kmama07 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince refused any testing in Moline and the doctor did not test the pills Prince had on him, only did a visual check. I guess she didn't suspect they were counterfeit pills?

My thought on just doing a visual check was due to him not allowing them to do a blood test. My guess is, if they had been able to do a blood test , perhaps that would have given cause to further check the pill based on blood results?

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Yes, that is a very good point. I think when Prince had agreed to tests on the 20th, he was in detox-mode, so he thought nothing would come up, but it did. Opiates.

dustoff said:

cloveringold85 said:

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From what I understand, it kinda looks that way, according to Debra's statements. I was very fascinated by what she had to say -- and she knows what she is talking about. She stopped working for Prince because she did not want to be a part of doing something that is illegal. She said Phaedra set up a LLC for Prince's publishing, but used her (Debra's) address! To me, it looks like Phaedra set this up so all the royalties will go to her. Debra said that one song could be worth 30M. I almost fell off my damn chair when she said that!!!!! I could be wrong, but it looks like that whole thing with Phaedra helping Prince get his master's back, then she came back around into Prince's life again in 2015, along with Van Jones, working on these so-called Charity events.

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This is all so heartbreaking, because Prince entrusted these people to work on his behalf!!

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Also, Debra said that Prince has the largest.....yes, LARGEST music catalog, in history--(an artist who writes and records their music)!

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Could that be so? More than MJ or Elvis????

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SOoooo, with that being said; Prince's catalog is worth a alllllotalotalotaaa money!!!!

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Her statements really explained a lot.

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I thought she said that his TOTAL publishing revenue came to around $30 million a year, for all compositions. I could be wrong though, will have to go back and check.

Debra DID NOT say one song was worth $30 Million.

i have given up on trying to catch up on this thread each time one is closed and another opened before i can finish.

thanks for reading the bits of the report you did and posting here. RIP PRN.

still ....no one beleives arsenio or murphy ALSO know a lot

luvsexy4all said:

still ....no one beleives arsenio or murphy ALSO know a lot

huh? what the hell would they know, sinead sounded like a nut in the only mention of arsenio in this case. arsenio, i don't think hung out with prince all that much, in fact, he mentioned one of the times he did and prince looked very uncomfortable surrounded by potsmokers. Eddie? Eddie is not druggie past pot that I know of (of course there could be other stuff).

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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From what I understand, it kinda looks that way, according to Debra's statements. I was very fascinated by what she had to say -- and she knows what she is talking about. She stopped working for Prince because she did not want to be a part of doing something that is illegal. She said Phaedra set up a LLC for Prince's publishing, but used her (Debra's) address! To me, it looks like Phaedra set this up so all the royalties will go to her. Debra said that one song could be worth 30M. I almost fell off my damn chair when she said that!!!!! I could be wrong, but it looks like that whole thing with Phaedra helping Prince get his master's back, then she came back around into Prince's life again in 2015, along with Van Jones, working on these so-called Charity events.

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This is all so heartbreaking, because Prince entrusted these people to work on his behalf!!

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Also, Debra said that Prince has the largest.....yes, LARGEST music catalog, in history--(an artist who writes and records their music)!

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Could that be so? More than MJ or Elvis????

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SOoooo, with that being said; Prince's catalog is worth a alllllotalotalotaaa money!!!!

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Her statements really explained a lot.

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I asked because I kind of remember Phaedra being removed as the manager when Bremer Trust took over the estate, but I'm not sure that she was removed from the whole thing or not. Deborah's statement was more than an ear full.

I think that Prince got a $30M advance for the entire deal with Universal.

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I don't think Phaedra was ever entirely out of the picture.

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Yes, the 30M (actually 31M), was for the Universal deal, but it fell through because the contract was poorly written.

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This kinda explains it:

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http://variety.com/2017/b...202644080/

Krystalkisses said:

Has anyone else seen Manuela's Instagram post the other day? It gave me the chills. I really feel like she was one of the REAL people in his life that didn't like what was going on around him and genuinely cared about him.

no, why don't you enlighten us a little.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

no, why don't you enlighten us a little.

https://www.instagram.com...BBecIgjtN/

ok, thanks.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

Has anyone else seen Manuela's Instagram post the other day? It gave me the chills. I really feel like she was one of the REAL people in his life that didn't like what was going on around him and genuinely cared about him.

She knew he had a problem, why didn't she do something to help him when they were still married? Why did she stay silent? She did nothing to help him. She should be ashamed.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

dustoff said:

I thought she said that his TOTAL publishing revenue came to around $30 million a year, for all compositions. I could be wrong though, will have to go back and check.

Debra DID NOT say one song was worth $30 Million.

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Yes, and I corrected my previous comment.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

no, why don't you enlighten us a little.

https://www.instagram.com...BBecIgjtN/

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So, what does SHE believe?

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Interesting what Apples said:

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• apollonia_kotero“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” Mark Twain #love4oneanother #truth #love#prince Amen 🙏🏽

disch said:

I appreciate her post but I am getting slightly tired of these cryptic posts that always seem to be about making the point that the poster is one of the good guys/gals not like those OTHER (unnamed) people. PeteSilas said:

ok, thanks.

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I concur.

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If you are old skool like me, you might remember this saying......

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Piss or get off the pot.

Mani couldn't hop on a flight to help him, but she sure hopped on one the he died, probably filling out the trademark app on her flight to MN.

PennyPurple said:

Krystalkisses said:

Has anyone else seen Manuela's Instagram post the other day? It gave me the chills. I really feel like she was one of the REAL people in his life that didn't like what was going on around him and genuinely cared about him.

She knew he had a problem, why didn't she do something to help him when they were still married? Why did she stay silent? She did nothing to help him. She should be ashamed.

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Maybe because she didn't want Prince to stop giving money to her charities.

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If she put money before love, then that is a real damn shame!

PennyPurple said:

Mani couldn't hop on a flight to help him, but she sure hopped on one the he died, probably filling out the trademark app on her flight to MN.

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PennyPurple said:

dustoff said:

cloveringold85 said:

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From what I understand, it kinda looks that way, according to Debra's statements. I was very fascinated by what she had to say -- and she knows what she is talking about. She stopped working for Prince because she did not want to be a part of doing something that is illegal. She said Phaedra set up a LLC for Prince's publishing, but used her (Debra's) address! To me, it looks like Phaedra set this up so all the royalties will go to her. Debra said that one song could be worth 30M. I almost fell off my damn chair when she said that!!!!! I could be wrong, but it looks like that whole thing with Phaedra helping Prince get his master's back, then she came back around into Prince's life again in 2015, along with Van Jones, working on these so-called Charity events.

.

This is all so heartbreaking, because Prince entrusted these people to work on his behalf!!

.

Also, Debra said that Prince has the largest.....yes, LARGEST music catalog, in history--(an artist who writes and records their music)!

.

Could that be so? More than MJ or Elvis????

.

SOoooo, with that being said; Prince's catalog is worth a alllllotalotalotaaa money!!!!

.

Her statements really explained a lot.

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I thought she said that his TOTAL publishing revenue came to around $30 million a year, for all compositions. I could be wrong though, will have to go back and check.

YES..its absolutley so..Prince wrote ALL of his own Lyrics..

and his publishing Royalties were set to grow with the Formingof NPGMusicpublishing.

He was gearing up to Licence his music for Movies etc....

ONE SOng can bring 100,s of Thousands in Royalties.

Read THIS to understand more and get a handle on the enormity of Princes Catalogues revenue potential

cloveringold85 said:

From what I understand, it kinda looks that way, according to Debra's statements. I was very fascinated by what she had to say -- and she knows what she is talking about.

She said Prince wrote 'Like A Prayer'. He didn't.

Robbajobba said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

SquirrelMeat said:

cloveringold85 said:

From what I understand, it kinda looks that way, according to Debra's statements. I was very fascinated by what she had to say -- and she knows what she is talking about.

She said Prince wrote 'Like A Prayer'. He didn't.

Prince actually did take part in the song 'Like A Prayer'(though he remained uncredited) along with 3 other songs from the same album.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Krystalkisses said:

Has anyone else seen Manuela's Instagram post the other day? It gave me the chills. I really feel like she was one of the REAL people in his life that didn't like what was going on around him and genuinely cared about him.

She knew he had a problem, why didn't she do something to help him when they were still married? Why did she stay silent? She did nothing to help him. She should be ashamed.

I agree. M2 wants you to believe she really cared for him, and its working.

In addition she didnt tell the Detective P was taking opiates, she said "narcotics"

M2 needs to stay in her lane with Eric.

SquirrelMeat said:

cloveringold85 said:

From what I understand, it kinda looks that way, according to Debra's statements. I was very fascinated by what she had to say -- and she knows what she is talking about.

She said Prince wrote 'Like A Prayer'. He didn't.

she sounded sincere and professional though, the kind of person that people would sabotage if there was wrongdoing going on. Malcolm X was booted from the muslims because he was basically too honest (amongst a few other things).

ChocolateBox3121 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

She said Prince wrote 'Like A Prayer'. He didn't.

Prince actually did take part in the song 'Like A Prayer'(though he remained uncredited) along with 3 other songs from the same album.

really? are you sure? there was the rumour he did guitar work on Like a prayer and of course the forgettable "love song" was his but i never heard he did anything else. at any rate I love the album and am not a madonna fan.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

She knew he had a problem, why didn't she do something to help him when they were still married? Why did she stay silent? She did nothing to help him. She should be ashamed.

I agree. M2 wants you to believe she really cared for him, and its working.

In addition she didnt tell the Detective P was taking opiates, she said "narcotics"

M2 needs to stay in her lane with Eric.

I do think Manuela cared about Prince. Actually, I found it very interesting (from what people said was in the report) that Prince actually still was in contact with Manuela and the fact that she mentioned to LG she had concerns about Princes painkiller usage during their marriage and LG acted like she was overreacting or something. The fact that he still talked to her may have shown he trusted her. We actually don't know if she did or didn't try to help him. Despite everything that happenend with them in the past it seemed like he still valued their friendship.

disch said:

What are you trying to calculate (what will this show us, do you think)? Are you trying to figure out how many hydrocodone pills it would take to trigger a severe OD like on the plane? It would be a lot. As for what was found in Moline: You mean pill-wise? His urine or blood wasn't tested.

Menes said:

Any mention of what was found in Moline?

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It should show a pattern of type/amounts used/choice. This a bit long so forgive me.

Ng/ml for Hyrdrocodone levels in urine @ autopsy indicates that this mode of transmission/ desired effect is negligible comparatively speaking. The numbers were given to me as I didn't have time to read thru the reports of what I already understood .I don't want to get into an argumentum ad ignorantiam with anyone on here who believes that he was not a long term addict, who was addicted to opiates and headed towards destruction). I am merely addressing the elephant in the room. Which is: Prince didn't know he was taking fentanyl. If anything is off, meh.

With so many pills of hydrocodone found @ PP ,there must have been an initial and prejudicial summary that proclaimed Hydrocodone as the catalyst for death. I think the ME was surprised that the sample in the urine came back with such a skewed number.

Now, to reproduce said effect( in Moline) he would had to have ingested roughly 10 times that amount(90mgs). That is roughly 18 pills per 5mg dosage. Though feasible, nobody eats these things as if they were skittles. But let's assume that he did, you should see roughly the same amount per the autopsy for someone with a long term addiction, as addicts continually "chase" that same high, mode of delivery and amounts per fluctuating levels of dopamine. This is not the case.

In my opinion the drug of choice to produce said effect( as in Moline) ,has never been hydrocodone, or any other opiate not listed in the reports. It appears that opiates such as hydrocodone were substitutes in the event of "x" not being available, or, combined in addition with"x". This is what you are seeing in the report. We could consider this the "back up stash "if you will. How did we reach such a conclusion?

We can narrow down what types of opiates were found, (and which opiate Prince died from). We can mathematically deduce the probabilities of long term usage for a given opiate. Example: If you believe he was using hydrocodone for a long time ,or, that large amounts were used in Moline, then you should see a marked increase in that number as this would indicate a pattern . That number does not exist even for calculations over a 48-72 hour period.

Now, The number indicated for fentanyl , by all informal logic , is assumed as "accidental" because "x' amount was in his system. Which would by all measure mean that he was not familiar with its desired effect.

Well well well... In essence the argument is that though he was familiar with the desired affect of hydrocodone,( he had so many and had to have taken them before) he just opted to not take enough to produce said effect , but rather, accidentally take something with fenatnyl in it to produce ??????????????????? Yes, yes, this time around he was numbing extreme physical pain and could not take the hydrocodone? Is that it? Ummm, no. Why is he taking something else? What is this something and how is he familiar and trusting with this something?

We are going to have to pick an opiate and quantify it with math, science and his experience.

The absence of proof is not proof of absence.