ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Mani cares about $$$$. If he was using narcotics back in 2004, maybe that is the reason for their divorce and her large settlement? She and Omarr are working together and he probably gave her a heads up before it broke on the news and she was able to get there fast. However she did call P out on her 2010 FB post re ending up like Charlie Sheen so maybe she did care somewhat. her and Apple with their cryptic messages again...SMH

I'm just not following at all. Who's the "we" reaching these conclusions?

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Where are you finding this information about the exact amount of hydrocodone in his urine from the autopsy? The only info I recall seeing from the autopsy had to do with amount of fentanyl in the stomach, liver and blood, since the full autopsy isn't public.

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How would you know about the ME's reaction ("suprised") about his autopsy urinanalysis?

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Again, this seems like a wildly complicated way of trying to prove what the ME and attorney said (that fenanyl was accidentally ingested from mislabeled counterfeit pills, the composition of which Prince didn't know). Or are you trying to prove something else?

Menes said:

disch said:

What are you trying to calculate (what will this show us, do you think)? Are you trying to figure out how many hydrocodone pills it would take to trigger a severe OD like on the plane? It would be a lot. As for what was found in Moline: You mean pill-wise? His urine or blood wasn't tested.

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It should show a pattern of type/amounts used/choice. This a bit long so forgive me.

Ng/ml for Hyrdrocodone levels in urine @ autopsy indicates that this mode of transmission/ desired effect is negligible comparatively speaking. The numbers were given to me as I didn't have time to read thru the reports of what I already understood .I don't want to get into an argumentum ad ignorantiam with anyone on here who believes that he was not a long term addict, who was addicted to opiates and headed towards destruction). I am merely addressing the elephant in the room. Which is: Prince didn't know he was taking fentanyl. If anything is off, meh.

With so many pills of hydrocodone found @ PP ,there must have been an initial and prejudicial summary that proclaimed Hydrocodone as the catalyst for death. I think the ME was surprised that the sample in the urine came back with such a skewed number.

Now, to reproduce said effect( in Moline) he would had to have ingested roughly 10 times that amount(90mgs). That is roughly 18 pills per 5mg dosage. Though feasible, nobody eats these things as if they were skittles. But let's assume that he did, you should see roughly the same amount per the autopsy for someone with a long term addiction, as addicts continually "chase" that same high, mode of delivery and amounts per fluctuating levels of dopamine. This is not the case.

In my opinion the drug of choice to produce said effect( as in Moline) ,has never been hydrocodone, or any other opiate not listed in the reports. It appears that opiates such as hydrocodone were substitutes in the event of "x" not being available, or, combined in addition with"x". This is what you are seeing in the report. We could consider this the "back up stash "if you will. How did we reach such a conclusion?

We can narrow down what types of opiates were found, (and which opiate Prince died from). We can mathematically deduce the probabilities of long term usage for a given opiate. Example: If you believe he was using hydrocodone for a long time ,or, that large amounts were used in Moline, then you should see a marked increase in that number as this would indicate a pattern . That number does not exist even for calculations over a 48-72 hour period.

Now, The number indicated for fentanyl , by all informal logic , is assumed as "accidental" because "x' amount was in his system. Which would by all measure mean that he was not familiar with its desired effect.

Well well well... In essence the argument is that though he was familiar with the desired affect of hydrocodone,( he had so many and had to have taken them before) he just opted to not take enough to produce said effect , but rather, accidentally take something with fenatnyl in it to produce ??????????????????? Yes, yes, this time around he was numbing extreme physical pain and could not take the hydrocodone? Is that it? Ummm, no. Why is he taking something else? What is this something and how is he familiar and trusting with this something?

We are going to have to pick an opiate and quantify it with math, science and his experience.

The absence of proof is not proof of absence.

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Krystalkisses said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I agree. M2 wants you to believe she really cared for him, and its working.

In addition she didnt tell the Detective P was taking opiates, she said "narcotics"

M2 needs to stay in her lane with Eric.

I do think Manuela cared about Prince. Actually, I found it very interesting (from what people said was in the report) that Prince actually still was in contact with Manuela and the fact that she mentioned to LG she had concerns about Princes painkiller usage during their marriage and LG acted like she was overreacting or something. The fact that he still talked to her may have shown he trusted her. We actually don't know if she did or didn't try to help him. Despite everything that happenend with them in the past it seemed like he still valued their friendship.

I don't think it's true that M2 and P still had contact with each other. P tore down her house and had her banned from a party.

precioux said:

Another couple of points I’ve thought of: 1. When the detectives went back to PP in May, they found another 200 illicit pills. Why, if Meron and Kirk were involved, would they not have disposed of these given the chance?

Involved how? I don't think Meron was involved in getting pills directly... if anything, maybe it was to bring him packages that were delivered to the hotel where she stayed?

I have no doubt that Kirk probably helped him get meds on ocasion, too, but I would imagine those were via doctors and not off the street (otherwise he wouldn't be talking to Dr S about getting percocet for Prince). In Moline, Kirk seemed to have NO idea about the pills that were "something else" in Prince's black bag.

So I don't think Kirk had any idea of the pills stashed all over the private side of PP in Bayer, Aleve, jewlery box, and vitamin bottles, etc...

2. If they didn’t dispose of the pills, whose to say they (KJ, Meron or Phaedra) disposed of the emails prior to 4/19?

It's known the laptop was accessed on 4/23/16 at PP on the same date as the memorial. One would assume only a few people had access to that laptop.

The reality is that we don't know WHY those emails were deleted. It may have been done for a reason OTHER than drug related, even. Meron seemed terrified to talk about Prince at all during the first interview becaue of NDAs. It's hard telling what they felt should be covered up for Prince.

3. Regardless of whether they had the laptop or not, Phaedra was known for “hacking computers” (it was her way of “vetting” those around Prince). That said, she had access to his email remotely (KJ had the password) and it was possible to wipe the emails in this manner. Just thinking out loud... [Edited 4/26/18 15:15pm]

I know that was said, but her nor anyone else's ability to "hack" was never quantified. Some people think being able to use google to find info on someone is hacking...

Krystalkisses said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I agree. M2 wants you to believe she really cared for him, and its working.

In addition she didnt tell the Detective P was taking opiates, she said "narcotics"

M2 needs to stay in her lane with Eric.

I do think Manuela cared about Prince. Actually, I found it very interesting (from what people said was in the report) that Prince actually still was in contact with Manuela and the fact that she mentioned to LG she had concerns about Princes painkiller usage during their marriage and LG acted like she was overreacting or something. The fact that he still talked to her may have shown he trusted her. We actually don't know if she did or didn't try to help him. Despite everything that happenend with them in the past it seemed like he still valued their friendship.

She was NOT in contact with him.

She lied.

The only thing she cared about was her "story.'

M2 changed her story for the Rolling Stones article when she was attempting to rehabiliate her image due to the divorce file being unsealed and said she "reached out to him" but did not personally talk to him

disch said:

I'm just not following at all. Who's the "we" reaching these conclusions?

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Again, this seems like a wildly complicated way of trying to prove what the ME and attorney said (that fenanyl was accidentally ingested from mislabeled counterfeit pills, the composition of which Prince didn't know). Or are you trying to prove something else?

Yeah, out of all the gray areas that one could speculate about; The statements that Prince was taking mislabeled, counterfeit pills AND that he didn't know they contained Fentanyl don't really seem questionable at all to me based on the facts available.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Agree. Prince had her and Eric banned from many industry parties for years and she did change her initial story to a cleaned up RS article. She keeps floating that they had been in contact but I don’t believe her.

jtfolden said:

disch said:

I'm just not following at all. Who's the "we" reaching these conclusions?

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Again, this seems like a wildly complicated way of trying to prove what the ME and attorney said (that fenanyl was accidentally ingested from mislabeled counterfeit pills, the composition of which Prince didn't know). Or are you trying to prove something else?

Yeah, out of all the gray areas that one could speculate about; The statements that Prince was taking mislabeled, counterfeit pills AND that he didn't know they contained Fentanyl don't really seem questionable at all to me based on the facts available.

either way, i don't see how any of you really get past the idea that prince musta not gave a fuck whether he lived or died. I get the addiction angle, i do, but i would think he'd have at least gotten rid of everything he had if not just gotten a safer source, didn't he have prescriptions? I think he was just trying to get alone so he could die in peace, or at least it's possible.

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cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Debra DID NOT say one song was worth $30 Million.

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Yes, and I corrected my previous comment.

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince actually did take part in the song 'Like A Prayer'(though he remained uncredited) along with 3 other songs from the same album.

really? are you sure? there was the rumour he did guitar work on Like a prayer and of course the forgettable "love song" was his but i never heard he did anything else. at any rate I love the album and am not a madonna fan.

"LoveSong" WAS NOT forgettable. In fact if it would have been released as a single with a HOT video, It had the potential of being another top 10 hit for both.

Krystalkisses said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I agree. M2 wants you to believe she really cared for him, and its working.

In addition she didnt tell the Detective P was taking opiates, she said "narcotics"

M2 needs to stay in her lane with Eric.

I do think Manuela cared about Prince. Actually, I found it very interesting (from what people said was in the report) that Prince actually still was in contact with Manuela and the fact that she mentioned to LG she had concerns about Princes painkiller usage during their marriage and LG acted like she was overreacting or something. The fact that he still talked to her may have shown he trusted her. We actually don't know if she did or didn't try to help him. Despite everything that happenend with them in the past it seemed like he still valued their friendship.

They were in contact right after the divorce.In fact Prince came to LA and they had a long convo while riding around in Prince's car.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

really? are you sure? there was the rumour he did guitar work on Like a prayer and of course the forgettable "love song" was his but i never heard he did anything else. at any rate I love the album and am not a madonna fan.

"LoveSong" WAS NOT forgettable. In fact if it would have been released as a single with a HOT video, It had the potential of being another top 10 hit for both.

Pete, you're coming across a little irrespectful with your "of course".
No "Justify My Love" without this one.

bonatoc said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"LoveSong" WAS NOT forgettable. In fact if it would have been released as a single with a HOT video, It had the potential of being another top 10 hit for both.

Pete, you're coming across a little irrespectful with your "of course".
No "Justify My Love" without this one.

So the Lenny Kravitz/Ingrid Chavez (additional lyrics by Madonna) penned song is influenced by Love Song?

Menes said:

purplemist7777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I agree. M2 wants you to believe she really cared for him, and its working.

In addition she didnt tell the Detective P was taking opiates, she said "narcotics"

M2 needs to stay in her lane with Eric.

Mani cares about $$$$. If he was using narcotics back in 2004, maybe that is the reason for their divorce and her large settlement? She and Omarr are working together and he probably gave her a heads up before it broke on the news and she was able to get there fast. However she did call P out on her 2010 FB post re ending up like Charlie Sheen so maybe she did care somewhat. her and Apple with their cryptic messages again...SMH

imo i don't think she posted that out of concern for his well being. if she'd been concerned about his health then confronting him is something she should have done in private. and the way she put it out there publicly was just ugly, like mockery or insult. ain't no fury like a woman scorned

we know mani obsessed about the image of 'prince' for years before she met him. so did she ever truly love the man behind the image?

then again, no one can truly force an addict to stay off drugs even if they do go into treatment

i see why this is considered a "murder" investigation. before these files were released we all inferred that the 'homicide' angle involved only whoever supplied Prince with drugs.

this is only my opinion but there were just too many people around Prince who stood to benefit from his death. sales of his music went through the roof following his death. there are millions of dollars of songs in the vault. its just too sad for words. he was worth more dead than alive to some people.

cloveringold85 said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said: https://www.instagram.com...BBecIgjtN/

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So, what does SHE believe?

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Interesting what Apples said:

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• apollonia_kotero“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” Mark Twain #love4oneanother #truth #love#prince Amen 🙏🏽

She also said:

"Thieves in the Temple ☠️ they rocked him to sleep all behind his back."