djThunderfunk said:

Anybody who judges Prince as a "drug user" (in it's common parlance) for medicating chronic pain is an idiot. Just sayin'.

There has been NO official word that he had any health problems.

The attorney stated that what caused the OD on the plane was likely counterfeit fentanyl-laced vicodin (in a Bayer bottle, I believe he said), not the percocets.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

A fact that leads to more questions to me is The pills prescribed by The dr for Kirk who is much larger than Prince on the 14th made Prince unresponsive on the plane...then a week later it happened again but was fatal as the pills were laced...

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Not new info.

It was in the search warrants.

Kirk's name was only on one script for opiates. The other scripts in Kirk's name were non-controlled substances.

No, new info has been released, there were 2 pain scripts for Kirk.

Agents also recovered a CVS prescription pill container with 10 white round pills with “TV150” stamped on one side and “3” on another, which indicates an acetaminophen/codeine mixture. But, according to the search warrants, those pills were thought to be an unused prescription written by a Minnesota dentist for Johnson.

I wonder why this wasnt in the original search warrants?

The search warrant talks about 10 white round pills found with A-349 stamped on them.

I am not disappointed. I still think there might have been a connection to the club manager who ODed some time later (even though the authorities said there wasn't). And I don't believe it was accidental. JMO

PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:

Anybody who judges Prince as a "drug user" (in it's common parlance) for medicating chronic pain is an idiot. Just sayin'.

There has been NO official word that he had any health problems.

We all know he was suffering from chronic pain. There is NO reason to believe he was taking the pills recreationally.

Medical records indicated that Schulenberg examined Prince a day before his death, according to one federal search warrant. The musician reported feeling “antsy” and thought it may be related to having stopped taking Tylenol that morning. Prince didn’t know if the Tylenol had any other ingredients, Schulenberg said. But Schulenberg’s notes indicated that “independent sources of history” reported Prince’s Tylenol as containing hydrocodone, a pain reliever. A urinalysis on Prince also tested positive for opiates.

The records also show Schulenberg expressed concern that Nelson could be suffering from opiate withdrawal.

From The Star Tribune.

PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

There has been NO official word that he had any health problems.

We all know he was suffering from chronic pain. There is NO reason to believe he was taking the pills recreationally.

We do? How do we know that? Did you know him personally? It has never been said in an official capacity that he was suffering from chronic pain.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

kmama07 said:

During the news conference it was stated that they were not saying there wasn't someone around him helming to obtain the pills...they just couldn't provide hard evidence that would be proven beyond a reasonable doubt

So presumably the investigation is still open in the sense that if the guilty party comes forward charges will be brought.

The investigation is closed. Nobody will come forward and admit guilt. It's been 2 years already.

disch said:

The attorney stated that what caused the OD on the plane was likely counterfeit fentanyl-laced vicodin (in a Bayer bottle, I believe he said), not the percocets.

Did the DA really say that??

He just got a script that day from Dr. S.

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, the facts are pointing that way.

Unfortunately. The FACT he was obtaining pain medication WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION is a pretty big deal. I do believe he had chronic pain. I don't understand how/why someone in his position had to go to those lengths to relieve himself of that pain unless he had huge dependency issues.

Anytime someone uses opiates medicinally for chronic pain they run the risk of becoming dependent on, addicted to, the medication. Judging those that succumb to addiction in these cases as if they were using recreational is idiotic.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I wonder why this wasnt in the original search warrants?

The search warrant talks about 10 white round pills found with A-349 stamped on them.

I was also disappointed nothing happened to Dr K who's son went to PP with several different pills in plastic bags.

Dr. K and his son had nothing to do with it. Nothing was administered by them.

Pretty much confirms everything I thought. Prince declining looks and weight loss all line up with the effects of opioid addiction. My question is why would illegal dealers lace fentanyl into vicodin. Isn't that a sure fire way of killing a potential repeating client? Most drug dealers want to keep their users alive and using.

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

We do? How do we know that? Did you know him personally? It has never been said in an official capacity that he was suffering from chronic pain.

It’s never been said in an official capacity that he wasn’t either.

And that's why the family needs to have a press conference. ASAP. They are in MN, it's celebration week.

PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:

We all know he was suffering from chronic pain. There is NO reason to believe he was taking the pills recreationally.

We do? How do we know that? Did you know him personally? It has never been said in an official capacity that he was suffering from chronic pain.

If you choose to believe he was not suffering from chronic pain and was instead using recreationally then that is your choice.

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, the facts are pointing that way.

Unfortunately. The FACT he was obtaining pain medication WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION is a pretty big deal. I do believe he had chronic pain. I don't understand how/why someone in his position had to go to those lengths to relieve himself of that pain unless he had huge dependency issues.

Yes for any of the controlled substances there is a higher bar. For example, it is not illegal for an MD to prescribe her husband Prilosec, however, if she doesn't maintain sufficient medical records she could be sanctioned. But once it is a controlled substance (not just opioids but some ADHD meds like Adderall) the bar is much higher.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

No, new info has been released, there were 2 pain scripts for Kirk.

Agents also recovered a CVS prescription pill container with 10 white round pills with “TV150” stamped on one side and “3” on another, which indicates an acetaminophen/codeine mixture. But, according to the search warrants, those pills were thought to be an unused prescription written by a Minnesota dentist for Johnson.

I wonder why this wasnt in the original search warrants?

The search warrant talks about 10 white round pills found with A-349 stamped on them.

You would think that as much as we went over and over those warrants that we wouldn't have missed it.

djThunderfunk said:

lrn36 said:

Pretty much confirms everything I thought. Prince declining looks and weight loss all line up with the effects of opioid addiction. My question is why would illegal dealers lace fentanyl into vicodin. Isn't that a sure fire way of killing a potential repeating client? Most drug dealers want to keep their users alive and using.

Dark Web

What still doesn't make sense to me is why (if he had the means to get legal prescription pills via Dr. Schulenberg) did he need to use the illegal market? And still not clear as to whether he actually ever picked up the prescription from the Walgreens that he went to on that Wed. and what that prescription was for.

PennyPurple said:

emesem said:

WHERE THE FFF DID HE GET THE FAKE VICODINE FROM???????

Off the street like I've been saying for 2 years.

Yeah, Kirk Johnson got it off the street....they should've charged his simp ass.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I wonder why this wasnt in the original search warrants?

The search warrant talks about 10 white round pills found with A-349 stamped on them.

You would think that as much as we went over and over those warrants that we wouldn't have missed it.

The stamped number is different in the warrants than what they are now saying.

kmama07 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Anytime someone uses opiates medicinally for chronic pain they run the risk of becoming dependent on, addicted to, the medication. Judging those that succumb to addiction in these cases as if they were using recreational is idiotic.

I am not judging anyone. I can't speak for Penny but I don't think she is judging either. I completely understand the risks of anyone taking opiates and my question remains: why would someone of his means/position have to obtain opiates illegally?

I didn't say you did, just shared my opinion on the subject. It sure seems like some don't see much difference in recreational and medicinal use. It doesn't have to be legal to be medicinal. Being illegal does not make it recreational. If the reason Prince used opiates was to treat chronic pain and not "to get high", then calling him a "drug user" which invokes recreational use suggests disdain and judgement.

Tom Petty also overdosed on, among other things, fentanyl. Petty was a known recreational drug user. Big difference.

[Edited 4/19/18 11:02am]

PennyPurple said: