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Reply #270 posted 04/20/18 6:00pm

Menes

DD55 said:

precioux said:

Menes said: Nailed it once again, Menes! “This didn’t happen suddenly...my anger has turned to sincere sympathy” “Miscalculated the effects of something far greater than willpower”

In response ot Memes's post:

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Memes, you did such a fantastic job with the other thread bringing all the clues together. With this proposed thread what will be the topic? How we/everyone missed the signs? Who could have gotten the meds? Who else was involved? When did this start? How/when did it get so bad?

.

I can’t download anything, the website is having issues so the only documents I’ve seen have been here on the org. That being said, I’ll start the speculation.

.

in one of the interviews KJ said that the cameras have been down since 2009, P didn’t like the feeling that he was being ‘surveilled’, that leads me to believe this started before 2009 where he wouldn’t want to take the chance of anything he did being recorded on camera for security personnel or anyone else to see.

.

And I am totally convinced now that Mani knew, that was what the Charlie Sheen tweet/facebook post was about… a cry to help him. However at the end of the day, all it did was get people to throw hate her way. It seems the ones who when against P’s self promoted story were vilified, when in the end, had people listened the course of events might have been altered.

.

~DD55

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

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Reply #271 posted 04/20/18 6:04pm

purplerabbitho
le

Prince survived other bouts with pain, drugs and thinness...(see 2009). They might have figured they had time to figure it out and that he would survive again. I am not going into sinister thoughts unless I have to beyond a reasonable doubt. Mekure is the one I question the most because she was new, the most evasive and self-protective. And was the one dealing with his numerous emails.

Menes said:

DD55 said:

In response ot Memes's post:

.

Memes, you did such a fantastic job with the other thread bringing all the clues together. With this proposed thread what will be the topic? How we/everyone missed the signs? Who could have gotten the meds? Who else was involved? When did this start? How/when did it get so bad?

.

I can’t download anything, the website is having issues so the only documents I’ve seen have been here on the org. That being said, I’ll start the speculation.

.

in one of the interviews KJ said that the cameras have been down since 2009, P didn’t like the feeling that he was being ‘surveilled’, that leads me to believe this started before 2009 where he wouldn’t want to take the chance of anything he did being recorded on camera for security personnel or anyone else to see.

.

And I am totally convinced now that Mani knew, that was what the Charlie Sheen tweet/facebook post was about… a cry to help him. However at the end of the day, all it did was get people to throw hate her way. It seems the ones who when against P’s self promoted story were vilified, when in the end, had people listened the course of events might have been altered.

.

~DD55

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

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Reply #272 posted 04/20/18 6:05pm

LadyLayla

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cloveringold85 said:

mrwiggles said:

cloveringold85 said: I just.....I don't know what to say. I'd be lying if I said my eyes didn't well up scrolling thru those. These pics make things very real for me. Prince, the man that I touted to friends as being this beacon of clean living. He was taking a lot of pills. Some of everything as the old folks used to say. People would tell me he's gotta be on something, and I'd be like naw man come on.

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I just saw the pics on "Mediatakeout", and they were not fogged-out. It was hard for me to look at him, laying there -- he's at peace now. His clothing were just as it was described, but his clothes were not on backwards, as many reported. I started to cry, and said "Sorry, Prince". sad

You notice how much acceleration "The Opiod Crisis" got after Prince passed. No judgement here. It's almost like he gave his life for us to have serious conversations about

  1. Pain and Pain Management
  2. Taking care of each other
  3. Looking into big Pharma about their studies on opiods (refer to the 60 Minutes stories)
  4. Getting help when help is needed

In a way, Prince went through the wall so many others could jump over it. Peace be with you Prince

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Reply #273 posted 04/20/18 6:06pm

Lovejunky

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I also find THIS extremely ODD

In the middle of a text conversation with Schulenburg

Kirk Accidentally sends a picture of the some back stairs, Im assuming somewhere in Paisley..

Firstly....Accidentally sending a picture ..well

He was obvioulsy sending that picture to someone else coz it take s a few steps to forward a picture from your phone...Its not like you can accidentally forward a picture to anyone with great ease...

so it was Accidentally sent to the wrong number...so he obviously was intending to send it to someone...

Secondly why would Kirk send that picture to ANYONE especially at the time he is engaged in conversation with a Doctor?

It makes it seem like he was showing someone they way to ???

I dont know...maybe Im overthinking...but

you cant accedentally send a picture from your phone..

You CAN send it to the wrong person though

Mumio said:

Lovejunky said:

and what is this?????

When we have been told that all prescriptions were made out in Kirks Name to Protect Princes Privacy ???

Schulenberg admitted to this in his statement...

so how come we are seeing PRINCE ROGERS NELSON on these bottles???

ANd that all the pills found in Paisley Park were NOT in their original bottles rather they were in Advil and vitamin bottles?????

Once again things dont add up....

4B558A7700000578-5636485-Images_released_by_the_Midwest_Medical_Examiner_s_office_show_bo-a-36_1524192065882.jpg

[Edited 4/20/18 17:29pm]


Correct.


[Edited 4/20/18 18:16pm]

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Reply #274 posted 04/20/18 6:08pm

Lovejunky

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Yep

This has crossed my mind many times too..

Puts a whole new spin on

I would die 4 U

LadyLayla said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I just saw the pics on "Mediatakeout", and they were not fogged-out. It was hard for me to look at him, laying there -- he's at peace now. His clothing were just as it was described, but his clothes were not on backwards, as many reported. I started to cry, and said "Sorry, Prince". sad

You notice how much acceleration "The Opiod Crisis" got after Prince passed. No judgement here. It's almost like he gave his life for us to have serious conversations about

  1. Pain and Pain Management
  2. Taking care of each other
  3. Looking into big Pharma about their studies on opiods (refer to the 60 Minutes stories)
  4. Getting help when help is needed

In a way, Prince went through the wall so many others could jump over it. Peace be with you Prince

Image result for prince memes

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #275 posted 04/20/18 6:10pm

Menes

purplerabbithole said:

Prince survived other bouts with pain, drugs and thinness...(see 2009). They might have figured they had time to figure it out and that he would survive again. I am not going into sinister thoughts unless I have to beyond a reasonable doubt. Mekure is the one I question the most because she was new, the most evasive and self-protective. And was the one dealing with his numerous emails.

Menes said:

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

But she's not the one making any statements that would directly place her in a position to have foreknowledge of anything. As you stated , she was new. Perhaps naive, but certainly not a wayward and blatant disregard for things she may have known for years. Big difference.

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Reply #276 posted 04/20/18 6:12pm

Bodhitheblackd
og

Menes said:

DD55 said:

In response ot Memes's post:

.

Memes, you did such a fantastic job with the other thread bringing all the clues together. With this proposed thread what will be the topic? How we/everyone missed the signs? Who could have gotten the meds? Who else was involved? When did this start? How/when did it get so bad?

.

I can’t download anything, the website is having issues so the only documents I’ve seen have been here on the org. That being said, I’ll start the speculation.

.

in one of the interviews KJ said that the cameras have been down since 2009, P didn’t like the feeling that he was being ‘surveilled’, that leads me to believe this started before 2009 where he wouldn’t want to take the chance of anything he did being recorded on camera for security personnel or anyone else to see.

.

And I am totally convinced now that Mani knew, that was what the Charlie Sheen tweet/facebook post was about… a cry to help him. However at the end of the day, all it did was get people to throw hate her way. It seems the ones who when against P’s self promoted story were vilified, when in the end, had people listened the course of events might have been altered.

.

~DD55

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

YUP, almost 2 years ago I called it 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassan -style' and that description seems even more true today. His blood relatives (among others) had no use for him save as a meal ticket and the knowledge that he controlled practically unimaginable assets for decades must have driven them nuts. Decades ago during the height of the AIDS crisis, people demonstrating for more research dollars held signs saying "Silence=Death".....All of you 'inner circle' Prince collaborators, family members, business associates, 'friends', lovers...think about it and what you might have done differently...if you had a soul.

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Reply #277 posted 04/20/18 6:19pm

purplerabbitho
le

I am sure they did think about what they might have done differently. Beyond their self interest, there is a quality of life issue here. the man was in pain and could not give up what he loved the most, what sustained him and made him what he was. How do you force him to live in pain without the thing that gave him a reason to live. He wasnt taking drugs for shits and giggles. It almost like people with food addiction. You have to eat. I think he probably had an off and on again problem that no one thought would result in a drug that strong being in his system *even the person picking the counterfit pills up might not have known. Prince kept people in their compartments and excised people (through avoidance, walls, and sometimes firings) from his life almost rendering them incapable of helping. But it must be said that Kirk was arranging for help. Who else can say that? People left because they didn't want to "enable" but someone needed to stick around and find a way to ween him off while concerning themselves with his wishes and quality of life.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

YUP, almost 2 years ago I called it 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassan -style' and that description seems even more true today. His blood relatives (among others) had no use for him save as a meal ticket and the knowledge that he controlled practically unimaginable assets for decades must have driven them nuts. Decades ago during the height of the AIDS crisis, people demonstrating for more research dollars held signs saying "Silence=Death".....All of you 'inner circle' Prince collaborators, family members, business associates, 'friends', lovers...think about it and what you might have done differently...if you had a soul.

[Edited 4/20/18 18:22pm]

[Edited 4/20/18 18:41pm]

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Reply #278 posted 04/20/18 6:21pm

DD55

Lovejunky said:

I also find THIS extremely ODD

In the middle of a text conversation with Schulenburg

Kirk Accidentally sends a picture of the some back stairs, Im assuming somewhere in Paisley..

Firstly....Accidentally sending a picture ..well

He was obvioulsy sending that picture to someone else coz it take s a few steps to forward a picture from your phone...Its not like you can accidentally forward a picture to anyone with great ease...

so it was Accidentally sent to the wrong number...so he obviously was intending to send it to someone...

Secondly why would Kirk send that picture to ANYONE especially at the time he is engaged in conversation with a Doctor?

It makes it seem like he was showing someone they way to ???

I dont know...maybe Im overthinking...but

you cant accedentally send a picture from your phone..

You CAN send it to the wrong person though

Mumio said:


Correct.


[Edited 4/20/18 18:16pm]

We've all had two conversations going on at the same time, maybe he was talking to one of his kids, the doctor and someone else at the same time. I that situation when you're texting several people at once you can send a picture to the wrong person....BUT now tht you mention it, it's an odd picture to be sending in the first place. Empty stairs? Was texting the Cornfeld guy from CA and giving him directions? Lot's of speculation on my part. ~DD55

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Reply #279 posted 04/20/18 6:23pm

Dini

It is confusing. I thought it was that the pills that killed Prince, the counterfeit Vicodin containing Fentantyl, were in Alieve, Vitamin bottles etc. It is just an ugly situation.

Lovejunky said:

I also find THIS extremely ODD

In the middle of a text conversation with Schulenburg

Kirk Accidentally sends a picture of the some back stairs, Im assuming somewhere in Paisley..

Firstly....Accidentally sending a picture ..well

He was obvioulsy sending that picture to someone else coz it take s a few steps to forward a picture from your phone...Its not like you can accidentally forward a picture to anyone with great ease...

so it was Accidentally sent to the wrong number...so he obviously was intending to send it to someone...

Secondly why would Kirk send that picture to ANYONE especially at the time he is engaged in conversation with a Doctor?

It makes it seem like he was showing someone they way to ???

I dont know...maybe Im overthinking...but

you cant accedentally send a picture from your phone..

You CAN send it to the wrong person though

Mumio said:


Correct.


[Edited 4/20/18 18:16pm]

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Reply #280 posted 04/20/18 6:26pm

purplerabbitho
le

Her newness is the very reason Prince might have used her to procure drugs. She wouldn't know all the past incidents or how to read his behaviors. She would be easy to manipulate.

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

Prince survived other bouts with pain, drugs and thinness...(see 2009). They might have figured they had time to figure it out and that he would survive again. I am not going into sinister thoughts unless I have to beyond a reasonable doubt. Mekure is the one I question the most because she was new, the most evasive and self-protective. And was the one dealing with his numerous emails.

But she's not the one making any statements that would directly place her in a position to have foreknowledge of anything. As you stated , she was new. Perhaps naive, but certainly not a wayward and blatant disregard for things she may have known for years. Big difference.

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Reply #281 posted 04/20/18 6:31pm

NotACleverName

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purplerabbithole said:

Prince survived other bouts with pain, drugs and thinness...(see 2009). They might have figured they had time to figure it out and that he would survive again. I am not going into sinister thoughts unless I have to beyond a reasonable doubt. Mekure is the one I question the most because she was new, the most evasive and self-protective. And was the one dealing with his numerous emails.


If I'm following your train of thought correctly, you suspect Meron (last name Burke....are you just cleverly combining the two to get "Mekure"?) was fielding Prince's dark web opioid purchases?

Personally, from info gleaned reading through various interviews, I don't doubt that Prince was managing to procure his stash w/o the assistance of anyone. I feel he had the wherewithal to manage this all by himself. After all, through his own sheer willpower, he was a man who usually succeeded in obtaining his every heart's desire.

However, if we're going there, I still say the Chaka/Fentanyl connection is interesting.

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
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Reply #282 posted 04/20/18 6:39pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

YUP, almost 2 years ago I called it 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassan -style' and that description seems even more true today. His blood relatives (among others) had no use for him save as a meal ticket and the knowledge that he controlled practically unimaginable assets for decades must have driven them nuts. Decades ago during the height of the AIDS crisis, people demonstrating for more research dollars held signs saying "Silence=Death".....All of you 'inner circle' Prince collaborators, family members, business associates, 'friends', lovers...think about it and what you might have done differently...if you had a soul.

Greek Tragedy - Chanhassen- style. Indeed it is so. In essence, this man was literally dying a preventable death in front of many eyes for years. This wasn't a week of observation and silence ,but rather, years. Is this the equivalent of abandonment? When you're as estranged from his family as he was, who was he going to ask for help? There must have been some intense form of disconnect between everyone that saw and Prince. The question is, was this the norm? As in, if I don't ask, don't help?

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Reply #283 posted 04/20/18 6:39pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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http://www.startribune.co...480428763/

This article is difficult to read.

Very difficult.


Example:

Crystal Zehetner, Prince’s personal chef and business manager from 2010 to 2012, said he would often complain about hip pain, and that “everyone knew Prince was addicted to pain pills.” Anyone who worked closely with him who said otherwise was “lying,” she told one officer


I love his music.

Nothing will change that...NOTHING.

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Reply #284 posted 04/20/18 6:46pm

purplerabbitho
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It doesn't necessarily mean Kirk was "lying". He might have meant that he didn't know Prince was back on pills again and had found a way to procure them himself. Like i said earlier, KJ obviously made some mistakes and was secretive and loyal maybe in a ill=adviced way. But he was the one calling his doctor (a doctor who never seemed to prescribe more than what was needed for pain and withdrawal), carrying P off the tarmac, expressing concern to others, and arranging for rehab. Those who left because they didn't want to enable him were admirable but they had to know that P would just hire someone new everytime an employee caught on to something odd. Sticking around to find a way to help and still insure his quality of life and his dignity could not have been easy.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

http://www.startribune.co...480428763/

This article is difficult to read.

Very difficult.


Example:

Crystal Zehetner, Prince’s personal chef and business manager from 2010 to 2012, said he would often complain about hip pain, and that “everyone knew Prince was addicted to pain pills.” Anyone who worked closely with him who said otherwise was “lying,” she told one officer


I love his music.

Nothing will change that...NOTHING.

[Edited 4/20/18 18:49pm]

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Reply #285 posted 04/20/18 6:48pm

Menes

purplerabbithole said:

Her newness is the very reason Prince might have used her to procure drugs. She wouldn't know all the past incidents or how to read his behaviors. She would be easy to manipulate.

Menes said:

But she's not the one making any statements that would directly place her in a position to have foreknowledge of anything. As you stated , she was new. Perhaps naive, but certainly not a wayward and blatant disregard for things she may have known for years. Big difference.

Well, I think you may have incidentally " gone into sinister thoughts" and attached a name to such thoughts for good measure. Oh, and lest I forget, beyond a reasonable doubt at that. lol.

Soooooo, my point was that there is nothing to support that the young lady may have had knowledge the Prince may have been a long term user. Statements corrobarate that someone knew that Prince was dealing with this problem way before the 14th of April.

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Reply #286 posted 04/20/18 6:49pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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purplerabbithole said:

It doesn't necessarily mean Kirk was "lying". He might have meant that he didn't know Prince was back on pills again and had found a way to procure them himself. Like i said earlier, KJ obviously made some mistakes and was secretive and loyal maybe in a ill=adviced way. But he was the one calling his doctor, carrying P off the tarmac, expressing concern to others, and arranging for rehab. Those who left because they didn't want to enable him were admirable but they had to know that P would just hire someone new everytime an employee caught on to something odd. Sticking around to find a way to help and still insure his quality of life and his dignity could not have been easy.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

http://www.startribune.co...480428763/

This article is difficult to read.

Very difficult.


Example:

Crystal Zehetner, Prince’s personal chef and business manager from 2010 to 2012, said he would often complain about hip pain, and that “everyone knew Prince was addicted to pain pills.” Anyone who worked closely with him who said otherwise was “lying,” she told one officer


I love his music.

Nothing will change that...NOTHING.

I have never ONCE in two years said Kirk was lying.

pimp2

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Reply #287 posted 04/20/18 6:55pm

purplerabbitho
le

I never said you were saying that. I assumed that that chef was alluding to Kirk because Kirk had told the cops that he didn't know about the pills until the overdose but started to suspect it around April 7th. What kirk said in Molene (not to cops but to the doctors) seemed to indicate that he was discovering that P was up to his drug taking again. Someone made a good point in that article, they said it can be hard to tell if painkiller addiction is going on. New employees might just think the man was irritable. Kirk might have seen the ups and downs of his addiction and wasn't absolutely certain the pills were a problem again until the two weeks before but started to suspect. There are lots of reason someone can act depressed or irritable...Pain in and of itself will do that. The reality is that P was too active and at his workaholic ways to be constantly doped up in a clearly obvious way.He had a history of drug problems but it doesn't mean he was existing in a drug-induced stupor for 10-12 years. He functioned.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

purplerabbithole said:

It doesn't necessarily mean Kirk was "lying". He might have meant that he didn't know Prince was back on pills again and had found a way to procure them himself. Like i said earlier, KJ obviously made some mistakes and was secretive and loyal maybe in a ill=adviced way. But he was the one calling his doctor, carrying P off the tarmac, expressing concern to others, and arranging for rehab. Those who left because they didn't want to enable him were admirable but they had to know that P would just hire someone new everytime an employee caught on to something odd. Sticking around to find a way to help and still insure his quality of life and his dignity could not have been easy.

I have never ONCE in two years said Kirk was lying.

pimp2

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Reply #288 posted 04/20/18 6:58pm

purplerabbitho
le

Good point. But I am just saying that she seemed the most nervous to answer any questions.

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

Her newness is the very reason Prince might have used her to procure drugs. She wouldn't know all the past incidents or how to read his behaviors. She would be easy to manipulate.

Well, I think you may have incidentally " gone into sinister thoughts" and attached a name to such thoughts for good measure. Oh, and lest I forget, beyond a reasonable doubt at that. lol.

Soooooo, my point was that there is nothing to support that the young lady may have had knowledge the Prince may have been a long term user. Statements corrobarate that someone knew that Prince was dealing with this problem way before the 14th of April.

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Reply #289 posted 04/20/18 7:10pm

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bondno9 said:

Hmm ... Clonidine is used to treat high blood pressure. Certain formulas can alo treat ADHD and cancer pain. The other two scripts are for anxiety. These must have been prescribed by Dr. S but in P's name ... however Dr. S illegally prescribed a script for oxycodone on 4/14 in KJ's name. P's toxicology report did show that diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodon were found in his system.

In the transcripts Dr. S said the Clonidine is used to treat high blood pressure, but it is also used to treat withdrawels and that is why he prescribed it to P, for withdrawels.

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Reply #290 posted 04/20/18 7:15pm

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Lovejunky said:

I also find THIS extremely ODD

In the middle of a text conversation with Schulenburg

Kirk Accidentally sends a picture of the some back stairs, Im assuming somewhere in Paisley..

Firstly....Accidentally sending a picture ..well

He was obvioulsy sending that picture to someone else coz it take s a few steps to forward a picture from your phone...Its not like you can accidentally forward a picture to anyone with great ease...

so it was Accidentally sent to the wrong number...so he obviously was intending to send it to someone...

Secondly why would Kirk send that picture to ANYONE especially at the time he is engaged in conversation with a Doctor?

It makes it seem like he was showing someone they way to ???

I dont know...maybe Im overthinking...but

you cant accedentally send a picture from your phone..

You CAN send it to the wrong person though



[Edited 4/20/18 18:16pm]

We know P wasn't cell phone saavy. I said last night that some of those texts sounded like it was P who was texting.

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Reply #291 posted 04/20/18 7:16pm

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I remember you saying that. LOL

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I think someone else should handle that because it will be an exhaustive search to cross check all of that information . I fell off the wagon a few times doing the warrants. eek

One thing that is now unequivocally clear, is that tacit silence, is assent, and therefore, warrants a closer look. There are way too many tell tale signs that Prince was clearly going thru a physical metamorphosis in a very bad way. If we have now ascertain that there was no cancer or debilitating/end of life disease that expedited death, we should question quite thoroughly , the blind eyes who saw this same mortifying change.

If you're a former addict, YOU recognize things ... If you make statements with such vivid interpretation, YOU recognized things. If you interpret a conversation that you publicly translate as an end of life statement, YOU recognized something. If you believe he was not doing well, YOU recognized something. These things are quantified by time, the timing and silence, which in restrospect, is very calculating.

YUP, almost 2 years ago I called it 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassan -style' and that description seems even more true today. His blood relatives (among others) had no use for him save as a meal ticket and the knowledge that he controlled practically unimaginable assets for decades must have driven them nuts. Decades ago during the height of the AIDS crisis, people demonstrating for more research dollars held signs saying "Silence=Death".....All of you 'inner circle' Prince collaborators, family members, business associates, 'friends', lovers...think about it and what you might have done differently...if you had a soul.

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Reply #292 posted 04/20/18 7:24pm

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Come on...You dont think Prince knew his way around technology enough to use a cell phone properly?

Still the question remains WHY THAT PICTURE ???

PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

I also find THIS extremely ODD

In the middle of a text conversation with Schulenburg

Kirk Accidentally sends a picture of the some back stairs, Im assuming somewhere in Paisley..

Firstly....Accidentally sending a picture ..well

He was obvioulsy sending that picture to someone else coz it take s a few steps to forward a picture from your phone...Its not like you can accidentally forward a picture to anyone with great ease...

so it was Accidentally sent to the wrong number...so he obviously was intending to send it to someone...

Secondly why would Kirk send that picture to ANYONE especially at the time he is engaged in conversation with a Doctor?

It makes it seem like he was showing someone they way to ???

I dont know...maybe Im overthinking...but

you cant accedentally send a picture from your phone..

You CAN send it to the wrong person though

[Edited 4/20/18 18:16pm]

We know P wasn't cell phone saavy. I said last night that some of those texts sounded like it was P who was texting.

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Reply #293 posted 04/20/18 7:29pm

206Michelle

Prince’s Friends Fiercely Guarded His Privacy, Complicating Overdose Investigation

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2...ation.html

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Excerpt:

"But the hundreds of pages of investigative documents released by the Carver County Sheriff’s Office did pull back the curtain on Prince’s intense reliance on his intimate circle of friends and employees, as well as their desire to protect him, as demonstrated by Mr. Johnson’s behavior in Moline. In their limited statements to investigators, those closest to Prince in his final years said that the depths of his opioid addiction had been largely concealed from them until his final weeks when they rushed to save him."

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"Those who had been close to Prince in earlier days told investigators a different story. An ex-wife, a former business manager, a past tour manager and Sheila E., a longtime musical collaborator, each told police that Prince had used prescription painkillers for many years, both discreetly and with a sense of shame. They said Prince had relied on a small network of people to obtain medication while maintaining his privacy."

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"This seeming contradiction — with some of Prince’s associates saying they were aware of his long struggle with pain medication, but others saying they had no idea until the very end — ultimately frustrated investigators."

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"Manuela Testolini, Prince’s wife from 2001 to 2007, told police that Prince often used narcotic pain pills during that period to manage his bodily aches. Sheila E. said that Prince had always wanted to hide how much pain he was in. Years ago, she told police, people working for the singer would obtain prescriptions for him in their own names to protect his privacy."

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I have not read the documents from the Carver County Sheriff's Office yet. However, to my knowledge, this NY Times article is the first one to report that Mani stated that Prince used painkillers regularly during their marriage.

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Reply #294 posted 04/20/18 7:29pm

laytonian

LoveJunky said:
"and what is this?????

When we have been told that all prescriptions were made out in Kirks Name to Protect Princes Privacy ???"

NO. We have not been told that ALL prescriptions were in Kirks [sic] name. ONLY the painkiller prescription on 4/14/16.

THINK, people! You've seen the photo of Prince PUBLICLY outside the pharmacy waiting for those very three prescriptions to be filled on 4/20.

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Reply #295 posted 04/20/18 7:35pm

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206Michelle said:

Prince’s Friends Fiercely Guarded His Privacy, Complicating Overdose Investigation

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2...ation.html

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Excerpt:

"But the hundreds of pages of investigative documents released by the Carver County Sheriff’s Office did pull back the curtain on Prince’s intense reliance on his intimate circle of friends and employees, as well as their desire to protect him, as demonstrated by Mr. Johnson’s behavior in Moline. In their limited statements to investigators, those closest to Prince in his final years said that the depths of his opioid addiction had been largely concealed from them until his final weeks when they rushed to save him."

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"Those who had been close to Prince in earlier days told investigators a different story. An ex-wife, a former business manager, a past tour manager and Sheila E., a longtime musical collaborator, each told police that Prince had used prescription painkillers for many years, both discreetly and with a sense of shame. They said Prince had relied on a small network of people to obtain medication while maintaining his privacy."

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"This seeming contradiction — with some of Prince’s associates saying they were aware of his long struggle with pain medication, but others saying they had no idea until the very end — ultimately frustrated investigators."

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"Manuela Testolini, Prince’s wife from 2001 to 2007, told police that Prince often used narcotic pain pills during that period to manage his bodily aches. Sheila E. said that Prince had always wanted to hide how much pain he was in. Years ago, she told police, people working for the singer would obtain prescriptions for him in their own names to protect his privacy."

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I have not read the documents from the Carver County Sheriff's Office yet. However, to my knowledge, this NY Times article is the first one to report that Mani stated that Prince used painkillers regularly during their marriage.

Thanks Michelle

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Reply #296 posted 04/20/18 7:39pm

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It seems to me that Prince took Vicodin on and off when he needed to in able to perform. He did not buy them through normal channels because he wanted to protect his privacy. Unfortunately this led him to buy pills laced with fentanyl. No mystery really.
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Reply #297 posted 04/20/18 7:52pm

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Joshua Welton described Prince's inner circle at the time of his death as "very, very, very, very, very tight" — including Johnson, assistant Meron Bekure and the Weltons. He said he had seen little of Prince's sister, Tyka Nelson, in recent years. "He's made comments like you guys are more family to me than my blood relatives," Welton said.


This just devastates me. But it's also something I understand so very well. Up until a couple of years ago, I had no one in my biological family that I would actually call "family". The isolation and loss associated with that was deep. For me, in recent times, my sister and I have started working on our relationship and have become very close. But before then, my family were the friends I had chosen to get close to. The fact that the Weltons (and many of those that he chose to surround himself with) had only been with him for a very short time, really speaks to how isolated Prince must have felt his entire life, how very few people that Prince felt truly loved him for himself. It's just heart wrenching to think that this man, that we all loved so much, must have felt so alone.

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Reply #298 posted 04/20/18 7:56pm

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Reading these things that have come out, the fact that his hands were hurting so bad and him feeling that is why he couldn't stop taking the pills, that he wouldn't be able to perform -- the ultimate take away for me is that he lived, and died, for his music. And while I have felt blessed and thankful that I got to see his last two performances, this is now colored with feeling guilty and ashamed that the last performances may have lead to this tragic ending. And I just don't know how to feel about those last performances any more.

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Reply #299 posted 04/20/18 8:01pm

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Who erased all the emails on his laptop? There was no need to protect P as he was deceased.IMHO whomever did that was trying to protect themselves.
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