or getting the nasty side of Prince because of it.

Remember, even Lenny Kravitz said in a interview shortly after Prince died (like a couple of days later, if I recall correctly) that he had an idea of what might have happened, at a time when everyone was speculating still and there were no news about Fentanyl. He knew. So obviously all those close associates knew too. Manuela knew and according to her, Larry Graham also knew. The list is endless, but they are all keeping a closed mouth. Whereas before I thought they were respecting his privacy, I now believe they just don't want to look bad for knowing all along and basically doing nothing about it.

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MMJas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said: It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

Most likely because it was a well known secret amongst them. Who's to say Wendy and Lisa didn't give him hassle over it? The same goes for Sheila E, Manuela, probably not Mayte cause she was too young and easy to dupe, and all associates who were actually close to him at one time or another? For all we known they might have done and might have gotten tired of talking to a brick wall or getting the nasty side of Prince because of it.

Remember, even Lenny Kravitz said in a interview shortly after Prince died (like a couple of days later, if I recall correctly) that he had an idea of what might have happened, at a time when everyone was speculating still and there were no news about Fentanyl. He knew. So obviously all those close associates knew too. Manuela knew and according to her, Larry Graham also knew. The list is endless, but they are all keeping a closed mouth. Whereas before I thought they were respecting his privacy, I now believe they just don't want to look bad for knowing all along and basically doing nothing about it.

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That interview with Lenny Kravitz was on the day of Prince's death. Lenny speculated that he figured it was just a "one off" sort of thing but refused to go into further detail on his thoughts.I agree with you MMJAS,those associated with Prince knew.hands down

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OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep I agree. The only book I'm interested in is the 50 pages that Prince did. If I want to read anything else, I'll check it out of the library, I'm not giving them a dime of my money any longer.

Agreed. They won't be getting a penny of my money. At this point most of them are merely spreading cryptic misinformation. I'll be avoiding Tyka's book like the plague. Her statements regarding Prince's death are mostly all invalidated by the police report and were the basis of the rumours and speculation that Prince was unwell with an additional illness or disease.

But what Tyka said Prince told her two(or three) years prior to his transitioning.depending on which interview she did. Almost matched word for for word what Judith said Prince told her about him doing "all he has come here on earth to do".

Musze said:

PeteSilas said:

it's also a major gateway drug.

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

It sure does I lost my significant other to alcoholism.One by one the organs start shutting down.

precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said: Is he/she an insider??

yes, that's what he/she said. Myself and others here do believe prizefight

prizefight was totally the real deal...

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I am so frustrated at these associates I can't see straight. On top of that frustration it seems like we can't discuss the things these associates have done, here on the Org. Every thread about the associates is getting locked.

I'm done with these associates and how they try to cover things up and then ride the purple money train. I think if we as Prince fans refuse to support them any longer, maybe they will stop riding that train and move on, with out living off of Prince. We need to band together to get this done.

If the mods have their favorite associates, they don't want us talking about them anymore and instead of being unbiased they are locking the threads.

These associates know what they've done, and they have to live with that the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares about it. Chances are they just don't give a shit though.

co-sign, Penny!

Penny speaks truth to power...

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why does everyone look to Kirk to blame and not look at Meron or Phaedra?

Is it because they are women and you assume only a man would be the source of the illegal fentanyl?

Remember Kirk willingly gave a statement to the police until the Detective was interrupted during Kirk's interview.

Meron fled back to her hotel room and never gave a statement other than to state she felt she couldnt because of the NDA and then immediately hired counsel.

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I place blame on all of them, not just Kirk. From reading the investigation reports, they were all doing something shady. Why would someone be using a private text app if they have nothing to hide?

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Kirk calls the kitchen and Prince's bedroom at 8AM? He knows Prince is not up at that hour!

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If Prince was in a bad way, why did Kirk, Phaedra and Meron leave him all alone??!! Anyone with common sense in their heads would never do that!!

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Also, Gaither (P's bodyguard) stated that Prince never used the elevator....he always took the stairs!!

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Why did Meron have over 3K in cash in her purse?

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Why was Phaedra hacking computers?

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Why would Vans and Phaedra set up charities that they know did not have the proper clearances?

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Who's getting Prince's royalties??

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It just goes on and on and on........all these people are shady!!

like you said, there are just too many inconsistencies

MMJas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said: It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

Most likely because it was a well known secret amongst them. Who's to say Wendy and Lisa didn't give him hassle over it? The same goes for Sheila E, Manuela, probably not Mayte cause she was too young and easy to dupe, and all associates who were actually close to him at one time or another? For all we known they might have done and might have gotten tired of talking to a brick wall or getting the nasty side of Prince because of it.

Remember, even Lenny Kravitz said in a interview shortly after Prince died (like a couple of days later, if I recall correctly) that he had an idea of what might have happened, at a time when everyone was speculating still and there were no news about Fentanyl. He knew. So obviously all those close associates knew too. Manuela knew and according to her, Larry Graham also knew. The list is endless, but they are all keeping a closed mouth. Whereas before I thought they were respecting his privacy, I now believe they just don't want to look bad for knowing all along and basically doing nothing about it.

[Edited 5/4/18 15:41pm]

What could they have done, if they have tried to get him to talk to him and he refused to get help? One of the key elements of addictiion is denial and until the addict acknowledges that they have a problem and gets help, what can anyone else do?

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said:

prizefight...is that you???

JJ strawberryova123

It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

[Edited 5/4/18 17:16pm]

cloveringold85 said:

WeDaBest said:

The contract he signed in 2014 was intricate. He would regain ownership after each album was eligible for copyright. Also WB retained much of the older work outside of the U.S.

https://www.billboard.com...bum-coming

http://www.latimes.com/en...story.html

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The fact that Prince went back with WB; that shit never sat right with me. It just seemed so out of character for Prince to even consider doing anything like that, because he fought so long and hard for the rights to his music. If it were me, I would not do it -- not for any amount of money in the world.

How else was he going to get his master recordings back? He would have died not ever getting his number one wish in the world. I feel he did the right thing. I remember he was so happy about it.

purplerabbithole said:

Some of them could have done a little more I think. But his pain issues were real and his need for pain relief was real and his inability to be anything other than a musician was real. Its not just as easy as "fuck that dude, I hope he dies" so I can exploit his ass. NOw, don't get me wrong. I do get angry at his associates for throwing around the word "love" and then looking out for their own interests and I do doubt that some of them cared about Prince but I do not presume that none of them cared. I think most of them probably were concerned in the back of their minds. But it sounds like Prince had a way of bouncing back and his premature death at 57 was probably not what they were expecting. Plus, getting back into his circle was tough. The fact that MOrris Hayes had to convey his concerns to an ex-manager about P's health showed how high those walls were. I just wish they stated a bit more about regret. Lisa did admit she had regrets however so did others subtlely. My biggest problem with the associates now is that they seem to have forgotten the struggling man they are "celebrating" and they need to look at how insenstivie it was to ignore the way the press just covered what was in those reports and the pictures.

tmo1965 said:

MMJas said:

Most likely because it was a well known secret amongst them. Who's to say Wendy and Lisa didn't give him hassle over it? The same goes for Sheila E, Manuela, probably not Mayte cause she was too young and easy to dupe, and all associates who were actually close to him at one time or another? For all we known they might have done and might have gotten tired of talking to a brick wall or getting the nasty side of Prince because of it.

Remember, even Lenny Kravitz said in a interview shortly after Prince died (like a couple of days later, if I recall correctly) that he had an idea of what might have happened, at a time when everyone was speculating still and there were no news about Fentanyl. He knew. So obviously all those close associates knew too. Manuela knew and according to her, Larry Graham also knew. The list is endless, but they are all keeping a closed mouth. Whereas before I thought they were respecting his privacy, I now believe they just don't want to look bad for knowing all along and basically doing nothing about it.

[Edited 5/4/18 15:41pm]

What could they have done, if they have tried to get him to talk to him and he refused to get help? One of the key elements of addictiion is denial and until the addict acknowledges that they have a problem and gets help, what can anyone else do?

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

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There's certain ones who've always pushed the prizefight agenda and it's pretty much the same group. I guess someone jumping on here for a few weeks and then disappearing is completely credible!

YOu don't think he deserved to die but a couple people here have speculated whether associates took a sadistic delight in his passing.I say anyone who would do that is f'd up period and not worthy of good treatment by Prince or anyone else. You folks act like Prince was shooting up heroin in front of them, they watched him overdose over and over and then eventually said 'fvck that dude, I don't care what happens to him". Its far from being that simple. People's inaction was probably motivated by a lot of things...helplessness due to his litigious nature, his secrecy and his ability to deny the whole thing since no one had concrete proof other than a few incidents and odd behaviors, misunderstanding of the extent of his problem (after all, Prince was a high functioning addict), greed to some degree (sure), denial from him and from them (I bet some of those folks deal with chronic pain in a similar way.). Chronic pain is uncurable. How do you know that people didn't say to themselves.."Geez, I hope this doesn't kill him but what else are we are going to do? Living no relief from chronic pain and without performing his music, he wouldn't have a reason to live anyway. " How do you know that the Revolution reunion attempts weren't partly a way to get P back to health? I do think his associates have egos, insensitive moments of exploitation, self-serving agendas at times, but they are not monsters and neither was Prince.

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

[Edited 5/4/18 17:16pm]

No one said he deserved to die we're saying that people get tired after awhile over people's bull shit and start to careless about that person's predicament.especially dealing with a person whi has an addiction

[Edited 5/4/18 17:41pm]

Did you interact personally with prizefight via orgnotes?....nah, I didn't think so. Conversly, myself, bodhi and ISLIJAG have, so your opinion is your own as to whether prizefight was an actual insider. There was PLENTY enough info given to believe he/she truly was. Also, in pf "opinion", he/she thought "by the looks of it", Prince was starting to have issues with the other hip.

Touche'

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said: It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

[Edited 5/4/18 17:16pm]

the ones on here at the time of prizefight all know you were one of the ones trying to run pf off of here, with your reporting him to luv4u every other post. Like ISLIJAG said before, prizefight was very strong and outspoken and proceeded to just walk away because everyone here basically refused to believe Prince had an ongoing problem and would rather keep their head up their ass. Pf even said "I'm walking away because obviously they're not ready for the truth" FACT

Mumio said:

purplerabbithole said:

[Biggie blurb]

There's certain ones who've always pushed the prizefight agenda and it's pretty much the same group. I guess someone jumping on here for a few weeks and then disappearing is completely credible!

How the hell did my name get dragged into this poo flinging mess

Let's keep the thread on track and not derail the topic please. And keep it civil thanks!

we have a lot of bright people here, always did, i have to say that going through some of this stuff. I mentioned how i wondered if some people may not have felt sympathy, i didn't say I felt that way, I was just wondering, I don't know. I do know there are people out there who i wouldn't mourn if they died, people i've met, who did nothing but hurt people, how do you feel bad for them? I even have former friends who i don't even know how to feel about and don't know how i'll feel when they die, won't know til it gets here. Prince hurt peoples careers at different times, think about that. To hurt someone's ability to make an honest dollar is in my mind one of the more heinous things a person can do. You stop people's ability to feed themselves and their family, that's just mean to me. I've had "friends" who have done that to me it fucks up your ability to trust but it also leaves you conflicted on how to feel about their misfortunes. Then, i've had people who i could care less if they drop dead. I can't see Prince, having to make all kinds of tough and not so tough choices to be who he was and to do what he wanted to do, didn't do it without fucking people sometimes, ya know, what the military might call "collateral damage" but it ain't just collateral damage to the people it effects, it's their whole world.

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said: It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

[Edited 5/4/18 17:16pm]

ya, anyone who's ever had a relative drag them through hell with their addiction would know it isn't just about caring, caring is the worst thing you can do for your own health sometimes. These days I cut people off in a heartbeat if I see those issues with a "i'll pray for them" to whoever will listen.

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

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No one said he deserved to die we're saying that people get tired after awhile over people's bull shit and start to careless about that person's predicament.especially dealing with a person whi has an addiction

Yes, I did have org notes interactions with Prizedfight and they apologized to me for making P look so bad. They said he had good sides and bad sides and that they didn't mean to upset me so much. They also stated on the thread and that they were speculating to some degree. But unless they were willing to tell you exactly how they knew Prince beyond what was stated in the thread that I was reading (working with his doctor), how do you presume that they know what this associates feel? People in his inner circles, middle circles, outer circles...all of them had unanswered questions about the guy and differing opinions. By the way, Judith said his issue was with his hands. "by the looks of it" is not definitive proof of anything--it is a good hypothesis from a doctor or nurse--not without merit but nothing the rest of us couldn't have figured out.. I didn't say they didn't have insider info but it doesn't mean they know the ins and outs of everything. SOme of you folks seem to revel in the notion that this guy was presumably right about some things, but other than his medical issues in 2010, their speculations were just speculations often attributed to enabled and powerful famous people with drug problems. I bet Tom Petty's bandmates and family members knew he was on fentanyl too, but that doesn't make me an insider. Petty, too, had pain and a desire to keep working so presumably he was disliked by his associates..

precioux said:

Did you interact personally with prizefight via orgnotes?....nah, I didn't think so. Conversly, myself, bodhi and ISLIJAG have, so your opinion is your own as to whether prizefight was an actual insider. There was PLENTY enough info given to believe he/she truly was. Also, in pf "opinion", he/she thought "by the looks of it", Prince was starting to have issues with the other hip.

Touche'

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

[Edited 5/4/18 17:16pm]

i don't think i particularly remember Prizefight but I do know that we've all had different factions then and now about what happened. I try not to dismiss or disrespect peoples opinions as long as I feel it's coming from a decent place (they loved the man like I do).

precioux said:

the ones on here at the time of prizefight all know you were one of the ones trying to run pf off of here, with your reporting him to luv4u every other post. Like ISLIJAG said before, prizefight was very strong and outspoken and proceeded to just walk away because everyone here basically refused to believe Prince had an ongoing problem and would rather keep their head up their ass. Pf even said "I'm walking away because obviously they're not ready for the truth" FACT

Mumio said:

There's certain ones who've always pushed the prizefight agenda and it's pretty much the same group. I guess someone jumping on here for a few weeks and then disappearing is completely credible!

I understand conflicting feelings about people who hurt your livelihood. But ultimately they are responsible for their own careers, not Prince. Prince is not the head of Warner Brothers. Anyone who thought Prince was their ticket to life-long stardom has got their head on backwards. If Jill Jones can forgive, then certainly most people can. I have been fired and I was a single mother..and it hurt my reputation and my resume and I was angry. But I didn't wish the woman who fired me would just up and die. She just didn't think I was good at the job. I got another job. There are other jobs out there than singer, pop star or musician.

PeteSilas said:

we have a lot of bright people here, always did, i have to say that going through some of this stuff. I mentioned how i wondered if some people may not have felt sympathy, i didn't say I felt that way, I was just wondering, I don't know. I do know there are people out there who i wouldn't mourn if they died, people i've met, who did nothing but hurt people, how do you feel bad for them? I even have former friends who i don't even know how to feel about and don't know how i'll feel when they die, won't know til it gets here. Prince hurt peoples careers at different times, think about that. To hurt someone's ability to make an honest dollar is in my mind one of the more heinous things a person can do. You stop people's ability to feed themselves and their family, that's just mean to me. I've had "friends" who have done that to me it fucks up your ability to trust but it also leaves you conflicted on how to feel about their misfortunes. Then, i've had people who i could care less if they drop dead. I can't see Prince, having to make all kinds of tough and not so tough choices to be who he was and to do what he wanted to do, didn't do it without fucking people sometimes, ya know, what the military might call "collateral damage" but it ain't just collateral damage to the people it effects, it's their whole world.

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

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purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said: It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

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PRH: I Totally and Passionately disagree with your summation and opinions re prizefight...you don't know what you don't know and your rigidity is disappointing. I personally had numerous and all manner of comunications with prizefight and am grateful that they were the FIRST to call it like it is: PRINCE DIED OF NEGLECT. Deal with it.

Who knows if they do "love" Prince. some of the people on this thread don't talk about anything other than his death and how he wronged Mayte. Obsessed with the topic of Prince is not the same thing as having some affection for the musician and the man.

PeteSilas said:

i don't think i particularly remember Prizefight but I do know that we've all had different factions then and now about what happened. I try not to dismiss or disrespect peoples opinions as long as I feel it's coming from a decent place (they loved the man like I do).

precioux said:

the ones on here at the time of prizefight all know you were one of the ones trying to run pf off of here, with your reporting him to luv4u every other post. Like ISLIJAG said before, prizefight was very strong and outspoken and proceeded to just walk away because everyone here basically refused to believe Prince had an ongoing problem and would rather keep their head up their ass. Pf even said "I'm walking away because obviously they're not ready for the truth" FACT

kudos to you, but not everyone feels that way. as i said, i don't know how i'd feel if some of the folks i knew, and no, i didn't get fired i just didn't want to work for these "friends" anymore and they turned on me. I can't think of anyone lower really. And just because you feel a certain way, I don't think you can say how someone else should feel, that's just invalidating what they do feel. The germans have the best word in the english language for this phenomenon, shaudenfreude. anyway, i' was just wondering, because people do hate to the degree where they wouldn't care, i know that.

purplerabbithole said:

I understand conflicting feelings about people who hurt your livelihood. But ultimately they are responsible for their own careers, not Prince. Prince is not the head of Warner Brothers. Anyone who thought Prince was their ticket to life-long stardom has got their head on backwards. If Jill Jones can forgive, then certainly most people can. I have been fired and I was a single mother..and it hurt my reputation and my resume and I was angry. But I didn't wish the woman who fired me would just up and die. She just didn't think I was good at the job. I got another job. There are other jobs out there than singer, pop star or musician.

PeteSilas said:

we have a lot of bright people here, always did, i have to say that going through some of this stuff. I mentioned how i wondered if some people may not have felt sympathy, i didn't say I felt that way, I was just wondering, I don't know. I do know there are people out there who i wouldn't mourn if they died, people i've met, who did nothing but hurt people, how do you feel bad for them? I even have former friends who i don't even know how to feel about and don't know how i'll feel when they die, won't know til it gets here. Prince hurt peoples careers at different times, think about that. To hurt someone's ability to make an honest dollar is in my mind one of the more heinous things a person can do. You stop people's ability to feed themselves and their family, that's just mean to me. I've had "friends" who have done that to me it fucks up your ability to trust but it also leaves you conflicted on how to feel about their misfortunes. Then, i've had people who i could care less if they drop dead. I can't see Prince, having to make all kinds of tough and not so tough choices to be who he was and to do what he wanted to do, didn't do it without fucking people sometimes, ya know, what the military might call "collateral damage" but it ain't just collateral damage to the people it effects, it's their whole world.

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precioux said:

the ones on here at the time of prizefight all know you were one of the ones trying to run pf off of here, with your reporting him to luv4u every other post. Like ISLIJAG said before, prizefight was very strong and outspoken and proceeded to just walk away because everyone here basically refused to believe Prince had an ongoing problem and would rather keep their head up their ass. Pf even said "I'm walking away because obviously they're not ready for the truth" FACT

Mumio said:

There's certain ones who've always pushed the prizefight agenda and it's pretty much the same group. I guess someone jumping on here for a few weeks and then disappearing is completely credible!

I've said this before and I'll repeat it since you may have missed it the first time: I have ALL of the orgnotes between myself and prizefight and this person made it crystal clear to me that others here on the org were causing problems for her and driving her away. Any issues I may have had with her were resolved in discussion privately with her and amicably...and better yet, I can prove it. So please stop with this baloney.

Oh, and let me point out: prizefight was VERY clear to me that she was a woman. So I don't know where you get the "him" from.

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I also had interaction with Prizedfight and was actively involved with the thread at the time. Unless you have further information about this particular insider's interaction with Prince and his people that the rest of the posters on that original thread didn't know then, how can you state with any certainty what this one person knows or doesn't know. Did that person tell you about his running around naked or his messed up hands or his enemas etc. Did they hang out with all of his associates asking them what they felt about Prince personally. THEY DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING. None of us do. Prince did die of neglect probably, but that neglect was complicated and partly unfortunately his own doing. If you wall yourself up in a fortified fortress eating poison, its hard for people to help you. By the way, my complicated thoughts about Prince and his associates are not rigid. The way I see it, yours are. You have casted him as a modern day Richard III surrounded by people who wanted him dead or didn't care if he lived or died. A completely humorous dark twisted life devoid of any real feeling or fun or bonding. Prince had his issues and his walls and his compartmentalizing secrets but it wasn't all bleak. Your theory would have hundreds of associates just fabricating lies about the better aspects of his nature. Yes, they tiptoed around the drug problem and still do, but its a heartless account. My issue with Prizedfight is that at one point, she painted a rather one-dimensional picture and speculated that maybe someone deliberately gave him a bad pill maybe possibly because her interactions with Prince were negative or revolving around a drug issue but one piece of the puzzle isnt the whole thing.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Stop with thinking that Prizedfight is some ultimate authority on all things Prince. It is easy to believe people don't care about drug addicts...because addiction is hard to battle and can only be fixed by the addicted ultimately (unless enablers just keep them doped up). Anyhow I want to point out a few things about Prizedfight. He or she said said they were out of the loop by 2012. They said they knew of Prince's problem or about Prince through the doctor who treated him. Presumably,he was a difficult patient but Prizedfight also stated that they thought that P was probably doing okay from 2010-2012 after the surgery which is contradicted by his one manager. This person had solid info on P's medical issues in 2010, but that does not make Prizedfight an authority on P's relationships, treatment of specific people who confronted him or even how they felt in their hearts about his problems. The rest of Prizedfight's theories are based on info and generalizations anyone of us could have read about Prince from several years of books about the man. All I am saying is that any people who wanted Prince dead or were completely without sympathy over his drug addiction are some hard-hearted assholes and deserve to be treated poorly. His associates may have felt powerless to help him but that doesn't mean they didn't feel bad about his problems. His associates have their flaws and their self-interest and their greed, but being imperfect and insensitive about how they handle his legacy and his death doesnt' mean they secretly wished him harm. NO matter how much of a womanizer, manipulator, shady business man he might have been at times, he didn't deserve to die or waste away. And anyone who believes that is fucked in the head. There are very few people I would wish dead (dictators, rapists, pedophiles, murderers) ... Anyone who would be happy about a dead rock star who did none of those things I just mentioned is a psycho. Prizedfight is not some inner circle knower of all things because he or she knew one of his doctors and can read a few bios on Prince.

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PRH: I Totally and Passionately disagree with your summation and opinions re prizefight...you don't know what you don't know and your rigidity is disappointing. I personally had numerous and all manner of comunications with prizefight and am grateful that they were the FIRST to call it like it is: PRINCE DIED OF NEGLECT. Deal with it.

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PeteSilas said:

ya, anyone who's ever had a relative drag them through hell with their addiction would know it isn't just about caring, caring is the worst thing you can do for your own health sometimes. These days I cut people off in a heartbeat if I see those issues with a "i'll pray for them" to whoever will listen.

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said: No one said he deserved to die we're saying that people get tired after awhile over people's bull shit and start to careless about that person's predicament.especially dealing with a person whi has an addiction

Thank you for your last two posts, Pete...very important that none of us forget that dealing with an addict whose BRAIN HAS BEEN REWIRED by drugs is the most exhausting and frustrating thing in the world. Addicts are THE master manipulaters, secret-keepers, and experts in deception, control and rationalization. They are focused on their next hit and damn anyone who gets in their way. Hard to read? Tough. It's the truth.

purplerabbithole said:

Who knows if they do "love" Prince. some of the people on this thread don't talk about anything other than his death and how he wronged Mayte. Obsessed with the topic of Prince is not the same thing as having some affection for the musician and the man.

PeteSilas said:

i don't think i particularly remember Prizefight but I do know that we've all had different factions then and now about what happened. I try not to dismiss or disrespect peoples opinions as long as I feel it's coming from a decent place (they loved the man like I do).

for what it's worth i'm still just as brokenhearted as april 21 2016 but i know there are all kinds of feelings out there. All kinds, many indifferent, many sad, many shocked and dissapointed and I'm sure some people might have unfortunately not felt any mourning for the man. Anyway, since i kinda brought it up, it wasn't a big deal, I don't feel that way, i don't think it's important enough to discuss this much. We care, that's what matters.

Hahahahahaha! Looks like there's plenty of people who were interacting with prizefight privately via orgnotes. There's more who haven't even spoken here either