Well, I think the evidence I've read (all of it at this point, the public stuff anyway) points to accident, not suicide (i think you're implying it was intentional?). I'm not sure i'm seeing what bind the ME was in...

Menes said:

disch said:

The DA was pretty emphatic that he felt that Prince likely didn't know the pill contained fentanyl

I'm not sure what that means, if anything. He has a lot of politics and PR to deal with.. The ME was in a bind just the same.

disch said:

Well, I think the evidence I've read (all of it at this point, the public stuff anyway) points to accident, not suicide (i think you're implying it was intentional?). I'm not sure i'm seeing what bind the ME was in...

Menes said:

I'm not sure what that means, if anything. He has a lot of politics and PR to deal with.. The ME was in a bind just the same.

That pendulum could have just as easily swing the other way in another state/different ME. Happens all the time. She is governed by "x" and to strictly interpet rules as such. It's been discussed quite a bit.

This may be off topic, but it's in the investigation documents. In "Investigative Report #2" on page 65, paragraph 163, Omarr states that he and Prince were once close and that they have not spoken since 2011 because Omarr had joined the JWs and then his wife got him to see that they twisted the scriptures, so Omarr left the JWs. Omarr was shunned by the JWs, so Prince had to cut of his relationship with his brother. This is beyond sad because it's someone like Omarr who may have been able to get Prince help before it was too late.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Musze said:

So Carver & NYT are hosting the 200 plus pages of investigation files... does anyone know where the Paisley Pics (NOT including pics of Prince/death scene) may be hosted in a slideshow format or something similar?

It feels to me like the New York Times is hosting 200 plus pages of Prince death files not just to cater to a niche market of music lovers...but to make investigative research easier, to pique the interest of a kick-ass reporter and to make sure this story/mystery stays alive....until resolved.

we should thank him/ her, this stuff is important no matter what side of the argument over his death you're on.

disch said:

I do trust that the police investigated this. I personally am not on the murder-plot train; I accept that it was an accident.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: You take the scene and then add in the stairs pic and the time frame it seems staged /set up. Who knows what time they all left and what they were doing during that night of the 20th

that part is just bizarre, i guess maybe they should have asked him why he took the picture in the first place.

precioux said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: Agree...Always thought Van was full of it and he was only looking out for himself/ his own charities using Princes name. I doubt P had anything to do with ANY of those charities.

Prince's charity license had expired. Deborah is basically claiming Van and Phadera were siphoning this "charity" money into their own pockets,no?

Was it ever confirmed that Phadera had POA for Prince?

that's dissapointing about van jones, i thought he was sincere, hope it's not true.

Francis77 said:

I never planned to post, but, I have been following this thread closely and I just wonder if anyone else is suspicious about the Blind Gossip article that came out a week before his death? It's not that I believe he had AIDS, my issue is that someone from his camp, sold this story to them and said he would be "dead by summer." After he passed, Blind Gossip updated the story and said they were indeed talking about Prince when they posted the blind article and said that a trusted source from his camp came to them with this story. To me this seems like someone was trying to lay some ground work for when he came up dead. And that then maybe they went another route? (with the whole pill angle) I just wonder if the Sheriffs department thought to subpoena Blind Gossip and find out who their inside source was? To me this is very suspicious...

funksterr has stated that someone in his camp did leak that and also pointed out that Prince had seen the blind item because it was left on his computer history, funksterr said it was a factor in why we lost Prince, I asked for more details but haven't gotten any yet.

MMJas said:

Googled something and just came across this. It was actually posted by Laura on Lipstick Alley:

"I remember seeing Pheadra listed as a manger of NPG Music LLC but the rest of the docs are not avalible to the public. I do know that Prince was listed as an employee in the LLC and a member. If Pheadra was a member I wonder if he knew this. I also wonder about the last four albums having their royalties assigned to "DreamCorps" four days before he died. Did Prince do that or Pheadra? What other albums or songs are going to "Dream Corps"? She claimed in probate court that she had power of attorney. When is the estate going to deal with this women?

If he had no idea she was a member of the LLC then she was taking advantage of a sick man so she could steal. The cash shows is just a tax dodge and a means for moving money without transperancy. I wonder if he knew about that at all. I wonder if any money went to charity at all."

[Edited 4/25/18 13:59pm]

in my mind, that's a big score for him not being in his right state of mind, when was prince ever easy to manipulate into losing money? Oh sure, people always stole but he knew about it, it sounds like he was past caring really.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: And sent it to Dr S?

Like Penny said, it can happen, especially if you don't know how a cell phone works. My mom is around his age and sometimes she struggles too and accidently sends pictures. Sometimes your own ass (literally) can send them accidently. It happens.

it does, i did it a couple weeks ago, some asian lady at goodwill said her cell was dead and could i send a pic of a antique chair to someone, i tried but i sent it to the last person who i texted instead, my question would be, why did he take the pic, was that an accident too? just strange. and no, i don't want to feed the murder minded but it's odd.

Menes said:

disch said:

Well, I think the evidence I've read (all of it at this point, the public stuff anyway) points to accident, not suicide (i think you're implying it was intentional?). I'm not sure i'm seeing what bind the ME was in...

That pendulum could have just as easily swing the other way in another state/different ME. Happens all the time. She is governed by "x" and to strictly interpet rules as such. It's been discussed quite a bit.

yes it has, it's all getting my blood up all over again too. goddamn all of it.

tmo1965 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Kirk had the valium Dr. S prescribed.

It was to be taken under supervision.

There is no WTF about this statement.

Well actually there is some WTF because according to Andrew and Meron they all arrived at Paisley Park at about 9am after they all had breakfast together.

At 8.15 they would have been having breakfast !!!

yet Kirk says..I am HERE waiting for him to wake up.

Where is HERE ?

Waiting for him to wake up to give him something to take the edge off. How thoughtful of Dr. Kirk.

dreamer5 said:

For anyone interested, I found this link showing the interviews that were excluded from the public. It looks like this is where Debra J's part 2 phone call is being held.

https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/itemized-data-withheld.pdf

I don't understand. Doesn't the whole report become public? How can they exclude some parts and why?

MMJas said:

MMJas said:

dreamer5 said:

For anyone interested, I found this link showing the interviews that were excluded from the public. It looks like this is where Debra J's part 2 phone call is being held.

https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/itemized-data-withheld.pdf

I don't understand. Doesn't the whole report become public? How can they exclude some parts and why?

The way I read it is that the criminal investigation focussed on finding out if Prince was being written illigal scripts, doctor shopping or having people around him act as a middle man in supplying him with the illigal drugs. What they uncovered along the way may well have opened other cases not related to their remit. Such as fraud, theft, obstructing justice etc. Statements and evidence related to those potential cases may have been held back.

For all we know they may well have found the dealer who was selling the drugs to Prince. They just couldnt proove that any of Prince's associates helped enable the transactions. The DEA on the other hand may well have asked LE to refrain from arresting the dealer so they could follow the trail to the big fish. The DEA are more concerned with the cartel and the supply chain rather than arresting the dealer on the street. So maybe evidence pertaining to that investigation may have been held back.

I think more is to come. Not neccessarily pertaining to Prince enablers who I think are in the clear at this juncture. But hopefully people are being investigated for the questionable involvement with Prince's business.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

and yet the ME stated that due to the extraodinairly high levels of Fentanyl found in his stomach

there was NO DOUBT he ingested it orally

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

Agree as well. He chose to go. He orchestrated that last night, if not the last week after Moline. You don't think he didn't have April 21 in the back of his mind - the whole "Sometimes It Snows In April" from April 21, 1986? Found in the elevator - "Let's Go Crazy?" The manner in which he was dressed? Told people to get their things out of PP? It even went back as far as 2014 - he was working toward the end. This may be just my opinion, but these can't all be coincidences. And he didn't happen to pick one pill that could kill him. He had enough to kill a good part of Chanhassen in his system.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

Agree as well. He chose to go. He orchestrated that last night, if not the last week after Moline. You don't think he didn't have April 21 in the back of his mind - the whole "Sometimes It Snows In April" from April 21, 1986? Found in the elevator - "Let's Go Crazy?" The manner in which he was dressed? Told people to get their things out of PP? It even went back as far as 2014 - he was working toward the end. This may be just my opinion, but these can't all be coincidences. And he didn't happen to pick one pill that could kill him. He had enough to kill a good part of Chanhassen in his system.

Please keep your ridiculous ramblings to yourself.

Why is my opinion ridiculous? As long as we respect each other and are civil here, it is my understanding that we can express our opinions freely.

Rebeljuice said:

MMJas said:

I don't understand. Doesn't the whole report become public? How can they exclude some parts and why?

The way I read it is that the criminal investigation focussed on finding out if Prince was being written illigal scripts, doctor shopping or having people around him act as a middle man in supplying him with the illigal drugs. What they uncovered along the way may well have opened other cases not related to their remit. Such as fraud, theft, obstructing justice etc. Statements and evidence related to those potential cases may have been held back.

For all we know they may well have found the dealer who was selling the drugs to Prince. They just couldnt proove that any of Prince's associates helped enable the transactions. The DEA on the other hand may well have asked LE to refrain from arresting the dealer so they could follow the trail to the big fish. The DEA are more concerned with the cartel and the supply chain rather than arresting the dealer on the street. So maybe evidence pertaining to that investigation may have been held back.

I think more is to come. Not neccessarily pertaining to Prince enablers who I think are in the clear at this juncture. But hopefully people are being investigated for the questionable involvement with Prince's business.

I sure hope so.
Was the case officially closed?

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Agreed...it's my personal theory that his long-term habitual use was rectally but when he knew the game was over, with great purposeful intent, he downed a handful of pills...he wanted that volume of F in his system. This was a man determined to be in control until the end. He wasn't going to rehab. No, No, No.

Agree as well. He chose to go. He orchestrated that last night, if not the last week after Moline. You don't think he didn't have April 21 in the back of his mind - the whole "Sometimes It Snows In April" from April 21, 1986? Found in the elevator - "Let's Go Crazy?" The manner in which he was dressed? Told people to get their things out of PP? It even went back as far as 2014 - he was working toward the end. This may be just my opinion, but these can't all be coincidences. And he didn't happen to pick one pill that could kill him. He had enough to kill a good part of Chanhassen in his system.

Actually it was recorded on April 21, 1985, released in 1986.

However, I remember reading that (in the Vault book by Per Nilsen?), Prince was rushed to hospital on April 21, 1996 with palpitations after having been drinking and taking painkillers I believe.

I find it odd it was 20 years to the day - perhaps the day had some significance to him?

[Edited 4/26/18 5:15am]

MMJas said:

Rebeljuice said:

The way I read it is that the criminal investigation focussed on finding out if Prince was being written illigal scripts, doctor shopping or having people around him act as a middle man in supplying him with the illigal drugs. What they uncovered along the way may well have opened other cases not related to their remit. Such as fraud, theft, obstructing justice etc. Statements and evidence related to those potential cases may have been held back.

For all we know they may well have found the dealer who was selling the drugs to Prince. They just couldnt proove that any of Prince's associates helped enable the transactions. The DEA on the other hand may well have asked LE to refrain from arresting the dealer so they could follow the trail to the big fish. The DEA are more concerned with the cartel and the supply chain rather than arresting the dealer on the street. So maybe evidence pertaining to that investigation may have been held back.

I think more is to come. Not neccessarily pertaining to Prince enablers who I think are in the clear at this juncture. But hopefully people are being investigated for the questionable involvement with Prince's business.

I sure hope so.
Was the case officially closed?

Both state and federal investigations are closed pending any new information or witnesses.

bondno9 said:

MMJas said:

I sure hope so.
Was the case officially closed?

Both state and federal investigations are closed pending any new information or witnesses.

I thought the State's was closed but the Federal was still open??

jtfolden said:

tmo1965 said:

According to Dr. S., he contacted Kirk on 4/21, sometime after 8:15 am. Dr. S. asked if he was still in town. Then "Kirk responded, Im here waiting for him (Prince) to wake up to give him something to take the edge off". WTF!!! This is in the investigation docs pg. 85 paragraph 16.

I'm not sure what you find so weird about this exchange.

At 1st I was thinking that Kirk was admitting to giving Prince pills, but someone reminded me that Dr. S had given the Valium to Kirk for Prince so that Kirk would monitor Prince's use. So I'm ok with that part of it now. But Andrew stated that he, Kirk, and Meron ate breakfast and then Andrew went to check into the hotel (or maybe it was the other way around, then they went to Paisley Park because Prince was not answering any calls. Kirk tells Dr. S that he was waiting for Prince to wake up. So when was Kirk waiting for Prince to wake up? The impression that I got from Andrew's, Kirk's, and Meron's statements is that they immediately went to look for Prince because they were concened by no one hearing from him. So some clarification of that timeline is needed.

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

bondno9 said:

Both state and federal investigations are closed pending any new information or witnesses.

I thought the State's was closed but the Federal was still open??

Hmm ... after going back ... maybe fed case is still "open" even though they said it was "inactive."

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ARTICLE: "The U.S. attorney’s office also said Thursday it had no credible evidence that would lead to federal criminal charges. A law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press that the federal investigation is now inactive unless new information emerges. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the federal case remains open."

[Edited 4/26/18 6:22am]

bondno9 said:

PennyPurple said:

I thought the State's was closed but the Federal was still open??

Hmm ... after going back ... maybe fed case is still "open" even though they said it was "inactive."

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ARTICLE: "The U.S. attorney’s office also said Thursday it had no credible evidence that would lead to federal criminal charges. A law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press that the federal investigation is now inactive unless new information emerges. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the federal case remains open."

[Edited 4/26/18 6:22am]

Exactly. That was my understanding. So the case is not closed.