PURPLEIZED3121 said:

pnv said:

sexyisintheimagination said:

I can totally see them together. Both had healing to do after Michael passed. Men need to be needed, and mentoring was something to give him purpose. He met her musical family and felt he belonged. It makes sense that they got close like that. Her energy reads as sincere. No offense to their relationship but it is kind Of father daughter healing emotional things. We will all pass. I think of him as being reunited with his musical family, son, associates Denise. He created a lot of love, I like to think that I what carries us on, we are met by our own goodness. I choose to see the eternal light and not the end scene.

I believe they really connected they had the music connection and she seemed to really be driven and motivated. Did anyone notice the comment Prince made to her? "Oh man I love to sleep more I guess this means I've done all I'm suppose to do on Earth"... I was like whoa when I read it...I was thinking he was reaching out letting someone know...I think he was depress...no doubt or perhaps just reflective on life

I have to admit this caught my eye big time as I was reading the transcript of Judith's interview. I still can't help but think that his mood played a HUGE part in his death. I've said from very first post here that he was probably self-medicating for physical pain, but that something else was going on top of it, affecting his mood.

A FEW WORDS ABOUT THAT VIDEO

you know the one...

well...it came tearing into my facebook feed last night....

And I watched it...

and it gave me an unexpected feeling of closure...

and I noticed that his hands look like he could have been playing guitar..

and I had to go and look at it again...

In some countries its traditional to sleep with the dead

I can now understand how soothing it is...

You can make the connection between body and spirit easily.

The body is merely the HOME of the soul.

Princes Soul has returned to where it came from and

I dont regret watching the video however morbid that might sound to some of you...

Im not particularly HAPPY that its been released for all the world to see

but at the same time

Its given me an unexplainable kind of peace

he looked beautiful,

lastdecember said:

disch said:

pnv said:

lastdecember said:

Prince on that surveillance video is someone walking without any signs of 'pain', the cane is not with him he is moving very smoothly. I think back to a recent article and interview with Lisa Coleman. Her saying the last time she saw Prince she was thinking he had "given up" and something in his eyes was not there. I took alot from that, think about things Morris Day and Mayte also said, Morris saying he had a conversation with him in January, Mayte hearing he was not doing "well". This is why I still am saying something else was going on inside this man, hearing Judith talking about Prince seeming depressed or out of it, "Maybe I have done everything on this earth" and also his sister giving the same statement in reference to her conversations with him. This is more and more sounding like someone that is slowly breaking down, physically and that leads to many other things. I mean If you are Prince and your life and everyday is music and playing and all of sudden it seems you just cannot do it anymore, where does that leave you. This is not a man who had other things to do. But you can look at PRINCE videos and performances in the final couple of years, look at his eyes it is alot different then the Prince a few years earlier touring Welcome 2 America, there was something going on during that time. But again it is something we will never know for sure.

He was depressed.... No doubt...I know why alot of people don't wanna hear it though......so I remain quiet for now.

People here were ripping him for the last few years, even the week before he died. Pretty stunning considering that the Moline incident was widely discussed, and it was widely suspected that he read this site.

[Edited 4/21/18 21:18pm]

Wonderful

Did Ur world get a little bit colder

No wiser just a little bit older (vibration)

So slow that we're bound to freeze over

oh

Did Ur heart grow a little bit harder

Were u happier when u started

How can U in the role of a martyr, oh

But wasn't it kind of wonderful

Wasn't it kind of wonderful, baby

Wasn't it kind of wonderful, baby

Wasn't it kind of wonderful, wonderful

You can trip, flick a switch negative

Break the circuit between us

But electricity lingers

In our fingers

Oh you can burn every fuse and

refuse

Turn your positive minus

Electricity lingers

In our fingers

(There was a picture of these lyrics)

[Edited 4/21/18 21:20pm]

I can say that I read the entirety of the report on the NYTimes website, damn that was depressing.

Anyhow, nobody comes off completely clean, but some are much much worse than others. Phaedra seems extremely suspicious and manipulative. Meron seems kind of clueless and evasive (and possibly a minor thief) but seemed from initial reports to be really upset when Prince was found. Kirk seems off and on...sometimes cold and sometimes caring,sometimes evasive and sometimes forthcoming. At one point right after the overdose in Molene, he seemed more interested in protecting P's privacy than he should have been (speaking for him etc) but then he later impressed me when he took the doctor out in the hall in Molene and showed her the other bottle he found in Prince's stuff which contained the mysterious pills. Basically stating that he had found them. They didn't test it though, just read the label and believed it was hydrocodone. he did that against Prince's wishes.. Kirk around the 18th talked to his dentist who stated that foaming at the mouth (something that happened to P on the plane after he blacked out) was not common for percocet overdoses. The next day he was working on getting P into the doctor and getting rehab. When he wasn't with P, he was emailing even late at night on the 20th. He should have probably not given P so much privacy but he seemed to have tried. There are some strange behaviors from Kirk but there also some really responsible ones.

phaedra on the other hand seemed really suspicious. Other than suggesting the rehab, she didn't strike me as honest. She avoided questioning, lawyered up, was disliked by previous employees who thought she was shady and manipulative and cheap with P's money where paying bands are concered (more so than even him). Also, she ran the money, was seen getting rid of stuff (so was Kirk) after P's death. She also supposedly told a concerned Judith not to worry about P's overdose in Molene.

Many of the other associates (wives, musicians, employees) seemed confused by Prince, confounded, ambivalent, frustated, concerned and a tiny bit intimidated. the word "Privacy" must have been used at least a 1000 times in the records. Prince seemed spoiled and difficult yes. Also, there are mentions of him being fun and funny. But sadly he was also at times fragile, depressed, paranoid, overworked, manipulated by others (much more than I expected) and anxiety ridden. I am starting to think he thought he couldn't trust anyone completely including his own family. . I am also starting to think that drugs were a secret part of his life for a very long time and that his "privacy"/evasiveness was just the way he evaded the subject of his drugs. He was in pain clearly. People talked about his hands, back, hips quite frequently. But I think the pain went beyond the physical. I do think the man was geniunely shy (at least away from the Prince artifice) but the drugs probably made that evasiveness even worse.

Jill comes off a bit naive, but a bit evasive. I don't think she knew the full extent of his problem until the end though. Overall, the descriptions of her reactions to his overdose etc seemed geniunely emotional. I think she loved him or what she thought she knew about him. I wonder if he was okay with her flying back and forth to L.A. because he knew it would be easier to hide his pill problem from her if she wasn't around all the time.

All this being said, I am not going to forget the good stories about Paisley Park and Prince. I think they are true as well. That environment was complicated as the man who lived within it. And when the music and the laughs were there, it was probably glorious.

[Edited 4/21/18 21:41pm]

[Edited 4/21/18 21:44pm]

EnDoRpHn said:

Dr. S's interview:

Kirk was a patient of Dr. S for 16 years.

Kirk initially contacted Dr. S in the fall of 2015 about P becoming a patient of Dr. S for a physical and just check him out.

Dr. S went to PP to see P on April 7. P then went to the clinic to get an IV.

P called Dr. S on April 8 to tell him later that he felt better. P called again and they had a 15 min conversation, and he reviewed symptoms with P. Then P complained of new symtoms because a chiropractor had worked on him the day before. Dr. S offered to see P again and run bloodwork.


He did not see P again until April 20 when P came in for bloodwork.

In the interim Dr. S learned from Kirk , Kirk's concren that P had been using opiates but did not know how much.

Dr. S asked P if he was using any medication for his hand and he said yes but said he didnt know what it what kind of medication it was. P consented to a blood draw and Dr. S gave him another IV.

P admitted to taking Tylenol but then asked Dr. S about withdrawal symptoms. He gave P two doses of Clonidine before he left, along with one dose of Hydroxyzine which was given because P said he needed to relax. P asked if the Hydroxyzine could be given in an IV and Dr. S did not want to do that.

Dr. S wanted to give P valium. Kirk wanted the valium to be given in a supervised setting.

Dr. S said all 3 were routinely given in opiate withdrawal situations.

Phaedra then called Dr. S about working with Dr. Kornfield. Phaedra then had a conference call with Dr. S, and Dr. K later than evening.

At 8:15 am Dr. S sent a text to Kirk and Kirk said he was waiting for P to wake so he could give him his medication. Dr. S sent a text that he was on the way to PP to deliver the test results.

BTW P gave permission for Kirk to receive his medical info from Dr. S.

The call Kirk had with Dr. S on April 18 was for Kirk to apologize to Dr. S about the request for Percocets's, and about the plane incident, and he had talked to an ex-wife that P had an opiate issue for many years. Dr. S said he gave the Percocet prescription under Kirk's name before he knew P had an opiate problem.

purplegirl00 said:

pnv said:

purplegirl00 said:

I have to admit this caught my eye big time as I was reading the transcript of Judith's interview. I still can't help but think that his mood played a HUGE part in his death. I've said from very first post here that he was probably self-medicating for physical pain, but that something else was going on top of it, affecting his mood.

Wow a certain ex girlfriend passing....its so obvious... She in February him in April....I think he had bouts of sadness/depression and that statement to Judith it speaks volumes and what happens when someone is sad/depress or grieving if they are addicted to something they reach for more of whatever they are addicted to...whether its food alcohol or whatever...

pnv said:

purplegirl00 said:

purplegirl00 said:

purplegirl00 said:

pnv said:

Wow a certain ex girlfriend passing....its so obvious... She in February him in April....I think he had bouts of sadness/depression and that statement to Judith it speaks volumes and what happens when someone is sad/depress or grieving if they are addicted to something they reach for more of whatever they are addicted to...whether its food alcohol or whatever...

EXACTLY. If he was addicted or dependent for years, as many are suggesting, what was different about that time specific time period? Something changed big time and he lost his bearings and maybe will to go on. Depression and anxiety can and do come from deep grieving. I’m still going through the documents so I have not read everything but someone mentioned that he was prescribed Clonidine. Aside from helping overcome withdrawals, it is also prescribed for anxiety. I worked in a doctors office and often saw it prescribed for anxiety due to death of a loved one.

Klonopin is for anxiety. Clonidine is a blood pressure medicine and used for opiod withdrawal. It relaxes blood vessels.

AmericaSlays said:

purplegirl00 said:

pnv said: EXACTLY. If he was addicted or dependent for years, as many are suggesting, what was different about that time specific time period? Something changed big time and he lost his bearings and maybe will to go on. Depression and anxiety can and do come from deep grieving. I’m still going through the documents so I have not read everything but someone mentioned that he was prescribed Clonidine. Aside from helping overcome withdrawals, it is also prescribed for anxiety. I worked in a doctors office and often saw it prescribed for anxiety due to death of a loved one.

Klonopin is for anxiety. Clonidine is a blood pressure medicine and used for opiod withdrawal. It relaxes blood vessels.

Clonidine is also used as a sleeping pill. I know, because I've been prescribed it to help with sleep.

I still think people make too much of the Vanity/Denise connection. She was one of many women he loved. It was such a long time ago. They weren't even the same people anymore. Vanity didn't even exist anymore.

Clonidine (trade names Catapres, Kapvay, Nexiclon, Clophelin, and others) is a medication used to treat high blood pressure, attention deficit hyperac...y disorder, anxiety disorders, tic disorders, withdrawal (from either alcohol, opioids, or smoking), migraine, menopausal flushing, diarrhea, and certain pain conditions.^[4] It is classified as a centrally acting α₂ adrenergic agonist and imidazoline receptor agonist that has been in clinical use since 1966.

A: Clonidine (Catapres) is sometimes used to treat insomnia or sleep problems in children with attention deficit disorder (ADD/ADHD) or autistic spectrum disorders. Common side effects include dry mouth, headache, nausea, constipation, and fatigue.



I used to have nightmares really bad when I was younger and wouldn't go to sleep at night, so they prescribed this to me for a time.

purplerabbithole said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

benni said:

Clonidine (trade names Catapres, Kapvay, Nexiclon, Clophelin, and others) is a medication used to treat high blood pressure, attention deficit hyperac...y disorder, anxiety disorders, tic disorders, withdrawal (from either alcohol, opioids, or smoking), migraine, menopausal flushing, diarrhea, and certain pain conditions.^[4] It is classified as a centrally acting α₂ adrenergic agonist and imidazoline receptor agonist that has been in clinical use since 1966.

A: Clonidine (Catapres) is sometimes used to treat insomnia or sleep problems in children with attention deficit disorder (ADD/ADHD) or autistic spectrum disorders. Common side effects include dry mouth, headache, nausea, constipation, and fatigue.



I used to have nightmares really bad when I was younger and wouldn't go to sleep at night, so they prescribed this to me for a time.

No problem. They sound very much alike. I've seen Klonopin prescribed a lot for anxiety and Clonidine less so, so I thought they might have gotten them confused. I've seen Clonidine prescribed more for BP problems and ADHD. But different doctors prescribe differently.

Krystalkisses said:

AmericaSlays said:

benni said:

Clonidine (trade names Catapres, Kapvay, Nexiclon, Clophelin, and others) is a medication used to treat high blood pressure, attention deficit hyperac...y disorder, anxiety disorders, tic disorders, withdrawal (from either alcohol, opioids, or smoking), migraine, menopausal flushing, diarrhea, and certain pain conditions.^[4] It is classified as a centrally acting α₂ adrenergic agonist and imidazoline receptor agonist that has been in clinical use since 1966.

A: Clonidine (Catapres) is sometimes used to treat insomnia or sleep problems in children with attention deficit disorder (ADD/ADHD) or autistic spectrum disorders. Common side effects include dry mouth, headache, nausea, constipation, and fatigue.



I used to have nightmares really bad when I was younger and wouldn't go to sleep at night, so they prescribed this to me for a time.

No problem. They sound very much alike. I've seen Klonopin prescribed a lot for anxiety and Clonidine less so, so I thought they might have gotten them confused. I've seen Clonidine prescribed more for BP problems and ADHD. But different doctors prescribe differently.

The Clondine has been around for a long time. It may be that some doctors are turning to newer medications.

I am not ready to believe Sinead O'connor. BTW nothing in that long report showed any signs of violence out of PRince.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

Today was a really tough day for me. Way more emotional than I thought it was going to be. I am gonna copy and paste what I wrote about all this from a Facebook group I am a part of as it best describes all my ambivalent feelings about these last few days. Hopefully someone out there can relate.. Hey guys! How are you all feeling today? I am feeling am odd mix of emotions. I'm not really sure who else to talk to as people in my life understand/respect my love for Prince but at the same time don't really understand how much happiness his music/performances brought to life. And I'm not someone who goes gaga for celebrity but with Prince I felt like I just "got" him. I don't know if it is both because we had unhappy childhoods or what but I don't have an objective reason for my feelings. But I just wanted to share with someone else who might understand. For the many years being a Prince fan listening to his music, reading all I could about him, seeing him in concert, examining his lyrics...you feel like you get to know a part of who that person is and I'm sure that part really was there and was honest. I'm talking about his reverence for God, his ability to appreciate beauty and his capacity to explore/perceive the complexity and depth of the human experience. However, when he passes away 2 years ago today it was like shock after shock learning he had left us, to hearing what he died of, to learning he may have had a problem with controlled substances for many years. To say that has been a disillusioning experience for me is an understatement. In the past, whenever I had met someone who knew or worked with Prince, and I mentioned my huge crush on Prince and how I consider him to be my first crush/my first love, I noticed their energy shift and become kinda visibly uncomfortable. At the time i thought oh I guess realistically I wouldn't have a shot with him ..they just don't wanna hurt my feelings, and that may be true compared to all the beautiful women he knew, but now in my gut I think it was probably something else like, No girl you don't even want to go there...like it was steming from some sort of protection like , he is different than you think it is. It gives me the feeling they knew about his troubles or something I didn't understand. I will tell you as a fan Sinead O'Conner's Rolling Stone interview about his abuse always disturbed me. Fans always wrote it off as she was crazy but even back then I wondered....it seemed so out of character but part of me felt like it could possibly be true. A lot Prince did that seemed like personality quirks and ideocyincracies (sp?) And his behavior throughout his life make a lot more sense in context now...his demands for loyalty, privacy both from people in his life and us fans, his control over his image , money (except I know he was generous with women) it makes sense he did not want fans to know about his struggles. In context things he did make so much more sense. Please understand I know we are all grieving and I do not want to be insensitive. I will always love him, his music and be greatful for what he brought to my life. And I also love how he inspires a great sense of community to this day even. However the newly released pictures ,police pictures ( Please be aware of what you are clicking on) shows he was human and struggled just like we all struggle. To me he seemed like an unhappy person at the end of his life and that hurts my heart ....but also it solidifies my Christian beliefs and that God is the only true perfection...Prince wrestled with demons and all the glitters ain't gold...at the same time he made his own choices and may have hurt many people in his life and at some point if you push people way who will be left? In addition everyone thinks people should be held accountable for his death but when you dance with the devil....terrible things can happen. I wish things could have been different but we can only control ourselves....im sure Prince is at peace now and with our heavenly Father . Thanks for whoever read this long post. I just had to share what I feel. Love4oneanother Thank you, Krystal

How I feel? Old and tired and I can't tell myself Prince wouldn't allow vulnerability as a way to motivate myself anymore.

sonshine said:

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The call Kirk had with Dr. S on April 18 was for Kirk to apologize to Dr. S about the request for Percocets's, and about the plane incident, and he had talked to an ex-wife that P had an opiate issue for many years. Dr. S said he gave the Percocet prescription under Kirk's name before he knew P had an opiate problem.

I’m assuming this is Mani. What exactly does she mean by “opiate issue”? My understanding is there are people with chronic pain who are forced to take painkillers. Do those people have opiate issues? Also if she was ever concerned did she try and do something about it or contact others to try and get them to intervene? [Edited 4/21/18 22:50pm]

Yes, they do, or will, have issues. Dependence is not avoidable if taken long term. That aside, the problem with Prince is that he was not taking pills under a doctor's supervision. If he legit had pain he should have had no problem getting a doctor to medicate him. He chose a different route, the route taken when individuals are misusing pills. And who knows, perhaps her concern eventually led to their divorce?

pnv said:

sexyisintheimagination said:

I can totally see them together. Both had healing to do after Michael passed. Men need to be needed, and mentoring was something to give him purpose. He met her musical family and felt he belonged. It makes sense that they got close like that. Her energy reads as sincere. No offense to their relationship but it is kind Of father daughter healing emotional things. We will all pass. I think of him as being reunited with his musical family, son, associates Denise. He created a lot of love, I like to think that I what carries us on, we are met by our own goodness. I choose to see the eternal light and not the end scene.

I believe they really connected they had the music connection and she seemed to really be driven and motivated.

Yes, but for someone who was in a romantic relationship with him as she claimed I found it odd that she didn't even stay with him or go to PP when she arrived in Mpls to attend the show with him. She went to a hotel and stayed there until he picked her up on the way to the airport. That seems very odd behavior for a couple who live so far apart. Wouldn't you want to spend every moment together that you could? Their relationship does not sound like she was his girlfriend, but rather a friend who is a girl. I think Andy was probably the last female he had a true romantic relationship with. I really don't get the impression he and Judith were physically attracted to each other. Not that it's really important one way or the other I suppose. But its sort of unsettling that she would misrepresent herself. What else is she not being real about?

rogifan said: