Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No problem. Nice to see you, hon!

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I guess I'm starting to feel emotional all over again, because it will be that time again, soon.

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If we ever find out that he did commit suicide, then I will be the biggest fool that ever walked this earth!!

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I am prepared.....whatever the outcome.

Don't feel that way Clover, it's not like that. Every day since April 21st 2016 has been difficult when looking at what happened. It may be years before it's officially out there what really happened.

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Thank you for saying that. I don't know what to think, most days. All I know is that if we learn that he took his own life, I will be crushed all over again. We will all just have to deal with it, and accept it. It sure won't be easy.

cloveringold85 said:

WeDaBest said:

OperatingThetan said:

Amazing how many times Prince's comment about not 'wasting any prayers' is made in these discussions when he was simply trying to calm people down and express there was no need for concern. He simply meant that people should save their prayers until they'd waited long enough to know the facts. The tragedy is that there was plenty to be concerned about as we now know. Prince was attempting to cover that. So many of the theories here lack any basis in logic and fact based on the limited information we do have.

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

maybe it was because at the time he told everyone the above "don't waste any prayers" he knew that at that time people still thought he had been ill with the flu.

at the time he said that we all still thought that his plane had made an emergency landing for dehydration, when in fact it was a drug overdose.

maybe he knew that news of his OD would leak, was ashamed of what had happened and he didn't want us to 'waste' prayers on an OD that was his own fault?

purplegirl00 said:

I hear what you are saying and I agree that Prince wouldn't have wanted anyone to be traumatized over his death, but I still feel like he planned and his timing was off or miscalculated the first time. Then overdosing twice in a week with the second time being with such a high concentrated amount- enough to kill him 8000 times over just doesn't sound accidental or homicidal at all to me but his own intention.

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Don't feel that way Clover, it's not like that. Every day since April 21st 2016 has been difficult when looking at what happened. It may be years before it's officially out there what really happened.

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Thank you for saying that. I don't know what to think, most days. All I know is that if we learn that he took his own life, I will be crushed all over again. We will all just have to deal with it, and accept it. It sure won't be easy.

Prince DID NOT take his own life on purpose. It was a accidental overdose. He wouldn't have went through GREAT lengths at trying to hide what was going on with him if he was just going to turnaround and commit suicide. That doesn't make sense.

http://www.swnewsmedia.com/chanhassen_villager/attorneys-allowed-to-review-classified-prince-investigation-records/article_ce4876ec-f124-5aea-b647-0d78b13fc3d6.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share

XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

Your theory is completely plausible. I also think he may have been managing physical pain too through self medicating.

For nearly two years I worked in a doctor's office and the greatest shock to me was the amount of people on controlled substances to manage chronic pain. It's truly astounding.

Not only do I think Prince was one of those people dealing with chronic pain due to many years of giving his body hell in grueling performances, but I also believe he was dealing with some personal crisis or so series of crises. He was so protective of his private life, we would not have been privvy to what was really going on. His appearance was gaunt starting in Fall of 2015 and he was very emotional during the PP Gala in January 2016. If anyone goes back and looks at concert footage and pics of the last few months, even year before he passed, he was not his happy, energetic self. Something was going on and I think Prince was depressed not knowing what to do. He may have had plans for the future like you listed up above, but in despair, he may not have been able to see what was in front of him. Same thing with his faith- he may have even felt like the afterworld was better for him than being here. Here is a NY Times article from May 2016 that says people close to Prince thought he was depressed and felt irrelevant professionally. https://www.nytimes.com/2....html?_r=0

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Thanks for the link! “In a fentanyl overdose, you may not be able to totally revive the person with the Narcan dose you have,” That's interesting, didn't they say they gave him two narcan shots to revive him? Or does that mean that narcan won't work at all?

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My understanding is that Prince received two Narcan shots in Moline, IL.

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However, I have read nothing indicating that he received Narcan shots at PP on 04/21/16. I found the following documents from his death investigation (Source: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ex-3.pdf):

Your Affiant, Detective Christina Wagner is a licensed Peace Officer with the State of Minnesota and has remained in that position for the past 15 years. During that time your affiant has been employed with the Carver County Sheriffs Office. Your affiant is currently assigned to the Criminal Investigations Division where she has served for the past 8 years. During that time, Your affiant has attended numerous law enforcement trainings related to investigations. During that time, your affiant has investigated cases of homicide, aggravated assault, robbery, sexual assault, burglary, theft, and drug related cases among others. As part of her assignment, Your affiant obtained the following information;

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On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hrs., Carver County Sheriff Deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park Studios, 7801 Audubon Road in Chanhassen for a medical where a person was found in an elevator and not breathing. Deputies responded to the scene and located the party, identified as Prince Rogers Nelson dob/06-07-195 8. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene. He was 57 years old.

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Your Affiant was made aware by witnesses that were interviewed at the scene, that Prince recently had a history of going through withdrawals, which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication.

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Further, Your Affiant received information from interviews conducted, that Prince’s assistants had arranged a meeting between Prince and medical professionals to assess and address Prince’s medical concerns. Your affiant learned that Prince had “passed out” during a flight from Atlanta, Ga to Minneapolis on Thursday 04—1 5-16 into Friday 04-16-16 after a concert in Atlanta. Prince’s private jet made an emergency stop at the Quad International Airport in Moline, I1. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 “pain pills”.

(p. 3 of the document)

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It's like a punch in the gut to read this again.

THANKS FOR POSTING...

luvsexy4all said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

luvsexy4all said:

disch said:

cloveringold85 said:

From the Star Tribune today.

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Prince was returning to the Twin Cities on a private plane from Atlanta when he fell ill and passed out. Search warrant affidavits unsealed in April 2017 said staff member and longtime friend Kirk Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet.

Prince was documented as suffering from an opioid overdose, but the musician refused treatment at the hospital. Later, at a meeting back in the Twin Cities with medical professionals "to assess and address" health concerns, Prince admitted to taking one or two "pain pills" that night.

When the documents were unsealed, F. Clayton Tyler, Johnson's attorney, issued a statement: "After reviewing the search warrants and affidavits released today, we believe that it is clear that Kirk Johnson did not secure nor supply the drugs which caused Prince's death."

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I sincerely don't think this was the case with Prince at all. He was a very careful person. This is a Man who lived a Vegan life, and it will be a cold day in Hell before Prince would ever put poison into his body! I will never believe that Prince would ever knowingly take street drugs.

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The Fentanyl that killed him were "mislabeled" pills. For all he knew, they could have been baking soda or a sugar pill.......the point I am trying to drive home here is that, there would be no way that Prince would know what was actually in those pills. Do any of you dismiss the idea that Prince could have thought they were just his regular Rx pills and not street drugs?

We didn't say what you're implying here, we simply said that it's possible that he forgot that he took a pill and then decided to take another, not knowing that it's streetdrugs (because they were mislabled).

Yea, he probably forgot what he took while leaving Atlanta too. Then he remembered and gave an oh so cryptic reassuring quasi-speech about saving prayers. Yep, just totally forgot why he even had to say that too. Lost track of everything, to incude : whatver he took, and wanted to take again, was illicit, oh so suddenly.

XxAxX said:

WeDaBest said:

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

maybe it was because at the time he told everyone the above "don't waste any prayers" he knew that at that time people still thought he had been ill with the flu.

at the time he said that we all still thought that his plane had made an emergency landing for dehydration, when in fact it was a drug overdose.

maybe he knew that news of his OD would leak, was ashamed of what had happened and he didn't want us to 'waste' prayers on an OD that was his own fault?

XxAxX, not to put you on blast, but did you attend his final concert at PP, following the Moline incident?

XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

, I totally agree! In addition to his cause of death being consistently reported as an accidental overdose from the start, the fact that he still had a lot for which to live, and his religious beliefs, I cannot believe at this time that he commited suicide.

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If there were to be clear and convincing evidence that emerges in the future demonstrating that his death was not an accidental overdose, but a suicide or murder, then I would accept this new evidence. He's dead, and it doesen't matter to me how his death occurred because his cause of death isn't going to change my love for him or for his music. Since the initial information from the ME and toxicology reports initially was reported (via numerous news outlets) in May/June 2016, the cause of death has been accidental overdose from fentanyl, and I will continue to believe that an accidental overdose from fentanyl was Prince's cause of death until evidence clearly and convincingly shows otherwise.

NACN, I think your inferences are very reasonable and well-articulated.

NotACleverName said:

It makes sense that Kirk would suggest it might have been Percocet simply because, while they were not prescribed to Prince, there was evidence of a prescription. I also don't think Kirk would have suggested Prince might have ingested some "off market" meds (presuming Kirk knew about the illicit opioids...I think he most likely did) as that could generate further, unnecessary inquisition. After all, the crisis had passed (Prince was revived via the Narcan) and there was no need to divulge any more than necessary at that juncture. disch said:

That article cites TMZ for the percocet info, but I don't think that was confirmed by a more reliable source. The 6/8 warrant says that "Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet." So Kirk speculated that at the time, appararantly ("may have taken.". To me it seems doubtful he actually ODed on Percocet: It would take quite a few legit Percocets to have that effect, and it's also possible he took one/some of his counterfeit pills that looked like Percocet but actually contained other stuff. Hard to know.

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XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die. We should say with the psalmist, “My times are in your hands” (Psalm 31:15).

God is the giver of life. He gives, and He takes away (Job 1:21). Suicide, the taking of one’s own life, is ungodly because it rejects God’s gift of life. No man or woman should presume to take God’s authority upon themselves to end his or her own life.

XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

I'm wondering if he may have been obtaining pills through the black market because he could not receive enough legitimately through his doctor. In other words, he had built up tolerance to the opioids that his doctor had prescribed for him (or for him in Kirk's name) and needed stronger opioids or more of the opioids he was taking in order to ease his chronic pain.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die. We should say with the psalmist, “My times are in your hands” (Psalm 31:15).

God is the giver of life. He gives, and He takes away (Job 1:21). Suicide, the taking of one’s own life, is ungodly because it rejects God’s gift of life. No man or woman should presume to take God’s authority upon themselves to end his or her own life.

ChocolateBox, exactly. Prince was a man of deep faith. His deep faith, combined with the evidence from the ME findings/toxicology reports/police investigation consistently pointing toward an accidental fentanyl overdose as his cause of death, is why I accept the accidental fentanyl OD as his cause of death...until clear and convincing evidence shows me otherwise.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, and TMZ knew Prince was dead before anyone else! Check out the time it was published......

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ead-at-57/

This is the most disturbing and creepy considering he was not declared deceased until 10.07

Sheriiff recieves a the call at 9.43

TMZ Reports his Death at 9.49 ???

WTF....