PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said: There's a major difference between medicating for chronic pain and using recreational drugs. In all other aspects Prince was clean living. Have you ever experienced chronic pain? If you ever do I hope you're not met by your own severity of judgement.

I live with the effects of chronic pain with my husband 24/7. My husband is in so much pain that he wakes up screaming. Every night I look over at him and see tears running down his face. He screams when he takes a shower because the water feels like acid on his skin. They took him completely off this mess of a drug and it took 5 years to wean him off. I know what I'm talking about. I do not judge people for taking legal drugs for chronic pain.

OMG Penny, I'm so sorry...

Well, he said that no pills were tested in moline (and i assume Prince didn't submit to a blood test) so I guess they can't say definitively the specific opioid he ODed on (but obviously it was a severe OD given that it took 2 narcan shots to revive him). I'm not sure what we can do with the info, but I think he was just summarizing the conclusions of their investigation.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

The attorney stated that what caused the OD on the plane was likely counterfeit fentanyl-laced vicodin (in a Bayer bottle, I believe he said), not the percocets.

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Okay, I ask that attorney: What are we supposed to do with that information? Prince LIKELY took counterfeit Fentanyl on the plane.......umm, okay!

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rogifan said:

LilaLiebe said:

I wonder the same, and I agree with you about the investigators just sticking to commenting on the 'what' of the situation, and not getting into the 'why' or other circumstances.

Which is why I think it’s a mistake to assume because no health issues were disclosed as part of this investigation that means they didn’t exist.

I agree completely.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

I live with the effects of chronic pain with my husband 24/7. My husband is in so much pain that he wakes up screaming. Every night I look over at him and see tears running down his face. He screams when he takes a shower because the water feels like acid on his skin. They took him completely off this mess of a drug and it took 5 years to wean him off. I know what I'm talking about. I do not judge people for taking legal drugs for chronic pain.

OMG Penny, I'm so sorry...

When I have time, I think I'll post a thread in general discussions and explain the disease if nothing else to make people aware.

I don't have chronic pain but I certainly live with it every single day.

rogifan said:

Which is why I think it’s a mistake to assume because no health issues were disclosed as part of this investigation that means they didn’t exist.

He did say the autopsy results weren't going to be revealed. That means we still know nothing about his health status. You are right rogifan, there is nothing at all to say there were no health issues.

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disch said:

Well, he said that no pills were tested in moline (and i assume Prince didn't submit to a blood test) so I guess they can't say definitively the specific opioid he ODed on (but obviously it was a severe OD given that it took 2 narcan shots to revive him). I'm not sure what we can do with the info, but I think he was just summarizing the conclusions of their investigation.

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, I ask that attorney: What are we supposed to do with that information? Prince LIKELY took counterfeit Fentanyl on the plane.......umm, okay!

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Of course they had to have taken blood in Moline, because he was admitted to the Hospital for an overdose. I can't imagine the doctor's not taking blood and running tests to see what was in his system. What kind of hospital is that??

luv4u said:

Now hopefully folks will stop with the murder, pointing fingers and looking for a scape goat shit.

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.


ETA: and sure enough, he's out there having a press conference. Good grief.

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Prince was never "admitted" into the Moline Hospital.

He declined treatment.

Mumio said:

A hospital that operates per the permission of the patient. As ISLIJAG said above, he wasn't admitted after his tarmac revival; he declined treatment but stayed at the hospital for a few hours to recoup and/or wait for his plane to be ready to leave.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

Well, he said that no pills were tested in moline (and i assume Prince didn't submit to a blood test) so I guess they can't say definitively the specific opioid he ODed on (but obviously it was a severe OD given that it took 2 narcan shots to revive him). I'm not sure what we can do with the info, but I think he was just summarizing the conclusions of their investigation.

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Of course they had to have taken blood in Moline, because he was admitted to the Hospital for an overdose. I can't imagine the doctor's not taking blood and running tests to see what was in his system. What kind of hospital is that??

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Mumio said:

luv4u said:

Now hopefully folks will stop with the murder, pointing fingers and looking for a scape goat shit.

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.

i really doubt it, if no one hurt nobody involved with elvis or mj then it won't happen. I just don't think it will. You wanna know something that really shocks me? Malcolm X's killer has been roaming free for 53 years right out in the open and no one ever tried to get him, as I said in Prince's case, same thing "we ain't got that kind of love"

bondno9 said:

rogifan said:

Mumio said:

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.

This is so sad. And these people consider themselves Prince fans. Throwing Kirk’s rear end in jail might make someone feel better but it’s not going to bring Prince back.

It may not bring Prince back, but having KJ parade all up in PP and still employed there is an outright slap in the face!

Even the DA said that he was not there to "morally judge" Dr. S and KJ, the fact was that he did not have the concrete evidence (which was probably removed from PP)to charge anyone....

TRANSLATED: In Metz's mind, if he COULD have he WOULD have charged Dr.S and moreso than him, KJ. That was CLEARLY iterated in this press conference.

The attorney didn't say that Prince "didn't know he was hooked" on fentanyl. He said that the investigators concluded that Prince didn't know that the pills he took on April 21 -- which looked exactly like legit vicodin -- actually contained fentanyl.

mrwiggles said:

bondno9 said:

I'm just not understanding how the fentanyl didn't show up in Moline or when he saw Dr. S on the 20th? Can someone explain? It doesn't make sense. How is it a high dosage was discovered at death in his blood, liver, and stomach but no prior medical visits??? Would it have shown up in his urine sample from the 20th or would you have to run special toxicology reports? Something just seems "off."

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Yes this is my question exactl and then I'm done with it. If he died of accidental fentanyl OD, and they are saying he did not know he was hooked on it, and they found so much of it in his system. Then was he taking these particular laced Vicodin pills for some time? If so, what was the source of it, was there multiple sources. I'm assuming they were off the street, unless these pills are maki there way into pharmacies now? No way right? From my understanding, the doctor writing to script for Kirk was a one time thing? I sat there and watched that press conference and I just shook my head e whole time. Something is not right. But I'm done with it.

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PennyPurple said:

From what I understood, Prince was not coherent for about an hour or so. That being said, can the hospital draw blood and run tests on that blood without consent?

Even if they could, I'm fairly sure they did not run a test for fentanyl, being KJ stated Prince "took a couple" of Percocets, which contains oxycodone, and not fentanyl.

Furthermore, just as an FYI Percocet normally will not warrant 2 narcan shots to be revived, fentanyl would.

disch said:

A hospital that operates per the permission of the patient. As ISLIJAG said above, he wasn't admitted after his tarmac revival; he declined treatment but stayed at the hospital for a few hours to recoup and/or wait for his plane to be ready to leave.

cloveringold85 said:

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Of course they had to have taken blood in Moline, because he was admitted to the Hospital for an overdose. I can't imagine the doctor's not taking blood and running tests to see what was in his system. What kind of hospital is that??

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I don't recall anything about him being incoherent for an hour after after his tarmac revival (I thought that once you're revived with Narcan, you're immediately back to "normal" mentally). I agree that a hospital couldn't run tests on a conscious, self-sufficient patient without their consent.

precioux said:

From what I understood, Prince was not coherent for about an hour or so. That being said, can the hospital draw blood and run tests on that blood without consent?

Even if they could, I'm fairly sure they did not run a test for fentanyl, being KJ stated Prince "took a couple" of Percocets, which contains oxycodone, and not fentanyl.

Furthermore, just as an FYI Percocet normally will not warrant 2 narcan shots to be revived, fentanyl would.

disch said:

A hospital that operates per the permission of the patient. As ISLIJAG said above, he wasn't admitted after his tarmac revival; he declined treatment but stayed at the hospital for a few hours to recoup and/or wait for his plane to be ready to leave.

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disch said:

I believe the OD on the plane was from Fentanyl... and thus the worry. I think he just risked it on the 20th/21st.

PeteSilas said:

i really doubt it, if no one hurt nobody involved with elvis or mj then it won't happen. I just don't think it will. You wanna know something that really shocks me? Malcolm X's killer has been roaming free for 53 years right out in the open and no one ever tried to get him, as I said in Prince's case, same thing "we ain't got that kind of love"

I hope you're right but what I said comes from watching and listening to what they are saying in those groups. They are grief-stricken people whipped up into a frenzy thinking someone they love was deliberately killed. I wouldn't want to be around them because they aren't listening to any reason at all and they won't be satisfied until they see blood. Maybe.

mrwiggles said:

bondno9 said:

I'm just not understanding how the fentanyl didn't show up in Moline or when he saw Dr. S on the 20th? Can someone explain? It doesn't make sense. How is it a high dosage was discovered at death in his blood, liver, and stomach but no prior medical visits??? Would it have shown up in his urine sample from the 20th or would you have to run special toxicology reports? Something just seems "off."

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Yes this is my question exactl and then I'm done with it. If he died of accidental fentanyl OD, and they are saying he did not know he was hooked on it, and they found so much of it in his system. Then was he taking these particular laced Vicodin pills for some time? If so, what was the source of it, was there multiple sources. I'm assuming they were off the street, unless these pills are maki there way into pharmacies now? No way right? From my understanding, the doctor writing to script for Kirk was a one time thing? I sat there and watched that press conference and I just shook my head e whole time. Something is not right. But I'm done with it.

That's why I believe there was no full fledged investigation. After 4/21/16 they questioned a few "associates" and said "oh ... okay" and then let the file collect dust up until today. Weak press conference and weak investigation.

I think he was also just kind of ... clueless. He truly didn't know that his pill stash was largely counterfeit and dangerous. Maybe he really didn't know why he ODed so badly on the plane and didn't try to figure it all out.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I believe the OD on the plane was from Fentanyl... and thus the worry. I think he just risked it on the 20th/21st.

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Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

i really doubt it, if no one hurt nobody involved with elvis or mj then it won't happen. I just don't think it will. You wanna know something that really shocks me? Malcolm X's killer has been roaming free for 53 years right out in the open and no one ever tried to get him, as I said in Prince's case, same thing "we ain't got that kind of love"

I hope you're right but what I said comes from watching and listening to what they are saying in those groups. They are grief-stricken people whipped up into a frenzy thinking someone they love was deliberately killed. I wouldn't want to be around them because they aren't listening to any reason at all and they won't be satisfied until they see blood. Maybe.

Mumio said:

luv4u said:

Now hopefully folks will stop with the murder, pointing fingers and looking for a scape goat shit.

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.


ETA: and sure enough, he's out there having a press conference. Good grief.

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If someone supplies another person with a deadly drug; especially and "illegal" drug, that is murder.

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As the attorney said in the press conference; they can't charge anyone, because they don't know how (or who) supplied Prince the deadly Fentanyl.

disch said:

A hospital that operates per the permission of the patient. As ISLIJAG said above, he wasn't admitted after his tarmac revival; he declined treatment but stayed at the hospital for a few hours to recoup and/or wait for his plane to be ready to leave.

cloveringold85 said:

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Of course they had to have taken blood in Moline, because he was admitted to the Hospital for an overdose. I can't imagine the doctor's not taking blood and running tests to see what was in his system. What kind of hospital is that??

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I understand that Prince was not "admitted" to the hospital, but anyone who has visited the ER (myself included) knows that doctors will run tests.

rogifan said:

So Kiran thinks Kirk should have been charged.

Kiran Sharma (@KIKITkiran) 4/19/18, 1:48 PM No charges?Perhaps if the sheriffs office had done their job properly & locked down Paisley Park after they found him we would know. Rather than letting certain people roam around up there clearing stuff out. Unbelievable. I miss & love U #Prince 💜

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Well, she has a point. PP was not locked-down and people were freely walking around Prince's house on April 21, 2016.

cloveringold85 said:

If someone supplies another person with a deadly drug; especially and "illegal" drug, that is murder.

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As the attorney said in the press conference; they can't charge anyone, because they don't know how (or who) supplied Prince the deadly Fentanyl.

Of course you'd come along and state the obvious

The murderer is the person who made the drug. That's obvious too but there sure are a lot of people oblivious to that fact.

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

Mumio said:

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.

This is so sad. And these people consider themselves Prince fans. Throwing Kirk’s rear end in jail might make someone feel better but it’s not going to bring Prince back.

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And, some so-called Prince fans always trash Prince's name as well.