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Reply #720 posted 04/22/18 8:10am

poppys

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.


Also to note;

In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp.

Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice.

Must have been Scottie Baldwin. He was in Australia with Prince and left.


LOL. My ex is a musician - a really good one. Trust me, there is nobody musicians hate more than sound guys that can't/won't give you the right balance. Many of them are pompous knob twiddlers that think they know way more than actual musicians. They can make or break you onstage if things aren't turnt up or down correctly. P was a super perfectionist about his performances. The photo, I think it's in Afshin's book, with P sitting in the empty seats at Essence Festival checking the sound in every section? That's how far he went with it. Erratic behavior toward a sound guy is extremely normal even for mere mortal artists.

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Reply #721 posted 04/22/18 8:11am

purplerabbitho
le

its more subtle than that. On George Lopez, Lopez mentioned that Prince donated some many dollars to charity (2 million) and prince said "oh, that much". I imagine Prince wanted him to mention it. That being said, he also gave anonymously. I think she was exagerrating a bit to make her point and probably thought a man as rich as Prince should give half his shit away or something. (I know that harlem school got music.) Its all relative. He was generous but he wasn't willy nilly with it. It was many little gestures like buying out shelves of food at the grocery store to give to local homeless--that's in the reports as well.

benni said:

purplerabbithole said:

Read the reports. Its testimony from Kiran Sharma. She said he could be generous but if it was over 1 million he tended to want some attention for it. She was trying to make the point that large sums of money being taken out should be looked into because she said apparently Lamkins told her that Prince asked for 60,000 in "spending cash". I can' t remember Sharma's statements about whether from his accounts she could determine drug usage.. She said there was no episode after the hip replacement that was scary but she said she didn't see much directly from her end. There were more than one handler around Prince obviously back then. At the end of his life, there were far fewer.

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Then it should be easy for you to prove. I've googled and cannot find one public announcement that Prince was donating a million dollars to any cause. I've found hundreds of articles about his silent philanthropy, things he gave that people talked about after his passing, but I cannot find ONE public announcement that was made that Prince was donating a million dollars to any cause. So, since you know it as a fact, that Prince needed to be recognized for giving away a million + it should be easy for you to prove that it was advertised, announced, or generally made public AT THE TIME it was happening.

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Reply #722 posted 04/22/18 8:11am

Menes

DD55 said:

purplegirl00 said:

pnv said: EXACTLY. If he was addicted or dependent for years, as many are suggesting, what was different about that time specific time period? Something changed big time and he lost his bearings and maybe will to go on. Depression and anxiety can and do come from deep grieving. I’m still going through the documents so I have not read everything but someone mentioned that he was prescribed Clonidine. Aside from helping overcome withdrawals, it is also prescribed for anxiety. I worked in a doctors office and often saw it prescribed for anxiety due to death of a loved one.

I’m sorry, it’s not that I don’t think P at one point in is life had a feelings for DM. I think much if his depression, grief and anxiety pertaining to her death is he saw what drugs did to her body and in the end she died much too soon because of the role drugs played in her life. Regardless of the reasons for taking drugs, I believe that Vanity’s death brought home the fact that he was facing the same fate due to years of drug use and the toll it took on his body. By the time Vanity died, we now know P’s drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own. IMHO, V’s death made him see the real possibility of his own future. Pretty scary.

~DD55

Your statement DD55 : " We now know that P's drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own", is the chief cornerstone of how he lived his life when not in the public's eye.

No one wants to label Prince an "addict"( especially the fanatics) but in reality, this is what he became. When that started is up for debate, but the actual condition/disease, is not up for debate.

Prince, can not be excluded from the countless scientific studies/data that supports that the brain of an addict is continuously tormented by numerous triggers. I would be willing to bet that seclusion, depression, anxiety, anger, hate , pain, were all triggers that fueled a pattern of usage.

Lastly, and most controversial ,is that the biggest triggers of them all, was his music and image. The two represent a vicious cycle of daily activity that can not be quantified as mutually exclusive.

A single chord structure, a light switch in Studio B, turning in after a show, waking up, looking at a piano, reading something about Denise, a jarred memory of a child , a song he heard on Spotify, etc. etc. etc... indicates triggers that are endless, and if ignored, is shear ignorance concerning the basic rudimentary functions of the human brain when addiction has set in . If it were not so, then Prince's brain should be placed in the Smithsonian as an example of the only brain that was not affected by a triggered activity that is perceived by the brain as a need as opposed to a want. Once you understand the science, you understand the pattern .

One should accept that this physical and psychological dependency , is in fact a disease . Terms used to describe this disease, are often crude, but it does not negate the fact that Prince represents the classic definition of an addict and can not be swept under the rug simply because you love Prince.

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Reply #723 posted 04/22/18 8:11am

DD55

endiadj said:

There are people on this site who just want to sh*t stir and some are giving them life. confused

I think you may be right to some extent, but remember this is a bombshell of a release so it’s only natural for people to what to share opinions, thoughts and discuss it. I also think in light of what we now know, in reality we knew almost nothing about P the man. He will forever remain the GOAT musical genius, but people must be allowed to discuss their thoughts and feelings.

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Reply #724 posted 04/22/18 8:12am

paulludvig

disch said:

Yes but there's no evidence Prince was talking just tylenol, even if he mentioned that drug to Dr S. In fact when Prince said to Dr S on April 20 that he had taken "tylenol" that day, Dr S pressed him on what else was in the "Tylenol" (Prince said he didn't know, I believe.) Tylenol (Acetaminophen) is one ingredient in opioid drugs like percocet.



paulludvig said:


ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


I thought I read somewhere that at least one pill was tested at the hospital and came back as Tylenol.


The doctor asked more than once that she be permitted to do bloodwork.


Each time P refused.




The brand name Tylenol keeps coming up. Isn't that relatively mild stuff as far as pain meds go?



Yes but Tylenol is not an opioid. Is it even a prescription medication or over the counter?
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Reply #725 posted 04/22/18 8:13am

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The urine test by Dr. S on 4-20-16 showed:

hydrocodone 253/mg/nl

hydromorphone 85/mg/nl

Hydromorphone is Dilaudid. I dont remember that any pills at PP coming back positive for Dilaudid.

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Reply #726 posted 04/22/18 8:16am

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le

I think we should love him more because he struggled. I don't like the image of the all powerful, svengali, never faultering music macine who acted difficult just for shits and giggles. I can more relate to the guy who lashed out because he was stressed out, lonely and misunderstood.

Menes said:

DD55 said:

I’m sorry, it’s not that I don’t think P at one point in is life had a feelings for DM. I think much if his depression, grief and anxiety pertaining to her death is he saw what drugs did to her body and in the end she died much too soon because of the role drugs played in her life. Regardless of the reasons for taking drugs, I believe that Vanity’s death brought home the fact that he was facing the same fate due to years of drug use and the toll it took on his body. By the time Vanity died, we now know P’s drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own. IMHO, V’s death made him see the real possibility of his own future. Pretty scary.

~DD55

Your statement DD55 : " We now know that P's drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own", is the chief cornerstone of how he lived his life when not in the public's eye.

No one wants to label Prince an "addict"( especially the fanatics) but in reality, this is what he became. When that started is up for debate, but the actual condition/disease, is not up for debate.

Prince, can not be excluded from the countless scientific studies/data that supports that the brain of an addict is continuously tormented by numerous triggers. I would be willing to bet that seclusion, depression, anxiety, anger, hate , pain, were all triggers that fueled a pattern of usage.

Lastly, and most controversial ,is that the biggest triggers of them all, was his music and image. The two represent a vicious cycle of daily activity that can not be quantified as mutually exclusive.

A single chord structure, a light switch in Studio B, turning in after a show, waking up, looking at a piano, reading something about Denise, a jarred memory of a child , a song he heard on Spotify, etc. etc. etc... indicates triggers that are endless, and if ignored, is shear ignorance concerning the basic rudimentary functions of the human brain when addiction has set in . If it were not so, then Prince's brain should be placed in the Smithsonian as an example of the only brain that was not affected by a triggered activity that is perceived by the brain as a need as opposed to a want. Once you understand the science, you understand the pattern .

One should accept that this physical and psychological dependency , is in fact a disease . Terms used to describe this disease, are often crude, but it does not negate the fact that Prince represents the classic definition of an addict and can not be swept under the rug simply because you love Prince.

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Reply #727 posted 04/22/18 8:17am

DD55

Onthe1jb said:

None of this is clear. I'm sorry if this is rambling or I am just saying something untrue. Please correct me where I'm clearly wrong or help with your views if you want...

This is seems very shady , looking at it from afar and then when you look into all the relesed documents. So it's a Law to release all the information to the public in Minnesota..It's morbid to show certain images, I guess as humans people are fascinated by the end but I believe that is grossly perpetuated by the media and I am firmly of the fact that so many things are not actually ' in the public interest' .If an article or image or video was deemed to be in the public interest and it was never shown, you would not in any way , get hoards of people protesting on the streets demanding they see the image of a person's dead body. It is not necessary, it really isn't. It benefits no one. The relationship between celebrities and the public has become very twisted. People who are murdered in cold blood on the streets, or in an apartment. Their pictures are not spread across the papers or acessed on the internet. So why celebrities.It really grates me. Nothing has changed.

Who knew about these Vicodin pills. Just Prince? So he knew someone and met him or her orr P got it off the dark web? And this dealer. Did they knew it was Prince they were speaking too. Doubtful but we will never know.Are they saying only Prince would have known who supplied him with the laced pills and there is no way of knowing who that is? That in itself is of course possible but there is always a trace. A number , a contact. Am i just being naive?

But when Prince needed help , he went to Kirk to get him medication? So for a long time no one had a clue. Apart from queries , like why Mayte's pills kept disappearing ( That in itself is a bit odd.After a while , it can't be that hard to figure out who was taking them. But she made it seem like they never confronted the issue. Mayte must have known more. But it does seem they all tried to get as much help as possible in the quickest time, but it was too late. It just all sucks.I'm angry and confused but those in Prince life along time ago, hinted at being aware of a dependancy. Kirk had no idea? Meron Bekure?

“There is no doubt that the actions of individuals closely associated with Prince will be questioned, criticized and judged in the days and weeks to come,”

Mr. Johnson’s lawyer, F. Clayton Tyler, said on Friday: “He tried to take care of his friend as best as he could. The bottom line is, if they had thought he’d done something wrong, they’d have charged him.”

That last line plus the only interview Kirk did , just rubs me the wrong way.

Then again ' Mr. Johnson also cautioned the authorities that “no one would talk about” Prince’s drug use, perhaps out of fear.

I gt that too. It is very similar to the circle around Michael Jackson. People should not have been so scared to speak up .

But then you look at Prince's chef Ms. Zehetner, who told the detective that “of course” those around him knew about Prince’s addiction and that if anyone who worked with Prince said they did not know, “that those people were lying.”

In fact I think a few people knew more. Kirk, friends, girlfriends. Addictions aren't easy to hide when you are so social like Prince. It just all has the feeeling of people knowing more than they are letting on. Then again, he hid this. From fans certainly. He came across as pain free, so content and comfortable in his skin. And in many ways he was , but the fact he had this constant pain and stress really saddens me. All for his love of music and performing.

But for me it's this

a Gmail account belonging to Prince was opened from his MacBook on April 23, 2016, the day of his memorial service, before law enforcement officials obtained a search warrant. “After obtaining a search warrant on Prince’s Google accounts, there was no information prior to 4-19-16,” according to a police report, “suggesting the content had been deleted.”

The fact that criminal charges are not brought does not mean that some person or persons associated with Prince did not assist or enable Prince in obtaining the counterfeit Vicodin

Someone deleted this, someone knows more , someone knows the truth.

[Edited 4/22/18 6:50am]

well said.

Let’s remember these interviews were from 2016 right after he died. No one is going to admit to getting him drugs, seeing drug use or implicate themselves. I don’t know the length of time, but after the statute of limitations is up for the crime of procuring drugs for someone else and/or lying to the police we might start to hear different and more complete stories from the people who were interviewed.

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Reply #728 posted 04/22/18 8:18am

paulludvig

PennyPurple said:

They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.


Also to note;



In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp.


Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice.



Hm. The dentist. He reported that P had been foaming at the mouth during the Moline incident. Judith Hill reported some odd repeated movements. What was that all about?
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Reply #729 posted 04/22/18 8:18am

poppys

purplerabbithole said:

its more subtle than that. On George Lopez, Lopez mentioned that Prince donated some many dollars to charity (2 million) and prince said "oh, that much". I imagine Prince wanted him to mention it. That being said, he also gave anonymously. I think she was exagerrating a bit to make her point and probably thought a man as rich as Prince should give half his shit away or something. (I know that harlem school got music.) Its all relative. He was generous but he wasn't willy nilly with it. It was many little gestures like buying out shelves of food at the grocery store to give to local homeless--that's in the reports as well.

benni said:


Then it should be easy for you to prove. I've googled and cannot find one public announcement that Prince was donating a million dollars to any cause. I've found hundreds of articles about his silent philanthropy, things he gave that people talked about after his passing, but I cannot find ONE public announcement that was made that Prince was donating a million dollars to any cause. So, since you know it as a fact, that Prince needed to be recognized for giving away a million + it should be easy for you to prove that it was advertised, announced, or generally made public AT THE TIME it was happening.

You certainly do imagine a lot. I'm def not buying most of what you're selling outta that rabbithole.

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Reply #730 posted 04/22/18 8:19am

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paulludvig said:

disch said:

Yes but there's no evidence Prince was talking just tylenol, even if he mentioned that drug to Dr S. In fact when Prince said to Dr S on April 20 that he had taken "tylenol" that day, Dr S pressed him on what else was in the "Tylenol" (Prince said he didn't know, I believe.) Tylenol (Acetaminophen) is one ingredient in opioid drugs like percocet.

Yes but Tylenol is not an opioid. Is it even a prescription medication or over the counter?


I'm not sure if they still do or not, but at one point, certain opioids with acetaminophen were called Tylenol 3's. I don't think they call them that any more, but if you are my age (and Prince's), then a lot of times, I still think of them, and refer to them, as Tylenol 3's. Prince saying "tylenol" could just be because he was still thinking of them as Tylenol 3's.

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Reply #731 posted 04/22/18 8:23am

paulludvig

purplerabbithole said:

I think we should love him more because he struggled. I don't like the image of the all powerful, svengali, never faultering music macine who acted difficult just for shits and giggles. I can more relate to the guy who lashed out because he was stressed out, lonely and misunderstood.





Menes said:




DD55 said:



I’m sorry, it’s not that I don’t think P at one point in is life had a feelings for DM. I think much if his depression, grief and anxiety pertaining to her death is he saw what drugs did to her body and in the end she died much too soon because of the role drugs played in her life. Regardless of the reasons for taking drugs, I believe that Vanity’s death brought home the fact that he was facing the same fate due to years of drug use and the toll it took on his body. By the time Vanity died, we now know P’s drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own. IMHO, V’s death made him see the real possibility of his own future. Pretty scary.


~DD55





Your statement DD55 : " We now know that P's drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own", is the chief cornerstone of how he lived his life when not in the public's eye.

No one wants to label Prince an "addict"( especially the fanatics) but in reality, this is what he became. When that started is up for debate, but the actual condition/disease, is not up for debate.

Prince, can not be excluded from the countless scientific studies/data that supports that the brain of an addict is continuously tormented by numerous triggers. I would be willing to bet that seclusion, depression, anxiety, anger, hate , pain, were all triggers that fueled a pattern of usage.

Lastly, and most controversial ,is that the biggest triggers of them all, was his music and image. The two represent a vicious cycle of daily activity that can not be quantified as mutually exclusive.

A single chord structure, a light switch in Studio B, turning in after a show, waking up, looking at a piano, reading something about Denise, a jarred memory of a child , a song he heard on Spotify, etc. etc. etc... indicates triggers that are endless, and if ignored, is shear ignorance concerning the basic rudimentary functions of the human brain when addiction has set in . If it were not so, then Prince's brain should be placed in the Smithsonian as an example of the only brain that was not affected by a triggered activity that is perceived by the brain as a need as opposed to a want. Once you understand the science, you understand the pattern .

One should accept that this physical and psychological dependency , is in fact a disease . Terms used to describe this disease, are often crude, but it does not negate the fact that Prince represents the classic definition of an addict and can not be swept under the rug simply because you love Prince.






And there we have it. Finally. Some people relate more to the idea of P as the flawed individual and that's why, I think, you push that part of the story further than the evidence allows.
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Reply #732 posted 04/22/18 8:23am

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le

Its not the green bedroom in and of itself that disturbs me. Its that they hide it like its pathetic. And then they delete his emails. The green bedroom was him at his core and it was hidden away from most people it seems. Celebrities need privacy but one can take that too far.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

purplerabbithole said:

No his life revolved around music. His staff's life revolved about allowing him to play that music with complete concentration and devotion and on keeping their jobs. No matter how many times they were enamored by his music or looks or sense of humor or aura..at the end of the day, they needed to keep their jobs if they were to even be in his presense (much less make a living.). Drugs became the means to keep doing it even after his body (and maybe even mental health) wouldn't allow it. But music shouldn't be everything and "Prince" needed time and assistance (real assistance, not tiptoeing assistance. or even worst enabling) to work on Prince rogers nelson's problems. But he was a stubborn man who needed music to be who he was. The lack of balance in his life is kind of what killed Prince. Its like the folks around him said to themselves "He's special. We got to keep allowing him to do the things the rest of us wouldn't and shouldn't do to ourselves so he keep being special". I remember some musician was talking about "Prince" never turned off being Prince. That is part of the problem. "Prince" needed to have time away from the constant working, heels, makeup,, star treatment. These things were all layers piled onto the core of this human being until the core was hard to find and unfortunately flaoting in fentanyl. But I can understand people getting swept up in the Prince aura. I do get it. But I can also see why eventually the aura wore off and the sad reality of the price it took on him and those around him to seem superhuman became apparent.. Him pretending to be superhuman (and as a music talent succeeding) in order to avoid facing the very real human frailties he had in himself eventually took its price on those around him but worst on him. Only in his music (ironically) is there truth and its like a catch 22 for that reason. That green bedroom of his says so much about the sad state of prince's life. the core of Prince is somewhere in that green bedroom and then two people decide to delete all the emails he sent out of that room. Its like they threw rosebud into the fire (the end of citizen cane).

So I like the "sad green bedroom"...and I like the fact that he had the garish white furry prince bedroom, but at the end of the day he did want to strip it all off and just be in a room, no sparkle, no designer appointements, just a room and a computer and a bit of a mess like a couple hundred million other people...maybe at the end of the day he wanted to drop the shtick lay down on that bed and watch a little basketball...he did not have to sleep there he chose too

[Edited 4/22/18 7:11am]

[Edited 4/22/18 7:15am]

[Edited 4/22/18 7:16am]

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Reply #733 posted 04/22/18 8:25am

paulludvig

benni said:



paulludvig said:


disch said:

Yes but there's no evidence Prince was talking just tylenol, even if he mentioned that drug to Dr S. In fact when Prince said to Dr S on April 20 that he had taken "tylenol" that day, Dr S pressed him on what else was in the "Tylenol" (Prince said he didn't know, I believe.) Tylenol (Acetaminophen) is one ingredient in opioid drugs like percocet.




Yes but Tylenol is not an opioid. Is it even a prescription medication or over the counter?


I'm not sure if they still do or not, but at one point, certain opioids with acetaminophen were called Tylenol 3's. I don't think they call them that any more, but if you are my age (and Prince's), then a lot of times, I still think of them, and refer to them, as Tylenol 3's. Prince saying "tylenol" could just be because he was still thinking of them as Tylenol 3's.



That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? wink
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Reply #734 posted 04/22/18 8:27am

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le

I hate to rehash it. I sat here for a few minutes wondering whether I shouldn't, but I am tired of the lies. Both her and a groundskeeper stated that after his hip surgery, they had him on percocet, he then had some episode where he stripped his clothes off and ran around naked yelling about being hot. The doctor said it was probably him coming off the percocet. It didn't make much sense to me.

I wonder sometimes whether the turks and Caicos visits weren't a place to get him off the stuff.

paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said:

Read the reports. Its testimony from Kiran Sharma. She said he could be generous but if it was over 1 million he tended to want some attention for it. She was trying to make the point that large sums of money being taken out should be looked into because she said apparently Lamkins told her that Prince asked for 60,000 in "spending cash". I can' t remember Sharma's statements about whether from his accounts she could determine drug usage.. She said there was no episode after the hip replacement that was scary but she said she didn't see much directly from her end. There were more than one handler around Prince obviously back then. At the end of his life, there were far fewer.

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What kind of episodes did Sharma talk about?

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Reply #735 posted 04/22/18 8:27am

Menes

purplerabbithole said:

I think we should love him more because he struggled. I don't like the image of the all powerful, svengali, never faultering music macine who acted difficult just for shits and giggles. I can more relate to the guy who lashed out because he was stressed out, lonely and misunderstood.

Menes said:

Your statement DD55 : " We now know that P's drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own", is the chief cornerstone of how he lived his life when not in the public's eye.

No one wants to label Prince an "addict"( especially the fanatics) but in reality, this is what he became. When that started is up for debate, but the actual condition/disease, is not up for debate.

Prince, can not be excluded from the countless scientific studies/data that supports that the brain of an addict is continuously tormented by numerous triggers. I would be willing to bet that seclusion, depression, anxiety, anger, hate , pain, were all triggers that fueled a pattern of usage.

Lastly, and most controversial ,is that the biggest triggers of them all, was his music and image. The two represent a vicious cycle of daily activity that can not be quantified as mutually exclusive.

A single chord structure, a light switch in Studio B, turning in after a show, waking up, looking at a piano, reading something about Denise, a jarred memory of a child , a song he heard on Spotify, etc. etc. etc... indicates triggers that are endless, and if ignored, is shear ignorance concerning the basic rudimentary functions of the human brain when addiction has set in . If it were not so, then Prince's brain should be placed in the Smithsonian as an example of the only brain that was not affected by a triggered activity that is perceived by the brain as a need as opposed to a want. Once you understand the science, you understand the pattern .

One should accept that this physical and psychological dependency , is in fact a disease . Terms used to describe this disease, are often crude, but it does not negate the fact that Prince represents the classic definition of an addict and can not be swept under the rug simply because you love Prince.

You can love your Grandma who accused you of stealing her hidden cash because she had Dementia, but that doesn't mean you don't want to hide her dentures for calling you a thief. That is, until you understand , Dementia.

Whether you believe Prince or his fans projected this "all powerful" image, is one of the same as you projecting him as misunderstood and stressed out. In effect , both projections and perceptions cancels out the science of one who is addicted. The premise here being that regardless of what is being revealed, Prince became something that he formerly was not.

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Reply #736 posted 04/22/18 8:27am

paulludvig

purplerabbithole said:

Its not the green bedroom in and of itself that disturbs me. Its that they hide it like its pathetic. And then they delete his emails. The green bedroom was him at his core and it was hidden away from most people it seems. Celebrities need privacy but one can take that too far.




LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


purplerabbithole said:

No his life revolved around music. His staff's life revolved about allowing him to play that music with complete concentration and devotion and on keeping their jobs. No matter how many times they were enamored by his music or looks or sense of humor or aura..at the end of the day, they needed to keep their jobs if they were to even be in his presense (much less make a living.). Drugs became the means to keep doing it even after his body (and maybe even mental health) wouldn't allow it. But music shouldn't be everything and "Prince" needed time and assistance (real assistance, not tiptoeing assistance. or even worst enabling) to work on Prince rogers nelson's problems. But he was a stubborn man who needed music to be who he was. The lack of balance in his life is kind of what killed Prince. Its like the folks around him said to themselves "He's special. We got to keep allowing him to do the things the rest of us wouldn't and shouldn't do to ourselves so he keep being special". I remember some musician was talking about "Prince" never turned off being Prince. That is part of the problem. "Prince" needed to have time away from the constant working, heels, makeup,, star treatment. These things were all layers piled onto the core of this human being until the core was hard to find and unfortunately flaoting in fentanyl. But I can understand people getting swept up in the Prince aura. I do get it. But I can also see why eventually the aura wore off and the sad reality of the price it took on him and those around him to seem superhuman became apparent.. Him pretending to be superhuman (and as a music talent succeeding) in order to avoid facing the very real human frailties he had in himself eventually took its price on those around him but worst on him. Only in his music (ironically) is there truth and its like a catch 22 for that reason. That green bedroom of his says so much about the sad state of prince's life. the core of Prince is somewhere in that green bedroom and then two people decide to delete all the emails he sent out of that room. Its like they threw rosebud into the fire (the end of citizen cane).


So I like the "sad green bedroom"...and I like the fact that he had the garish white furry prince bedroom, but at the end of the day he did want to strip it all off and just be in a room, no sparkle, no designer appointements, just a room and a computer and a bit of a mess like a couple hundred million other people...maybe at the end of the day he wanted to drop the shtick lay down on that bed and watch a little basketball...he did not have to sleep there he chose too








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The green bedroom was just a bedroom, a room with a bed.
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Reply #737 posted 04/22/18 8:28am

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PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

And also vomit was found in his mouth

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Reply #738 posted 04/22/18 8:28am

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paulludvig said:

disch said: Yes but Tylenol is not an opioid. Is it even a prescription medication or over the counter?


I'm not sure if they still do or not, but at one point, certain opioids with acetaminophen were called Tylenol 3's. I don't think they call them that any more, but if you are my age (and Prince's), then a lot of times, I still think of them, and refer to them, as Tylenol 3's. Prince saying "tylenol" could just be because he was still thinking of them as Tylenol 3's.

That is true.

Yes, it is an over-the-counter here. They've recently started warning people about taking it regularly. It's a real liver killer. They put it in a lot of otc medications too, like sleep aids.


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Reply #739 posted 04/22/18 8:30am

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bondno9 said:

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

And also vomit was found in his mouth


And what is your point here?

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Reply #740 posted 04/22/18 8:30am

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I hate to rehash it. I sat here for a few minutes wondering whether I shouldn't, but I am tired of the lies. Both her and a groundskeeper stated that after his hip surgery, they had him on percocet, he then had some episode where he stripped his clothes off and ran around naked yelling about being hot. The doctor said it was probably him coming off the percocet. It didn't make much sense to me.



I wonder sometimes whether the turks and Caicos visits weren't a place to get him off the stuff.




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purplerabbithole said:

Read the reports. Its testimony from Kiran Sharma. She said he could be generous but if it was over 1 million he tended to want some attention for it. She was trying to make the point that large sums of money being taken out should be looked into because she said apparently Lamkins told her that Prince asked for 60,000 in "spending cash". I can' t remember Sharma's statements about whether from his accounts she could determine drug usage.. She said there was no episode after the hip replacement that was scary but she said she didn't see much directly from her end. There were more than one handler around Prince obviously back then. At the end of his life, there were far fewer.


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What kind of episodes did Sharma talk about?



So he was put on pain meds sfter surgery. Nothing unusual.
And you don't need a reason to enjoy visiting a tropical island.
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Reply #741 posted 04/22/18 8:30am

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I am not ignoring the science. I am saying people do things for more complicated reasons than just ego and whim. The dependency probably exasperated things.

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

I think we should love him more because he struggled. I don't like the image of the all powerful, svengali, never faultering music macine who acted difficult just for shits and giggles. I can more relate to the guy who lashed out because he was stressed out, lonely and misunderstood.

You can love your Grandma who accused you of stealing her hidden cash because she had Dementia, but that doesn't mean you don't want to hide her dentures for calling you a thief. That is, until you understand , Dementia.

Whether you believe Prince or his fans projected this "all powerful" image, is one of the same as you projecting him as misunderstood and stressed out. In effect , both projections and perceptions cancels out the science of one who is addicted. The premise here being that regardless of what is being revealed, Prince became something that he formerly was not.

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Reply #742 posted 04/22/18 8:31am

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PennyPurple said:

They knew. Sheila contacted Judith and asked her to stay quiet about it, and if she needed a lawyer they would lawyer her up. Omarr stated that Mani told him after P died, that he was using pain pills when they were married. THis is what I've been trying to tell you all. sad


And again the major complaint was pain in his arm, & hands, he was seeing a chiro for sciatic pain in his leg.

I don't agree with much Sheila has said or done, but I think her comments to Judith are part of the broader backdrop -- he surrounded himself for much of his life with people who were fiercely protective of him and his privacy. I don't think there's anything more to it than that - Sheila just didn't want his personal business getting out in a way that would be embarrassing. Obviously that tactic has failed.

Eh ... Sheila didn't mind putting his personal business out here when she wrote her book revealing their "engagement" and then walking around like his "ex-fiancee" after his death

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Reply #743 posted 04/22/18 8:32am

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He had a seizure after the first narcon shot.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.


Also to note;

In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp.

Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice.

Hm. The dentist. He reported that P had been foaming at the mouth during the Moline incident. Judith Hill reported some odd repeated movements. What was that all about?

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Reply #744 posted 04/22/18 8:33am

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paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said:

I think we should love him more because he struggled. I don't like the image of the all powerful, svengali, never faultering music macine who acted difficult just for shits and giggles. I can more relate to the guy who lashed out because he was stressed out, lonely and misunderstood.

And there we have it. Finally. Some people relate more to the idea of P as the flawed individual and that's why, I think, you push that part of the story further than the evidence allows.


I think everyone recognizes that Prince had faults. No one is perfect. Heck, this site has ALWAYS pointed out his faults over the 20 years I've been coming here. But the majority of us are trying to stick to the facts as they are presented and do not want to paint him as anything but who he was. We can accept the faults he had, others aren't so accepting and want to lash out at him for having those faults and want to paint him in a very negative light.

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Reply #745 posted 04/22/18 8:34am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




PennyPurple said:


They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.


Also to note;



In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp.


Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice.





Was the doctor asked if it was real or counterfeit? Or was he just asked what the pill was?


Either way, there would be ZERO case. If anything it would implicate Kirk.



I thought I read somewhere that at least one pill was tested at the hospital and came back as Tylenol.


The doctor asked more than once that she be permitted to do bloodwork.


Each time P refused.






It’s in JH interview that Strawberrylova123 posted. When the Dr asked what he took, Prince pointed to to “Bayer” bottle. That was tested and came back as Tylenol w/ codiene. (I’m thinking this was the pills given to KJ after his dental procedure, as that is what was documented)
Later, KJ found ANOTHER bottle-asked Prince “where did you get these” to which he didn’t answer. Those were the illicit pills and were NOT tested at the hospital, hence Mentz acknowledging the pills he OD’d on in Moline were the fentanyl laced ones.
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benni said:


I'm not sure if they still do or not, but at one point, certain opioids with acetaminophen were called Tylenol 3's. I don't think they call them that any more, but if you are my age (and Prince's), then a lot of times, I still think of them, and refer to them, as Tylenol 3's. Prince saying "tylenol" could just be because he was still thinking of them as Tylenol 3's.

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? wink


LOL - it could be, but it could also be why he called them "Tylenols". But who knows? Only he knows why he called them that. And like I keep said, "could be" not that it is fact. But I do still refer to acetaminphin with codeine as Tylenol 3's, even though that's not what the doctor calls them. It's habit because that's what they were called when I was 17 and first given them for a clot, and how I knew them for most of my life, until they changed them up.

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Reply #747 posted 04/22/18 8:35am

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It feels more significant that that to me. this is where the man dreamed, were he relaxed and stripped off the makeup, and watched tv.. Its where he made love and maybe where he ordered drugs and sent business emails. To him, it was probably just a bedroom but its the closest prince was to being without artifice, at his most basic and human.

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purplerabbithole said:

Its not the green bedroom in and of itself that disturbs me. Its that they hide it like its pathetic. And then they delete his emails. The green bedroom was him at his core and it was hidden away from most people it seems. Celebrities need privacy but one can take that too far.

The green bedroom was just a bedroom, a room with a bed.

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Reply #748 posted 04/22/18 8:37am

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purplerabbithole said:

He had a seizure after the first narcon shot.




paulludvig said:


PennyPurple said:

They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.


Also to note;



In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp.


Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice.



Hm. The dentist. He reported that P had been foaming at the mouth during the Moline incident. Judith Hill reported some odd repeated movements. What was that all about?



Is that stated in the report? The strange, repeated movements were before the narcon.
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Reply #749 posted 04/22/18 8:37am

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paulludvig said:

benni said:



paulludvig said:


disch said:

Yes but there's no evidence Prince was talking just tylenol, even if he mentioned that drug to Dr S. In fact when Prince said to Dr S on April 20 that he had taken "tylenol" that day, Dr S pressed him on what else was in the "Tylenol" (Prince said he didn't know, I believe.) Tylenol (Acetaminophen) is one ingredient in opioid drugs like percocet.




Yes but Tylenol is not an opioid. Is it even a prescription medication or over the counter?


I'm not sure if they still do or not, but at one point, certain opioids with acetaminophen were called Tylenol 3's. I don't think they call them that any more, but if you are my age (and Prince's), then a lot of times, I still think of them, and refer to them, as Tylenol 3's. Prince saying "tylenol" could just be because he was still thinking of them as Tylenol 3's.



That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? wink



No that is not a stretch at all, Tylenol with codeine is prescribed all the time, I highly doubt those pills were Tylenol only...
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