That's right -- when TMZ posted the story at 9:49am Pacific Time, it was 11:49am Central, where Chanhassan is.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I must be missing something here, because the 911 Call was made at 9:43AM (Chanhassen), and TMZ posted their story at 9:49AM, and they are on the West Coast.

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[Edited 3/29/18 14:22pm]

Wouldn't that make it at 10:49 or 11:49 Minnesota time? West Coast is 1-2 hours behind Minnesota time.

[Edited 3/29/18 15:21pm]

There is something so tragic and sad in that transcript again.

D: You're at Paisley Park, OK, that's in Chanhassen. Are you with the person who's ...

UM: Yes, it's Prince.

The poor man.

We don't know that he might have been wearing the same clothes we saw him in outside of Walgreens. That he never made it to his bedroom.

Given that he supposedly died at least 6 hours before he was found, that means he died by 3:45am. I kinda suspect that even in the best of times, Prince may not have been in his jammies tucked into bed that that hour.

deerpath said:

There is something so tragic and sad in that transcript again.

D: You're at Paisley Park, OK, that's in Chanhassen. Are you with the person who's ...

UM: Yes, it's Prince.

The poor man.

We don't know that he might have been wearing the same clothes we saw him in outside of Walgreens. That he never made it to his bedroom.

cloveringold85 said:

deerpath said:

There is something so tragic and sad in that transcript again.

D: You're at Paisley Park, OK, that's in Chanhassen. Are you with the person who's ...

UM: Yes, it's Prince.

The poor man.

We don't know that he might have been wearing the same clothes we saw him in outside of Walgreens. That he never made it to his bedroom.

I always pictured that he was coming from his bedroom.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

deerpath said:

There is something so tragic and sad in that transcript again.

D: You're at Paisley Park, OK, that's in Chanhassen. Are you with the person who's ...

UM: Yes, it's Prince.

The poor man.

We don't know that he might have been wearing the same clothes we saw him in outside of Walgreens. That he never made it to his bedroom.

I always pictured that he was coming from his bedroom.

Co-sign

GrayDorian said:

mnfriend said:

GrayDorian said:

The article states that, "Metz also stated law enforcement will be making criminal charges regarding Prince's death in the near future". How reputable is this source that is stating charges will be brought. The article also seems to suggest to me that the possible civil case of medical negligence may be more focused on what happened after Moline in the hospital in illinois, or am I misunderstanding this completely?

I don’t know anything about anything, but it is a sad cold fact that these ‘revive’ shots are given all the time and I am sorry, medical care/ hospitals in the USA are not going to lock down and treat mandatory drug addiction against a person’s will, even though they may be very sick with detox, etc.

When an adult signs themselves out of a hospital they must sign a waiver releasing the medical facility so they cannot be sued should anything go wrong after you leave.

Sounds like the investigators got peeved after the AP leak. Not even the family is allowed to see what the lawyers see. That would drive me bonkers.

mnfriend said:

laytonian said:

GrayDorian said:

laytonian said:

You would need a court order to sentence someone to Rehab or mental health confinement. AS FOR THE QUOTE ABOUT CHARGES: that's not right. Metz the DA is the one one who decides if charges will be brought.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. I pasted the brief excerpt here, but I did query the reliability of the info. Seems like pretty shoddy journalism to me, especially when it pertains to such a high profile case.

If you read the Star Tribune article it does not state charges were going to be filed.

http://www.startribune.co...477934393/

It states: "Last week, the lead prosecutor in the county where Prince died said in a statement that he was reviewing law enforcement reports and would make a decision on whether to charge anyone "in the near future."

Metz was misquoted in the other aticle from an organization which is not a reliable source.

[Edited 3/29/18 19:40pm]

anangellooksdown said:

luvsexy4all said:

http://www.swnewsmedia.com/chanhassen_villager/attorneys-allowed-to-review-classified-prince-investigation-records/article_ce4876ec-f124-5aea-b647-0d78b13fc3d6.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share

THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY IS LOOKING INTO THE MOLINE HOSPITAL. I have said from the very beginning, I just had a VERY strong spiritual feeling when Prince passed... that the HOSPITAL did not give him thorough treatment. It was my FIRST feeling, and I am usually right when I feel something like that. I know what those @&$#+%@#$s are like in those facilities, and I also know that they love to control people. I feel they got their tails all up when Prince asked for a PRIVATE ROOM. As in, “Who does he think he is? Special?” So they responded with arrogance towards him and may have WITHHELD, because that’s JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO. PRIDE. I know what the staff in these places is like, I have PLENTY of experience. I’ve had things done to me in hospitals when I needed their help, that no one should ever have done. There are some very sick people in this world right now out who “appear” to be normal, and I want to know if Prince’s life was affected by them. I will be so pissed. I felt VERY EARLY ON, that Prince maybe wanted me to SAY something about this. That he was taken advantage of. Hurt instead of helped. The hospital was VERY SHADY from the beginning, and gave some VERY “stock” answers, like “We can’t say who has been here.” This was BS and I kNEW it; those places will go to ANY LENGTHS to protect themselves, and I TRIED to get heard here and say that someone HAS to look into the hospital further. I am glad the family or attornies did not FORGET about this over time. Here are several of my old posts (or what I could still retrieve from them) talking about this: BREAKING NEWS: Prince died of an opioid overdose: law ... Jun 2, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I've been wanting the Trinity Hospital in Moline to be looked into more because I want to know why he was refused a private room which would be reasonable given he always had paparazzi on his tail and that someone like that might very well refuse vital medical treatment if that was ... * autopsy/investigation updates here - Part 2 May 22, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly. The individuals who rejected giving Prince a private room should be interviewed. I feel he would've stayed at that hospital and received proper Reply #408 posted 06/22/16 2:03pm anangellooksdo wn Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. [Edited 3/28/18 18:43pm]

AALD, Your points about the hospital refusing him a private room are very poignant and appropriate. He was Prince, an easily-recognized public figure, so it's highly likely that hospital personnel knew who he was. The only ethical reason for them to refuse him a private room would have been if the hospital was at full capacity and giving him a private room would mean turning away other patients. However, if there was a private room available, they should have honoured his request for that private room.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

I don't understand sarcasm, I'm autistic. But he used these pills to get rid of the pain, he had to take them, he probably thought that it won't happen again, because he didn't know that some of the pills contained fentanyl.

I understand your line of thinking. All things being equal, he " had to take them ", is probably less relevant than that of: He took something (7)days prior to his death that he understood quite clearly to be an instrument of death .

After such an event, there was enough evidence to support that anything that may have been mislabeled, non prescribed, prescribed , or, obtained by third party sources, had the probability of producing a similar event or worse. Here we are now.

Let's say you believe that on both occasions , Prince did not not know that said particular pill(s) was laced with deadly amounts of fentanyl in it , or for general purposes , something that could kill him... What exactly did he understood happen the first time ? Though reticent, was he cognizant enough to understand that "something" almost killed him pursuant to ingesting it? If you believe he understood that, what actions do you think Prince took that would have precluded him from risking death again pursuant to his incident in Moline? I really would like one very concrete example of something he was doing that clearly showed that his near death crisis runs parallel with someone who needed an imminent change after experiencing such an earth shattering crisis.

He by-passed one glaring opportunity to seek help immediately, and further, masked the reality of being in deep trouble by his behavior after the fact. His actions/behavior is not in parallel with a person who was concerned about which pill was which (7) days after a near death experience. It is more in line with exactly what you saw in those (7) days and cannot make sense of.

fuck, here we are still, going in circles nearly two years later, crazy, prince would have probably liked that part of his death. He always did love mystery.

PeteSilas said:

fuck, here we are still, going in circles nearly two years later, crazy, prince would have probably liked that part of his death. He always did love mystery.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

fuck, here we are still, going in circles nearly two years later, crazy, prince would have probably liked that part of his death. He always did love mystery.

Without a doubt.

ThatWhiteDude said:

rogifan said:

Pretty soon we’ll have part 10 with comments no different than part 1-9.

Because we have almost zero information and can only speculate with what we have. They don't say if it was one pill he took and if it was, did he know what was in it? Well, they say he didn't know because the pills were wrong labled (accident). What caused the OD in Moline? Percocet or was it also Fentanyl? If it was, how long will it be in his system? Did it have an influence on the high level that was found or wouldn't it play a role?

What you have to understand is this.....

1. In autopsy the doctors examine the stomach contents. Just from discernment you can see that he had levels in his liver and stomach meaning in simplest terms he took one and then took another later. From what I have read the stomach levels is what killed him.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

We were talking about April 21st. You are free to believe that he commited suicide, it's your theory, but others are free to believe whatever they want, right? The pills he took aren't Aspirin, they were very strong and it's possible that he just forgot when or that he took a dose, there's nothing unusual about it, it happens to the best of us. A simple mistake.

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

morningsong said:

206Michelle said:

Here's another article which explains how fentanyl works in less-technical language.

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Why the Pain Drug That Killed Prince Can Be Especially Dangerous

By Stephani Sutherland, Scientific American (online)

June 6, 2016

Source: https://www.scientificame...dangerous/

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Excerpts:

Many questions still remain about the tragic and untimely death of musician and cultural icon Prince, but a report released last Thursday by the Anoka County, Minn., Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office answered a big one: Prince’s death was caused by an accidental overdose of the powerful opioid drug fentanyl. Little is known for certain about the circumstances leading up to his death but it now appears that, like millions of Americans, Prince was taking opioids to manage chronic pain.

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Prince had a long history of clean, drug-free living, suggesting that he would not use street drugs. [...] Whatever the source, “we don’t know if Prince took the drug as directed or in excess,” says Lynn Webster, a pain and addiction specialist based in Salt Lake City and past president of the American Academy of Pain Medicine.

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Despite the fact that Prince died of an overdose of an opioid drug, whether or not he might have been addicted is another matter. “I’m not so sure he was addicted,” Webster says. “I have not seen evidence that he was addicted.” An opioid user can develop tolerance and even physical dependence on the drugs without being addicted. Less than 10 percent of patients taking opioids for chronic pain develop addiction in the classical sense, Webster says.

.......

I said in the other thread that I disagree with the idea that Prince was addicted, but that I think he did have a dependence. Too many keep saying he was abuser, but Prince did not, does not, fit the addiction profile. Everyone who is addicted has a dependence, but not everyone who is dependent develops an addiction. I work with a lot of individuals (elderly and disabled) who have chronic pain and have a dependence upon the opoids prescribed to them, and I have a couple that I could say are addicted. There is a big difference.

WeDaBest said:

OperatingThetan said:

Amazing how many times Prince's comment about not 'wasting any prayers' is made in these discussions when he was simply trying to calm people down and express there was no need for concern. He simply meant that people should save their prayers until they'd waited long enough to know the facts. The tragedy is that there was plenty to be concerned about as we now know. Prince was attempting to cover that. So many of the theories here lack any basis in logic and fact based on the limited information we do have.

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

According to Dr. Funkenberry, Prince could not believe how people were reacting on twitter and elsewhere to the plane incident. He was getting constant phone calls from people to check on him, people on twitter sending messages, etc., and he thought it was all silly, since he was okay. What often isn't reported (in regards to that comment) is that he was talking about the news reports and he told them that when they hear news like that, to wait a few days before you waste any prayers. He was saying that people were overreacting to the news story about what happened on the plane, and he just wanted people to slow down before reacting, to give him a chance to correct the story and to reassure the world he was okay, before they waste their prayers on someone who is okay.

anangellooksdown said:

luvsexy4all said:

http://www.swnewsmedia.com/chanhassen_villager/attorneys-allowed-to-review-classified-prince-investigation-records/article_ce4876ec-f124-5aea-b647-0d78b13fc3d6.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share

THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY IS LOOKING INTO THE MOLINE HOSPITAL. I have said from the very beginning, I just had a VERY strong spiritual feeling when Prince passed... that the HOSPITAL did not give him thorough treatment. It was my FIRST feeling, and I am usually right when I feel something like that. I know what those @&$#+%@#$s are like in those facilities, and I also know that they love to control people. I feel they got their tails all up when Prince asked for a PRIVATE ROOM. As in, “Who does he think he is? Special?” So they responded with arrogance towards him and may have WITHHELD, because that’s JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO. PRIDE. I know what the staff in these places is like, I have PLENTY of experience. I’ve had things done to me in hospitals when I needed their help, that no one should ever have done. There are some very sick people in this world right now out who “appear” to be normal, and I want to know if Prince’s life was affected by them. I will be so pissed. I felt VERY EARLY ON, that Prince maybe wanted me to SAY something about this. That he was taken advantage of. Hurt instead of helped. The hospital was VERY SHADY from the beginning, and gave some VERY “stock” answers, like “We can’t say who has been here.” This was BS and I kNEW it; those places will go to ANY LENGTHS to protect themselves, and I TRIED to get heard here and say that someone HAS to look into the hospital further. I am glad the family or attornies did not FORGET about this over time. Here are several of my old posts (or what I could still retrieve from them) talking about this: BREAKING NEWS: Prince died of an opioid overdose: law ... Jun 2, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I've been wanting the Trinity Hospital in Moline to be looked into more because I want to know why he was refused a private room which would be reasonable given he always had paparazzi on his tail and that someone like that might very well refuse vital medical treatment if that was ... * autopsy/investigation updates here - Part 2 May 22, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly. The individuals who rejected giving Prince a private room should be interviewed. I feel he would've stayed at that hospital and received proper Reply #408 posted 06/22/16 2:03pm anangellooksdo wn Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. [Edited 3/28/18 18:43pm]

Working in the medical field, a hospital CANNOT give information to a non-family member about a patient that has been discharged from their hospital. They cannot confirm or deny that someone was at their facility to a NON-FAMILY member or friends that have not been specified by the patient. HIPAA laws are very specific.

[Edited 3/30/18 6:33am]

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't understand sarcasm, I'm autistic. But he used these pills to get rid of the pain, he had to take them, he probably thought that it won't happen again, because he didn't know that some of the pills contained fentanyl.

I understand your line of thinking. All things being equal, he " had to take them ", is probably less relevant than that of: He took something (7)days prior to his death that he understood quite clearly to be an instrument of death .

After such an event, there was enough evidence to support that anything that may have been mislabeled, non prescribed, prescribed , or, obtained by third party sources, had the probability of producing a similar event or worse. Here we are now.

Let's say you believe that on both occasions , Prince did not not know that said particular pill(s) was laced with deadly amounts of fentanyl in it , or for general purposes , something that could kill him... What exactly did he understood happen the first time ? Though reticent, was he cognizant enough to understand that "something" almost killed him pursuant to ingesting it? If you believe he understood that, what actions do you think Prince took that would have precluded him from risking death again pursuant to his incident in Moline? I really would like one very concrete example of something he was doing that clearly showed that his near death crisis runs parallel with someone who needed an imminent change after experiencing such an earth shattering crisis.

He by-passed one glaring opportunity to seek help immediately, and further, masked the reality of being in deep trouble by his behavior after the fact. His actions/behavior is not in parallel with a person who was concerned about which pill was which (7) days after a near death experience. It is more in line with exactly what you saw in those (7) days and cannot make sense of.

You got some good points, but I still think it was an accident no matter how this accident happened.

muleFunk said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Because we have almost zero information and can only speculate with what we have. They don't say if it was one pill he took and if it was, did he know what was in it? Well, they say he didn't know because the pills were wrong labled (accident). What caused the OD in Moline? Percocet or was it also Fentanyl? If it was, how long will it be in his system? Did it have an influence on the high level that was found or wouldn't it play a role?

What you have to understand is this.....

1. In autopsy the doctors examine the stomach contents. Just from discernment you can see that he had levels in his liver and stomach meaning in simplest terms he took one and then took another later. From what I have read the stomach levels is what killed him.

And for the erudite here who awaits on bended knee for the "book" release, now you have evidence as to why it is only trending in the midst of the Sahara desert under a withering cactus.

The "stomach levels" is what killed him.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't understand sarcasm, I'm autistic. But he used these pills to get rid of the pain, he had to take them, he probably thought that it won't happen again, because he didn't know that some of the pills contained fentanyl.

I understand your line of thinking. All things being equal, he " had to take them ", is probably less relevant than that of: He took something (7)days prior to his death that he understood quite clearly to be an instrument of death .

After such an event, there was enough evidence to support that anything that may have been mislabeled, non prescribed, prescribed , or, obtained by third party sources, had the probability of producing a similar event or worse. Here we are now.

Let's say you believe that on both occasions , Prince did not not know that said particular pill(s) was laced with deadly amounts of fentanyl in it , or for general purposes , something that could kill him... What exactly did he understood happen the first time ? Though reticent, was he cognizant enough to understand that "something" almost killed him pursuant to ingesting it? If you believe he understood that, what actions do you think Prince took that would have precluded him from risking death again pursuant to his incident in Moline? I really would like one very concrete example of something he was doing that clearly showed that his near death crisis runs parallel with someone who needed an imminent change after experiencing such an earth shattering crisis.

He by-passed one glaring opportunity to seek help immediately, and further, masked the reality of being in deep trouble by his behavior after the fact. His actions/behavior is not in parallel with a person who was concerned about which pill was which (7) days after a near death experience. It is more in line with exactly what you saw in those (7) days and cannot make sense of.

Menes: What you describe above may very well be what happened.

However, I viewed the events from Moline to his death as more the actions of an addict struggling to "control" the situation.

Unfortunately, I have known addicts that have taken the chance of using drugs that may be deadly and they overdosed: a few survived, a few did not.

leec1 said:

Menes said:

I understand your line of thinking. All things being equal, he " had to take them ", is probably less relevant than that of: He took something (7)days prior to his death that he understood quite clearly to be an instrument of death .

After such an event, there was enough evidence to support that anything that may have been mislabeled, non prescribed, prescribed , or, obtained by third party sources, had the probability of producing a similar event or worse. Here we are now.

Let's say you believe that on both occasions , Prince did not not know that said particular pill(s) was laced with deadly amounts of fentanyl in it , or for general purposes , something that could kill him... What exactly did he understood happen the first time ? Though reticent, was he cognizant enough to understand that "something" almost killed him pursuant to ingesting it? If you believe he understood that, what actions do you think Prince took that would have precluded him from risking death again pursuant to his incident in Moline? I really would like one very concrete example of something he was doing that clearly showed that his near death crisis runs parallel with someone who needed an imminent change after experiencing such an earth shattering crisis.

He by-passed one glaring opportunity to seek help immediately, and further, masked the reality of being in deep trouble by his behavior after the fact. His actions/behavior is not in parallel with a person who was concerned about which pill was which (7) days after a near death experience. It is more in line with exactly what you saw in those (7) days and cannot make sense of.

Menes: What you describe above may very well be what happened.

However, I viewed the events from Moline to his death as more the actions of an addict struggling to "control" the situation.

Unfortunately, I have known addicts that have taken the chance of using drugs that may be deadly and they overdosed: a few survived, a few did not.

Careful alluding to Prince being an "addict" around here lest you become isolated and labeled as an insensitive... like me.

I do agree with you that many "addicts", (Prince being one that was addicted) take risks that are to those of us not addicted, bordering on the insane. Although I can agree with the ME that it could be an accident( by her strict and very defined guidelines) ,the probabilities of it being suicide is just as high because of the irrational thought processes that are associated with the modified behavioral traits of an addict.

The "absurd" part of anything resembling logic is to believe that he just recently stumbled upon a stash of illicit pills a mere (7) days prior and had no knowledge they could provoke an early untimely death. Meh, insane works both ways.

benni said:

I said in the other thread that I disagree with the idea that Prince was addicted, but that I think he did have a dependence. Too many keep saying he was abuser, but Prince did not, does not, fit the addiction profile. Everyone who is addicted has a dependence, but not everyone who is dependent develops an addiction. I work with a lot of individuals (elderly and disabled) who have chronic pain and have a dependence upon the opoids prescribed to them, and I have a couple that I could say are addicted. There is a big difference.

Thanks benni. This has been said numerous times in different ways but those saying it are frequently referred to as addict deniers I've seen addicts in action and we are not talking the same thing as what Prince was dealing with. I will NEVER believe nor say he was an addict, any more than I'd ever refer to someone who has a legitimate chronic pain condition as an addict just because they use opioids to manage their situation. I do believe he was dependent on pain medication to manage whatever health issue he was dealing with.

rogifan said:

benni said:

WeDaBest said:

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

According to Dr. Funkenberry, Prince could not believe how people were reacting on twitter and elsewhere to the plane incident. He was getting constant phone calls from people to check on him, people on twitter sending messages, etc., and he thought it was all silly, since he was okay. What often isn't reported (in regards to that comment) is that he was talking about the news reports and he told them that when they hear news like that, to wait a few days before you waste any prayers. He was saying that people were overreacting to the news story about what happened on the plane, and he just wanted people to slow down before reacting, to give him a chance to correct the story and to reassure the world he was okay, before they waste their prayers on someone who is okay.

Prince was doing damage control and trying to make it appear that everyone was overreacting. So he started making public appearances to reassure his fans that it wasn't that serious. But soon things started going terribly wrong and he needed help and FAST.