ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Yea, he probably forgot what he took while leaving Atlanta too. Then he remembered and gave an oh so cryptic reassuring quasi-speech about saving prayers. Yep, just totally forgot why he even had to say that too. Lost track of everything, to incude : whatver he took, and wanted to take again, was illicit, oh so suddenly.

We were talking about April 21st. You are free to believe that he commited suicide, it's your theory, but others are free to believe whatever they want, right? The pills he took aren't Aspirin, they were very strong and it's possible that he just forgot when or that he took a dose, there's nothing unusual about it, it happens to the best of us. A simple mistake.

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

We were talking about April 21st. You are free to believe that he commited suicide, it's your theory, but others are free to believe whatever they want, right? The pills he took aren't Aspirin, they were very strong and it's possible that he just forgot when or that he took a dose, there's nothing unusual about it, it happens to the best of us. A simple mistake.

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

I don't understand sarcasm, I'm autistic. But he used these pills to get rid of the pain, he had to take them, he probably thought that it won't happen again, because he didn't know that some of the pills contained fentanyl.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

We were talking about April 21st. You are free to believe that he commited suicide, it's your theory, but others are free to believe whatever they want, right? The pills he took aren't Aspirin, they were very strong and it's possible that he just forgot when or that he took a dose, there's nothing unusual about it, it happens to the best of us. A simple mistake.

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

PROFOUND! Bravo,Menes... You batted it out of the park again...

rogifan said:

lastdecember said:

I have to agree and I said this in the months after he died that WHY is really not relevant at the end of the day. I think the people that know are the ones he wanted to know what was up. We can all speculate on what happened that last day, why was he alone, did someone switch his pills on purpose, the overall fact was that Prince was in fact addicted and how he got addicted or why he was using so much is what we all cant and will never know. Even if tomorrow someone says Prince killed himself do we really think we are still not going to question that? If they say it was this or that we are always going to question, there will be no closure for those who still seek it. My closure was the day he died, that was it, he is gone and that is part of the journey we are on, there is nothing to close, it is CLOSED.

I dunno it seems like a lot of people are throwing around “facts” that (at least to me) haven’t been proven to be facts. Lots of specualtion becomes fact. That’s why I usually stay out of these threads. I only jumped into this one to express my displeasure with whoever is leaking stuff. And wondering if we can trust the accuracy of anything that is being leaked.

True a lot isn't "proven" beyond the ME report which says he died of a fentanyl overdose, the warrants which show there was no official fentanyl found at PP, only opiate stamped pill, and that people are dying in record numbers due to counterfeit opiate pills laced with lethal levels of fentanyl circulating throughout the world, especially in the US.

anangellooksdown said:

luvsexy4all said:

http://www.swnewsmedia.com/chanhassen_villager/attorneys-allowed-to-review-classified-prince-investigation-records/article_ce4876ec-f124-5aea-b647-0d78b13fc3d6.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share

THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY IS LOOKING INTO THE MOLINE HOSPITAL. I have said from the very beginning, I just had a VERY strong spiritual feeling when Prince passed... that the HOSPITAL did not give him thorough treatment. It was my FIRST feeling, and I am usually right when I feel something like that. I know what those @&$#+%@#$s are like in those facilities, and I also know that they love to control people. I feel they got their tails all up when Prince asked for a PRIVATE ROOM. As in, “Who does he think he is? Special?” So they responded with arrogance towards him and may have WITHHELD, because that’s JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO. PRIDE. I know what the staff in these places is like, I have PLENTY of experience. I’ve had things done to me in hospitals when I needed their help, that no one should ever have done. There are some very sick people in this world right now out who “appear” to be normal, and I want to know if Prince’s life was affected by them. I will be so pissed. I felt VERY EARLY ON, that Prince maybe wanted me to SAY something about this. That he was taken advantage of. Hurt instead of helped. The hospital was VERY SHADY from the beginning, and gave some VERY “stock” answers, like “We can’t say who has been here.” This was BS and I kNEW it; those places will go to ANY LENGTHS to protect themselves, and I TRIED to get heard here and say that someone HAS to look into the hospital further. I am glad the family or attornies did not FORGET about this over time. Here are several of my old posts (or what I could still retrieve from them) talking about this: BREAKING NEWS: Prince died of an opioid overdose: law ... Jun 2, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I've been wanting the Trinity Hospital in Moline to be looked into more because I want to know why he was refused a private room which would be reasonable given he always had paparazzi on his tail and that someone like that might very well refuse vital medical treatment if that was ... * autopsy/investigation updates here - Part 2 May 22, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly. The individuals who rejected giving Prince a private room should be interviewed. I feel he would've stayed at that hospital and received proper Reply #408 posted 06/22/16 2:03pm anangellooksdo wn Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. [Edited 3/28/18 18:43pm]

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I agree!! What happened in Moline never sat well with me, from the get go! My late Mother died in a hospital, and they were negligent, so I know all too well how some of these hospitals operate. This can get really complicated, if Prince's family pursues this investigation and potential arrest(s), because Illinois has different laws, I am sure. I'm not a legal professional, but I would not be suprised if they file charges against that hospital and/or doctor's who treated Prince there. This really hurts, because of what happened to my own Mother; not a good memory. Prince said he had a "Purple Army", and we aren't just gonna let time pass by and forget!!

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I sincerely don't think this was the case with Prince at all. He was a very careful person. This is a Man who lived a Vegan life, and it will be a cold day in Hell before Prince would ever put poison into his body! I will never believe that Prince would ever knowingly take street drugs.

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The Fentanyl that killed him were "mislabeled" pills. For all he knew, they could have been baking soda or a sugar pill.......the point I am trying to drive home here is that, there would be no way that Prince would know what was actually in those pills. Do any of you dismiss the idea that Prince could have thought they were just his regular Rx pills and not street drugs?

Personally I feel we are right back at square one and the original story. Unknown, Prince had an on again, off again history with this hydro stuff. For some unknown reason he "recently " was getting it by means outside of the MN pharmacy system, for a while it was the correct medication, but eventually he ended up with the counterfeit meds that had varying degrees of fentanyl and other types of meds, it made him sick hence trying to see the doctor. The last pill(s) he took (as opposed to Kirk' s prescription) were the counterfeit pills which had a lethal doses of fentanyl. My only questions revolve around why was this man in the position of getting counterfeit pills unless there is some other nutty stuff going on.

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Exactly!! Here we are, 2-years later and it feels like we are back at square one again!!

cloveringold85 said:

anangellooksdown said:

luvsexy4all said: THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY IS LOOKING INTO THE MOLINE HOSPITAL. I have said from the very beginning, I just had a VERY strong spiritual feeling when Prince passed... that the HOSPITAL did not give him thorough treatment. It was my FIRST feeling, and I am usually right when I feel something like that. I know what those @&$#+%@#$s are like in those facilities, and I also know that they love to control people. I feel they got their tails all up when Prince asked for a PRIVATE ROOM. As in, “Who does he think he is? Special?” So they responded with arrogance towards him and may have WITHHELD, because that’s JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO. PRIDE. I know what the staff in these places is like, I have PLENTY of experience. I’ve had things done to me in hospitals when I needed their help, that no one should ever have done. There are some very sick people in this world right now out who “appear” to be normal, and I want to know if Prince’s life was affected by them. I will be so pissed. I felt VERY EARLY ON, that Prince maybe wanted me to SAY something about this. That he was taken advantage of. Hurt instead of helped. The hospital was VERY SHADY from the beginning, and gave some VERY “stock” answers, like “We can’t say who has been here.” This was BS and I kNEW it; those places will go to ANY LENGTHS to protect themselves, and I TRIED to get heard here and say that someone HAS to look into the hospital further. I am glad the family or attornies did not FORGET about this over time. Here are several of my old posts (or what I could still retrieve from them) talking about this: BREAKING NEWS: Prince died of an opioid overdose: law ... Jun 2, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I've been wanting the Trinity Hospital in Moline to be looked into more because I want to know why he was refused a private room which would be reasonable given he always had paparazzi on his tail and that someone like that might very well refuse vital medical treatment if that was ... * autopsy/investigation updates here - Part 2 May 22, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly. The individuals who rejected giving Prince a private room should be interviewed. I feel he would've stayed at that hospital and received proper Reply #408 posted 06/22/16 2:03pm anangellooksdo wn Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. [Edited 3/28/18 18:43pm]

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I agree!! What happened in Moline never sat well with me, from the get go! My late Mother died in a hospital, and they were negligent, so I know all too well how some of these hospitals operate. This can get really complicated, if Prince's family pursues this investigation and potential arrest(s), because Illinois has different laws, I am sure. I'm not a legal professional, but I would not be suprised if they file charges against that hospital and/or doctor's who treated Prince there. This really hurts, because of what happened to my own Mother; not a good memory. Prince said he had a "Purple Army", and we aren't just gonna let time pass by and forget!!

I'm so sorry about your mom

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, and TMZ knew Prince was dead before anyone else! Check out the time it was published......

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ead-at-57/

This is the most disturbing and creepy considering he was not declared deceased until 10.07

Sheriiff recieves a the call at 9.43

TMZ Reports his Death at 9.49 ???

WTF....

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YUP!! TMZ had all the deets just 6 MINUTES after Prince was found. Someone was cut a nice check for that........OH, what a tangeled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive.

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

This is the most disturbing and creepy considering he was not declared deceased until 10.07

Sheriiff recieves a the call at 9.43

TMZ Reports his Death at 9.49 ???

WTF....

But it says 9:49 PDT, meaning Pacific Daylight Time, which would be 11:49 Central Time.

[Edited 3/28/18 21:51pm]

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Yes, but TMZ announced it within six minutes.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

littlemissG said:

the Level of drugs in his system couldn’t been self giving, especially after Moline. You is benifiting from his death? Was Prince about to clean house and someone or more likely multiple someone’s close to him tampered with his pills and patches or found him passed out and made sure he wouldn’t recover? A dozen possible scenarios. I don’t think we will ever know for sure.

He took the pill(s) himself. Do you think someone held him down and forced a pill down his throat?

There were NO patches.

The fentanyl laced pills more then likely came from the streets. They were hidden in Aleve and Aspirin bottles. Probably because when someone packed for him, they didn't think anything of it, because of the bottles.

My guess is he wasn't a fentanyl user and had no idea these pills were laced with fentanyl. Codene user...yes. Fentanyl user....NO.

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Penny, I believe that someone was messing with his pills. Prince thought he was taking Hydrocodone/Vicodin, not knowing they were much stronger and laced with deadly Fentanyl.

morningsong said:

Vashtix said:

Nothing surrounding Prince's transition makes sense and no matter how much beloved Prince was by many he was capable of doing things without announcing it to even the people looking eyeball to eyebal with him or people who knew him decades.

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I realize there will always be pain and unspeakable heartache at how he died and him being gone from earth but he was an adult , human being and we humans keep lots to ourselves that no one but ourselves knows- so none of us will ever know what was in his mind but he took lots of pills.

That is a given. It sounds as if people think he took 2 pills and a glass of water. He took more than that.He was deliberate.

where are you getting that from outside of your own imagination? The same articles that "leaked" months ago with the high levels in his system also said the pills themselves were tested and had high levels of fentanyl that's where most of us are getting it may have been only one or 2 pills. One would assume the ME might have some clue if he took a lot of pills they all wouldn't be digested. And people all over the country are dying from these counterfeit pills, which are also tested for fentanyl.

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What's even more bizarre, I read that a ME would have to specifically look for Fentanyl in one's system to find it. The ME just happened to have extensive knowledge on Fentanyl.

peggyon said:

It is my understanding that Prince overdosed on oxycodone after the Atlanta show. This was from the prescription written under Kirk's name by Dr. S

After receiving Narcan x 2, he was put into inevitable withdrawals. It was reported that throughout the week he was increasingly agitated and had not slept for many days. My impression is that he was dealing with severe withdrawals, fatigue and likely an underlying medical condition. He likely just wanted some relief. I have no opinion as whether this was a suicide attempt though he was image-conscious and fastidious and would not likely not have chosen to have pills "out in the open"

Regarding the elevator: I have read that the ambulance was called quite some time after he was found dead.In the meantime his friends may have dressed him hastily to provide him some dignity.

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His doctor's knew he was suffering from opiate withdrawals (a very serious condition), but yet they all sat by and did nothing!!

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I think the 911 Call was made at around 9:43 AM, and Kirk arrived with Dr. Kornfeld's son, Andrew just around 9AM (don't quote me, but that is approximate).

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

He took the pill(s) himself. Do you think someone held him down and forced a pill down his throat?

There were NO patches.

The fentanyl laced pills more then likely came from the streets. They were hidden in Aleve and Aspirin bottles. Probably because when someone packed for him, they didn't think anything of it, because of the bottles.

My guess is he wasn't a fentanyl user and had no idea these pills were laced with fentanyl. Codene user...yes. Fentanyl user....NO.

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Penny, I believe that someone was messing with his pills. Prince thought he was taking Hydrocodone/Vicodin, not knowing they were much stronger and laced with deadly Fentanyl.

Co sign

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

Vashtix said: where are you getting that from outside of your own imagination? The same articles that "leaked" months ago with the high levels in his system also said the pills themselves were tested and had high levels of fentanyl that's where most of us are getting it may have been only one or 2 pills. One would assume the ME might have some clue if he took a lot of pills they all wouldn't be digested. And people all over the country are dying from these counterfeit pills, which are also tested for fentanyl.

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What's even more bizarre, I read that a ME would have to specifically look for Fentanyl in one's system to find it. The ME just happened to have extensive knowledge on Fentanyl.

THe ME just happens to be somewhat of an expert on Fentanyl

There are three academic papers out there on it with her name on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

We were talking about April 21st. You are free to believe that he commited suicide, it's your theory, but others are free to believe whatever they want, right? The pills he took aren't Aspirin, they were very strong and it's possible that he just forgot when or that he took a dose, there's nothing unusual about it, it happens to the best of us. A simple mistake.

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

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Menes......I understand where you are going with that, but remember, Prince died AFTER he was admitted to that hospital in Moline, and we have no idea how he was treated there, or what they gave him. If he was going through detox, it would be very easy to OD. We just don't have all the facts.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

I would have hoped you understood the basic sarcasm in my "aspirin " comment. The point I was making is that when you are that exposed to the world and under such criticism, an overdose is not something you would be likely to forget. Hence, forgetting what happened and repeating the behavior by using the same instrument of death, (in a mere (7) days), is more likely a product of something intentional rather than short term memory loss. All you have to do is look at his behavior in that (7) day span leading up to his death. He wanted the world to forget . We never did. Neither did he.

I don't understand sarcasm, I'm autistic. But he used these pills to get rid of the pain, he had to take them, he probably thought that it won't happen again, because he didn't know that some of the pills contained fentanyl.

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Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

From the Star Tribune today.

snip..

I could lead you to a bunch of people in a few FB groups who are gonna scream that he is lying, they are all lying, the media is lying. And it's all because the Illuminati is making them do it! Oh, and Warner Bros too!

kirk looks guilty cause he fled....i dont care if he's been declared innocent

morningsong said:

rogifan said:

lastdecember said: I dunno it seems like a lot of people are throwing around “facts” that (at least to me) haven’t been proven to be facts. Lots of specualtion becomes fact. That’s why I usually stay out of these threads. I only jumped into this one to express my displeasure with whoever is leaking stuff. And wondering if we can trust the accuracy of anything that is being leaked.

True a lot isn't "proven" beyond the ME report which says he died of a fentanyl overdose, the warrants which show there was no official fentanyl found at PP, only opiate stamped pill, and that people are dying in record numbers due to counterfeit opiate pills laced with lethal levels of fentanyl circulating throughout the world, especially in the US.

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Just wanted to add.....it was documented that Prince was not a long-term user of Fentanyl. So, either he just took it that once (or twice, if you count Moline); either he knew, or didn't know what he was actually taking on the 20-21st.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree!! What happened in Moline never sat well with me, from the get go! My late Mother died in a hospital, and they were negligent, so I know all too well how some of these hospitals operate. This can get really complicated, if Prince's family pursues this investigation and potential arrest(s), because Illinois has different laws, I am sure. I'm not a legal professional, but I would not be suprised if they file charges against that hospital and/or doctor's who treated Prince there. This really hurts, because of what happened to my own Mother; not a good memory. Prince said he had a "Purple Army", and we aren't just gonna let time pass by and forget!!

I'm so sorry about your mom

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Thank you. It's been 4-years now.

laytonian said:

cloveringold85 said:

YUP!! TMZ had all the deets just 6 MINUTES after Prince was found. Someone was cut a nice check for that........OH, what a tangeled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive.

Two hour time zone difference. TMZ didn't post until they had confirmation from a reliable source. Harvey was even calling DrFunkenberry to see if he knew anything.

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I must be missing something here, because the 911 Call was made at 9:43AM (Chanhassen), and TMZ posted their story at 9:49AM, and they are on the West Coast.

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[Edited 3/29/18 14:22pm]

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm so sorry about your mom

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Thank you. It's been 4-years now.

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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What's even more bizarre, I read that a ME would have to specifically look for Fentanyl in one's system to find it. The ME just happened to have extensive knowledge on Fentanyl.

THe ME just happens to be somewhat of an expert on Fentanyl

There are three academic papers out there on it with her name on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yesss!!

luvsexy4all said:

Mumio said:

I could lead you to a bunch of people in a few FB groups who are gonna scream that he is lying, they are all lying, the media is lying. And it's all because the Illuminati is making them do it! Oh, and Warner Bros too!

kirk looks guilty cause he fled....i dont care if he's been declared innocent

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I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but his behavior does make him look shady.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thank you. It's been 4-years now.

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Thank you for your empathy and compassion.

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What I had to go through with that hospital where I lost my Mother was Hell. It still haunts me today, and probably always will.

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

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Thank you for your empathy and compassion.

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What I had to go through with that hospital where I lost my Mother was Hell. It still haunts me today, and probably always will.

I can imagine it does, this is a horrible way to lose a mother

luvsexy4all said:

Mumio said:

I could lead you to a bunch of people in a few FB groups who are gonna scream that he is lying, they are all lying, the media is lying. And it's all because the Illuminati is making them do it! Oh, and Warner Bros too!

kirk looks guilty cause he fled....i dont care if he's been declared innocent

There's plenty like you out there. The bottom line though is that EVERYONE in this country is considered innocent until proven guilty. Kirk is not guilty and that is why he is not in jail.

You should thank your lucky stars that it is that way, but then again I have no idea if you are a US citizen or not.

cloveringold85 said:

laytonian said:

cloveringold85 said: Two hour time zone difference. TMZ didn't post until they had confirmation from a reliable source. Harvey was even calling DrFunkenberry to see if he knew anything.

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I must be missing something here, because the 911 Call was made at 9:43AM (Chanhassen), and TMZ posted their story at 9:49AM, and they are on the West Coast.

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[Edited 3/29/18 14:22pm]

Wouldn't that make it at 10:49 or 11:49 Minnesota time? West Coast is 1-2 hours behind Minnesota time.

[Edited 3/29/18 15:21pm]

laytonian said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

U CAN NOT dress a person "hastily" that has been deceased for over 6 hours after Rigor mortis sets in.

Yes. Plus protect privacy from whom? EMTs? Dr K's son called 911 immediately. Why do people think they'd wait. ..even in the worst circumstance? "I have read" is how fake new spreads around here. Without a source, of course.

911 transcript

http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.2610993

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

True a lot isn't "proven" beyond the ME report which says he died of a fentanyl overdose, the warrants which show there was no official fentanyl found at PP, only opiate stamped pill, and that people are dying in record numbers due to counterfeit opiate pills laced with lethal levels of fentanyl circulating throughout the world, especially in the US.

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Just wanted to add.....it was documented that Prince was not a long-term user of Fentanyl. So, either he just took it that once (or twice, if you count Moline); either he knew, or didn't know what he was actually taking on the 20-21st.

I was excluding everything that isn't "official", so reports of how much was in his system or what the pills they found actually contained, how his clothes were on him, plus the report of him not showing signs of being a long-term fentanyl user all come from unofficial sources or rather "leaks". Things like photographs, and interviews I wouldn't think would be considered unofficial unless people think for some reason they were doctored or people lied to the investigators. We know he had an emergency in Moline, but nothing has ever leaked about what pill or pills he might have taken. There is the statement of Kirk's recorded in the warrants, but even he wasn't 100% sure.