laytonian said:

morningsong said:

The exact same outfit he was taken a picture in, not only that Wednesday at Walgreens returning from a medical appointment, but iirc months earlier in a record store, easiest conclusion, those were his casual clothes. No hidden mystery needed.

Exactly.
...and backwards? Those pants looked like women's yoga pants and a man's "package" would mean wearing them backwards made more sense.
He'd been at the doctor's. Had to partially strip down for the exam. Probably just threw things back on....and those kinds of things don't matter. Sometimes I put mine on backwards, too.

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You can't be serious with that!

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

How would anyone who didn't hang out with him know that? And what if it turns out he did, then what?

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I don't know -- I'm asking you.

I don't know either, so instead of going all left field with some random piece of info I choose to leave it at the simpliest explanation. Nothing unusual about him wearing all black, no symbolism necessary. The backwards thing is questionable but there are still other possiblities that have nothing to do with symbolism but just everyday living. So far nothing in his attire represents Prince making elaborate well thought out plans on leaving this world.

laytonian said:

purplegirl00 said:

Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen anything solid suggesting he didn't know.

I have stayed largely out of these types of threads (about his death) due to going around in circles. FI still maintain he made a decision and until iron clad proof of the otherwise comes out, that's where I'll stay. I'm out.. peace.

Every one of your comments contains something like "I may have missed it" or "I haven't followed the posts" -- so you're basing your beliefs on third-hand comments HERE rather than searching out reliable sources?
Please.
THIS is how fake news gets spread.

Nice try. NOTHING I've said is news, just my opinion on the information that I have seen from several places. So you can cut with the dramatics. I say "I may have missed it" or "haven't followed the posts", because unlike some of you, I have a life and haven't got time to spend here or research and pick through every little piece of information to overanalyze what's basically already in front of your face.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why won't everybody just agree with me and my stories. Why?

morningsong said:

Why won't everybody just agree with me and my stories. Why?

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cloveringold85 said:

purplegirl00 said:

I hear what you are saying and I agree that Prince wouldn't have wanted anyone to be traumatized over his death, but I still feel like he planned and his timing was off or miscalculated the first time. Then overdosing twice in a week with the second time being with such a high concentrated amount- enough to kill him 8000 times over just doesn't sound accidental or homicidal at all to me but his own intention.

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You don't think the way Prince died was/ is traumatizing?

Of course his death has been traumatizing! What kind of a comment is that?

cloveringold85 said:

Drugs in pill form don't enter the bloodstream immediately. It takes some time for them to digest in the stomach first. Could be 15 or 30 minutes or more depending.

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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With the toxic amount of Fentanyl in his system; there is no way he would have been to walk to the elevator. Not possible.

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It is very interesting that Prince was dressed in black clothing -- from head to toe; black cap, black pants, black underwear, black t-shirt, black socks -- and his clothes on backwards.

Exactly his probably stopped beating right away when he took those pills 😓

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laytonian said:

zenarose said:

It is possible that Prince took a pill and then got sidetracked by a phone call, sending or reading an email, ect. Then took another dose, forgetting that he had already taken the other one. It has happened to me. BUT I'm a big chicken when it comes to meds so when I can't remember...I skip till the next dose.

That's how I do it too, it's safer for me tho. Well, two weeks ago, my brain played a trick on me while I was sleeping, I thought I forgot to take my meds, woke up und took another dose, I was scared shitless when it dawned on me and the next day, I felt really, really sick. So yeah, it can happen that you forget that you took the dose or your brain plays a trick on you etc, and maybe that's what happened to Prince.

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disch said:

purplegirl00 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You don't think the way Prince died was/ is traumatizing?

Of course his death has been traumatizing! What kind of a comment is that?

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I said that in response to what you said: "Prince didn't want anyone to be traumatized by his death."

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I sincerely hope that Prince didn't feel that way, because the sudden loss of a loved one and/or Icon is very traumatizing, and especially the way he was found in the elevator--imagine being there and having that image in your head -- a terrible memory, in my opinion.

disch said:

TMZ was on Prince's tail.....just look at the trash they were saying about him in the days leading up to his death:

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Someone in Prince's camp must have been feeding them info, because how on God's green earth would they know that Prince went to Walgreen's 4 TIMES in the same week? It's kinda creepy --

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ens-death/

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Prince was "kinda" well?

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ark-photo/

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Oh, and TMZ knew Prince was dead before anyone else! Check out the time it was published......

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ead-at-57/

ThatWhiteDude said:

zenarose said:

It is possible that Prince took a pill and then got sidetracked by a phone call, sending or reading an email, ect. Then took another dose, forgetting that he had already taken the other one. It has happened to me. BUT I'm a big chicken when it comes to meds so when I can't remember...I skip till the next dose.

That's how I do it too, it's safer for me tho. Well, two weeks ago, my brain played a trick on me while I was sleeping, I thought I forgot to take my meds, woke up und took another dose, I was scared shitless when it dawned on me and the next day, I felt really, really sick. So yeah, it can happen that you forget that you took the dose or your brain plays a trick on you etc, and maybe that's what happened to Prince.

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I sincerely don't think this was the case with Prince at all. He was a very careful person. This is a Man who lived a Vegan life, and it will be a cold day in Hell before Prince would ever put poison into his body! I will never believe that Prince would ever knowingly take street drugs.

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The Fentanyl that killed him were "mislabeled" pills. For all he knew, they could have been baking soda or a sugar pill.......the point I am trying to drive home here is that, there would be no way that Prince would know what was actually in those pills. Do any of you dismiss the idea that Prince could have thought they were just his regular Rx pills and not street drugs?

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

That's how I do it too, it's safer for me tho. Well, two weeks ago, my brain played a trick on me while I was sleeping, I thought I forgot to take my meds, woke up und took another dose, I was scared shitless when it dawned on me and the next day, I felt really, really sick. So yeah, it can happen that you forget that you took the dose or your brain plays a trick on you etc, and maybe that's what happened to Prince.

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I sincerely don't think this was the case with Prince at all. He was a very careful person. This is a Man who lived a Vegan life, and it will be a cold day in Hell before Prince would ever put poison into his body! I will never believe that Prince would ever knowingly take street drugs.

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The Fentanyl that killed him were "mislabeled" pills. For all he knew, they could have been baking soda or a sugar pill.......the point I am trying to drive home here is that, there would be no way that Prince would know what was actually in those pills. Do any of you dismiss the idea that Prince could have thought they were just his regular Rx pills and not street drugs?

We didn't say what you're implying here, we simply said that it's possible that he forgot that he took a pill and then decided to take another, not knowing that it's streetdrugs (because they were mislabled).

cloveringold85 said:

purplegirl00 said:

Of course his death has been traumatizing! What kind of a comment is that?

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I said that in response to what you said: "Prince didn't want anyone to be traumatized by his death."

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I sincerely hope that Prince didn't feel that way, because the sudden loss of a loved one and/or Icon is very traumatizing, and especially the way he was found in the elevator--imagine being there and having that image in your head -- a terrible memory, in my opinion.

I guess that came out wrong because I didn't mean that way. I'm sorry. I meant that I agreed Prince wouldn't want to traumatize anyone by dying in front of them. I know Judith said he passed out in front of her while they were eating, but perhaps he intended to be in a private room on the plane and timed it wrong.

cloveringold85 said:

TMZ: “more than a hundred tips arrive every day” on the TMZ voicemail from people looking for cash payouts. The story even detailed how producers pay for scoops and help nervous tipsters follow through on leaks. An International Business Times story in 2014 reported that TMZ pays up to “several thousand dollars” for solid leads. A big video or photo can mean much more.

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https://www.thewrap.com/t...ath-scoop/

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I sincerely don't think this was the case with Prince at all. He was a very careful person. This is a Man who lived a Vegan life, and it will be a cold day in Hell before Prince would ever put poison into his body! I will never believe that Prince would ever knowingly take street drugs.

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The Fentanyl that killed him were "mislabeled" pills. For all he knew, they could have been baking soda or a sugar pill.......the point I am trying to drive home here is that, there would be no way that Prince would know what was actually in those pills. Do any of you dismiss the idea that Prince could have thought they were just his regular Rx pills and not street drugs?

We didn't say what you're implying here, we simply said that it's possible that he forgot that he took a pill and then decided to take another, not knowing that it's streetdrugs (because they were mislabled).

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Understood.

purplegirl00 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I said that in response to what you said: "Prince didn't want anyone to be traumatized by his death."

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I sincerely hope that Prince didn't feel that way, because the sudden loss of a loved one and/or Icon is very traumatizing, and especially the way he was found in the elevator--imagine being there and having that image in your head -- a terrible memory, in my opinion.

I guess that came out wrong because I didn't mean that way. I'm sorry. I meant that I agreed Prince wouldn't want to traumatize anyone by dying in front of them. I know Judith said he passed out in front of her while they were eating, but perhaps he intended to be in a private room on the plane and timed it wrong.

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No problem. Perhaps I was reading into what you said, incorrectly.

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I don't think that Prince would intentionally try to overdose on an airplane in front of his colleagues. Some people think that Prince OD on the plane to be sure no help was given, and he would die on the plane. I just don't feel that is true. Reason I feel this way is because of the person that Prince was; he was very respectful to other's and respected the feelings of others, and I don't think he would want to do something so horrifying; especially to a close friend.

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He could have gone straight home to PP and overdosed, if he wanted to; but he didn't. He held a party at PP after Moline and wanted to let his loving fans know he was okay. If he didn't care how other's feel, then wouldn't have done that. He could have simply gone into hiding. He was a very thoughtful and kind person. He loved his fans; probably more than anything else on this earth!

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I am in no way trying to discredit how other's may feel about this issue. I'm only expressing how I feel.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I sincerely don't think this was the case with Prince at all. He was a very careful person. This is a Man who lived a Vegan life, and it will be a cold day in Hell before Prince would ever put poison into his body! I will never believe that Prince would ever knowingly take street drugs.

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The Fentanyl that killed him were "mislabeled" pills. For all he knew, they could have been baking soda or a sugar pill.......the point I am trying to drive home here is that, there would be no way that Prince would know what was actually in those pills. Do any of you dismiss the idea that Prince could have thought they were just his regular Rx pills and not street drugs?

Oh yea, I'm with you on that. I meant his scripts he taking. I don't believe that he knew the pills were laced with Fentanyl.

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No problem. Nice to see you, hon!

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I guess I'm starting to feel emotional all over again, because it will be that time again, soon.

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If we ever find out that he did commit suicide, then I will be the biggest fool that ever walked this earth!!

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I am prepared.....whatever the outcome.

cloveringold85 said:

purplegirl00 said:

I guess that came out wrong because I didn't mean that way. I'm sorry. I meant that I agreed Prince wouldn't want to traumatize anyone by dying in front of them. I know Judith said he passed out in front of her while they were eating, but perhaps he intended to be in a private room on the plane and timed it wrong.

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No problem. Perhaps I was reading into what you said, incorrectly.

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I don't think that Prince would intentionally try to overdose on an airplane in front of his colleagues. Some people think that Prince OD on the plane to be sure no help was given, and he would die on the plane. I just don't feel that is true. Reason I feel this way is because of the person that Prince was; he was very respectful to other's and respected the feelings of others, and I don't think he would want to do something so horrifying; especially to a close friend.

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He could have gone straight home to PP and overdosed, if he wanted to; but he didn't. He held a party at PP after Moline and wanted to let his loving fans know he was okay. If he didn't care how other's feel, then wouldn't have done that. He could have simply gone into hiding. He was a very thoughtful and kind person. He loved his fans; probably more than anything else on this earth!

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I am in no way trying to discredit how other's may feel about this issue. I'm only expressing how I feel.

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said: Oh yea, I'm with you on that. I meant his scripts he taking. I don't believe that he knew the pills were laced with Fentanyl.

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No problem. Nice to see you, hon!

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I guess I'm starting to feel emotional all over again, because it will be that time again, soon.

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If we ever find out that he did commit suicide, then I will be the biggest fool that ever walked this earth!!

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I am prepared.....whatever the outcome.

Don't think like that you're not a fool, you just viewed it differently. I think we all would be shocked.

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said: Oh yea, I'm with you on that. I meant his scripts he taking. I don't believe that he knew the pills were laced with Fentanyl.

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No problem. Nice to see you, hon!

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I guess I'm starting to feel emotional all over again, because it will be that time again, soon.

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If we ever find out that he did commit suicide, then I will be the biggest fool that ever walked this earth!!

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I am prepared.....whatever the outcome.

Don't feel that way Clover, it's not like that. Every day since April 21st 2016 has been difficult when looking at what happened. It may be years before it's officially out there what really happened.

I thought I would share this person's comment I saw on YouTube (yeah, I know it's not a good source of information), but this person is a healthcare professional and he/she shared her thoughts......

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.....but as a healthcare professional it is notable that fentanyl has a short half life. This means that the amount of time for the drug to reach half of it's dosage potency after you have taken it is not long. Which means it doesn't take long for your body to clear it. Even fentanyl in a long acting form or lozenge takes a day and a half to be cleared from your system. Where other drugs that you have been taking consistently may take several days to even weeks to clear your system. I say all of that to basically point out that it is unlikely that the levels are so high (in the liver) based on a tolerance that could have been built up by addiction. Not only that but symptoms of those who abuse fentanyl include among other things: confusion, slurred speech, and muscle weakness and stiffness. Something that seems unlikely that Prince had because just within the week of his death he was performing in concert, and riding his bike around Paisley Park. Not only that but there were no other drugs in his system apparently.

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The internet is buzzing!!

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ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No problem. Nice to see you, hon!

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I guess I'm starting to feel emotional all over again, because it will be that time again, soon.

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If we ever find out that he did commit suicide, then I will be the biggest fool that ever walked this earth!!

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I am prepared.....whatever the outcome.

Don't think like that you're not a fool, you just viewed it differently. I think we all would be shocked.

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Thank you; you are sweet to say that. I just feel like if Prince hid all of this from us, then I will feel like the biggest fool, because I believed in him and trusted him. I was not his friend, nor a close confidant, so, what do I know, right? I'm not denying he had pain and had a dependency on pain pills. I just don't want to believe that he intentionally took those Fentanyl pills--my heart is telling me he didn't. People can say I'm nuts or whatever they want; it doesn't matter. I just want what is right and just, in Prince's name. That's all.