ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

sonshine said:

I still think people make too much of the Vanity/Denise connection. She was one of many women he loved. It was such a long time ago. They weren't even the same people anymore. Vanity didn't even exist anymore.

I agree but I also think I get why they do it. The need to "romanticize" what happened likely makes it less tragic and easier to accept for them.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

Today was a really tough day for me. Way more emotional than I thought it was going to be. I am gonna copy and paste what I wrote about all this from a Facebook group I am a part of as it best describes all my ambivalent feelings about these last few days. Hopefully someone out there can relate.. Hey guys! How are you all feeling today? I am feeling am odd mix of emotions. I'm not really sure who else to talk to as people in my life understand/respect my love for Prince but at the same time don't really understand how much happiness his music/performances brought to life. And I'm not someone who goes gaga for celebrity but with Prince I felt like I just "got" him. I don't know if it is both because we had unhappy childhoods or what but I don't have an objective reason for my feelings. But I just wanted to share with someone else who might understand. For the many years being a Prince fan listening to his music, reading all I could about him, seeing him in concert, examining his lyrics...you feel like you get to know a part of who that person is and I'm sure that part really was there and was honest. I'm talking about his reverence for God, his ability to appreciate beauty and his capacity to explore/perceive the complexity and depth of the human experience. However, when he passes away 2 years ago today it was like shock after shock learning he had left us, to hearing what he died of, to learning he may have had a problem with controlled substances for many years. To say that has been a disillusioning experience for me is an understatement. In the past, whenever I had met someone who knew or worked with Prince, and I mentioned my huge crush on Prince and how I consider him to be my first crush/my first love, I noticed their energy shift and become kinda visibly uncomfortable. At the time i thought oh I guess realistically I wouldn't have a shot with him ..they just don't wanna hurt my feelings, and that may be true compared to all the beautiful women he knew, but now in my gut I think it was probably something else like, No girl you don't even want to go there...like it was steming from some sort of protection like , he is different than you think it is. It gives me the feeling they knew about his troubles or something I didn't understand. I will tell you as a fan Sinead O'Conner's Rolling Stone interview about his abuse always disturbed me. Fans always wrote it off as she was crazy but even back then I wondered....it seemed so out of character but part of me felt like it could possibly be true. A lot Prince did that seemed like personality quirks and ideocyincracies (sp?) And his behavior throughout his life make a lot more sense in context now...his demands for loyalty, privacy both from people in his life and us fans, his control over his image , money (except I know he was generous with women) it makes sense he did not want fans to know about his struggles. In context things he did make so much more sense. Please understand I know we are all grieving and I do not want to be insensitive. I will always love him, his music and be greatful for what he brought to my life. And I also love how he inspires a great sense of community to this day even. However the newly released pictures ,police pictures ( Please be aware of what you are clicking on) shows he was human and struggled just like we all struggle. To me he seemed like an unhappy person at the end of his life and that hurts my heart ....but also it solidifies my Christian beliefs and that God is the only true perfection...Prince wrestled with demons and all the glitters ain't gold...at the same time he made his own choices and may have hurt many people in his life and at some point if you push people way who will be left? In addition everyone thinks people should be held accountable for his death but when you dance with the devil....terrible things can happen. I wish things could have been different but we can only control ourselves....im sure Prince is at peace now and with our heavenly Father . Thanks for whoever read this long post. I just had to share what I feel. Love4oneanother Thank you, Krystal

How I feel? Old and tired and I can't tell myself Prince wouldn't allow vulnerability as a way to motivate myself anymore.

[Snip – luv4u]

jtfolden said:

Has this been mentioned yet: of all the counterfeit pills they tested only SOME of them contained Fentanyl. I think this is important. It tells me that Prince had probably been getting these counterfeit pills for a while and that he had no adverse reactions and kept taking them...

What you're saying is nonsense on so many levels.
If they're counterfeited, how can you tell?
The taste?

"Lawd, I'm gonna make myzelf a toast of
creamy Fentanyl® and a maxi bucket
o' goud'ol' squirrel meat, man I got the munchies!
You're gonna eat that? You're not gonna eat it."

Leave it be. It was Chinese Mafia counterfeiting for profit, so dumb because if your drug is too potent, you lose the customer.
But the situation that ended in blackmarketing fake Fentanyl® was initiated by, oh surprise, wealthy plutocrats.

Prince death upsets you? Write to the Sacklers.
Where's the mystery?

Unknowingly to the Chinese Mafia, wherever the drug falls after being manufactured is Chinese roulette,
unknowingly to Kirk (except maybe everything else), unknowingly to his entourage,
unknowingly to Prince.

It's the last detail that counts. You really think the Sheriff hasn't worked his ass off?
Imagine the career booster if he at least found the 4Chan, Silk Road, or whatever StoneBay™ dark web site dealer.

Don't be fooled: when the Amazon™ of drugs was still online,
the street stuff was sent to you through a nice anonymous Fedex or UPS package.

He was going to rehab the next day, but then the roulette did its trick.
A magic man doomed to perform one last magic trick.
Magic requires secret. You don't want to know how it's done.
"I don't want you to know how I do it."

Now please leave the suicide, the depression and other self-delusions and self-projections to yourself.
Having a bad day doesn't mean all days were bad, again, Atlanta, go listen to it.
Having a good day doesn't mean all days will be good, again, Atlanta, go listen to it.
This is not a man in depression. Not a man incapacitated.
Not a man not controlling it.

The amount of stuff he took was always under control,
but he wasn't feeding himself anymore,
as if living on Holy Spirit is enough.
That's when the liver fatigues.


I can play the same suppositions/self-projections game too:


Secrecy was going to kill him, so he knew he had te reconnect to people
so he can talk about it. And maybe gain some experience from Morris,
maybe he wanted to reach Vanity, after all she powder her nose, and what about Tyka.

How can you put this out in the open,
after having written so many harsh words
about addicted friends, so superior point of views about drugs?

Secret. Shame. Dark Web.
Anonymous delivery for your convienience.
The real taste of tar®.


It was just a sign of the year.
Don't fool yourself, a "street dealer" in 2016 (heck, in 2013 already, damn) is someone who drives you
a Fedex, DHL, UPS or whatever clever disguised package to your fence, buzzes, and leaves.

[Edited 4/22/18 1:58am]

rogifan said:

jtfolden said:

Has this been mentioned yet: of all the counterfeit pills they tested only SOME of them contained Fentanyl. I think this is important. It tells me that Prince had probably been getting these counterfeit pills for a while and that he had no adverse reactions and kept taking them... However, the last batch he acquired were laced with Fentanyl and this is where the biggest problems began. His addiction was not suddenly worse or any different than before but the pills he was taking WERE (even though they appeared to be the exact same pills). Even worse, since the less dangerous pills and the Fentanyl laced ones looked the same and he had a good deal of both-every time he took a pill he had no way of knowing which batch he was taking. On the plane he probably took the normal amount of pills he normally did BUT they were the bad ones with Fentanyl. On 4/21, he again probably took the normal amount but they the bad batch. I also think the odd behavior that Judith talks about, him wanting to sleep so much, talk oddly, and some of the health issues he discussed during those few weeks were caused by the Fentanyl. So, this bad batch of pills made his addiction to pain killers more obvious and more dangerous rather than his problems or pain suddenly spiraling out of control. [Edited 4/22/18 0:19am]

It's actually the part of this whole mess that bothers me most. It's all entirely too damn coincidental for me. Prince supposedly had an opiate drug problem for years that some people closest to him seemed to have known about or at least suspected, while others didn't. Yet, there seemed to be no serious concern nor intervention until after the Moline incident and even then, IMHO, it was just half-assed to say the least because of the amount of pills that were found in his home when he died. There seemed to be more concern about shredding documents and deleting emails but there were pills all over the damn place just waiting to be found and corroborate the narrative. And Prince who was supposedly on board with getting help, the very next day, somehow decided, "Hey one more go 'round for the road." and just so happened to pick the pills with the Fentanyl, even though NONE of the pills were labeled as such.

paulludvig said:

rogifan said:

This interview with Mariah Brown was with the Associated Press shortly after his passing. She certainly didn’t sound like she was lying or hiding anything. Seems entirely possible to me that not all associates knew what was going on. Especially if they didn’t have access to his bedroom or bathroom.

Seems to me like most people didn't know. Why should they? If Prince occasionally took pain medication in order the be able to perform even when he was in a lot of pain, people wouldn't notice.

Precisely. Take Atlanta (OK I'm outta here).

I have been following everone's comments here for the past few days, all very interesting and good points of view. i will hold my own POV for now, but I do want to say i think it strange and distasteful all of this information was released 1-2 days before his 2nd anniversary, and as for the photo/video of his corpse being made available, it is beyond words.

Anyone who knew anything about PRINCE knew he was deeply private and I belive showing those photos was down right distasteful and disrespectful. could they have waited a few days, blanked out his body, or leaked what was about to come.

I m not sure who made the decision but shame on you for for feeding the tabloids. I hope when the dust settles and you are reflecting - you realise they was a right and wrong way to do this and you did real WRONG.

rogifan said:

sonshine said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

jtfolden said:

Has this been mentioned yet: of all the counterfeit pills they tested only SOME of them contained Fentanyl. I think this is important. It tells me that Prince had probably been getting these counterfeit pills for a while and that he had no adverse reactions and kept taking them... However, the last batch he acquired were laced with Fentanyl and this is where the biggest problems began. His addiction was not suddenly worse or any different than before but the pills he was taking WERE (even though they appeared to be the exact same pills). Even worse, since the less dangerous pills and the Fentanyl laced ones looked the same and he had a good deal of both-every time he took a pill he had no way of knowing which batch he was taking. On the plane he probably took the normal amount of pills he normally did BUT they were the bad ones with Fentanyl. On 4/21, he again probably took the normal amount but they the bad batch. I also think the odd behavior that Judith talks about, him wanting to sleep so much, talk oddly, and some of the health issues he discussed during those few weeks were caused by the Fentanyl. So, this bad batch of pills made his addiction to pain killers more obvious and more dangerous rather than his problems or pain suddenly spiraling out of control. [Edited 4/22/18 0:19am]

It's actually the part of this whole mess that bothers me most. It's all entirely too damn coincidental for me. Prince supposedly had an opiate drug problem for years that some people closest to him seemed to have known about or at least suspected, while others didn't. Yet, there seemed to be no serious concern nor intervention until after the Moline incident and even then, IMHO, it was just half-assed to say the least because of the amount of pills that were found in his home when he died. There seemed to be more concern about shredding documents and deleting emails but there were pills all over the damn place just waiting to be found and corroborate the narrative. And Prince who was supposedly on board with getting help, the very next day, somehow decided, "Hey one more go 'round for the road." and just so happened to pick the pills with the Fentanyl, even though NONE of the pills were labeled as such.

I don't understand your refusal of the mislabeled accident.
Again, if the Ammmazzzzonnnn,Dude®™.darkweb deliverer knocks on your door
with something that has "extra gifts" in it... See the Silk Road screencap I posted.
If your order said "Nutella®", it's supposed to be "Nutella®", right?

What this is article has to say about overdoses by relapse is interesting.

The case of "one last for the road" is fairly documented, and a classic for overdose.
This article has some good points near the end, about "past irresolved traumas" and the "reward system".
There's more to drugs than overdose or suicide.

The "Non-accidental" Overdose theory (with supposedly prior use of Fentanyl)
would imply Prince was not in control of his self-medication.
He was able to function psychologically, even if the toll was huge.

I say Atlanta.

Physically, it was destroying him.
This shit cuts your appetite.

So in the state he is, all frail and shit,
he falls on the most potent counterfeited shit there is.
I know, it makes the mind reel.
But so did Prince, most of the time.
In Memoriam

[Edited 4/22/18 2:31am]

Resolution said:

I have been following everone's comments here for the past few days, all very interesting and good points of view. i will hold my own POV for now, but I do want to say i think it strange and distasteful all of this information was released 1-2 days before his 2nd anniversary, and as for the photo/video of his corpse being made available, it is beyond words.

Anyone who knew anything about PRINCE knew he was deeply private and I belive showing those photos was down right distasteful and disrespectful. could they have waited a few days, blanked out his body, or leaked what was about to come.

I m not sure who made the decision but shame on you for for feeding the tabloids. I hope when the dust settles and you are reflecting - you realise they was a right and wrong way to do this and you did real WRONG.

Don't put sugar on it.
You either show it or don't.
You either choose to look at him or don't.

It's like some absurd liberal Minnesota Law
allows for the internet to put his dirty hands everywhere.
It's released to the web, not just to the good constituents of Carver.
I don't mind cops doing their job, but it's like sex,
I don't need a full detailed summary after the job,
thank you very much.

I trust someone who has swore to serve and protect.

Next thing you know one day
I'm gonna see my Poor SKipper guts open, à la Roswell,
on some facehooked wall on infamy.

It's a pretty fucked up system where citizens don't trust the law enough,
making the law show them everything it worked on, with some black markers strokes
here and there just to make you swallow the pill of your disgusted self thinking
"hey, at least this shit has been reviewed".


They have some pretty fucked laws up in Minnesota.
It may have been home and beautiful,
but not the best state to die in, apparently,
for him, us, or the estate.

TMZ, I vomit them all.
Cockroaches.

[Edited 4/22/18 2:27am]

Didn't Prince use an ipad to tweet? If so, was the ipad found?

paulludvig said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

They said it was an accident, can we just let it be an accident? We won't get any more informations than the authorities.

Exactly !

Stop the histeria and personal projections on someone's death.

Accept the facts, and mourn, or celebrate. Whatever.

Vannormal said:

What if he been taking pain pills all along to deal with social anxiety (like that anonymous drug dealer stated) and for a while to help with any aches and pains. But then the pains became serious and the tolerance for the pills grew and then he needed more pills to deal with the pain...escalating his problem. When he got relief for the pain through other means (chiropactor, operations) maybe he went back to lower dosages.

Another thing--if Prince had the habit back in the day ("Back in the day" were sheila's words) what does that mean? During the Revolution? Even if he started taking too many around the time of Manuela, this was years before the hip surgery. How were they able to perform surgery [Snip – luv4u]. Very dangerous?

purplerabbithole said:

Calm down. He was addicted to pills, was he not? You are offended by my choice of words but are you offended by the folks on here who even entertain the notion that Sinead Oconnor was telling the truth?

rogifan said:
[Snip – luv4u]

Yes, they are what ifs.

My grandmother was addicted to oxycodone. They had trouble operating on her back becuase of her earlier addiction. Anesthesia issues.

Sheila said that people would use their names to obtain prescriptions for P "Back in the day".

paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said:

What if he been taking pain pills all along to deal with social anxiety (like that anonymous drug dealer stated) and for a while to help with any aches and pains. But then the pains became serious and the tolerance for the pills grew and then he needed more pills to deal with the pain...escalating his problem. When he got relief for the pain through other means (chiropactor, operations) maybe he went back to lower dosages.

Another thing--if Prince had the habit back in the day ("Back in the day" were sheila's words) what does that mean? During the Revolution? Even if he started taking too many around the time of Manuela, this was years before the hip surgery. How were they able to perform surgery on [Snip – luv4u]. Very dangerous?

What did Sheila say about "back in the day"? As to the rest of your post - that is a lot of "what if"s. And of course you can perform surgery on someone who uses pain meds. Surgery is usually the last option. You try to cope with pain using meds first.

[Edited 4/22/18 5:59am]

bonatoc said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It's actually the part of this whole mess that bothers me most. It's all entirely too damn coincidental for me. Prince supposedly had an opiate drug problem for years that some people closest to him seemed to have known about or at least suspected, while others didn't. Yet, there seemed to be no serious concern nor intervention until after the Moline incident and even then, IMHO, it was just half-assed to say the least because of the amount of pills that were found in his home when he died. There seemed to be more concern about shredding documents and deleting emails but there were pills all over the damn place just waiting to be found and corroborate the narrative. And Prince who was supposedly on board with getting help, the very next day, somehow decided, "Hey one more go 'round for the road." and just so happened to pick the pills with the Fentanyl, even though NONE of the pills were labeled as such.

I don't understand your refusal of the mislabeled accident.
Again, if the Ammmazzzzonnnn,Dude®™.darkweb deliverer knocks on your door
with something that has "extra gifts" in it... See the Silk Road screencap I posted.
If your order said "Nutella®", it's supposed to be "Nutella®", right?

What this is article has to say about overdoses by relapse is interesting.

The case of "one last for the road" is fairly documented, and a classic for overdose.
This article has some good points near the end, about "past irresolved traumas" and the "reward system".
There's more to drugs than overdose or suicide.

The "Non-accidental" Overdose theory (with supposedly prior use of Fentanyl)
would imply Prince was not in control of his self-medication.
He was able to function psychologically, even if the toll was huge.

I say Atlanta.

Physically, it was destroying him.
This shit cuts your appetite.

So in the state he is, all frail and shit,
he falls on the most potent counterfeited shit there is.
I know, it makes the mind reel.
But so did Prince, most of the time.
In Memoriam

[Edited 4/22/18 2:31am]

What I don't understand is your refusal to accept that people see this differently than you and it's okay that we do. I wouldn't give a damn if you linked hundreds of articles about what other folks do or have done under simular circumstances, that hasn't got a damn thing to do with what actually happened to Prince. So unless you've got security camera footage of the last several hours of his life, you don't know any more about what happened than the rest of us, so please stop trying to convince us otherwise.

Oh and for the record, since "The case of "one last for the road" is fairly documented, and a classic for overdose." I find it all the more just ENTIRELY TOO DAMN COINCIDENTAL and CONVENIENT that Prince's life would end that way!

purplerabbithole said:

Yes, they are what ifs.

My grandmother was addicted to oxycodone. They had trouble operating on her back becuase of her earlier addiction. Anesthesia issues.

Sheila said that people would use their names to obtain prescriptions for P "Back in the day".

paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said: What did Sheila say about "back in the day"? As to the rest of your post - that is a lot of "what if"s. And of course you can perform surgery on someone who uses pain meds. Surgery is usually the last option. You try to cope with pain using meds first.

[Edited 4/22/18 5:59am]

You do realize that some anesthesias contain opioids? It was probably concern that she would relapse in her opioid addiction.

For a lot of people, their addiction to opioids start because of a surgery and the doctors prescribing opioids after the surgery.

He wasn't a politican or world leader either. He was a musician who sang about sex, love, parties and relgion (in vague ways). He didn't try to change the world (not too much anyway). He had heroic talent but he was not a hero. Maybe that is the problem. The enabling was probably the result of greedy psychophants thinking that rock stars are bigger than life. [Snip – luv4u] HIs little plain bedroom with the drug computer and tv says it all. No wonder he was paranoid--he was surrounded by people more in love with "Prince" than Prince Rogers Nelson. I think he did try to be a more rounded person through religion. But that was a shortcut in a way. LIke saying if I am good in this way, I don't have to face the other ways in which I am screwing up. He did really go to church. He took that stuff seriously even if drugs were obviously not condoned by his religion. It almost feels like religion and music were his escape from himself.

rap said:

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said: How I feel? Old and tired and I can't tell myself Prince wouldn't allow vulnerability as a way to motivate myself anymore.

[Snip – luv4u]

[Edited 4/22/18 6:31am]

[Edited 4/22/18 6:33am]

purplerabbithole said:

purplerabbithole said:

He wasn't a politican or world leader either. He was a musician who sang about sex, love, parties and relgion (in vague ways). He didn't try to change the world (not too much anyway). He had heroic talent but he was not a hero. Maybe that is the problem. The enabling was probably the result of greedy psychophants thinking that rock stars are bigger than life. I think even Prince understood that he was fraud. HIs little plain bedroom with the drug computer and tv says it all. No wonder he was paranoid--he was surrounded by people willing to perpetuate a fraud.

rap said:

[Snip – luv4u]

Why are you and rap even on a Prince fansite?

Yes, he did try to change the world in the way that he could. You do know that he often gave to charity anonymously? He gave to individuals anonymously? He gave a million dollars to the victims and survivors (each) of the bridge collapse in Atlanta. He gave a million dollars to Trayvon Martin's family. He gave to inner city schools, to music programs, to We Can Code. He would meet with city legislatures to discuss the issues their city faced with racial relationships after racially charged incidents occurred in those areas (such as in Baltimore).

And "drug computer"? Where in the hell do you get that? They didn't find anything on his computer. You know, maybe he slept in a plain room to keep himself humble, to remember where he started.

Resolution said:

I have been following everone's comments here for the past few days, all very interesting and good points of view. i will hold my own POV for now, but I do want to say i think it strange and distasteful all of this information was released 1-2 days before his 2nd anniversary, and as for the photo/video of his corpse being made available, it is beyond words.

Anyone who knew anything about PRINCE knew he was deeply private and I belive showing those photos was down right distasteful and disrespectful. could they have waited a few days, blanked out his body, or leaked what was about to come.

I m not sure who made the decision but shame on you for for feeding the tabloids. I hope when the dust settles and you are reflecting - you realise they was a right and wrong way to do this and you did real WRONG.

100% agree

Do you read that whole report? That dude was a drug addict. Lots of people confirmed those suspicions throughout the interviews etc. He was a functioning one, but he was one. And people wanted to help him continue functioning. The show must go on mentality. I think they thought he could handle it for the most part because he was so "Prince" all the time and such a powerful proponent of hard work and perservance, but they ignored or didn't speak up about the price it was taking on him for many reasons (selfishness, denial, willful ignorance, greed, fear, romanticism, and defeatist attitudes).

paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said:

He wasn't a politican or world leader either. He was a musician who sang about sex, love, parties and relgion (in vague ways). He didn't try to change the world (not too much anyway). He had heroic talent but he was not a hero. Maybe that is the problem. The enabling was probably the result of greedy psychophants thinking that rock stars are bigger than life. I think even Prince understood that he was fraud. HIs little plain bedroom with the drug computer and tv says it all. No wonder he was paranoid--he was surrounded by people willing to perpetuate a fraud.

Drug computer? You are really going with the drug narrative, aren't you.