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Reply #90 posted 04/20/18 9:42am

bondno9

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HOLD UP! Meron said in her statement leaving Paislely at 10:30 pm - 11:00 pm on the eve of 4/20? Didn't reports come out that "someone" dropped him off around 8:00 but he was not seen afterwards???

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Reply #91 posted 04/20/18 9:45am

rogifan

XxAxX said:



rogifan said:


XxAxX said:




i used to work full-time on wrongful death cases in a law firm. i was the person who got the authorizations for release of information and obtained the state trooper accident scene photos, the accident report, incident report in cases involving domestic abuse and/or med malpractice, the autopsy report, medical records, and witness statements. once i was required to watch a video where a woman hanged herself in her prison cell and summarize it for my boss.

it was my job to print the material out, three-hole punch it and stick it all in a binder, then summarize it all for an attorney's review. i can only speak for myself, but the reason i'm reading the witness statements is to see exactly what each person said.

i'm not hardened to this kind of thing but i am able to distance myself from the shock of 'knowing'. it's not fun, and i've apologized to Prince's spirit (as with all wrongful death cases it's a little bit haunty to review this material) but i have to know.

not because i'm rolling around in muck because i think it smells good on me and not because i'm a voyeur, but just to see if i can put the pieces together. i'm good at that, even if it is no longer my official job.

the tragedy is shining through loud and clear.

no one had Prince's back. in the JPEG files some areas of the Park look neglected and in need of a good cleaning in some areas. makes me wonder what his staff actually did there. i sincerely doubt some of the parties' statements and it feels like a lot is going unsaid in order to either protect Prince's privacy or those who were involved.

at this point i'm wondering whether the entire file was released to the public to see if ayone out there can shed light on the details which escape the investigators who didn't know Prince's work. or maybe so that a superfan will review the material and connect the dots.

i'm especially intrigued by all of the telephone numbers jotted on bits of paper scattered around. wonder if the numbers were investigated thoroughly and etc.

it's overwhelming so i haven't finished the review yet. maybe this wekend. i love Prince more than ever now and respect him deeply. he was indeed brave and strong.



I get it but at the same time I don’t, if you know what I mean. Connect the dots and do what? Are some people not going to rest until they have someone from Prince’s inner circle in jail?



we're all different. it's okay that we're different. some of us feel the need and others might not. please understand i mean absolutely no disrespect to Prince.


Oh no, no disrespect to you at all. I don’t see any good coming from it. It’ll just make more people angry/sad. Hopefully it doesn’t make some nut job so angry that they so something they’ll later regret.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
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Reply #92 posted 04/20/18 9:51am

kmama07

bondno9 said:

HOLD UP! Meron said in her statement leaving Paislely at 10:30 pm - 11:00 pm on the eve of 4/20? Didn't reports come out that "someone" dropped him off around 8:00 but he was not seen afterwards???


Yet another reason I am one who is interested to read the actual records and compare to the PR spin we have been fed.
[Edited 4/20/18 9:53am]
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Reply #93 posted 04/20/18 10:05am

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poppys said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Just when I thought this couldn't hurt anymore than it aleady does, I made the mistake of scrolling through my FB timeline just now and I saw Prince...PRINCE...MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! Just left on the floor like a piece of garbage soon to be disposed of. The core of my very soul aches. disbelief


It really is overboard. Way beyond people's right to know. What about Prince's dignity and people who DON'T want to see all that? There's a fucking Toyota commercial before the video of him going in the clinic - in his hometown paper. Cha-ching. He would be horrified in so many ways. Doesn't that count?

Anyone that says they are downloading the zip files just to see footage of Paisley Park and the Vault is disingenious. I don't care if you want to look, but don't pretend that you spent all those hours downloading and "accidentally" saw Prince, and then come back here to "warn" us. Check yourselves, please.

I'm one of the ones who down loaded the files. I didn't accidentally look at anything, I looked. We are warning the others who don't want to see the video, not to download zipfile 3. If you would rather us not warn anybody, that's fine too.

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Reply #94 posted 04/20/18 10:06am

Hamad

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I had to hear about the Elevator pics heads up from a friend earlier this morning, I'm avoiding social media when it comes to Prince news these days, too overwhelming to handle.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

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Reply #95 posted 04/20/18 10:06am

poppys

kmama07 said:

bondno9 said:

HOLD UP! Meron said in her statement leaving Paislely at 10:30 pm - 11:00 pm on the eve of 4/20? Didn't reports come out that "someone" dropped him off around 8:00 but he was not seen afterwards???


Yet another reason I am one who is interested to read the actual records and compare to the PR spin we have been fed.

You can bet very few in PR actually read.

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Reply #96 posted 04/20/18 10:11am

PennyPurple

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disch said:

I've read many of the interview transcripts, and it's interesting that they do provide information about a number of topics that have caused months of dicussion here:

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The PP security cameras: Kirk claimed they were all deactivated sometime prior to 2009. He alludes to Prince having some issues around being surveilled (there was much discussion here that the cameras were turned off just before Prince's death, which is not true per Kirk).

-

The timing and events in Moline: Per Judith, the doctors implored Prince to get additional testing there to figure out exactly what caused the near-death experience (it took 2 Narcan shots to revive him). They said he could be in danger if they didn't get more info about it. He understood but said he didn't want the testing done there (privacy reasons), so it wasn't done.

-

He told Judith that he had combined different pillw and he wouldn't do that again (perhaps he genuinely thought that is was the particular combination of pills that caused the reaction, and didn't suspect that at least one of the pills was fentanyl-tainted?). She wanted him to promise "no more pills."

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Per Kirk, they stayed in Moline for several hours only because they had to wait for the plane to be ready. Kirk apparently said something at the hospital that he was surprised Prince was "doing this/did this again" (I'm paraphrasing here).

-

The "serious illness" theory: There's nothing in anything I've read that alludes to Prince having a serious illness like cancer. No one mentions him complaining of anything other than tingling/pain in his hands and leg (he saw a chiropractor in his final weeks) and vomiting. In the interviews the people say he seemed generally healthy, but thinner lately and having the "flu." He had no regular doctor (per Kirk) and Dr S said he had seen Prince only twice (the 2 April appointments).

-

What tests Dr S conducted the day before Prince died (that he was bringing to PP that day): Per Dr S' interview, it was standard blood work (basically what you'd have in a routine physical) and urinalysis for opioids. The only thing notable in the blood work was slight anemia, and the urinalysis did come back positive for opioids.

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Kirk and Judith imply it was a big step to get Prince to agree to this kind of testing at all.

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The backward clothes: Judith did mention that he typically wore his tank tops inside out. The clothes he was found in were the same clothes he was wearing the day before.

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The location of his body: He was found in the elevator. The report says he was moved out of the elevator by the paramedic.

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What those in the inner circle knew: They (kirk, judith, meron, larry, josh, hannah) were all adament that they had no idea P had a pain-pill problem, at least not until the last days of his life. Judith and Kirk said that in retrospect that did allow them to put some "clues" together (such as P's mood swings). Kirk said that P did say the day before he died that he wanted to 'talk to someone" about helping with his problem. There are a couple allusions (by Omarr and Dr S, I believe) to Mani knowing something about drug use during their marriage.

[Edited 4/20/18 9:17am]

Is it your feeling that Kirk really didn't know he was using drugs, or just acting like he didn't know and staying tight lipped.

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Reply #97 posted 04/20/18 10:12am

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A lot of UK press have the video up and the pictures. I have no interest in seeing them. Absolutely no need for them to release the footage etc for public viewing. Its sensationalist media sites like TMZ that mean the normal press have to play catchup by following suit. I'd much rather remember Prince as the truly innovative and one of a kind artist he was and of course still is.
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Reply #98 posted 04/20/18 10:14am

PennyPurple

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bondno9 said:

HOLD UP! Meron said in her statement leaving Paislely at 10:30 pm - 11:00 pm on the eve of 4/20? Didn't reports come out that "someone" dropped him off around 8:00 but he was not seen afterwards???

He went to his private living quarters which was off limits to them. They stayed and worked.

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Reply #99 posted 04/20/18 10:17am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


It really is overboard. Way beyond people's right to know. What about Prince's dignity and people who DON'T want to see all that? There's a fucking Toyota commercial before the video of him going in the clinic - in his hometown paper. Cha-ching. He would be horrified in so many ways. Doesn't that count?

Anyone that says they are downloading the zip files just to see footage of Paisley Park and the Vault is disingenious. I don't care if you want to look, but don't pretend that you spent all those hours downloading and "accidentally" saw Prince, and then come back here to "warn" us. Check yourselves, please.


I'm one of the ones who down loaded the files. I didn't accidentally look at anything, I looked. We are warning the others who don't want to see the video, not to download zipfile 3. If you would rather us not warn anybody, that's fine too.


What? I know you downloaded the files, I was here all last night if you recall. This is not about you. If you read more of my posts, I downloaded some too.

I still stand by what I wrote above. People ran here and reported the same thing over as "news" and "helping us out". Didn't even bother to read one post above theirs.

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Reply #100 posted 04/20/18 10:18am

PennyPurple

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People have said so much on this forum and half of it that they took for truth, wasn't true.

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Reply #101 posted 04/20/18 10:18am

Mumio

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XxAxX said:


imo there are quite a few discrepancies

Yes.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #102 posted 04/20/18 10:20am

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I Would Die 4 U
I'm not a woman
I'm not a man
I am something that U'll never understand
I'll never beat U
I'll never lie
And if U're evil I'll 4give U by and by
'Cause U, I would die 4 U, yeah
Darling if U want me to
You, I would die 4 U
I'm not ur lover
I'm not ur friend
I am something that u'll never comprehend
No need 2 worry
No need 2 cry
I'm ur messiah and u're the reason why
'Cause U, I would die 4 U, yeah
Darling if U want me 2
U, I would die 4 U
u're just a sinner I am told
B ur fire when u're cold
Make U happy when u're sad
Make U good when U are bad
I'm not a human
I am a dove
I'm ur conscious
I am love
All I really need is 2 know that
You believe
Yeah, I would die 4 U, yeah
Darling if U want me 2
U, I would die 4 U
Yeah, say one more time
U, I would die 4 U
Darling if U want me 2
U, I would die 4 U
Two, three, 4 U
I would die 4 U
I would die 4 U
U, I would die 4 U
U, I would die 4 U
Songwriters: Prince Rogers Nelson
lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc,

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #103 posted 04/20/18 10:26am

poppys

^^ Why do you keep posting this song?

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Reply #104 posted 04/20/18 10:34am

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XxAxX said:

rogifan said:

poppys said: I hate it. And no disrespect to anyone but what is the point of downloading this stuff and pouring over all these files? What are you hoping to accomplish? And when someone says “good stuff in there” what do they mean? Juicy gossip? Sad. Sad. Sad. [Edited 4/20/18 8:50am]



i used to work full-time on wrongful death cases in a law firm. i was the person who got the authorizations for release of information and obtained the state trooper accident scene photos, the accident report, incident report in cases involving domestic abuse and/or med malpractice, the autopsy report, medical records, and witness statements. once i was required to watch a video where a woman hanged herself in her prison cell and summarize it for my boss.

it was my job to print the material out, three-hole punch it and stick it all in a binder, then summarize it all for an attorney's review. i can only speak for myself, but the reason i'm reading the witness statements is to see exactly what each person said.

i'm not hardened to this kind of thing but i am able to distance myself from the shock of 'knowing'. it's not fun, and i've apologized to Prince's spirit (as with all wrongful death cases it's a little bit haunty to review this material) but i have to know.

not because i'm rolling around in muck because i think it smells good on me and not because i'm a voyeur, but just to see if i can put the pieces together. i'm good at that, even if it is no longer my official job.

the tragedy is shining through loud and clear.

no one had Prince's back. in the JPEG files some areas of the Park look neglected and in need of a good cleaning. makes me wonder what his staff actually did there. i sincerely doubt some of the parties' statements and it feels like a lot is going unsaid in order to either protect Prince's privacy or those who were involved.

at this point i'm wondering whether the entire file was released to the public to see if ayone out there can shed light on the details which escape the investigators who didn't know Prince's work. or maybe so that a superfan or one of his friends will review the material and connect the dots.

i'm especially intrigued by all of the telephone numbers jotted on bits of paper scattered around. wonder if the numbers were investigated thoroughly and etc.

it's overwhelming so i haven't finished the review yet. maybe this wekend. i love Prince more than ever now and respect him deeply. he was indeed brave and strong.

ps: i think it's really important we all spend time praying, meditating, or whatever on the good things Prince did. his talent and ability, his generous and loving side. to really celebrate his life and not let this release of information overshadow that. just my opinion

[Edited 4/20/18 9:21am]



Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #105 posted 04/20/18 10:43am

kmama07

PennyPurple said:



disch said:


I've read many of the interview transcripts, and it's interesting that they do provide information about a number of topics that have caused months of dicussion here:


-


The PP security cameras: Kirk claimed they were all deactivated sometime prior to 2009. He alludes to Prince having some issues around being surveilled (there was much discussion here that the cameras were turned off just before Prince's death, which is not true per Kirk).


-


The timing and events in Moline: Per Judith, the doctors implored Prince to get additional testing there to figure out exactly what caused the near-death experience (it took 2 Narcan shots to revive him). They said he could be in danger if they didn't get more info about it. He understood but said he didn't want the testing done there (privacy reasons), so it wasn't done.


-


He told Judith that he had combined different pillw and he wouldn't do that again (perhaps he genuinely thought that is was the particular combination of pills that caused the reaction, and didn't suspect that at least one of the pills was fentanyl-tainted?). She wanted him to promise "no more pills."


-


Per Kirk, they stayed in Moline for several hours only because they had to wait for the plane to be ready. Kirk apparently said something at the hospital that he was surprised Prince was "doing this/did this again" (I'm paraphrasing here).


-


The "serious illness" theory: There's nothing in anything I've read that alludes to Prince having a serious illness like cancer. No one mentions him complaining of anything other than tingling/pain in his hands and leg (he saw a chiropractor in his final weeks) and vomiting. In the interviews the people say he seemed generally healthy, but thinner lately and having the "flu." He had no regular doctor (per Kirk) and Dr S said he had seen Prince only twice (the 2 April appointments).


-


What tests Dr S conducted the day before Prince died (that he was bringing to PP that day): Per Dr S' interview, it was standard blood work (basically what you'd have in a routine physical) and urinalysis for opioids. The only thing notable in the blood work was slight anemia, and the urinalysis did come back positive for opioids.


-


Kirk and Judith imply it was a big step to get Prince to agree to this kind of testing at all.


-


The backward clothes: Judith did mention that he typically wore his tank tops inside out. The clothes he was found in were the same clothes he was wearing the day before.


-


The location of his body: He was found in the elevator. The report says he was moved out of the elevator by the paramedic.


-


What those in the inner circle knew: They (kirk, judith, meron, larry, josh, hannah) were all adament that they had no idea P had a pain-pill problem, at least not until the last days of his life. Judith and Kirk said that in retrospect that did allow them to put some "clues" together (such as P's mood swings). Kirk said that P did say the day before he died that he wanted to 'talk to someone" about helping with his problem. There are a couple allusions (by Omarr and Dr S, I believe) to Mani knowing something about drug use during their marriage.


[Edited 4/20/18 9:17am]



Is it your feeling that Kirk really didn't know he was using drugs, or just acting like he didn't know and staying tight lipped.


Apologies. I know I'm interrupting your conversation with Disch.

I believe he had to have known. Why the secret Dr correspondence/phone calls and why the prescriptions in his name? Someone in the Prince circle was either getting or helping him get the counterfeit pills (not knowing they were cut with fetinyl).

I don't believe there was a conspiracy to kill Prince, or that Prince committed suicide or that he had a fatal illness such as cancer. I believe he had a dependency on pain killers that simply got away from him. And by procuring non-prescription "prescription" pills off the street, he rolled the dice with his own life by not knowing what may or may not be in those pills.

It's a sad, sucky situation.
[Edited 4/20/18 11:02am]
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Reply #106 posted 04/20/18 10:50am

morningsong

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


It really is overboard. Way beyond people's right to know. What about Prince's dignity and people who DON'T want to see all that? There's a fucking Toyota commercial before the video of him going in the clinic - in his hometown paper. Cha-ching. He would be horrified in so many ways. Doesn't that count?

Anyone that says they are downloading the zip files just to see footage of Paisley Park and the Vault is disingenious. I don't care if you want to look, but don't pretend that you spent all those hours downloading and "accidentally" saw Prince, and then come back here to "warn" us. Check yourselves, please.

I'm one of the ones who down loaded the files. I didn't accidentally look at anything, I looked. We are warning the others who don't want to see the video, not to download zipfile 3. If you would rather us not warn anybody, that's fine too.



Thank you for the warning, in case I do decide, right now I can't. But I still appreciate the warnings.

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Reply #107 posted 04/20/18 10:55am

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Where are people getting all the evidence file zips from? I'd love to read the entire case.

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Reply #108 posted 04/20/18 11:03am

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Can someone please upload the entire case files on here ( minus his dead body) my phone can't download it
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Reply #109 posted 04/20/18 11:03am

kmama07

SquirrelMeat said:

Where are people getting all the evidence file zips from? I'd love to read the entire case.


Carver County Sheriff website
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Reply #110 posted 04/20/18 11:07am

SquirrelMeat

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kmama07 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Where are people getting all the evidence file zips from? I'd love to read the entire case.

Carver County Sheriff website


Might be overloaded. I'd tried the FTP link on their site and the page in unavailable.

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Reply #111 posted 04/20/18 11:08am

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kmama07 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Where are people getting all the evidence file zips from? I'd love to read the entire case.

Carver County Sheriff website

Can anyone access and download right now? I got files 1, 3, 4 last night but today cant connect to get 2 and 5. :-/

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Reply #112 posted 04/20/18 11:10am

poppys

Luv posted the link on the first post here - Part 6. There are millions of items in the files. No way we can upload to the org.

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Reply #113 posted 04/20/18 11:30am

kmama07

jtfolden said:



kmama07 said:


SquirrelMeat said:

Where are people getting all the evidence file zips from? I'd love to read the entire case.



Carver County Sheriff website

Can anyone access and download right now? I got files 1, 3, 4 last night but today cant connect to get 2 and 5. :-/


Website now says they are experiencing technical difficulties
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Reply #114 posted 04/20/18 11:34am

Bodhitheblackd
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PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


It really is overboard. Way beyond people's right to know. What about Prince's dignity and people who DON'T want to see all that? There's a fucking Toyota commercial before the video of him going in the clinic - in his hometown paper. Cha-ching. He would be horrified in so many ways. Doesn't that count?

Anyone that says they are downloading the zip files just to see footage of Paisley Park and the Vault is disingenious. I don't care if you want to look, but don't pretend that you spent all those hours downloading and "accidentally" saw Prince, and then come back here to "warn" us. Check yourselves, please.

I'm one of the ones who down loaded the files. I didn't accidentally look at anything, I looked. We are warning the others who don't want to see the video, not to download zipfile 3. If you would rather us not warn anybody, that's fine too.

Thanks for everything you do here, Penny. Knowledge is power...people shouldn't be afraid of the truth.

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Reply #115 posted 04/20/18 11:36am

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I hope everyone is doing okay, after the day we all had yesterday. I have not even seen the documents yet. Yesterday was an extrememly overwhelming and emotional day, to say the least.

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I am thankful that we have this place, Prince.Org to come and share our grief and give each other support.

.

Last night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer for Prince. If you are not religious or spiritual, you may find it corny, but this is what I said in my prayer:

.

Prince:

.

I am so very sorry what happened to you. I'm so sorry you were in so much pain and suffering. Please know that we all love you, more than words can ever say, and we miss you immensely. Please know that we hold no judgment against you. You are not in pain any longer. You are at peace now. Your legacy is your music, and we will cherish that forever. Thank you for blessing all of us with your wit, charm, talents and beautiful music. You inspired so many people and have touched so many people with your music and your beautiful spirit. Rest in God's eternal love. prince heart

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #116 posted 04/20/18 11:42am

poppys

Bodhitheblackdog said:

poppys said:

It really is overboard. Way beyond people's right to know. What about Prince's dignity and people who DON'T want to see all that? There's a fucking Toyota commercial before the video of him going in the clinic - in his hometown paper. Cha-ching. He would be horrified in so many ways. Doesn't that count?

Anyone that says they are downloading the zip files just to see footage of Paisley Park and the Vault is disingenious. I don't care if you want to look, but don't pretend that you spent all those hours downloading and "accidentally" saw Prince, and then come back here to "warn" us. Check yourselves, please.

PennyPurple said:

I'm one of the ones who down loaded the files. I didn't accidentally look at anything, I looked. We are warning the others who don't want to see the video, not to download zipfile 3. If you would rather us not warn anybody, that's fine too.


Thanks for everything you do here, Penny. Knowledge is power...people shouldn't be afraid of the truth.


Please don't use this post^^ this way, I am not afraid of the truth, there was context in my REPLY to Hatrina.

Last time I checked, Penny and I are cool. peace

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Reply #117 posted 04/20/18 11:43am

Bodhitheblackd
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cloveringold85 said:

I hope everyone is doing okay, after the day we all had yesterday. I have not even seen the documents yet. Yesterday was an extrememly overwhelming and emotional day, to say the least.

.

I am thankful that we have this place, Prince.Org to come and share our grief and give each other support.

.

Last night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer for Prince. If you are not religious or spiritual, you may find it corny, but this is what I said in my prayer:

.

Prince:

.

I am so very sorry what happened to you. I'm so sorry you were in so much pain and suffering. Please know that we all love you, more than words can ever say, and we miss you immensely. Please know that we hold no judgment against you. You are not in pain any longer. You are at peace now. Your legacy is your music, and we will cherish that forever. Thank you for blessing all of us with your wit, charm, talents and beautiful music. You inspired so many people and have touched so many people with your music and your beautiful spirit. Rest in God's eternal love. prince heart

very sweet, Clover...no one in the history of the universe ever got in trouble by taking the high road, sending good vibes out to other souls, proferring forgiveness or being generous with their love.

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Reply #118 posted 04/20/18 11:46am

poppys

cloveringold85 said:

I hope everyone is doing okay, after the day we all had yesterday. I have not even seen the documents yet. Yesterday was an extrememly overwhelming and emotional day, to say the least.

.

I am thankful that we have this place, Prince.Org to come and share our grief and give each other support.

.

Last night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer for Prince. If you are not religious or spiritual, you may find it corny, but this is what I said in my prayer:

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Prince:

.

I am so very sorry what happened to you. I'm so sorry you were in so much pain and suffering. Please know that we all love you, more than words can ever say, and we miss you immensely. Please know that we hold no judgment against you. You are not in pain any longer. You are at peace now. Your legacy is your music, and we will cherish that forever. Thank you for blessing all of us with your wit, charm, talents and beautiful music. You inspired so many people and have touched so many people with your music and your beautiful spirit. Rest in God's eternal love. prince heart

heart your beautiful pray thank you for posting it.

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Reply #119 posted 04/20/18 11:46am

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I'm looking at pictures from May, 2016 of the room you enter on the way to the Vault. The floor is covered in Master tapes.... one is dated 4/3/82 and labeled Warner/Prince "Extra Lovable" and " 3 x 2 = 6"... lots of others... and there are lots of boxes, one says "from bedroom". Seems like stuff was being collected from around PP.

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