PennyPurple said:

IMO Prince started taking pain pills for pain. He didn't take them to get 'high'. He got addicted to them because they are highly addictive and even the people who take them as prescribed get addicted to them, they build up a tolerence to where the pills don't work anymore and then the Dr's up the dose to help the pain. Blame big Pharma, when Oxycontin first came out, it was touted to us a wonder drug, and it was, until it wasn't.

We all know Prince didn't do well with Dr.'s and with the crack down of giving opioids the people who were going to Dr.s to get them for him, probably couldn't get them anymore. He could've have gotten those pills any where he went and probably did, and didn't have a problem with them. until he couldn't obtain them anymore and had to resort to other measures, they could've come from Atlanta, China, anywhere, they were made to look like the real thing. The people who make them don't have degree's and they just dump anything in them. He got a bad batch. My guess is that's what happened on the plane, and he didn't quite understand what happened, because they looked exactly like what he was taking.

My guess is also his stomach issues had to do with the constipation that these drugs cause, that's why all the enema's. The pain Dr. told my hubby that he was probably having constipation problems and when my hubby admitted he was (you know men they don't like to admit these things) The Dr. immediatly gave my husband a script that was in shot form, that I had to give him.

Prince was basically a clean living person. He knew his body but this time, he couldn't quite figure out what was happening. That's probably why he was looking at different waters to help cleanse his body. IF he was under a Drs care or confided in a Dr, it could have been explained to him and he could then make the decision on what he wanted to do.

Big Pharma threw us into this opioid crisis by lying, they knew how addicting these pill were and they flat out didn't care. It has really hurt the people who really need the pain meds for their chronic pain. It is almost impossible to get them now, unless you are on your deathbed. That's really a shame because lot's of people are suffering really bad.

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Very true, Penny. I'm sorry about your husband. I can't imagine how frustrating this is on both of you!

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I think Prince assumed those pills were legit Vicodin. He blamed the 2 Narcan shots for his symptoms, because he honestly didn't understand what was going on, nor did he even know what he was ingesting.

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From reading the reports, the pills that were found all had different ingredients in them, and some of them did not even contain Fentanyl at all.

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The bottom line is, there is someone out there who knows they gave those bad pills to Prince.

PennyPurple said:

I don't think it's suicide.

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Me either. None of the evidence suggests suicide. Prince needed something strong to help with his pain, but he was not trying to kill himself.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I see, okay.

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Another thing I find extremely odd is the medical examiner noted that Prince's clothing was on backwards. Now, from the pictures/video at the scene, his clothing appeared normal, imo.

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And the Fire Chief who pulled Prince out of the elevator noted that Prince felt warm to the touch, but wasn't sure if that was becuase it was so warm in PP (75 degrees).

No, you can clearly see his socks are inside out and his pants are backwards.

What strikes me as stranger is the fact that Andrew said Prince was laying on his left side, like he had layed down to sleep, and the fireman who Kirk accompanied to the elevator, said that Kirk opened the elevator door and Prince was laying on his back, with arms outstretched.

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They were? I haven't had the desire to look at those pictures again.

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The way Prince was found is very confusing. In the reports, the Chief stated that "Prince was laying on his back, face against the back of the elevator, and arms were laying at his side".

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I thought it was very distubing how Andrew described the scene when they found Prince. He said that Kirk saw Prince first, then he heard talking, then he went to get Andrew, and I think that is when the Fire Chief arrived and they attempted CPR.

MMJas said:

udo said:

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Where was this?!

You meant either Montreal or in the other case Montreux.

Writing some name resembling either one does not work.

It may show you cannot point these locations out on a map.

Or it can show I'm not a native speaker. I actually thought that's how you spell it in English. Good morning to you too.

[Edited 5/4/18 3:55am]

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The Montreux Jazz Fest, 2013:

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http://www.nicovideo.jp/w...sm30351352

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

No, I am not referring to a medical condition. It is simply my frustration at these people not coming clean (apparently) with what they know.

I am so frustrated at these associates I can't see straight. On top of that frustration it seems like we can't discuss the things these associates have done, here on the Org. Every thread about the associates is getting locked.

I'm done with these associates and how they try to cover things up and then ride the purple money train. I think if we as Prince fans refuse to support them any longer, maybe they will stop riding that train and move on, with out living off of Prince. We need to band together to get this done.

If the mods have their favorite associates, they don't want us talking about them anymore and instead of being unbiased they are locking the threads.

These associates know what they've done, and they have to live with that the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares about it. Chances are they just don't give a shit though.

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Prince's associates are more concerned with how much money they are going to make auctioning-off his personal belongings, and how much money they will rake-in when they publish their books, and how much money they will acquire from selling Prince's merchandise, and how much they will cash-in at all of the Prince tribute concerts...........they put more effort and energy into all that bullshit then trying to find out what happened to Prince in his final days and who da fuq gave him those pills that killed him!!

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They're all disgusting people and they should be ashamed!! Prince did not deserve this!!

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The Man did so much for those people, and this is how they repay him??!!

fortuneandserendipity said:

MMJas said:

I also believe he was an experienced opioid taker. Have you watched Prince at Montreaux in 2013, i think? As soon as I saw his eyes I knew.
I believe that many years of that took its toll, especially from 2014 onwards, with him wearing loose clothing in order to (it now seems) disguise wearing wrist and hip braces, going natural hair wise, obsessing over destiled water and pineal gland detox and overall body cleansing, the physical changes that seemed to have occured, as in constipation (issues since 2015), the frailty, stomach and mouth issues, seeing holistic doctors, etc.

Obsessing over distilled water seems odd. First, it's devoid of essential minerals. Second, spring water minimally processed and contained in glass provide the best medium. I should know. I'm a doctor. And as for pineal gland detox, Prince must have been tripping. Ya just don't detox the 'pineal gland'. That's not how detoxes work. The pineal gland is responsible for melatonin production. Not much else. So if you want to help the pineal gland - and your sleep - you might want to ditch the meds. SSRIs, for instance, are definitely an issue as they inhibit the body's natural serotonin, as well as melatonin production. (Many psychotropic/psychoactive substances inhibit sleep). On the flip side, lithium is important - for everyone, something Prince probably wouldn't have known. Best to obtain it through 'healthy' food, actually, as supplementing can be an issue. The jury's still out on lithium orotate, and that's the safest form. Trust me on this. I am........ well you know what I'm gonna say next.

Overall, body cleansing is good and it's a shame that most doctors are ignorant on the subject. Trust me.

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I don't know who was feeding Prince this crap of information on distilled water and supplements for his pineal gland, but supposedly Kirky is a health & fitness guru!!

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[Edited 5/4/18 12:05pm]

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I am so frustrated at these associates I can't see straight. On top of that frustration it seems like we can't discuss the things these associates have done, here on the Org. Every thread about the associates is getting locked.

I'm done with these associates and how they try to cover things up and then ride the purple money train. I think if we as Prince fans refuse to support them any longer, maybe they will stop riding that train and move on, with out living off of Prince. We need to band together to get this done.

If the mods have their favorite associates, they don't want us talking about them anymore and instead of being unbiased they are locking the threads.

These associates know what they've done, and they have to live with that the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares about it. Chances are they just don't give a shit though.

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Prince's associates are more concerned with how much money they are going to make auctioning-off his personal belongings, and how much money they will rake-in when they publish their books, and how much money they will acquire from selling Prince's merchandise, and how much they will cash-in at all of the Prince tribute concerts...........they put more effort and energy into all that bullshit then trying to find out what happened to Prince in his final days and who da fuq gave him those pills that killed him!!

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They're all disgusting people and they should be ashamed!! Prince did not deserve this!!

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The Man did so much for those people, and this is how they repay him??!!

Co-sign.

Especially considering how private he was.

And now the whole world can see the most intimate, most personal details about him.

I hope and wish that one day the truth will be revealed.

I understand that bills need to be paid to keep Paisley Park open and alive but there are many folks these days who are pursuing their own interests rather than what Prince would have wished them to do.

fortuneandserendipity said:

MMJas said:

I also believe he was an experienced opioid taker. Have you watched Prince at Montreaux in 2013, i think? As soon as I saw his eyes I knew.
I believe that many years of that took its toll, especially from 2014 onwards, with him wearing loose clothing in order to (it now seems) disguise wearing wrist and hip braces, going natural hair wise, obsessing over destiled water and pineal gland detox and overall body cleansing, the physical changes that seemed to have occured, as in constipation (issues since 2015), the frailty, stomach and mouth issues, seeing holistic doctors, etc.

Obsessing over distilled water seems odd. First, it's devoid of essential minerals. Second, spring water minimally processed and contained in glass provide the best medium. I should know. I'm a doctor. And as for pineal gland detox, Prince must have been tripping. Ya just don't detox the 'pineal gland'. That's not how detoxes work. The pineal gland is responsible for melatonin production. Not much else. So if you want to help the pineal gland - and your sleep - you might want to ditch the meds. SSRIs, for instance, are definitely an issue as they inhibit the body's natural serotonin, as well as melatonin production. (Many psychotropic/psychoactive substances inhibit sleep). On the flip side, lithium is important - for everyone, something Prince probably wouldn't have known. Best to obtain it through 'healthy' food, actually, as supplementing can be an issue. The jury's still out on lithium orotate, and that's the safest form. Trust me on this. I am........ well you know what I'm gonna say next.

Overall, body cleansing is good and it's a shame that most doctors are ignorant on the subject. Trust me.

Well, over here it is not even common to drink distilled water, I personally use it for ironing clothes,

The whole pineal gland detox is a thing amongst holistic healers, so it comes as no surprise that Prince was reading on that also, since he was about to see a holistic doctor.

[Edited 5/4/18 12:21pm]

cloveringold85 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince's associates are more concerned with how much money they are going to make auctioning-off his personal belongings, and how much money they will rake-in when they publish their books, and how much money they will acquire from selling Prince's merchandise, and how much they will cash-in at all of the Prince tribute concerts...........they put more effort and energy into all that bullshit then trying to find out what happened to Prince in his final days and who da fuq gave him those pills that killed him!!

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They're all disgusting people and they should be ashamed!! Prince did not deserve this!!

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The Man did so much for those people, and this is how they repay him??!!

On the flip side prince has had a history of not treating his associates, girlfriends, ex wives the best, they probably got tired of his drug addiction and his treatment towards them to the point that they don't really pitty him or sympathize with his situation. From what i gathered, it seems that mani was tired of the drug addiction during their marriage and said addios! It seems very harsh but I've personally seen people get tired of other's towards the point of not caring about their situation [Edited 5/4/18 12:22pm]

i know what you're saying, i didn't want to say something like that but it's something that should be conjectured. His later years, he didn't sound like the same guy but I wondered if people actually took a sick joy in his demise, all the people he wronged 30+ years ago. I was pleasantly surprised by how much they mourned along with the rest of us, all the morris days', the alexander o'neals, the wendy and lisa's. Death makes all those things kinda petty. I had an older friend, wise man, full of old tribal knowledge of our ways but with a nasty mouth, bad habits of getting emotionally involved with street prostitutes I coudln't take but so much. when i found out he died, i mourned and felt terribly for ending our friendship.

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince's associates are more concerned with how much money they are going to make auctioning-off his personal belongings, and how much money they will rake-in when they publish their books, and how much money they will acquire from selling Prince's merchandise, and how much they will cash-in at all of the Prince tribute concerts...........they put more effort and energy into all that bullshit then trying to find out what happened to Prince in his final days and who da fuq gave him those pills that killed him!!

.

They're all disgusting people and they should be ashamed!! Prince did not deserve this!!

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The Man did so much for those people, and this is how they repay him??!!

On the flip side prince has had a history of not treating his associates, girlfriends, ex wives the best, they probably got tired of his drug addiction and his treatment towards them to the point that they don't really pitty him or sympathize with his situation. From what i gathered, it seems that mani was tired of the drug addiction during their marriage and said addios! It seems very harsh but I've personally seen people get tired of other's towards the point of not caring about their situation [Edited 5/4/18 12:22pm]

But yet they cover up what they know, and tell others to keep quiet about it.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

No, I am not referring to a medical condition. It is simply my frustration at these people not coming clean (apparently) with what they know.

I am so frustrated at these associates I can't see straight. On top of that frustration it seems like we can't discuss the things these associates have done, here on the Org. Every thread about the associates is getting locked.

I'm done with these associates and how they try to cover things up and then ride the purple money train. I think if we as Prince fans refuse to support them any longer, maybe they will stop riding that train and move on, with out living off of Prince. We need to band together to get this done.

If the mods have their favorite associates, they don't want us talking about them anymore and instead of being unbiased they are locking the threads.

These associates know what they've done, and they have to live with that the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares about it. Chances are they just don't give a shit though.

co-sign, Penny!

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Meron asked the police to go back to her hotel room for a reason. She was taken there by the police.

She then refused to answer her phone or door when she did not return to the cruiser.

What was she doing in her room?

Was she afraid the police were going to search her room?

Things that make ya go hmmmm.

precioux said:

I’m with ya..after getting through some of the interviews/transcripts. Not to mention she had enough cash on her to validate a 300 pill “drug run”

[Edited 5/4/18 7:50am]

Thank you!!!

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why does everyone look to Kirk to blame and not look at Meron or Phaedra?

Is it because they are women and you assume only a man would be the source of the illegal fentanyl?

Remember Kirk willingly gave a statement to the police until the Detective was interrupted during Kirk's interview.

Meron fled back to her hotel room and never gave a statement other than to state she felt she couldnt because of the NDA and then immediately hired counsel.

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I place blame on all of them, not just Kirk. From reading the investigation reports, they were all doing something shady. Why would someone be using a private text app if they have nothing to hide?

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Kirk calls the kitchen and Prince's bedroom at 8AM? He knows Prince is not up at that hour!

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If Prince was in a bad way, why did Kirk, Phaedra and Meron leave him all alone??!! Anyone with common sense in their heads would never do that!!

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Also, Gaither (P's bodyguard) stated that Prince never used the elevator....he always took the stairs!!

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Why did Meron have over 3K in cash in her purse?

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Why was Phaedra hacking computers?

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Why would Vans and Phaedra set up charities that they know did not have the proper clearances?

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Who's getting Prince's royalties??

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It just goes on and on and on........all these people are shady!!

agree, clover.....

2 questions:

1. Kirk's "transcript" states he dropped Prince off and left PP @ 8pm. I thought he & Meron did not leave until 10-10:30pm?

2. I am reading through pages and pages of "transcripts" of the interviews, where are the actual audio of interviews of Kirk, Tyka, Meron, Phaedra?(I've already found Mariah, Theo, Deborah audio)

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Obsessing over distilled water seems odd. First, it's devoid of essential minerals. Second, spring water minimally processed and contained in glass provide the best medium. I should know. I'm a doctor. And as for pineal gland detox, Prince must have been tripping. Ya just don't detox the 'pineal gland'. That's not how detoxes work. The pineal gland is responsible for melatonin production. Not much else. So if you want to help the pineal gland - and your sleep - you might want to ditch the meds. SSRIs, for instance, are definitely an issue as they inhibit the body's natural serotonin, as well as melatonin production. (Many psychotropic/psychoactive substances inhibit sleep). On the flip side, lithium is important - for everyone, something Prince probably wouldn't have known. Best to obtain it through 'healthy' food, actually, as supplementing can be an issue. The jury's still out on lithium orotate, and that's the safest form. Trust me on this. I am........ well you know what I'm gonna say next.

Overall, body cleansing is good and it's a shame that most doctors are ignorant on the subject. Trust me.

.

I don't know who was feeding Prince this crap of information on distilled water and supplements for his pineal gland, but supposedly Kirky is a health & fitness guru!!

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[Edited 5/4/18 12:05pm]

more than likely, this info was coming from his Chiroprator....these sorts think in the way of holistic lines and even sometimes venture into the "fluroride in the water" conspiracy theories

MMJas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Obsessing over distilled water seems odd. First, it's devoid of essential minerals. Second, spring water minimally processed and contained in glass provide the best medium. I should know. I'm a doctor. And as for pineal gland detox, Prince must have been tripping. Ya just don't detox the 'pineal gland'. That's not how detoxes work. The pineal gland is responsible for melatonin production. Not much else. So if you want to help the pineal gland - and your sleep - you might want to ditch the meds. SSRIs, for instance, are definitely an issue as they inhibit the body's natural serotonin, as well as melatonin production. (Many psychotropic/psychoactive substances inhibit sleep). On the flip side, lithium is important - for everyone, something Prince probably wouldn't have known. Best to obtain it through 'healthy' food, actually, as supplementing can be an issue. The jury's still out on lithium orotate, and that's the safest form. Trust me on this. I am........ well you know what I'm gonna say next.

Overall, body cleansing is good and it's a shame that most doctors are ignorant on the subject. Trust me.

Well, over here it is not even common to drink distilled water, I personally use it for ironing clothes,

The whole pineal gland detox is a thing amongst holistic healers, so it comes as no surprise that Prince was reading on that also, since he was about to see a holistic doctor.

[Edited 5/4/18 12:21pm]

Thank you. Didn't realize you posted this before I responded to clover. My thought is the chiropractor/holistic doctor were one in the same.

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince's associates are more concerned with how much money they are going to make auctioning-off his personal belongings, and how much money they will rake-in when they publish their books, and how much money they will acquire from selling Prince's merchandise, and how much they will cash-in at all of the Prince tribute concerts...........they put more effort and energy into all that bullshit then trying to find out what happened to Prince in his final days and who da fuq gave him those pills that killed him!!

.

They're all disgusting people and they should be ashamed!! Prince did not deserve this!!

.

The Man did so much for those people, and this is how they repay him??!!

On the flip side prince has had a history of not treating his associates, girlfriends, ex wives the best, they probably got tired of his drug addiction and his treatment towards them to the point that they don't really pitty him or sympathize with his situation. From what i gathered, it seems that mani was tired of the drug addiction during their marriage and said addios! It seems very harsh but I've personally seen people get tired of other's towards the point of not caring about their situation [Edited 5/4/18 12:22pm]

prizefight...is that you???

JJ strawberryova123

What did Sheila E say in the text to Kirky early in the a.m. on 21st ... I think it was like 2:30 a.m.

Another thing I found very interesting was the Hannah and Josh Welton transcripts. H&J were very tight with P and went as far as to say that he called them his "children". Even said they were closer to him that "his own blood relatives". Speaking of....H&J stated they had maybe seen Tyka twice in the four years they were with Prince....until " a few months" before Prince's passing. They also were wondering out loud who had access to PP, if anyone had done him in (not tht they could think of), as well as being curious if (since they were so close to Prince)if they could please be notified if the detectives found out that someone had killed him or reason for his death to which the detective replied.. "once the investigation is closed it will all be public".... H&J asked "public?" and the detective reiterated "yes, public".

precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said:

prizefight...is that you???

JJ strawberryova123

It's hard to admit it but its the vibe that I'm getting from his associates, they don't really sympathize over his drug addiction it seems

totally agree, and why I respected prizefight for keepin it real.

precioux said:

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I place blame on all of them, not just Kirk. From reading the investigation reports, they were all doing something shady. Why would someone be using a private text app if they have nothing to hide?

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Kirk calls the kitchen and Prince's bedroom at 8AM? He knows Prince is not up at that hour!

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If Prince was in a bad way, why did Kirk, Phaedra and Meron leave him all alone??!! Anyone with common sense in their heads would never do that!!

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Also, Gaither (P's bodyguard) stated that Prince never used the elevator....he always took the stairs!!

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Why did Meron have over 3K in cash in her purse?

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Why was Phaedra hacking computers?

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Why would Vans and Phaedra set up charities that they know did not have the proper clearances?

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Who's getting Prince's royalties??

.

It just goes on and on and on........all these people are shady!!

agree, clover.....

2 questions:

1. Kirk's "transcript" states he dropped Prince off and left PP @ 8pm. I thought he & Meron did not leave until 10-10:30pm?

2. I am reading through pages and pages of "transcripts" of the interviews, where are the actual audio of interviews of Kirk, Tyka, Meron, Phaedra?(I've already found Mariah, Theo, Deborah audio)

Phaedra was never interviewed.

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why does everyone look to Kirk to blame and not look at Meron or Phaedra?

Is it because they are women and you assume only a man would be the source of the illegal fentanyl?

Remember Kirk willingly gave a statement to the police until the Detective was interrupted during Kirk's interview.

Meron fled back to her hotel room and never gave a statement other than to state she felt she couldnt because of the NDA and then immediately hired counsel.

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I place blame on all of them, not just Kirk. From reading the investigation reports, they were all doing something shady. Why would someone be using a private text app if they have nothing to hide?

.

Kirk calls the kitchen and Prince's bedroom at 8AM? He knows Prince is not up at that hour!

.

If Prince was in a bad way, why did Kirk, Phaedra and Meron leave him all alone??!! Anyone with common sense in their heads would never do that!!

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Also, Gaither (P's bodyguard) stated that Prince never used the elevator....he always took the stairs!!

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Why did Meron have over 3K in cash in her purse?

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Why was Phaedra hacking computers?

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Why would Vans and Phaedra set up charities that they know did not have the proper clearances?

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Who's getting Prince's royalties??

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It just goes on and on and on........all these people are shady!!

Absolutely! And there's at least a few others I'd add in there too!

PennyPurple said:

But yet they cover up what they know, and tell others to keep quiet about it.

And continue coming to Prince fans to put coins in their pockets.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

But yet they cover up what they know, and tell others to keep quiet about it.

And continue coming to Prince fans to put coins in their pockets.

That's why we need to stop supporting them. I know I have.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

But yet they cover up what they know, and tell others to keep quiet about it.

And continue coming to Prince fans to put coins in their pockets.

That's on those still giving them their coins. Check my signature. I mean that shit!