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PennyPurple said:
kmama07 said:
PennyPurple said:
Is it your feeling that Kirk really didn't know he was using drugs, or just acting like he didn't know and staying tight lipped.
Apologies. I know I'm interrupting your conversation with Disch. I believe he had to have known. Why the secret Dr correspondence/phone calls and why the prescriptions in his name? Someone in the Prince circle was either getting or helping him get the counterfeit pills (not knowing they were cut with fetinyl). I don't believe there was a conspiracy to kill Prince, or that Prince committed suicide or that he had a fatal illness such as cancer. I believe he had a dependency on pain killers that simply got away from him. And by procuring non-prescription "prescription" pills off the street, he rolled the dice with his own life by not knowing what may or may not be in those pills. It's a sad, sucky situation. [Edited 4/20/18 11:02am]
The more I read, I think you are right. there was no underlying illness, people said he was complaining about his arm and hands hurting him. Nothing about hip pain.
On another note, I just got thru reading Judith's interview, the detective asked Judith if anyone has reached out to her to tell her to keep quiet about anything and her response was SHEILA.  Judith said Sheila was trying to be protective of her and told her, you know you can't say anything right. Sheila also told her if she needed a lawyer, if anyone comes out, we can help you with that. The detective asked JH if anyone else has tried to sway her and she said no, only Sheila. 
OK. So now I'm really pissed. Sheila too was 1 who was trying to keep things quiet. Well you know what? F Sheila. She's giving these tribute concerts, got a tat, selling things with the P Symbol and making money $$$ off of him STILL. And she told Judith to keep it quiet. OMFG. When as Prince fans are we going to stop supporting these enablers? WHEN?
Sheila??! Damn. Nothing surprises me anymore |
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Menes said:
precioux said:
Menes said:
Omarr may be borderline illiterate as his scribble scrabble notes indicate as much.
Compiling some notes for comparative timelines/events, and though ambiguous , is starting to make more sense. There's plenty.
Sidenote* If Dr. Schulenberg paid the reported fine(30k?), that may explain the "no violations "status on the Minnesota Medical Board. Not sure why or when the family plans to pursue him and any entity that may have had knowledge of that. That would be a priority for me especially if Dr. S had knowledge or thoughts concerning Prince's addiction.
Forgive me...I don’t keep up with Omarr whatsoever, or the estate business for that matter. I only read what was posted from the zip files in regards to his interviews. Agreed on your stance on Dr. S Thoughts on starting another thread similar to the one you started about the warrants? (Re:Discussions regarding main interviews from the zip files)  [Edited 4/20/18 16:02pm]
This one will take some time, but if someone wants to start it , I would certainly like to see where that would lead. Certainly ,we can eliminate the conspiracy junk like "murder/cancer etc. and stick to the meat of the problem which is :How well he was able to maintain an image whilst approaching a point of no return. This didn't happen suddenly. My anger has turned into sincere sympathy from what I'm seeing . This was a rather sinister road he went down, and quite obviously , miscalculated the effects of something far more greater than will power. I like this idea |
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Question: I am not american, but is it a common practice that the police releases to the public all info - including pics and videos - after an investigation? Just curious, not judging.
I ask this because I didnt see as many pics of Michael Jackson´s private life of George Michael´s.
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mrwiggles said: cloveringold85 said:
I just.....I don't know what to say. I'd be lying if I said my eyes didn't well up scrolling thru those. These pics make things very real for me. Prince, the man that I touted to friends as being this beacon of clean living. He was taking a lot of pills. Some of everything as the old folks used to say.
People would tell me he's gotta be on something, and I'd be like naw man come on. I know what you mean. For decades I was touting the same thing to people...the Prince clean living part. And when I decided to quit drinking six years ago, he was someone I thought of if I was having a tough time in the beginning. I feel disappointed, angry, duped, sad...but what it all boils down to is behind the glitz and glamour...he's just a dude. A person like the rest of us. Imperfect. [Edited 4/20/18 20:52pm] |
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What? Just ran across this:
On 10/5/17 They received an anonymous tip that KJ contacted Kim Berry the day they found Prince deceased and that he stated had to clean and move Prince's body prior to contacting Law Enforcement and that is the reason the clothes were on noted on being backwards during the autopsy. And the anonymous source also stated that Kim Berry had not worked for Prince for the past 6 years.
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cloveringold85 said:
Lovejunky said:
and what is this?????
When we have been told that all prescriptions were made out in Kirks Name to Protect Princes Privacy ???
Schulenberg admitted to this in his statement...
so how come we are seeing PRINCE ROGERS NELSON on these bottles???
ANd that all the pills found in Paisley Park were NOT in their original bottles rather they were in Advil and vitamin bottles?????
Once again things dont add up....
[Edited 4/20/18 17:29pm]
. ^^^^Those were the Rx's that Kirk picked up on April 20th. They did show other Rx that were in Kirk's name, but those were from CVS. These have to be older scripts. It's scripts for 30 pills each that say no refill until 4/20/17 |
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PennyPurple said:
jtfolden said:
Can anyone access and download right now? I got files 1, 3, 4 last night but today cant connect to get 2 and 5. :-/
I got all files but #4 and can't connect to get it either. Hopefully they didn't take it down.
I still can't get them... :-/ I guess i should have grabbed them last night too. Ugh |
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kmama07 said:
cloveringold85 said:
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^^^^Those were the Rx's that Kirk picked up on April 20th. They did show other Rx that were in Kirk's name, but those were from CVS.
These have to be older scripts. It's scripts for 30 pills each that say no refill until 4/20/17
No, they say one refill before 4/20/17. A lot of my prescriptions will state a date a year post original fill as to how long those refills are good for. So, if I fill a prescription today for my medication, it will state, "3 refills before 4/20/18". Prescriptions, such as a controlled substance, are no longer allowed to have refills, and they'll typically say, "No refills authorized without doctor's order".
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PennyPurple said:
What? Just ran across this:
On 10/5/17 They received an anonymous tip that KJ contacted Kim Berry the day they found Prince deceased and that he stated had to clean and move Prince's body prior to contacting Law Enforcement and that is the reason the clothes were on noted on being backwards during the autopsy. And the anonymous source also stated that Kim Berry had not worked for Prince for the past 6 years.
I don't want to go into details of what happens when someone passes, but, it's possible that he would have had to do this because Prince would not have been wanted to be found that way. This would explain why it seemed to take so long from when they arrived to when they called for help.
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Bodhitheblackdog said:
Menes said:
DD55 said:
In response ot Memes's post:
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Memes, you did such a fantastic job with the other thread bringing all the clues together. With this proposed thread what will be the topic? How we/everyone missed the signs? Who could have gotten the meds? Who else was involved? When did this start? How/when did it get so bad?
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I can’t download anything, the website is having issues so the only documents I’ve seen have been here on the org. That being said, I’ll start the speculation.
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in one of the interviews KJ said that the cameras have been down since 2009, P didn’t like the feeling that he was being ‘surveilled’, that leads me to believe this started before 2009 where he wouldn’t want to take the chance of anything he did being recorded on camera for security personnel or anyone else to see.
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And I am totally convinced now that Mani knew, that was what the Charlie Sheen tweet/facebook post was about… a cry to help him. However at the end of the day, all it did was get people to throw hate her way. It seems the ones who when against P’s self promoted story were vilified, when in the end, had people listened the course of events might have been altered.
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~DD55
I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants.
One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.
If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.
YUP, almost 2 years ago I called it 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassan -style' and that description seems even more true today. His blood relatives (among others) had no use for him save as a meal ticket and the knowledge that he controlled practically unimaginable assets for decades must have driven them nuts. Decades ago during the height of the AIDS crisis, people demonstrating for more research dollars held signs saying "Silence=Death".....All of you 'inner circle' Prince collaborators, family members, business associates, 'friends', lovers...think about it and what you might have done differently...if you had a soul. I actually remember that as a stand out comment. And agree with you. |
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benni said:
PennyPurple said:
What? Just ran across this:
On 10/5/17 They received an anonymous tip that KJ contacted Kim Berry the day they found Prince deceased and that he stated had to clean and move Prince's body prior to contacting Law Enforcement and that is the reason the clothes were on noted on being backwards during the autopsy. And the anonymous source also stated that Kim Berry had not worked for Prince for the past 6 years.
I don't want to go into details of what happens when someone passes, but, it's possible that he would have had to do this because Prince would not have been wanted to be found that way. This would explain why it seemed to take so long from when they arrived to when they called for help.
I know and this came from an anonymous tip. So I doubt that it is true. Even anonymous tips must be in LE records. |
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PennyPurple said:
What? Just ran across this:
On 10/5/17 They received an anonymous tip that KJ contacted Kim Berry the day they found Prince deceased and that he stated had to clean and move Prince's body prior to contacting Law Enforcement and that is the reason the clothes were on noted on being backwards during the autopsy. And the anonymous source also stated that Kim Berry had not worked for Prince for the past 6 years.
where did you find this? if true, it might explain why the bed in Prince's room was stripped of blankets and sheets?
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benni said:
kmama07 said:
cloveringold85 said:
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^^^^Those were the Rx's that Kirk picked up on April 20th. They did show other Rx that were in Kirk's name, but those were from CVS.
These have to be older scripts. It's scripts for 30 pills each that say no refill until 4/20/17
No, they say one refill before 4/20/17. A lot of my prescriptions will state a date a year post original fill as to how long those refills are good for. So, if I fill a prescription today for my medication, it will state, "3 refills before 4/20/18". Prescriptions, such as a controlled substance, are no longer allowed to have refills, and they'll typically say, "No refills authorized without doctor's order".
My mistake. Thanks for the clarification |
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XxAxX said:
PennyPurple said:
What? Just ran across this:
On 10/5/17 They received an anonymous tip that KJ contacted Kim Berry the day they found Prince deceased and that he stated had to clean and move Prince's body prior to contacting Law Enforcement and that is the reason the clothes were on noted on being backwards during the autopsy. And the anonymous source also stated that Kim Berry had not worked for Prince for the past 6 years.
where did you find this? if true, it might explain why the bed in Prince's room was stripped of blankets and sheets?
I found it on another website, I messaged you. |
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These are the drugs dr s prescribed on April 20. These specific drugs (they’re for opioid withdrawal symptoms) were listed in the warrants and dr s talks about them in his police interview. In his interview Kirk said prince took one in the car at Walgreens, said it “wasn’t helping” and didn’t bring them home with him. Kirk said that he (Kirk) took the bottles home with him. kmama07 said: cloveringold85 said:
Lovejunky said:
and what is this?????
When we have been told that all prescriptions were made out in Kirks Name to Protect Princes Privacy ???
Schulenberg admitted to this in his statement...
so how come we are seeing PRINCE ROGERS NELSON on these bottles???
ANd that all the pills found in Paisley Park were NOT in their original bottles rather they were in Advil and vitamin bottles?????
Once again things dont add up....
[Edited 4/20/18 17:29pm]
. ^^^^Those were the Rx's that Kirk picked up on April 20th. They did show other Rx that were in Kirk's name, but those were from CVS. These have to be older scripts. It's scripts for 30 pills each that say no refill until 4/20/17 |
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disch said: These are the drugs dr s prescribed on April 20. These specific drugs (they’re for opioid withdrawal symptoms) were listed in the warrants and dr s talks about them in his police interview. In his interview Kirk said prince took one in the car at Walgreens, said it “wasn’t helping” and didn’t bring them home with him. Kirk said that he (Kirk) took the bottles home with him. kmama07 said:
These have to be older scripts. It's scripts for 30 pills each that say no refill until 4/20/17
Yes. I misunderstood. |
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I think he would have defecated himself. I read that if you died while scared, it is more likely. As for her not working for Prince for 6 years, I think it might be that she didn't work in Paisley for 6 years and only did his hair when he came to L.A. the clothes didn't appear to be backwards, but maybe they were. If rigor mortis had set in, they would have known right away he was deceased. Even a medical student could determine that pretty quickly. If he did indeed clean Prince up in that fashion, that was an act of love.
benni said:
PennyPurple said:
What? Just ran across this:
On 10/5/17 They received an anonymous tip that KJ contacted Kim Berry the day they found Prince deceased and that he stated had to clean and move Prince's body prior to contacting Law Enforcement and that is the reason the clothes were on noted on being backwards during the autopsy. And the anonymous source also stated that Kim Berry had not worked for Prince for the past 6 years.
I don't want to go into details of what happens when someone passes, but, it's possible that he would have had to do this because Prince would not have been wanted to be found that way. This would explain why it seemed to take so long from when they arrived to when they called for help.
[Edited 4/20/18 21:04pm] [Edited 4/20/18 21:08pm] |
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Did the papers say what happened that let him to leaving him home alone without the anti-anxiety stuff.
kmama07 said:
disch said:
These are the drugs dr s prescribed on April 20. These specific drugs (they’re for opioid withdrawal symptoms) were listed in the warrants and dr s talks about them in his police interview. In his interview Kirk said prince took one in the car at Walgreens, said it “wasn’t helping” and didn’t bring them home with him. Kirk said that he (Kirk) took the bottles home with him.
Yes. I misunderstood.
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His most haunting song to me was Papa. Yes, believe it or not, sweet little Layla used to get some ass whoopins! Mine weren't abusive.....just a lot of them because I challenged authority a lot! But the ending of the song brings hope!
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Keeping things quiet after the fact is not the same thing as enabling. From my understanding that last time she saw him was 2012. But she claimed they talked on the phone after that about her shipping her drums to Paisley. And I believe her drums are there. She even posted it about the conversation online in 2014.
kmama07 said:
PennyPurple said:
The more I read, I think you are right. there was no underlying illness, people said he was complaining about his arm and hands hurting him. Nothing about hip pain.
On another note, I just got thru reading Judith's interview, the detective asked Judith if anyone has reached out to her to tell her to keep quiet about anything and her response was SHEILA. Judith said Sheila was trying to be protective of her and told her, you know you can't say anything right. Sheila also told her if she needed a lawyer, if anyone comes out, we can help you with that. The detective asked JH if anyone else has tried to sway her and she said no, only Sheila.
OK. So now I'm really pissed. Sheila too was 1 who was trying to keep things quiet. Well you know what? F Sheila. She's giving these tribute concerts, got a tat, selling things with the P Symbol and making money $$$ off of him STILL. And she told Judith to keep it quiet. OMFG. When as Prince fans are we going to stop supporting these enablers? WHEN?
Sheila??! Damn. Nothing surprises me anymore
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kmama07 said: PennyPurple said:
kmama07 said:
PennyPurple said:
Is it your feeling that Kirk really didn't know he was using drugs, or just acting like he didn't know and staying tight lipped.
Apologies. I know I'm interrupting your conversation with Disch. I believe he had to have known. Why the secret Dr correspondence/phone calls and why the prescriptions in his name? Someone in the Prince circle was either getting or helping him get the counterfeit pills (not knowing they were cut with fetinyl). I don't believe there was a conspiracy to kill Prince, or that Prince committed suicide or that he had a fatal illness such as cancer. I believe he had a dependency on pain killers that simply got away from him. And by procuring non-prescription "prescription" pills off the street, he rolled the dice with his own life by not knowing what may or may not be in those pills. It's a sad, sucky situation. [Edited 4/20/18 11:02am]
The more I read, I think you are right. there was no underlying illness, people said he was complaining about his arm and hands hurting him. Nothing about hip pain.
On another note, I just got thru reading Judith's interview, the detective asked Judith if anyone has reached out to her to tell her to keep quiet about anything and her response was SHEILA. Judith said Sheila was trying to be protective of her and told her, you know you can't say anything right. Sheila also told her if she needed a lawyer, if anyone comes out, we can help you with that. The detective asked JH if anyone else has tried to sway her and she said no, only Sheila.
OK. So now I'm really pissed. Sheila too was 1 who was trying to keep things quiet. Well you know what? F Sheila. She's giving these tribute concerts, got a tat, selling things with the P Symbol and making money $$$ off of him STILL. And she told Judith to keep it quiet. OMFG. When as Prince fans are we going to stop supporting these enablers? WHEN?
Sheila??! Damn. Nothing surprises me anymore I feel the same way above Sheila..All those interviews..even claiming he probably kept her at bay because she would be able to tell something was wrong..and she really knew all the time  Until the end of time |
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purplerabbithole said:
Keeping things quiet after the fact is not the same thing as enabling. From my understanding that last time she saw him was 2012. But she claimed they talked on the phone after that about her shipping her drums to Paisley. And I believe her drums are there. She even posted it about the conversation online in 2014.
She kept quiet DURING the fact and then told Judith to stay quiet. |
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I just noticed something about this picture from another thread:
In the third picture, there was a phone right next to Prince's bed. So how and WHY the fuck is it that he died alone in that elevator?
someone on the other thread said this is a staged bedroom ... i dont know why there would be a telephone and all those wires in a staged bedroom .....Judith Hill said his bedroom was green in her police statement |
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PennyPurple said:
purplerabbithole said:
Keeping things quiet after the fact is not the same thing as enabling. From my understanding that last time she saw him was 2012. But she claimed they talked on the phone after that about her shipping her drums to Paisley. And I believe her drums are there. She even posted it about the conversation online in 2014.
She kept quiet DURING the fact and then told Judith to stay quiet. PennyPurple..You are so right..Even if she didn't know..Why tell Judith not to tell everything? Especially since she's claimed all along she knew he had pain but had no idea how he died.She would if encouraged Judith to remember every detail then.Very disappointed in her. Until the end of time |
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Did she pick up drugs for him? No. A lot of people suspected or heard rumors including Revolution members who wanted to reunite with him. . Maybe outing him to the public would have helped but he would have just denied it, sued them, and the legacy would be tarnished. And I am not sure it would have stopped the addiction. Maybe telling teh police would have helped, but she didn't have solid proof. Its obviously a complicated thing. But her disassociation with Prince in 2012 may not have just been because he put on LG instead of her in the concert. It might have been partly because of she suspected he was doing drugs again but couldn't prove it because he pushed her away...thus what she said in the interview might have some truth even if she stated it in a somewhat vague way.. She wasn't there after that to enable. We don't know her whole story but we know she didn't pick up drugs for him or be a permanent member of Paisley Park.
PennyPurple said:
purplerabbithole said:
Keeping things quiet after the fact is not the same thing as enabling. From my understanding that last time she saw him was 2012. But she claimed they talked on the phone after that about her shipping her drums to Paisley. And I believe her drums are there. She even posted it about the conversation online in 2014.
She kept quiet DURING the fact and then told Judith to stay quiet.
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I lit a candle for Prince spirit and his ancestors keep him.
Also for those who need help with any form of self harm/ addiction, may lives be saved and changed protocols of true medical care.
May we all life for love as well as our passions. Love and healing find you.
Even any guilty parties may you find peace. |
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I'm not ready to jump on the "Poor Manuela had to endure being married to a drug addict"She pursued him,He was married,She got many millions,She tried to trademark several P related entities a few days after his death.
P paid for that school in his name obviously.She wanted over 40k a month in alimony besides all the millions and a house.He was her husband.Did she try to do an invention besides talking to Larry who was apparently living in a Prince owned home and also apparently paid well for performing with Prince.Why is her current husband making money singing P's songs? Until the end of time |
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Calm down. Taking pain pills doesn't mean he was doing it constantly. She was worried. She asked around. I imagine he was hiding it from her. Yes, she wanted money and she is not perfect. But damn, she was married to him. Mayte was around to witness Prince overdosing on "aspirin" and "wine", once flushed pills for him, and noticed areas where he had vomited. Where was her intervention? Obviously, interventions are not going to be easy in this situation and world.
Purplebflogirl said:
I'm not ready to jump on the "Poor Manuela had to endure being married to a drug addict"She pursued him,He was married,She got many millions,She tried to trademark several P related entities a few days after his death. P paid for that school in his name obviously.She wanted over 40k a month in alimony besides all the millions and a house.He was her husband.Did she try to do an invention besides talking to Larry who was apparently living in a Prince owned home and also apparently paid well for performing with Prince.Why is her current husband making money singing P's songs?
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There has been no comment about Larry and Prince being on the outs with each other, because Larry didn't want to do anything and Prince didn't like freeloaders? Did anyone else read that? |
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