Amazing how many times Prince's comment about not 'wasting any prayers' is made in these discussions when he was simply trying to calm people down and express there was no need for concern. He simply meant that people should save their prayers until they'd waited long enough to know the facts. The tragedy is that there was plenty to be concerned about as we now know. Prince was attempting to cover that.

So many of the theories here lack any basis in logic and fact based on the limited information we do have.

OperatingThetan said:

OperatingThetan said:

Amazing how many times Prince's comment about not 'wasting any prayers' is made in these discussions when he was simply trying to calm people down and express there was no need for concern. He simply meant that people should save their prayers until they'd waited long enough to know the facts. The tragedy is that there was plenty to be concerned about as we now know. Prince was attempting to cover that. So many of the theories here lack any basis in logic and fact based on the limited information we do have.

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

WeDaBest said:

OperatingThetan said:

Amazing how many times Prince's comment about not 'wasting any prayers' is made in these discussions when he was simply trying to calm people down and express there was no need for concern. He simply meant that people should save their prayers until they'd waited long enough to know the facts. The tragedy is that there was plenty to be concerned about as we now know. Prince was attempting to cover that. So many of the theories here lack any basis in logic and fact based on the limited information we do have.

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

He didn't want the people to worry, he said this as if to say: "Everything is fine, don't waste your prayers." That doesn't mean he gave up.

purplegirl00 said:

Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen anything solid suggesting he didn't know.

I have stayed largely out of these types of threads (about his death) due to going around in circles. FI still maintain he made a decision and until iron clad proof of the otherwise comes out, that's where I'll stay. I'm out.. peace.

There are a bunch of us who have said and think the same as you. You aren't alone

Mumio said:

SSDD


Which will end with something like, "well if you guys want to simply ignore the facts..."

purplegirl00 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Six days aren't much to calm people down and telling them to leave him alone would be a huge red flag if some people would've been concerned about a possible suicide. I think he build up tolerance and just thought: "One more pill won't hurt" without knowing what was in it and that it was very toxic.

He had a party at PP the day after the plane incident and was trying to behave as normal as possible. However, he did tell party goers wishing him well, to "wait a few days before wasting prayers" or something like that. IIRC, he sent Kirk home the night of the 20th after he dropped him off from the pharmacy, and then there is the issue of the cameras being turned off and/or removed- which I know has been discussed ad nauseum here. Until it is PROVEN that Prince was held down and had pills shoved down his throat, I will always believe Prince was responsible for himself and made his own decision.

NO.
He said "next time you hear something in the media, wait a few days before you say your prayers" WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
He **always** stayed alone in PP at night. Hell, he had to let Afshin in the door every morning.

So which rumor are you spreading? That the cameras were removed or turned off?
Isn't it reasonable that, if doctors and others were coming in the next morning, the security system would be off so that the police wouldn't show up?
Y'all don't have security systems? Y'all keep them ON when people are coming over?

laytonian said:

purplegirl00 said:

He had a party at PP the day after the plane incident and was trying to behave as normal as possible. However, he did tell party goers wishing him well, to "wait a few days before wasting prayers" or something like that. IIRC, he sent Kirk home the night of the 20th after he dropped him off from the pharmacy, and then there is the issue of the cameras being turned off and/or removed- which I know has been discussed ad nauseum here. Until it is PROVEN that Prince was held down and had pills shoved down his throat, I will always believe Prince was responsible for himself and made his own decision.

NO.
He said "next time you hear something in the media, wait a few days before you say your prayers" WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
He **always** stayed alone in PP at night. Hell, he had to let Afshin in the door every morning.

So which rumor are you spreading? That the cameras were removed or turned off?
Isn't it reasonable that, if doctors and others were coming in the next morning, the security system would be off so that the police wouldn't show up?
Y'all don't have security systems? Y'all keep them ON when people are coming over?

206Michelle said:

laytonian said:

Today's news: the judge granted ONLY the Moline records and to the family attorneys ONLY. They cannot copy, photograph, etc. Keep up. http://m.startribune.com/...478162593/ [Edited 3/28/18 9:51am]

The 03/23/2018 article from the Chanhassen Villager is relevant because it mentions today's date:

'On March 28, Carver County Attorney Mark Metz planned to be in Carver County District Court to “address what, if any, investigative reports of the Carver County Sheriff’s Office will be disclosed to the Schwebel, Goetz and Sieben Law Firm under a protective order,” the release stated.'

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Of note from today's Star-Tribune article is the article's last sentence:

"Once the case is closed, all investigative records become public under state law."

[Edited 3/28/18 10:04am]

UH....I already posted the Judge's decision.

OperatingThetan said:

purplegirl00 said:

Exactly. He tried it a week earlier with a different drug and the Narcan brought him back.

If Prince chose to intentionally overdose why would he do so on a plane with at least two other people present? Why not wait and just administer the dose at home in privacy? If he intended to suicide the second time why was he found in an elevator? Why not simply go to bed and/or leave a note? In addition, Prince could have chosen to cancel the rescheduled concerts and was under no pressure to host a party at Paisley the Sunday before his passing. These are not the likely actions of someone who planned to die. In fact, the entire scene and tragedy speaks to there being no planning at all.

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purplegirl00 said:

206Michelle said:

I'm not aware of any evidence indicating that he knew that the substance he injested, which caused his death, was laced with fentanyl. At this time, the evidence strongly supports that Prince died via accidental fentanyl overdose, not suicide or homicide.

Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen anything solid suggesting he didn't know.

I have stayed largely out of these types of threads (about his death) due to going around in circles. FI still maintain he made a decision and until iron clad proof of the otherwise comes out, that's where I'll stay. I'm out.. peace.

Every one of your comments contains something like "I may have missed it" or "I haven't followed the posts" -- so you're basing your beliefs on third-hand comments HERE rather than searching out reliable sources?
Please.
THIS is how fake news gets spread.

purplegirl00 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But Judith said he told her he was fighting for his life. And I don't believe he'd do it when there are people with him who could be traumatized because they couldn't save him (they saved him, but what if it would've been too late?). Let alone being in eyeshot while he decided to end it all. You know what I mean? People who chose this way want to go without witnesses, it's not like he threw himself infront of a train.

I hear what you are saying and I agree that Prince wouldn't have wanted anyone to be traumatized over his death, but I still feel like he planned and his timing was off or miscalculated the first time. Then overdosing twice in a week with the second time being with such a high concentrated amount- enough to kill him 8000 times over just doesn't sound accidental or homicidal at all to me but his own intention.

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You don't think the way Prince died was/ is traumatizing?

OperatingThetan said:

Amazing how many times Prince's comment about not 'wasting any prayers' is made in these discussions when he was simply trying to calm people down and express there was no need for concern. He simply meant that people should save their prayers until they'd waited long enough to know the facts. The tragedy is that there was plenty to be concerned about as we now know. Prince was attempting to cover that. So many of the theories here lack any basis in logic and fact based on the limited information we do have.

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EXACTLY.
There is very little critical thinking or judgment here. It's a soup of beliefs in rumors, psychics, broken hearts, 302 religious ideas -- and when one tries to put some truth in, it's ignored.

Thanks for trying!

lastdecember said:

The fact that PRINCE was cremated so quickly shows that someone in the family knew the issues that were going on, regardless of what it was. Also everything is sealed we are not going to know IF something else was going on, it really is just a guess at this point, the only person that knows is dead.

Also interesting was the way he was found not just in an elevator, but also with his clothing inside out, now he may have literally known he overdid it and was running out for help or maybe just air, since the thing that fentayl does it kill you by taking away your oxygen. Also for the first incident it is obvious now that PRINCE was performing while on the drug itself, because of the timeline and how long this takes he uses prior and after the show.

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With the toxic amount of Fentanyl in his system; there is no way he would have been to walk to the elevator. Not possible.

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It is very interesting that Prince was dressed in black clothing -- from head to toe; black cap, black pants, black underwear, black t-shirt, black socks -- and his clothes on backwards.

cloveringold85 said:

purplegirl00 said:

I hear what you are saying and I agree that Prince wouldn't have wanted anyone to be traumatized over his death, but I still feel like he planned and his timing was off or miscalculated the first time. Then overdosing twice in a week with the second time being with such a high concentrated amount- enough to kill him 8000 times over just doesn't sound accidental or homicidal at all to me but his own intention.

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You don't think the way Prince died was/ is traumatizing?

I can imagine it was

laytonian said:

purplegirl00 said:

He had a party at PP the day after the plane incident and was trying to behave as normal as possible. However, he did tell party goers wishing him well, to "wait a few days before wasting prayers" or something like that. IIRC, he sent Kirk home the night of the 20th after he dropped him off from the pharmacy, and then there is the issue of the cameras being turned off and/or removed- which I know has been discussed ad nauseum here. Until it is PROVEN that Prince was held down and had pills shoved down his throat, I will always believe Prince was responsible for himself and made his own decision.

NO.
He said "next time you hear something in the media, wait a few days before you say your prayers" WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
He **always** stayed alone in PP at night. Hell, he had to let Afshin in the door every morning.

So which rumor are you spreading? That the cameras were removed or turned off?
Isn't it reasonable that, if doctors and others were coming in the next morning, the security system would be off so that the police wouldn't show up?
Y'all don't have security systems? Y'all keep them ON when people are coming over?

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Thank you for making that correction -- so much information gets twisted here.

cloveringold85 said:

lastdecember said:

The fact that PRINCE was cremated so quickly shows that someone in the family knew the issues that were going on, regardless of what it was. Also everything is sealed we are not going to know IF something else was going on, it really is just a guess at this point, the only person that knows is dead.

Also interesting was the way he was found not just in an elevator, but also with his clothing inside out, now he may have literally known he overdid it and was running out for help or maybe just air, since the thing that fentayl does it kill you by taking away your oxygen. Also for the first incident it is obvious now that PRINCE was performing while on the drug itself, because of the timeline and how long this takes he uses prior and after the show.

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With the toxic amount of Fentanyl in his system; there is no way he would have been to walk to the elevator. Not possible.

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It is very interesting that Prince was dressed in black clothing -- from head to toe; black cap, black pants, black underwear, black t-shirt, black socks -- and his clothes on backwards.

The exact same outfit he was taken a picture in, not only that Wednesday at Walgreens returning from a medical appointment, but iirc months earlier in a record store, easiest conclusion, those were his casual clothes. No hidden mystery needed.

From the AP:

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The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince’s blood was 67.8 micrograms per liter. The report explains that fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per liter.

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The report also says the level of fentanyl in Prince’s liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram, and notes that liver concentrations greater than 69 micrograms per kilogram “seem to represent overdose or fatal toxicity cases.”

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https://www.apnews.com/f8...drug-level

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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With the toxic amount of Fentanyl in his system; there is no way he would have been to walk to the elevator. Not possible.

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It is very interesting that Prince was dressed in black clothing -- from head to toe; black cap, black pants, black underwear, black t-shirt, black socks -- and his clothes on backwards.

The exact same outfit he was taken a picture in, not only that Wednesday at Walgreens returning from a medical appointment, but iirc months earlier in a record store, easiest conclusion, those were his casual clothes. No hidden mystery needed.

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So, Prince commonly wore all-black clothing? He commonly wore his clothing backwards?

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

The exact same outfit he was taken a picture in, not only that Wednesday at Walgreens returning from a medical appointment, but iirc months earlier in a record store, easiest conclusion, those were his casual clothes. No hidden mystery needed.

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So, Prince commonly wore all-black clothing? He commonly wore his clothing backwards?

How would anyone who didn't hang out with him know that? And what if it turns out he did, then what?

laytonian said:

Today's news: the judge granted ONLY the Moline records and to the family attorneys ONLY. They cannot copy, photograph, etc. Keep up. http://m.startribune.com/...478162593/ [Edited 3/28/18 9:51am]

So would that mean that they are looking at the Hospital or Dr.'s in Moline for a possible negligent case?

ThatWhiteDude said:

WeDaBest said:

Sorry but my problem with his comment about "not wasting any prayers" never quite made sense to me unless you were completely giving up. As Christians we always ask for prayers. I pray for you, you pray for me. Why would he tell his fans/friends not to pray for him? Why would he think that by praying we would be wasting our prayers? He would have know the facts and prayers would not have hurt at this time

He didn't want the people to worry, he said this as if to say: "Everything is fine, don't waste your prayers." That doesn't mean he gave up.

Yes. In fact, there are some who were actually there who quote him saying it like "Next time you hear something, get the facts before you waste any prayers."

They've also misconstrued his comments that last party about "can't play the guitar".
"“I have to leave it in the case or I'll be tempted to play it,” he told the audience. “Ican't play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better.”

Twisting things around is a game here.

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

The exact same outfit he was taken a picture in, not only that Wednesday at Walgreens returning from a medical appointment, but iirc months earlier in a record store, easiest conclusion, those were his casual clothes. No hidden mystery needed.

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So, Prince commonly wore all-black clothing? He commonly wore his clothing backwards?

This is from afshin's book

Now, it doesn't look like their backwards, but apparently, it wasn't uncommon to wear only black clothes.

laytonian said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

He didn't want the people to worry, he said this as if to say: "Everything is fine, don't waste your prayers." That doesn't mean he gave up.

Yes. In fact, there are some who were actually there who quote him saying it like "Next time you hear something, get the facts before you waste any prayers."

They've also misconstrued his comments that last party about "can't play the guitar".
"“I have to leave it in the case or I'll be tempted to play it,” he told the audience. “Ican't play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better.”

Twisting things around is a game here.

It definitely is

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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With the toxic amount of Fentanyl in his system; there is no way he would have been to walk to the elevator. Not possible.

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It is very interesting that Prince was dressed in black clothing -- from head to toe; black cap, black pants, black underwear, black t-shirt, black socks -- and his clothes on backwards.

The exact same outfit he was taken a picture in, not only that Wednesday at Walgreens returning from a medical appointment, but iirc months earlier in a record store, easiest conclusion, those were his casual clothes. No hidden mystery needed.

Exactly.
...and backwards? Those pants looked like women's yoga pants and a man's "package" would mean wearing them backwards made more sense.
He'd been at the doctor's. Had to partially strip down for the exam. Probably just threw things back on....and those kinds of things don't matter. Sometimes I put mine on backwards, too.

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From Part II:

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We really don't know that "he was being followed" on 4/20. Someone snapped a blurry shot of him at Walgreens, but as far as we know that was just a regular person who happened to be there, noticed Prince and got of a few shots. If a paparazzi followed him all day, we'd have pictures of him doing other things, such as going to the hospital which he did prior to Walgreens.

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Also where did you see the quote from the Walgreens clerk saying he looked "agitated" on 4/20? I don't recall ever reading that...

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Maybe he had to take the tests to check if the pills demaged his system, you know if he planned on going to rehab they probably wanted to check if he needs further treatment if the pills demaged him in any way. It's just a thought of mine.

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Yes, I have thought of that as well. He could have been having tests done so the doctor knows what's in his system and to see if he organs are functioning well before he started any treatment.

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The clerks at Walgreen's said that Prince seemed "agitated", but we don't really know if he was. All we have to go on is a picture of him walking outside of Walgreen's. If we had actualy video footage of Prince being in an "agitated" state, and pacing back and forth, that would tell us a lot (or maybe not).

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All we know is that he was being followed on the 20th of April, and we don't know why.

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>>>>>Disch: To answer you -- It's obvious that Prince was being followed on April 20th. TMZ has people everywhere. They had all the deets as soon as Prince died. The picture someone snapped of Prince outside Walgreen's looks pretty clear to me.

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The report about the Walgreen's employee's stated that Prince seemed agitated. I remember reading the article a while back, but I will have to go back and look for it again.

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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So, Prince commonly wore all-black clothing? He commonly wore his clothing backwards?

How would anyone who didn't hang out with him know that? And what if it turns out he did, then what?

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I don't know -- I'm asking you.

PennyPurple said:

laytonian said:

Today's news: the judge granted ONLY the Moline records and to the family attorneys ONLY. They cannot copy, photograph, etc. Keep up. http://m.startribune.com/...478162593/ [Edited 3/28/18 9:51am]

So would that mean that they are looking at the Hospital or Dr.'s in Moline for a possible negligent case?

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I would like to know what the hell happened in Moline -- what did the doctor's there give Prince?

laytonian said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

He didn't want the people to worry, he said this as if to say: "Everything is fine, don't waste your prayers." That doesn't mean he gave up.

Yes. In fact, there are some who were actually there who quote him saying it like "Next time you hear something, get the facts before you waste any prayers."

They've also misconstrued his comments that last party about "can't play the guitar".
"“I have to leave it in the case or I'll be tempted to play it,” he told the audience. “Ican't play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better.”

Twisting things around is a game here.

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I think the reason for this is because tidbits of information get passed around the internet, and things get mixed-up pretty quickly. Prince still played the guitar, and played it beautifully.