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Reply #540 posted 04/21/18 4:36pm

paulludvig

206Michelle said:



paulludvig said:


Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

As Attorney Mark Metz stated, all of the evidence points toward his death being an accidental overdose.



It could still be suicide. My point is, why can't we talk about it. Note that my personal theory is that Prince used relatively mild pain medication when he needed to in order to perform. Nothing alarming really. Nobody noticed, Hardly even a problem. Prince kept on being his ususl self. He kept on working. Then he ended up with the wrong pills and that was it.
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Reply #541 posted 04/21/18 4:36pm

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206Michelle said:

paulludvig said:

Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

As Attorney Mark Metz stated, all of the evidence points toward his death being an accidental overdose.


If it was suicide then the coroner would have reported it and so would the investigators too.

Listen to Metz again.

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Reply #542 posted 04/21/18 4:36pm

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luv4u said:



206Michelle said:




paulludvig said:


Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

As Attorney Mark Metz stated, all of the evidence points toward his death being an accidental overdose.




If it was suicide then the coroner would have reported it and so would the investigators too.

Listen to Metz again.



How could the prove it?
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Reply #543 posted 04/21/18 4:37pm

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paulludvig said:

Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

People an speculate about him having HIV/AIDS, Cancer, etc., endlessly without proof but spec about suicide is off limits? Strange.
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Reply #544 posted 04/21/18 4:44pm

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206Michelle said:


XxAxX said:




thank you! i just finished reading the Minneapolis Star Truibune's lengthy article about how Prince's drug use was an "open secret" to people who worked for him. such a tragedy



Do you have a link XxAxX?



the article is in the paper printed version of today's paper.



Here’s the online version : http://m.startribune.com/...480428763/
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Reply #545 posted 04/21/18 4:47pm

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luv4u said:



206Michelle said:




paulludvig said:


Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

As Attorney Mark Metz stated, all of the evidence points toward his death being an accidental overdose.




If it was suicide then the coroner would have reported it and so would the investigators too.

Listen to Metz again.


These investigations are never 100% proof, especially when people aren't being 100% truthfully with investigators. There have been discrepancies.
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Reply #546 posted 04/21/18 4:48pm

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endiadj said:

paulludvig said:
Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?
People an speculate about him having HIV/AIDS, Cancer, etc., endlessly without proof but spec about suicide is off limits? Strange.

Prince did not commit suicide,he died of an accidental drug overdose.Emphasis on the word accidental.

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Reply #547 posted 04/21/18 4:51pm

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SoulAlive said:



endiadj said:


paulludvig said:
Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

People an speculate about him having HIV/AIDS, Cancer, etc., endlessly without proof but spec about suicide is off limits? Strange.


Prince did not commit suicide,he died of an accidental drug overdose.Emphasis on the word accidental.


I don't dispute that. I said why can others endlessly spec about other illnesses without proof but not this.
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Reply #548 posted 04/21/18 4:55pm

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paulludvig said:

luv4u said:


If it was suicide then the coroner would have reported it and so would the investigators too.

Listen to Metz again.

How could the prove it?

He went to Dr. Schulenburg with Kirk a couple of times in the last week of his life. P went to fill additional prescriptions at Walgreens and Kirk also had Dr. S prescribe Prince medicines in Kirk's name. Why would he have obtained additional painkillers if he did not want to go on living?

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He was writing a memoir. He was looking forward to being Uncle Prince to Joshua and Hannah Welton's baby girl. He was going to perform at the brand new US Bank (Vikings) stadium in Minneapolis. Also, even if he was less devout that he had been 10 to 15 years prior, he was still a Jehovah's Witness and suicide was against his faith.

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Reply #549 posted 04/21/18 4:56pm

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endiadj said:

SoulAlive said:



endiadj said:


paulludvig said:
Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

People an speculate about him having HIV/AIDS, Cancer, etc., endlessly without proof but spec about suicide is off limits? Strange.


Prince did not commit suicide,he died of an accidental drug overdose.Emphasis on the word accidental.


I don't dispute that. I said why can others endlessly spec about other illnesses without proof but not this.


What about those who claim he was a hardcore addict for twenty years?
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Reply #550 posted 04/21/18 5:00pm

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Lovejunky said:

pld71 said:

I saw the pic of the white powder on the desk and the bent spoon.

Any indication of what exactly that was?

a Replica of some Art WOrk in Minni

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Obviously some one was playing around funny buggers the white stuff is meant to be snow

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obvious to you perhaps

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Reply #551 posted 04/21/18 5:01pm

paulludvig

206Michelle said:



paulludvig said:


luv4u said:



If it was suicide then the coroner would have reported it and so would the investigators too.

Listen to Metz again.



How could the prove it?

He went to Dr. Schulenburg with Kirk a couple of times in the last week of his life. P went to fill additional prescriptions at Walgreens and Kirk also had Dr. S prescribe Prince medicines in Kirk's name. Why would he have obtained additional painkillers if he did not want to go on living?


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He was writing a memoir. He was looking forward to being Uncle Prince to Joshua and Hannah Welton's baby girl. He was going to perform at the brand new US Bank (Vikings) stadium in Minneapolis. Also, even if he was less devout that he had been 10 to 15 years prior, he was still a Jehovah's Witness and suicide was against his faith.



He also seemed depressed, tired, he felt there was no more to do. He was bored with life and just wanted to sleep. Judith Hill described him in a way that prompted the police to ask her about suicide. She answered it was a 50/50 chance.
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Reply #552 posted 04/21/18 5:02pm

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luv4u said:

206Michelle said:

As Attorney Mark Metz stated, all of the evidence points toward his death being an accidental overdose.


If it was suicide then the coroner would have reported it and so would the investigators too.

Listen to Metz again.

ya, i know, you're the same type of person to say "he was proved guilty in a court of law" when a decision may have went that way and act like that's all there is too it. You are the same type of people who will also say "that doesn't mean anything" when oj got off. strange people, these who surrender their own thoughts to everyone else until they decide they don't like the decision they made.

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Reply #553 posted 04/21/18 5:04pm

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paulludvig said:

206Michelle said:

He went to Dr. Schulenburg with Kirk a couple of times in the last week of his life. P went to fill additional prescriptions at Walgreens and Kirk also had Dr. S prescribe Prince medicines in Kirk's name. Why would he have obtained additional painkillers if he did not want to go on living?

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He was writing a memoir. He was looking forward to being Uncle Prince to Joshua and Hannah Welton's baby girl. He was going to perform at the brand new US Bank (Vikings) stadium in Minneapolis. Also, even if he was less devout that he had been 10 to 15 years prior, he was still a Jehovah's Witness and suicide was against his faith.

He also seemed depressed, tired, he felt there was no more to do. He was bored with life and just wanted to sleep. Judith Hill described him in a way that prompted the police to ask her about suicide. She answered it was a 50/50 chance. [Edited 4/21/18 17:02pm]

that's damned honest of her, i don't know if i'd have been able to say that in that situation. you love someone, you want to protect.

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Reply #554 posted 04/21/18 5:07pm

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yeah the nature of their relationship is a little hazy (but honestly, this was prince. When it came to the exact status of the women around him, there was often a sort of haziness). She also said that she normally stayed at the chanhassen inn (or whatever it's called) when she was in town. Now, even in romantic relationships some people may like their space, but that seemed a little unusual.

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Also the police spent a lot of time asking her "which side of the bed" he slept on. I have no idea why that was such an important topic, but it was something they focused on for a while. She seemed to have a hard time answering that (she said she had trouble with the idea of left/right). Perhaps it was related to the opioid pill they found in the bed? Maybe trying to guess if it was on Prince's side or Judith's side, if she had a side? I have no idea if that was their reason, that's just a guess.

80tomato said:

Judith says she was his girlfriend since late 2014 in her interview with the detective...Kirk ,on the other hand , answers "no" to the question "was Judith his girlfriend .He says she was a singer Prince was promoting

They were asking that cause the sheets in P's bedroom were folded back, as if someone was sleeping in it and got out. They were trying to determine if P or who slept in the bed cos there was a pill found in the fold of the bedding near the floor.

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Reply #555 posted 04/21/18 5:09pm

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paulludvig said:

endiadj said:


I don't dispute that. I said why can others endlessly spec about other illnesses without proof but not this.


What about those who claim he was a hardcore addict for twenty years?

That has been discussed here too.
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Reply #556 posted 04/21/18 5:10pm

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cathys said:

XxAxX said:



the article is in the paper printed version of today's paper.

Here’s the online version : http://m.startribune.com/...480428763/

Thanks

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Reply #557 posted 04/21/18 5:11pm

rap

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80tomato said:

And here's another, with a humidifier to the side, that I found in another article just before seeing your link:
The Green room Judith told the detective was Princes bedroom??


Yes, this was Prince's bedroom that he used every day per Judith and Meron.

As an aside; I always thought Judith seemed like a really sweet girl and her opennes and honesty during the interview with the sheriff raised my opinion even further. I got really REALLY pissed the way some others (like Meron) seemed more concerned about hiding things, even after his death, over getting to the bottom of the truth.

Also, notice the part where Sheila E was actually trying to coach people and seemed to be telling them not to say anything???

Two bedrooms inside PP? Are you sure? It doesn't look very Princely!

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Reply #558 posted 04/21/18 5:11pm

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Is it not strange that the deaths of Michael Jackson, Prince and Tupac's mother all led to the music industry gaining control of their catalogs?

yes it is strange

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Reply #559 posted 04/21/18 5:15pm

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yup that bedroom was IDed in the reports as Prince's regular bedroom.

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What it tells me? The kind of things we assumed were true of Prince (i.e., the type of design he'd surround himself with) wasn't necessariy on the mark. That diparity between what we imagined and the reality was likely the case with other parts of his life too.

rap said:

jtfolden said:


Yes, this was Prince's bedroom that he used every day per Judith and Meron.

As an aside; I always thought Judith seemed like a really sweet girl and her opennes and honesty during the interview with the sheriff raised my opinion even further. I got really REALLY pissed the way some others (like Meron) seemed more concerned about hiding things, even after his death, over getting to the bottom of the truth.

Also, notice the part where Sheila E was actually trying to coach people and seemed to be telling them not to say anything???

Two bedrooms inside PP? Are you sure? It doesn't look very Princely!

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Reply #560 posted 04/21/18 5:20pm

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Was it confirmed what the fluid was in the elevator?

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Reply #561 posted 04/21/18 5:20pm

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apologies if this has been posted already:


from Minnesota news KSTP http://kstp.com/news/prin...735/?cat=5

[excerpted] . . .

Files and e-mails from Prince’s computer may have been deleted before investigators took control of it, according to documents released in the case.

Detectives left the computer at Paisley Park for days after clearing the scene.

Buried deep in the documents released by the Carver County Sheriff’s Office on Thursday are allegations of someone connected to Prince destroying files on his computer.

For four days after Prince’s death, investigative documents reveal that the computer next to Prince’s bed sat at Paisley Park available for anyone to use – and perhaps – destroy.

“I think they made a few mistakes,” Joe Daly, Criminal Law Professor at Mitchell Hamline School of Law, said. “Even the investigator in the affidavit admits he probably made a mistake. He wishes he had taken the computer.”

The investigators wrote that he “…regretted not taking the computer by the bedside of Nelson, as I believed that this contained conversations between his staff and Nelson about medications possibly…”

According to the police documents, family members at the time alleged that people close to Prince were “shredding papers” and “deleting files off Prince’s computer.”

A search warrant for one of Prince’s e-mail accounts revealed that “content had been deleted.”

“If they knew they were intentionally impeding an police investigation, that is a crime. You are obstructing justice,” Daly said.

. . .[continued at link]

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Reply #562 posted 04/21/18 5:22pm

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disch said:

yup that bedroom was IDed in the reports as Prince's regular bedroom.

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What it tells me? The kind of things we assumed were true of Prince (i.e., the type of design he'd surround himself with) wasn't necessariy on the mark. That diparity between what we imagined and the reality was likely the case with other parts of his life too.

rap said:

Two bedrooms inside PP? Are you sure? It doesn't look very Princely!

Boy, this could be a whole mega-thread...

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Reply #563 posted 04/21/18 5:23pm

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Look at #21 on the incident report. I hadn't heard about that one.
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Reply #564 posted 04/21/18 5:26pm

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Reply #565 posted 04/21/18 5:33pm

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I thought I was getting lucky by getting some of the paperwork to transfer over here, but my lucky streak with it has run out. Sorry. sad

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Reply #566 posted 04/21/18 5:37pm

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endiadj said:

SoulAlive said:

Prince did not commit suicide,he died of an accidental drug overdose.Emphasis on the word accidental.

I don't dispute that. I said why can others endlessly spec about other illnesses without proof but not this.

anything other than the "official" reason will get lambasted, but if it was that simple we wouldn't be going round and round like we are. like i said, round and round we go...

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Reply #567 posted 04/21/18 5:41pm

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Digging through the files. If I'm reading this PDF right and it is Prince's iMessage history. He sent https://en.wikipedia.org/...osinusitis on 10/16/2015.



And Merone Beruke sent him emails with "Let's try this water 4 awhile..." as the title on 4/20. Doesn't sound like much but I was actually digging through old threads yesterday and guess what I found from 4/19?



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Reply #568 posted 04/21/18 5:41pm

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sonshine said:
He shouldn't have been left alone. I'm guessing the pills he got from the doc weren't working - yes, he would notice this right away, it doesn't take much time for these pills to work. Perhaps KJ was afraid he would take too many so he didn't leave them? Not sure wht he didn't try the other pills Dr S prescribed. I think Prince was already way deeper into the addiction/withdrawl battle than anyone realized except himself perhaps. He knew what was working for him and it wasn't straight up Percocet. That's why all the other pills. He wanted to make sure he always had something on hand that would work when he needed it. Withdrawl is agonizing. This can't be expressed enough. Addicts will do anything to avoid it. It is debillitating. Prince did not want to find himself in that predicament. I need to do some more research before I speak in error, but i thought i read once that Prince preferred a painkiller that waz taksn off the market. He probably found an illicit source for those pills. He could have had that stash of tainted pills for a long time if he had been able to procure a large supply. But he also could have had a reliable source for that particular pill and unfortunately got a bad batch recently. But its all speculation. I have been going around and around in circles trying to figure out how or why he was getting pills off the street when he didn't have to. I get the privacy thing. But i also think they were better, or worked better, for him. I think he was humoring KJ somewhat by going to the legit doctor. I think he knew in his heart by that point that he had a serious problem, those close to him were starting to see it and coming down on him, it was becoming unmanagable. I think he knew he was going away that next day to get help and he wanted to feel good one last time so he took the "good pills". I don't believe he knew he was taking fentanyl, and maybe it was just in the last week. But i wonder if he had been taking them unknowingly for longer. It would explain the decline. It would explain the turn downward people saw in him. Fentanyl is so dangerous because the high is fast and the high is good. But its short. As soon as the user gets off they are looking for the next high. Someone must have been helping him get the tainted pills. I doubt any of the players involved knew they were tainted tho.
There isn't any evidence he took pills to get high.

THe M.E clearly stated that there was no Fentanyl in the Bloods taken the night before at Schulenburgs offices...Its in amongst the Police Statements..THis is mentioned a couple of times..

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Reply #569 posted 04/21/18 5:53pm

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They said it was an accident, can we just let it be an accident? We won't get any more informations than the authorities.

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