poppys said:

Ill never be ready to hear Tyka Singing Purple Rain...

Please GoD..NO !

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplemist7777 said:

NotACleverName said:

Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

Tyka said all of that? Her son's statement totally contradicts what Tyka said then.

SO much BS...

according to Presidents X Wife President hadnt seen Prince since he married Mayte

Hannah and Josh Welton only saw Tyka TWICE in four years and one of those times was

on the Satuday before he passed

Many people reported that Tyka had to go through Princes managers to reach him.

She didnt have a direct line to him.

There is another one of the interviews where Prince asks Romeo about who whould sue him

Prince directly asks "DO you think TYka would sue me ?

The reply is "No"

To which Prince grins and gives the Side eye to larry and smirks..hmmm?

The side eye was to Kirk NOT Larry. Also Prince asked Theo "Who would sue him his sister Edna"? NOT Romeo.In which Theo replied "No" Then he turned & asked Kirk "Who would Tyka"? Then he gave Kirk a smirk.

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kmama07 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

Menes said:

Oh goodie. There's a "doctor" on the org. I can run the numbers by you and maybe you can tell us why a metabolite is showing up in urine and not blood over a 48-72 hour period? While you're at it, can you quantify the time a bit for us? My calculations support that this was not one pill that caused the "accident" and that he never stopped using in that 7 day grace period. Up for the challenge, Doc?

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

Robbajobba said:

MMJas said:

I accessed it through the Carver County site. Electronics records 5.

That specific interview (Debra's) is very telling, imo. Does anyone know if there is a transcript for it on the report? I can´t remember...

[Edited 4/25/18 9:11am]

Just finished it. It's unbelievable. Thing is, Debra is making all these frankly horrifying accusations - and she sounds very plausible - to a cop who isn't really following it, and who isn't really investigating corruption / deception etc etc. I really hope someone follows this up, but who would that be? Who's the injured party now he's gone?

Sorry - I am pages and pages behind you guys but trying to get caught up. I just listened to this as well but... is it abruptly cut off? It doesn't sound like a complete interview.

LambofGoth said:

Robbajobba said:

Just finished it. It's unbelievable. Thing is, Debra is making all these frankly horrifying accusations - and she sounds very plausible - to a cop who isn't really following it, and who isn't really investigating corruption / deception etc etc. I really hope someone follows this up, but who would that be? Who's the injured party now he's gone?

Sorry - I am pages and pages behind you guys but trying to get caught up. I just listened to this as well but... is it abruptly cut off? It doesn't sound like a complete interview.

There is a part 2 but it was not released.

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

arrogance, control, denial, lying, confused thinking, no close friends or people who really loved him, surrounded by users and losers (and some religious fanatics),in pain (physically and emotionally), burned out...how else was it going to end? He was more than 'rolling the dice'...he was daring God to take him. Or maybe begging.

This.

I can't help but think of the lyrics from Anna Stesia...

Menes said:

precioux said:

Menes said:

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

I'm voting for the first choice.

poppys said:

LambofGoth said:

Sorry - I am pages and pages behind you guys but trying to get caught up. I just listened to this as well but... is it abruptly cut off? It doesn't sound like a complete interview.

There is a part 2 but it was not released.

Thank you, poppys.

kmama07 said:

NotACleverName said:

Kirk, Meron and Phaedra will not provide statements. LE made numerous attempts and the three repeatedly stonewalled their efforts.

Is there a lawyer on the org who can explain why this was even a possibility? I guess I always assumed if one was being questioned by authorities in an open investigation, one didn't really have a choice if one wanted to participate or not. Sorry if this has already been asked.

You dont have to give a statement to police even IF you are charged with murder.

5th Admendment.

Menes said:

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: This.

I can't help but think of the lyrics from Anna Stesia...

"Have you ever been so lonely
That you felt like you were the only one in this world?"

Anesthesia.....for decades. RIP...at last.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

The police cannot force witnesses to testify.

If the District Attorney had convened a Grand Jury, witnesses would be subpoenaed to testify.

However, you can take the Fifth during Grand Jury proceedings while you are on the stand.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

The tingling and numbness he said he felt? Lidocaine is numbing.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

If he was doing all that, he would know he was taking Lidocaine. Why mention it to the doctor?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Lovejunky said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

I'm voting for the first choice.

Ah, so per what was found in that house/ME results...

That overdose in Moline reveals enough data to support that he would have had to ingest a good amount of mgs of hydrocodone(by itself) to produce a near death experience. By all measures, the subsequent results can not come from one pill of hydrocodone.

If so, that would mean that one believes that Prince gobbled up a pile of pills (of hydrocodone only) in Atanta. It is more plausible that he took his usual cocktail that included something other than hydrocodone.


We are left to contemplate and calculate combination toxicity with hydrocodone and "x" which , cocincidentally ,just happens to be the same combination found and mentioned by the ME in the autopsy on 5-9 in his blood and urine.

Now, these two are mentioned in the same breath by the ME ,but is separated by their metabolic rates and excretion pathways . There is a reason for this.

I am not sure why there is no mention of the amount of hydrodcodone found in his urine, yet the numerical value of fentanyl in his blood is given. There has to be a history or knowledge by the user that these two substances, in fact ,are different , and produce a given effect such as in Moline. He surely did not get that result in Moline from a single hydrocodone.

Menes said:

precioux said:

Menes said:

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

That's exactly where my thought process is right now. Because FUCK THE BULLSHIT if Prince had been a long term user of ANY of the drugs that he supposedly/maybe/possibly/could have/might have/think so/heard so/know so but can't and/or won't say so...foolishness. Wouldn't and shouldn't the ME have been able to determine that beyond any doubt, in the Toxicolgy Report?

lidocaine is a cheap cutting agent; per the investigation p.185:

"Officer Voller [of the DEA] commented that this was not necessarily surprising [that pills with the same composition as Prince's we not found elsewhere] as they are seeing these types of pills being mixed with whatever is around or whatever is easily available."

-

This article describes a drug investigation in san diego where they found a "pill [that] contained 20 ingredients, including fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, lidocaine, caffeine and other chemicals.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The pills were never mixed with Hydro and Fentanyl.

All the Fentanyl pills were laced with Lidocaine.

Back to my origional theory posted shortly after he died that he was injesting the Fentanyl rectally bc of ever-increasing GI problems due to long-term opoid use and the lidocaine was a necessary numbing agent bc F burns even when it's being pushed into an IV line...there would literally be no other purpose to having lidocaine in a pill. THINK.

The DA was pretty emphatic that he felt that Prince likely didn't know the pill contained fentanyl

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Menes said:

Was there fentanyl in any of the other hydrocodone pills that were tested?

1. If the batch contained just one pill laced with fentanyl ( the one he took) , then you could argue that this is not only unrealistic, but highly conspiratorial.

2. If the batch of hydrocodone pills tested contained numerous other pills with fentanyl in them , you could argue that he was already a user of fentanyl.

3. If the you believe that Prince did not cease usage after Moline and continued ingesting said pills, you could argue that he was lucky to have lived for even (7) days more.


Know how unlucky of a person Prince would have had to have been to pick one pill out of a batch that had extreme amounts of fentanyl in it if he was using from that same batch prior to his death? If the summary of events are as reported, once you calculate what was in the blood ,as opposed to the urine, you could roughly calculate the amount of usage and length of usage prior to the ingestion of that "magic pill" per each metabolic rate. They are not one of the same thing.

I do not believe that Prince ceased usage after Moline .There would be no need for such an intervention or pre-intervention tests. Hence, we are left to search for the illusive question :long term user of fentanyl , or, just an unlucky guy who picked out one hydrocdone pill laced with fentanyl out of a batch .

[Edited 4/25/18 20:39pm]

That's exactly where my thought process is right now. Because FUCK THE BULLSHIT if Prince had been a long term user of ANY of the drugs that he supposedly/maybe/possibly/could have/might have/think so/heard so/know so but can't and/or won't say so...foolishness. Wouldn't and shouldn't the ME have been able to determine that beyond any doubt, in the Toxicolgy Report?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

I thnk people will soon realize that on that night, he didn't take one thing at one time to ease the "pain". There are so wayyyy off.

disch said:

The DA was pretty emphatic that he felt that Prince likely didn't know the pill contained fentanyl

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

That's exactly where my thought process is right now. Because FUCK THE BULLSHIT if Prince had been a long term user of ANY of the drugs that he supposedly/maybe/possibly/could have/might have/think so/heard so/know so but can't and/or won't say so...foolishness. Wouldn't and shouldn't the ME have been able to determine that beyond any doubt, in the Toxicolgy Report?

I'm not sure what that means, if anything. He has a lot of politics and PR to deal with.. The ME was in a bind just the same.