MMJas said:

bondno9 said:

Hmm ... after going back ... maybe fed case is still "open" even though they said it was "inactive."

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ARTICLE: "The U.S. attorney’s office also said Thursday it had no credible evidence that would lead to federal criminal charges. A law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press that the federal investigation is now inactive unless new information emerges. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the federal case remains open."

[Edited 4/26/18 6:22am]

Exactly. That was my understanding. So the case is not closed.

Right. Which may be why some things are still being withheld.

Rebeljuice said:

MMJas said:

I don't understand. Doesn't the whole report become public? How can they exclude some parts and why?

The way I read it is that the criminal investigation focussed on finding out if Prince was being written illigal scripts, doctor shopping or having people around him act as a middle man in supplying him with the illigal drugs. What they uncovered along the way may well have opened other cases not related to their remit. Such as fraud, theft, obstructing justice etc. Statements and evidence related to those potential cases may have been held back.

For all we know they may well have found the dealer who was selling the drugs to Prince. They just couldnt proove that any of Prince's associates helped enable the transactions. The DEA on the other hand may well have asked LE to refrain from arresting the dealer so they could follow the trail to the big fish. The DEA are more concerned with the cartel and the supply chain rather than arresting the dealer on the street. So maybe evidence pertaining to that investigation may have been held back.

I think more is to come. Not neccessarily pertaining to Prince enablers who I think are in the clear at this juncture. But hopefully people are being investigated for the questionable involvement with Prince's business.

This is EXACTLY how I see it...thatks for your eloquent summation.

kmama07 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

kmama07 said:

Menes said:

No doctor in good moral standing would have had enough ink to continue to write him prescriptions for that intense craving. Everything had to be illegit.

Exactly. And no ONE doctor could have written prescriptions for all he had due to the strict monitoring of prescriptions written for drugs in that class. He would have to have had several doctors writing prescriptions for him (Dr. Shopping) and there were no records of that sort of thing that I read about. He didn't even have anyone considered as his primary physician. Unless every pill he had was prescribed in someone else's name then given to him, he was buying black market/street pills and rolling the dice in terms of what they actually contained. [Edited 4/25/18 19:30pm]

arrogance, control, denial, lying, confused thinking, no close friends or people who really loved him, surrounded by users and losers (and some religious fanatics),in pain (physically and emotionally), burned out...how else was it going to end? He was more than 'rolling the dice'...he was daring God to take him. Or maybe begging.

Yes. This exactly.

littlemissG said:

kmama07 said:

Yes. This exactly.

Unfortunately, the more I read the report, I grow more I am for Prince. Surround by ole who only interest to not to hurt the money machine of Prince’s image at the cost of his health and life. Deleted text and shredded documents, maybe there was a will and it went into the shredder. We will never know.

That thought crossed my mind.

luv4u said:

littlemissG said:

kmama07 said: Unfortunately, the more I read the report, I grow more I am for Prince. Surround by ole who only interest to not to hurt the money machine of Prince’s image at the cost of his health and life. Deleted text and shredded documents, maybe there was a will and it went into the shredder. We will never know.

That thought crossed my mind.

Yeah, but why would those doing the shredding act to ensure the estate went only to his blood relatives? And, if it were a legally drawn-up document, any lawyer involved would have surfaced almost immediately after his death with the Prince Will file...

luv4u said:

regarding what Tyka has said .....Ididn't see too much of Princes favourite colour orange in the PP photos

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Where was it reported or who said that documents were being shredded at PP?

Personally, I feel like the whole cover up at PP wasn't related to pills but more to try cover asses for the monies being siphoned.

Prince was found wearing only socks. Did they find the shoes he was wearing??? I don't recall seeing anything about them being found in green room or elsewhere. That could give indication of what room he might have been in or coming from eve of 4/20. I know his jacket and gloves were found in hallway upstairs ... but no shoes???

[Edited 4/26/18 8:01am]

[Edited 4/26/18 8:03am]

PeteSilas said:

precioux said:

Prince's charity license had expired. Deborah is basically claiming Van and Phadera were siphoning this "charity" money into their own pockets,no?

Was it ever confirmed that Phadera had POA for Prince?

that's dissapointing about van jones, i thought he was sincere, hope it's not true.

I was SHOCKED listening this. The cutting off of the end is VERY suspicious. I TOTALLY believed Debbie also and I'm VERY surprised the press hasn't picked up on this. The interviews are a soap opera with in itself. I also don't believe Prince didn't know about this.It was his publishing deal. NONE of them had Prince's best interest at heart except Judith.

PeteSilas said:

Francis77 said:

I never planned to post, but, I have been following this thread closely and I just wonder if anyone else is suspicious about the Blind Gossip article that came out a week before his death? It's not that I believe he had AIDS, my issue is that someone from his camp, sold this story to them and said he would be "dead by summer." After he passed, Blind Gossip updated the story and said they were indeed talking about Prince when they posted the blind article and said that a trusted source from his camp came to them with this story. To me this seems like someone was trying to lay some ground work for when he came up dead. And that then maybe they went another route? (with the whole pill angle) I just wonder if the Sheriffs department thought to subpoena Blind Gossip and find out who their inside source was? To me this is very suspicious...

funksterr has stated that someone in his camp did leak that and also pointed out that Prince had seen the blind item because it was left on his computer history, funksterr said it was a factor in why we lost Prince, I asked for more details but haven't gotten any yet.

Oh my, so Prince saw this? God, how awful! I remember this week so well, the week before his death, all of this seemed so random, I can't believe it was all leading to this terrible tragedy.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I Would Die 4 U

Prince, The Revolution

I'm not a woman
I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand

I'll never beat you
I'll never lie
And if you're evil I'll forgive U by and by

'Cause U, I would die U, yeah
Darling if U want me
U, I would die 4 U

I'm not ur lover
I'm not ur friend
I am something that u'll never comprehend

No need 2 worry
No need 2 cry
I'm ur messiah and u're the reason why

'Cause U, I would die 4 U, yeah
Darling if U want me 2
U I would die 4 U

U're just a sinner I am told
Be ur fire when u're cold
Make U happy when u're sad
Make U good when U are bad

I'm not a human
I am a dove
I'm ur conscious
I am love
All I really need is 2 know that
U believe

Yeah, I would die 4 U, yeah
Darling if U want me 2
U, I would die 4 U

Yeah, say one more time

U, I would die 4 U
Darling if U want me 2
U, I would die 4 U
Two, three, 4 U

I would die 4 U
I would die 4 U
U, I would die 4 U
U, I would die 4 U

Songwriters: Prince Rogers Nelson

I Would Die 4 U lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc, Universal Music Publishing Group

Yes, we get it. 4 April U 21.

tmo1965 said:

jtfolden said:

tmo1965 said: I'm not sure what you find so weird about this exchange.

At 1st I was thinking that Kirk was admitting to giving Prince pills, but someone reminded me that Dr. S had given the Valium to Kirk for Prince so that Kirk would monitor Prince's use. So I'm ok with that part of it now. But Andrew stated that he, Kirk, and Meron ate breakfast and then Andrew went to check into the hotel (or maybe it was the other way around, then they went to Paisley Park because Prince was not answering any calls. Kirk tells Dr. S that he was waiting for Prince to wake up. So when was Kirk waiting for Prince to wake up? The impression that I got from Andrew's, Kirk's, and Meron's statements is that they immediately went to look for Prince because they were concened by no one hearing from him. So some clarification of that timeline is needed.

I find it odd that Prince would wake up that early.Prince NEVER woke up that early. He started his day in the late afternoon.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

tmo1965 said:

At 1st I was thinking that Kirk was admitting to giving Prince pills, but someone reminded me that Dr. S had given the Valium to Kirk for Prince so that Kirk would monitor Prince's use. So I'm ok with that part of it now. But Andrew stated that he, Kirk, and Meron ate breakfast and then Andrew went to check into the hotel (or maybe it was the other way around, then they went to Paisley Park because Prince was not answering any calls. Kirk tells Dr. S that he was waiting for Prince to wake up. So when was Kirk waiting for Prince to wake up? The impression that I got from Andrew's, Kirk's, and Meron's statements is that they immediately went to look for Prince because they were concened by no one hearing from him. So some clarification of that timeline is needed.

I find it odd that Prince would wake up that early.Prince NEVER woke up that early. He started his day in the late afternoon.

Bold statement for someone who has never met the man.

tmo1965 said:

jtfolden said:

tmo1965 said: I'm not sure what you find so weird about this exchange.

At 1st I was thinking that Kirk was admitting to giving Prince pills, but someone reminded me that Dr. S had given the Valium to Kirk for Prince so that Kirk would monitor Prince's use. So I'm ok with that part of it now. But Andrew stated that he, Kirk, and Meron ate breakfast and then Andrew went to check into the hotel (or maybe it was the other way around, then they went to Paisley Park because Prince was not answering any calls. Kirk tells Dr. S that he was waiting for Prince to wake up. So when was Kirk waiting for Prince to wake up? The impression that I got from Andrew's, Kirk's, and Meron's statements is that they immediately went to look for Prince because they were concened by no one hearing from him. So some clarification of that timeline is needed.

[Edited 4/26/18 8:46am]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

...nope, definitely was NOT

your dark humor is refreshing ..I get you

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Tyka said all of that? Her son's statement totally contradicts what Tyka said then.

Yes. In fact in one interview (I'll try to find the name of the show), when asked how she felt when she got the phone call, she laughed and said "how did it feel? It's been two years, I have to try to remember(something to that effect)...blah,blah,blah" she's a piece of work. I'll look for the name of the show. I don't know how to post links, though🙁

Yes. I saw that and I was like how can you not remember how felt hearing that your brother had passed. I'm not related to Prince, and I remember how I felt.

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

...nope, definitely was NOT

your dark humor is refreshing ..I get you

THANKS precioux....I get you too!

KiowaTrl said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I find it odd that Prince would wake up that early.Prince NEVER woke up that early. He started his day in the late afternoon.

Bold statement for someone who has never met the man.

U don't know me from a can of paint. So speak for yourself.

purplemist7777 said:

poppys said:

Did she say why she flew there immediately?

No just that when she heard on news re Narcan, she knew. There r several paragraphs and she gave Name of LA based producer she thought was supplier back in 2004

I think that the DEA tried to find this person - Stacy Littlejohn - who is supposed to be a famous producer. The investigation documents state that the DEA could not find anyone by that name in their system. However, I googled her name and found she is a producer (https://www.imdb.com/name.../#producer), which makes me wonder about the DEAs competency here. Maybe Stacy Littlejohn is not her real name, but it should be really easy for them to find her.

My next question is, why would an accomplished producer also be a drug dealer?

PeteSilas said:

Francis77 said:

I never planned to post, but, I have been following this thread closely and I just wonder if anyone else is suspicious about the Blind Gossip article that came out a week before his death? It's not that I believe he had AIDS, my issue is that someone from his camp, sold this story to them and said he would be "dead by summer." After he passed, Blind Gossip updated the story and said they were indeed talking about Prince when they posted the blind article and said that a trusted source from his camp came to them with this story. To me this seems like someone was trying to lay some ground work for when he came up dead. And that then maybe they went another route? (with the whole pill angle) I just wonder if the Sheriffs department thought to subpoena Blind Gossip and find out who their inside source was? To me this is very suspicious...

funksterr has stated that someone in his camp did leak that and also pointed out that Prince had seen the blind item because it was left on his computer history, I asked for more details but haven't gotten any yet.

Purplebflogirl said:

Wasn't Phaedra his Atty too? Maybe he did have a will and it was destroyed? The more we learn the more sorry I feel for him.Surrounded by vultures.

Phaedra is not an attorney.

kmama07 said:

Menes said:

No doctor in good moral standing would have had enough ink to continue to write him prescriptions for that intense craving. Everything had to be illegit.

Exactly. And no ONE doctor could have written prescriptions for all he had due to the strict monitoring of prescriptions written for drugs in that class. He would have to have had several doctors writing prescriptions for him (Dr. Shopping) and there were no records of that sort of thing that I read about. He didn't even have anyone considered as his primary physician. Unless every pill he had was prescribed in someone else's name then given to him, he was buying black market/street pills and rolling the dice in terms of what they actually contained. [Edited 4/25/18 19:30pm]

I'm convinced they were street drugs because the formulations that were found in the pills are in no legal drugs. Apparently, at some point Prince had a doctor(s), because some of the past associates mentioned him going to doctors, but mysteriously, none of the past associates could remember the name(s) of those doctors. So, my theory is that at one time, Prince was getting the pills from a doctor(s), probably in other people's names and for whatever reason his source was cut off, causing him to get the drugs on the black market.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

80tomato said:

tmo1965 said:

poppys said:

Did she say why she flew there immediately?

purplemist7777 said:

No just that when she heard on news re Narcan, she knew. There r several paragraphs and she gave Name of LA based producer she thought was supplier back in 2004

I think that the DEA tried to find this person - Stacy Littlejohn - who is supposed to be a famous producer. The investigation documents state that the DEA could not find anyone by that name in their system. However, I googled her name and found she is a producer (https://www.imdb.com/name.../#producer), which makes me wonder about the DEAs competency here. Maybe Stacy Littlejohn is not her real name, but it should be really easy for them to find her.

My next question is, why would an accomplished producer also be a drug dealer?

^ Hand & glove for that Industry - money/honey. We don't know if she was a friend/dealer or a user. Interesting info.

Maybe that's part of why she flew in. She's a helper by trade. As some here have been saying, someone who knew the ropes and could cut through some bullshit?

[Edited 4/26/18 11:15am]

Preliminary opiate calculations since we can't get the "doc" to respond. Small steps. More to come.

Posted wrong link.

1. Calculate ng/ml of hydrocodone in urine per report .

2. How much hydrocodone (in mgs) would one have to ingest to induce overdose (as in Moline). Convert and compare to ng/ml found in urine.

3. Your answer to (#1) should give you a clearer picture of (#2)

4. If (#1 and #2) are relational, what is the need for additional opiates to be ingested?

OPATU - Clinical: Opiates...ion, Urine

[Edited 4/26/18 11:23am]