poppys said:

We all need one big group hug right now!!

.

To love is to know PRINCE. To know PRINCE is to Love!!

.

I know he is looking down on us with a warm smile. He feels our love!

XxAxX said:

disch said:

I did see that, yes. He was complaing of pain running down his leg.

-

I have to say, for all the talk here that he was incapacitated with hip pain or similar, there's very little mention of that in the interviews. No one really mentions noticing that he had trouble walking or anything like, or about him complaining of it. Judith said he complained of pain in his hands, and in early April he complained of the tingling and numbness in his arms and leg. Kirk I think alludes to him limping one day, and Kirk told Dr S that "hip pain" was the reason P needed the percocets, but that was pretty much it.

-

Also there was a lot of talk here about how unusual it was he was found in the elevator. Judith says that in fact he used the elevator "all the time."

[Edited 4/20/18 9:24am]

imo there are quite a few discrepancies

I work with elderly and disabled individuals, and the description being given, sounds a lot like peripheral neuropathy. Peripheral neuropathy is damage to the peripheral nerves and results in a tingling, painful, or burning sensation in the extremities. It most commonly occurs in the legs. Other symptoms of peripheral neuropathy can include weakness and numbness.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

So Kirk told Shulenberg that other people in Prince's inner circle knew that the opiates issue was going on for a number of years...page 125 of the statement transcript which is Shulenberg's interview with the police...

Kirk on the other hand says that he only learned of the opiates problem the around the Moline incident...weird...I thought Kirk was part of the 'inner circle'...

cloveringold85 said:

I hope everyone is doing okay, after the day we all had yesterday. I have not even seen the documents yet. Yesterday was an extrememly overwhelming and emotional day, to say the least.

.

I am thankful that we have this place, Prince.Org to come and share our grief and give each other support.

.

Last night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer for Prince. If you are not religious or spiritual, you may find it corny, but this is what I said in my prayer:

.

Prince:

.

I am so very sorry what happened to you. I'm so sorry you were in so much pain and suffering. Please know that we all love you, more than words can ever say, and we miss you immensely. Please know that we hold no judgment against you. You are not in pain any longer. You are at peace now. Your legacy is your music, and we will cherish that forever. Thank you for blessing all of us with your wit, charm, talents and beautiful music. You inspired so many people and have touched so many people with your music and your beautiful spirit. Rest in God's eternal love.

That is such a beautiful prayer. Thank you for sharing it.

cloveringold85 said:

I hope everyone is doing okay, after the day we all had yesterday. I have not even seen the documents yet. Yesterday was an extrememly overwhelming and emotional day, to say the least.

.

I am thankful that we have this place, Prince.Org to come and share our grief and give each other support.

.

Last night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer for Prince. If you are not religious or spiritual, you may find it corny, but this is what I said in my prayer:

.

Prince:

.

I am so very sorry what happened to you. I'm so sorry you were in so much pain and suffering. Please know that we all love you, more than words can ever say, and we miss you immensely. Please know that we hold no judgment against you. You are not in pain any longer. You are at peace now. Your legacy is your music, and we will cherish that forever. Thank you for blessing all of us with your wit, charm, talents and beautiful music. You inspired so many people and have touched so many people with your music and your beautiful spirit. Rest in God's eternal love.

Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

pinkeekeen said:

cloveringold85 said:

We all need one big group hug right now!!

.

To love is to know PRINCE. To know PRINCE is to Love!!

.

I know he is looking down on us with a warm smile. He feels our love!

💜💜💜 I hope he is I’ve been feeling sick. Yesterday I went from happy to heartbroken.

.

I know that sickening feeling in the pit of your stomach. As painful as it was to see those images of Prince laying lifeless on the floor, it helps a lot of us find closure with his death. We now know more of what he was dealing with. I know he is at peace now and he wouldn't want any of us to be sad.

.

"Cry for love, not for pain".

--PRN

camilleisfunky said:

So Kirk told Shulenberg that other people in Prince's inner circle knew that the opiates issue was going on for a number of years...page 125 of the statement transcript which is Shulenberg's interview with the police...

Kirk on the other hand says that he only learned of the opiates problem the around the Moline incident...weird...I thought Kirk was part of the 'inner circle'...

.

I know, I don't understand that either. How could Kirk only have known about Prince's issues with pills just weeks before he died? Seems unlikely, if you ask me.

what is heartbreaking is that Prince asked for help following the Moline incident and the wheels were in motion to get him help. It's like everything happened in the blink of an eye or so they make it seem...

Question, since I am yet to read all the documents, did Prince take genuine Vicodin as well or only the counterfeit one? If he took the genuine one, who gave that to him? how did he obtain it?

dandan said:

What was the white powder on the countertop tested and identified as?

.

I would like to know too! That was weird.

camilleisfunky said:

So Kirk told Shulenberg that other people in Prince's inner circle knew that the opiates issue was going on for a number of years...page 125 of the statement transcript which is Shulenberg's interview with the police...

Kirk on the other hand says that he only learned of the opiates problem the around the Moline incident...weird...I thought Kirk was part of the 'inner circle'...

IF it was a longer addiction problem, there were probably ebbs & flows. Kirk may have held back and still not be guilty of anything, except bad judgement on a speeding train. It is SO easy to blame Kirk.

The Star Tribune today said he cradled Prince like a baby and carried him down the steps of the plane in Moline to get Narcan from the paramedics. That is heartbreaking and does not sound like someone scheming for Prince's demise. The lieutenant is not chosen for being the brightest bub.

camilleisfunky said:

what is heartbreaking is that Prince asked for help following the Moline incident and the wheels were in motion to get him help. It's like everything happened in the blink of an eye or so they make it seem...

Question, since I am yet to read all the documents, did Prince take genuine Vicodin as well or only the counterfeit one? If he took the genuine one, who gave that to him? how did he obtain it?

.

Seeing Prince walking into Dr. Schulenberg's office is proof that he wanted to get help and get off the pills. He did not seem "agitated" at all, from what many of us can tell. Also, did you notice Prince was not walking with a "cane", or limping? He seemed to be walking fine, imo.

.

My heads a mess right now, but I don't think Prince was ever prescribed Vicodin.

poppys said:

camilleisfunky said:

So Kirk told Shulenberg that other people in Prince's inner circle knew that the opiates issue was going on for a number of years...page 125 of the statement transcript which is Shulenberg's interview with the police...

Kirk on the other hand says that he only learned of the opiates problem the around the Moline incident...weird...I thought Kirk was part of the 'inner circle'...

IF it was a longer addiction problem, there were probably ebbs & flows. Kirk may have held back and still not be guilty of anything, except bad judgement on a speeding train. It is SO easy to blame Kirk.

The Star Tribune today said he cradled Prince like a baby and carried him down the steps of the plane in Moline to get Narcan from the paramedics. That is heartbreaking and does not sound like someone scheming for Prince's demise. The lieutenant is not chosen for being the brightest bub.

totally, agreed, I wasn't blaming Kirk, I just found that was inconsistent in the declarations, but put yourself in his shoes, what were you gonna say?...

cloveringold85 said:

camilleisfunky said:

what is heartbreaking is that Prince asked for help following the Moline incident and the wheels were in motion to get him help. It's like everything happened in the blink of an eye or so they make it seem...

Question, since I am yet to read all the documents, did Prince take genuine Vicodin as well or only the counterfeit one? If he took the genuine one, who gave that to him? how did he obtain it?

.

Seeing Prince walking into Dr. Schulenberg's office is proof that he wanted to get help and get off the pills. He did not seem "agitated" at all, from what many of us can tell. Also, did you notice Prince was not walking with a "cane", or limping? He seemed to be walking fine, imo.

.

My heads a mess right now, but I don't think Prince was ever prescribed Vicodin.

I mean, he even agreed to the blood and urine tests...so sad...

Do you know why he had a bump on his wrist under the blue tape? it seems to me that there is a bump...

camilleisfunky said:

poppys said:

IF it was a longer addiction problem, there were probably ebbs & flows. Kirk may have held back and still not be guilty of anything, except bad judgement on a speeding train. It is SO easy to blame Kirk.

The Star Tribune today said he cradled Prince like a baby and carried him down the steps of the plane in Moline to get Narcan from the paramedics. That is heartbreaking and does not sound like someone scheming for Prince's demise. The lieutenant is not chosen for being the brightest bub.

totally, agreed, I wasn't blaming Kirk, I just found that was inconsistent in the declarations, but put yourself in his shoes, what were you gonna say?...

big

poppys said:

camilleisfunky said:

So Kirk told Shulenberg that other people in Prince's inner circle knew that the opiates issue was going on for a number of years...page 125 of the statement transcript which is Shulenberg's interview with the police...

Kirk on the other hand says that he only learned of the opiates problem the around the Moline incident...weird...I thought Kirk was part of the 'inner circle'...

IF it was a longer addiction problem, there were probably ebbs & flows. Kirk may have held back and still not be guilty of anything, except bad judgement on a speeding train. It is SO easy to blame Kirk.

The Star Tribune today said he cradled Prince like a baby and carried him down the steps of the plane in Moline to get Narcan from the paramedics. That is heartbreaking and does not sound like someone scheming for Prince's demise. The lieutenant is not chosen for being the brightest bub.

.

So true!!

.

After seeing the pictures, videos and Kirk's text messages with Dr. Schulenberg, It's clear that he was trying to help his friend, Prince. I can't imagine the stress of trying to get a friend help, and trying to be discreet about it. I have changed my opinion about Kirk. I do believe he was trying to help Prince. However, I still do question his statements regarding how long he knew of Prince's problem with pills. I do believe he knows more than what he told investigators. I have a hard time believing that Kirk was not aware of the illegal pills.

camilleisfunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Seeing Prince walking into Dr. Schulenberg's office is proof that he wanted to get help and get off the pills. He did not seem "agitated" at all, from what many of us can tell. Also, did you notice Prince was not walking with a "cane", or limping? He seemed to be walking fine, imo.

.

My heads a mess right now, but I don't think Prince was ever prescribed Vicodin.

I mean, he even agreed to the blood and urine tests...so sad...

Do you know why he had a bump on his wrist under the blue tape? it seems to me that there is a bump...

.

I have not seen the bump on his wrist. It could be from when he was getting I.V. fluids, perhaps?

cloveringold85 said:

poppys said:

IF it was a longer addiction problem, there were probably ebbs & flows. Kirk may have held back and still not be guilty of anything, except bad judgement on a speeding train. It is SO easy to blame Kirk.

The Star Tribune today said he cradled Prince like a baby and carried him down the steps of the plane in Moline to get Narcan from the paramedics. That is heartbreaking and does not sound like someone scheming for Prince's demise. The lieutenant is not chosen for being the brightest bub.

.

So true!!

.

After seeing the pictures, videos and Kirk's text messages with Dr. Schulenberg, It's clear that he was trying to help his friend, Prince. I can't imagine the stress of trying to get a friend help, and trying to be discreet about it. I have changed my opinion about Kirk. I do believe he was trying to help Prince. However, I still do question his statements regarding how long he knew of Prince's problem with pills. I do believe he knows more than what he told investigators. I have a hard time believing that Kirk was not aware of the illegal pills.

Agree.

disch said:

-

The "serious illness" theory: There's nothing in anything I've read that alludes to Prince having a serious illness like cancer. No one mentions him complaining of anything other than tingling/pain in his hands and leg (he saw a chiropractor in his final weeks) and vomiting. In the interviews the people say he seemed generally healthy, but thinner lately and having the "flu." He had no regular doctor (per Kirk) and Dr S said he had seen Prince only twice (the 2 April appointments).

------------------------------------

there was a filled prescription bottle of Ondansetron, filled at Walgreens, that P was taking, that was prescribed to Kirk Johnson...Onadansetron is used to relieve the extreme nausea caused by chemotharapy and HIV/AIDS medicines...

RJOrion said:

dandan said:

cloveringold85 said:

camilleisfunky said:

I mean, he even agreed to the blood and urine tests...so sad...

Do you know why he had a bump on his wrist under the blue tape? it seems to me that there is a bump...

.

I have not seen the bump on his wrist. It could be from when he was getting I.V. fluids, perhaps?

maybe, I don't know, I lack a medical background...still...I agree with you that Kirk probably knew of the addiction...maybe he trusted Prince self administering the Vicodin and only realized it was life threatening only on the airplane...and that when he actioned, that's when he tried to get him help. But that was a big gamble nonetheless to take pills from the streets for God knows how long...and look what happened...

This is pure ignorance on my behalf, but I'll ask it anyways - is there a difference between addiction to pain medication and using that medication recreationally? like, was Prince hooked on it because of his hip pain and couldn't stop or was he using it recreationally? or both?

Judith's statement said at the hospital Prince admitted to Kirk and her that there were pills in the aspirin bottles. Apparently Kirk asked Prince where he got the pills and Prince didnt answer.

camilleisfunky said:

what is heartbreaking is that Prince asked for help following the Moline incident and the wheels were in motion to get him help. It's like everything happened in the blink of an eye or so they make it seem...

Question, since I am yet to read all the documents, did Prince take genuine Vicodin as well or only the counterfeit one? If he took the genuine one, who gave that to him? how did he obtain it?

Here's where my antanne goes haywire..

Prince was given Pecocet, NOT Vicodin via KJ and Dr.S. Percocet is not a physical "replica" of Vicodin, so MY question to this Mentz guy is Where the hell does he get off thinking Prince "didn't know"....

Prince MAY not have known that Fentanyl was laced in the drug, but I'm quite sure that he was aware that the fake pill was not the prescribed percocet. JMO

cloveringold85 said:

dandan said:

What was the white powder on the countertop tested and identified as?

.

I would like to know too! That was weird.

I know this sounds horrible, but my first thought was "he pressed his own pills "...to "leave no trace" with his uber private self...I know, smack me.