morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

because tabloids usually have someone close to a star. chick sold our man out in the eighties for a quick fix.

Wrong sister, he had 4 of them, and it's been repeated several times over the past 2 years which sister it was, yet people keep pulling Tyka for some reason. And you've been here so I don't know why you haven't gotten straight yet unless you simply just don't want to which means telling you again would be a waste of time.

no need to be nasty to me, chick means chick hunstberry you've been here long enough to know right blahhhhhhh

some people think the elevator was the place he picked on purpose. maybe the clothes was on purpose too just to twist our brains a little, Prince, well, i wouldn't put it beyond him to leave this planet doing the same shit he did with us his whole life, fucking with our heads. And with the brass balls that he had, i doubt he had much fear of death.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

If he wanted to kill himself why would he pick such a panic ridden hit or miss method...why not just pull your car inside, turn it on and go to sleep...with your cloths on right side out, a pillow under your beautiful head, and listening to some pretty music..very effective...prince was all about luxury and self image, if he was going to kill himself he would have made it special, the way he did everything...not messy and ugly...

that's why i think he had a pill like that, so he could do it without taking a bunch. i mean, i get it being the black market and stuff being fucked up but it was what? enough to kill an elephant, that doesn't sound like a mistake in the manufacturers mind. and..., as i said before, it seems the people who aren't fans are seeing how obviously suicidal it looks than the fans are. they have distance, most of us don't.

benni said:

morningsong said:

Yeah, I get there could be any number of possiblities, but going back to Prince, on the warrants, they collected a lot of the same kind of pills st PP, nearly 100 iirc. It doesn't seem to me that if you want to just test some pills out, one wouldn't buy a whole bunch of them at once. I mean maybe 10, maybe 20 but 100 seems a bit overboard for someone planning to pick a day to overdose. And picking a time when one is several thousand feet in the air as a test run hoping the pilot lands in the right spot, and that the ambulance arrives in time with a Narcan shot is really pushing it, wouldn't you think? Kirk didn't have a Narcan shot, the pilot didn't, who would he be planning on saving him? Why not just wait until his home, where the paramedics that know him are just down the street and where he would have more control of the media coverage? Seems a bit YA fan-fictionish to me.

Not only that, but if someone is thinking of taking an overdose on purpose, he would have taken them all, to ensure the outcome. He didn't.

PeteSilas said:

that's why i think he had a pill like that, so he could do it without taking a bunch. i mean, i get it being the black market and stuff being fucked up but it was what? enough to kill an elephant, that doesn't sound like a mistake in the manufacturers mind. and..., as i said before, it seems the people who aren't fans are seeing how obviously suicidal it looks than the fans are. they have distance, most of us don't.

He had 100 pills like that. What is the need for 100 kill pills?

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

that's why i think he had a pill like that, so he could do it without taking a bunch. i mean, i get it being the black market and stuff being fucked up but it was what? enough to kill an elephant, that doesn't sound like a mistake in the manufacturers mind. and..., as i said before, it seems the people who aren't fans are seeing how obviously suicidal it looks than the fans are. they have distance, most of us don't.

He had 100 pills like that. What is the need for 100 kill pills?

i don't know, you guys are getting too smart for me. smart like a two year old that i'll just let run around and burn off all his energy until he wants to lay his ass down.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Did you click on the first link, which says:

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SLOW SUICIDE!

Prince’s Sister Confirms: AIDS-Ridden Star Was Ready To Die

'Had two years to deal with it,' says Tyka!

By J.R. Taylor

Oct 6, 2016 @ 10:10AM

But if that was the truth, why does she need to write a book to "clear things up"? Or why didn't she say the same in the radio interview? The radio interview was live, she could've said everything and no one would've twisted her words.

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I don't know why we have to wait for a damn book to get the truth. Seems like a money-grab, imo.

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These articles (tabloid or not) really upset me, and I'm not even Prince's sister or relative! Being the person that I am, I would put a stop to all the lies and utter nonsense, but I don't see any of Prince's family making any effort whatsoever to do that. And, that is why it gets my Irish up!!

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Personally-speaking, I don't believe Prince had AIDS, because that story does not jive with Tyka's story, claiming she knew for 2-3 years, and if in fact someone is dying from AIDS (end stage), meaning death is near -- they sure as hell aren't going on tours and making public appearances; that's for sure!!

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Another thing, the tabloids reported that Prince was diagnosed with AIDS back in the 90s. How could that even be possible? He was married to Mayte up until the late 90s and then married Manuela, and they never made any claims that Prince was sick with AIDS. I'm sure they would know, if it were true!

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We all know that Prince died from a lethal Fentanyl overdose, NOT AIDS, and the family is not addressing that, which just spews more misinformation and rumors. Not good. It just makes the family look like they don't give a sh*t!!

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

He had 100 pills like that. What is the need for 100 kill pills?

i don't know, you guys are getting too smart for me. smart like a two year old that i'll just let run around and burn off all his energy until he wants to lay his ass down.

No need to get arrogant Pete, you have your opinion and we got ours.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

Because it's a waste of time to engage with a tabloid. By her talking about this stuff, she would just bring attention to it and get people asking more questions. Tabloids say crazy stuff about celebrities all the time, and every celebrity has all kinds of nutty rumors about them. It's par for the course. I'm sure they had plenty to say about him when he was alive too.

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I know that. Enquirer was trying to spin the story, saying that Tyka said it. My issue is "why" hasn't she spoke out against these tabloids? That is the point/question I am trying to make here.

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Yes, that is true. But remember, it was Tyka who ran to NE and gave them that story a few years back, when she was estranged from Prince.

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But if that was the truth, why does she need to write a book to "clear things up"? Or why didn't she say the same in the radio interview? The radio interview was live, she could've said everything and no one would've twisted her words.

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I don't know why we have to wait for a damn book to get the truth. Seems like a money-grab, imo.

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These articles (tabloid or not) really upset me, and I'm not even Prince's sister or relative! Being the person that I am, I would put a stop to all the lies and utter nonsense, but I don't see any of Prince's family making any effort whatsoever to do that. And, that is why it gets my Irish up!!

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Personally-speaking, I don't believe Prince had AIDS, because that story does not jive with Tyka's story, claiming she knew for 2-3 years, and if in fact someone is dying from AIDS (end stage), meaning death is near -- they sure as hell aren't going on tours and making public appearances; that's for sure!!

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Another thing, the tabloids reported that Prince was diagnosed with AIDS back in the 90s. How could that even be possible? He was married to Mayte up until the late 90s and then married Manuela, and they never made any claims that Prince was sick with AIDS. I'm sure they would know, if it were true!

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We all know that Prince died from a lethal Fentanyl overdose, NOT AIDS, and the family is not addressing that, which just spews more misinformation and rumors. Not good. It just makes the family look like they don't give a sh*t!!

It is a money grab If certain others would pull this crap people would lose their shit.

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rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

that's why i think he had a pill like that, so he could do it without taking a bunch. i mean, i get it being the black market and stuff being fucked up but it was what? enough to kill an elephant, that doesn't sound like a mistake in the manufacturers mind. and..., as i said before, it seems the people who aren't fans are seeing how obviously suicidal it looks than the fans are. they have distance, most of us don't.

He had 100 pills like that. What is the need for 100 kill pills?

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Plus.....he would have no idea what was in those pills or which one's had the lethal amount of Fentanyl. I wonder, was it just one pill that did it, or did he take a bunch?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No need to get arrogant Pete, you have your opinion and we got ours.

PeteSilas said:

Mumio said:

This.

i don't get it, is it a real scenario or is the "disclaimer" meant to make it theoretical? Even if Prince did do that, why on a plane? I thought maybe he did it on a plane thinking that no one would be able to save him, no one would get to him in time. Most likely, the complications, and lets face it, most people would be dead in a situation like that, no one is going to change flight plans and airport landing plans for you or me. so, that would be damned risky thing to try in the air like that. I don't buy it. I interpreted the first thing as being a possible failed suicide attempt. I don't believe Judith's story for the same reason i don't believe anyone's story in those high profile situations, everyone has an agenda which usually is pretty selfish.

But it wasn't risky at all. If the goal was to end it, and there was no "save" with Narcan, then it was over. And that was the goal, for it to be over. Read the scenario again, it makes perfect sense.

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

no need to be nasty to me, chick means chick hunstberry you've been here long enough to know right blahhhhhhh

Yeah,but geeus this goes back to people hanging having major opinions but only reading the overt sensational stuff and then broadcasting that all over the internet all in the name of keeping his legacy alive. Really? Regurgitating lies is keeping the legacy alive?

geeus, you were wrong to begin with about my post, when i said "chick" i didn't mean a female, i meant chick. Point was, sometimes people close to someone sell them out, so, doesn't that tell us something? doesn't it tell us that maybe that person shouldn't be listened to? or that maybe that that person, even if they do have proper information, (as elvis' cook,most likely, did when she told the enquirer he was dead) it tells you how rotten a person is too, it's a good barometer. Chick didn't hit too high on that barometer did he? He admitted he was wrong later, i also think it tells us something of the stars state of mind when they have people like that surrounding them. Elvis,MJ,Prince were all paranoid by the end of their lives because of how little they believe in people after what they see.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't get it, is it a real scenario or is the "disclaimer" meant to make it theoretical? Even if Prince did do that, why on a plane? I thought maybe he did it on a plane thinking that no one would be able to save him, no one would get to him in time. Most likely, the complications, and lets face it, most people would be dead in a situation like that, no one is going to change flight plans and airport landing plans for you or me. so, that would be damned risky thing to try in the air like that. I don't buy it. I interpreted the first thing as being a possible failed suicide attempt. I don't believe Judith's story for the same reason i don't believe anyone's story in those high profile situations, everyone has an agenda which usually is pretty selfish.

But it wasn't risky at all. If the goal was to end it, and there was no "save" with Narcan, then it was over. And that was the goal, for it to be over. Read the scenario again, it makes perfect sense.

ok, so you're saying that he tested out the fentanyl on the plane, od on purpose just to see if the narcan would work? you're saying the narcan didn't work? and you're saying it's because they used two shots? i'm just trying to get clear. either way, that sounds risky as hell, you'd have to have a lot more precise a dose than what he killed himself with. also, it wasn't clear, was the scenario with the "lady" real or theoretical?

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PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

rogifan said:

Does someone have a link to the interview where the chefs allegedly said Prince told them he was watching them. Give us a link to an actual quote (not second hand).

Rogifan. It was me who read that and brought it up a few pages back. I was not on the org back then and didn’t realize the need to keep Track of articles back then. I would have to do some amazing amount Of digging and recall to find that again. I’m sorry I don’t have the link.

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Chocolatebox provided a link in reply #440.

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

you guys are reading that all wrong, prince did the thing deniro did in meet the parents he said "ray..." and put his fingers up to his eyes, to me it sounded like prince, but a more mellow prince and one that i'd laugh at if it happened to me, nothing nefarious. Prince liked to micromanage, and when you micromanage, you do it to keep people in line because you can't really watch them all the time, so you emphasize small things like grease on the package to bust their balls over. It came out of european miltary training and it infiltrated everything and everyone else.

I’m fine with it not meaning anything, but then please let us stop reading Nefarious things into his sisters actions. And Kirks actions. Not pointing at you personally either.

not to beat a dead horse but the article was pretty lighthearted, affectionate and i seriously doubt a killer would leap to the front of the line to give an interview after his victim died. It's possible, because people do stupid shit, but a smart killer would want to lay low as possible. he gave all kinds of interviews and seemed like a regular guy to me.

LilaLiebe said:

PeteSilas said:

Mumio said:

But it wasn't risky at all. If the goal was to end it, and there was no "save" with Narcan, then it was over. And that was the goal, for it to be over. Read the scenario again, it makes perfect sense.

ok, so you're saying that he tested out the fentanyl on the plane, od on purpose just to see if the narcan would work? you're saying the narcan didn't work? and you're saying it's because they used two shots? i'm just trying to get clear. either way, that sounds risky as hell, you'd have to have a lot more precise a dose than what he killed himself with. also, it wasn't clear, was the scenario with the "lady" real or theoretical?

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Go back and read what Dibblekins posted again to see if it makes better sense to you. And I'm going to say one thing: people keep forgetting that it is EASY to have drugs custom made to order. Easy.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

ok, so you're saying that he tested out the fentanyl on the plane, od on purpose just to see if the narcan would work? you're saying the narcan didn't work? and you're saying it's because they used two shots? i'm just trying to get clear. either way, that sounds risky as hell, you'd have to have a lot more precise a dose than what he killed himself with. also, it wasn't clear, was the scenario with the "lady" real or theoretical?

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Go back and read what Dibblekins posted again to see if it makes better sense to you. And I'm going to say one thing: people keep forgetting that it is EASY to have drugs custom made to order. Easy.

we've spoken about the custom made drugs, i can buy that, i mean i wouldn't buy it but you get the idea.

Some Suicide Warning Signs

Have you ever heard someone say two or more of the following?

• Life isn’t worth living
• My family (or friends or girlfriend/boyfriend) would be better off without me
• Next time I’ll take enough pills to do the job right
• Take my prized collection or valuables — I don’t need this stuff anymore
• Don’t worry, I won’t be around to deal with that
• You’ll be sorry when I’m gone
• I won’t be in your way much longer
• I just can’t deal with everything — life’s too hard
• I won’t be a burden much longer
• Nobody understands me — nobody feels the way I do
• There’s nothing I can do to make it better
• I’d be better off dead
• I feel like there is no way out
• You’d be better off without me

Have you noticed them doing one or more of the following activities?

• Getting affairs in order (paying off debts, changing a will)
• Giving away articles of either personal or monetary value
• Signs of planning a suicide such as obtaining a weapon or writing a suicide note

Suicide is one of the most serious symptoms of someone who is suffering from severe depression. Common signs of depression include:

• Depressed or sad mood (e.g., feeling “blue” or “down in the dumps”)
• A change in the person’s sleeping patterns (e.g., sleeping too much or too little, or having difficulty sleeping the night through)
• A significant change in the person’s weight or appetite
• Speaking and/or moving with unusual speed or slowness
• Loss of interest or pleasure in usual activities (e.g., hobbies, outdoor activities, hanging around with friends)
• Withdrawal from family and friends
• Fatigue or loss of energy
• Diminished ability to think or concentrate, slowed thinking or indecisiveness
• Feelings of worthlessness, self-reproach, or guilt
• Thoughts of death, suicide, or wishes to be dead

Sometimes somebody who is trying to cope with depression on their own will be seen turning to things like alcohol or drugs to help ward away the depressivefeelings. Others might eat more, watch television for hours on end in bed, and not want to leave their house, apartment or dorm room. Sometimes a person who is depressed may stop caring about their physical appearance on a regular basis, or whether they shower or brush their teeth.

When I am having to assess a client for depression, we ask about whether they have withdrawn from activities they usually enjoy, how they are eating/sleeping, whether they have stopped doing self-care activities (such as bathing, getting dressed for the day), whether they have isolated themselves, stopped social activities (such as going out with friends or family), what their goal is (a person who is seriously contemplating suicide will not set long term goals, or will discard goals they had set previously), if they are giving away items to people that they know will appreciate those items, or if they are getting their affairs in order (labeling who gets what, getting rid of things they don't need or feel anyone would want, creating a will, signing a DNR, organizing their personal items, etc.). Usually the answers to these questions, tell us if there is an issue that we has been unidentified that we need to be addressing, or whether we need to be assessing them for suicidal ideation.

What we know about Prince:

* He had other Piano and Mic concerts planned

*He was working on several projects (his autobriography, a live album of the last P&M concert, possibly releasing an album with Mono Neon)

*He had just made some major purchases (the guitar and the piano - someone that is suicidal would not make any major purchases)

*Others have said he talked with them about other things he had planned

*Prince was always dressed to the 9s

*He was still going out and doing things that he enjoyed doing

*He wasn't giving away any of his personal items

*He didn't have his affairs in order

He does NOT sound like someone contemplating suicide.

benni said:

When I am having to assess a client for depression, we ask about whether they have withdrawn from activities they usually enjoy, how they are eating/sleeping, whether they have stopped doing self-care activities (such as bathing, getting dressed for the day), whether they have isolated themselves, stopped social activities (such as going out with friends or family), what their goal is (a person who is seriously contemplating suicide will not set long term goals, or will discard goals they had set previously), if they are giving away items to people that they know will appreciate those items, or if they are getting their affairs in order (labeling who gets what, getting rid of things they don't need or feel anyone would want, creating a will, signing a DNR, organizing their personal items, etc.). Usually the answers to these questions, tell us if there is an issue that we has been unidentified that we need to be addressing, or whether we need to be assessing them for suicidal ideation.

What we know about Prince:

* He had other Piano and Mic concerts planned

*He was working on several projects (his autobriography, a live album of the last P&M concert, possibly releasing an album with Mono Neon)

*He had just made some major purchases (the guitar and the piano - someone that is suicidal would not make any major purchases)

*Others have said he talked with them about other things he had planned

*Prince was always dressed to the 9s

*He was still going out and doing things that he enjoyed doing

*He wasn't giving away any of his personal items

*He didn't have his affairs in order

He does NOT sound like someone contemplating suicide.

SO glad you made these two posts...

^^Thank you so much benni!

Lovejunky said:

benni said:

When I am having to assess a client for depression, we ask about whether they have withdrawn from activities they usually enjoy, how they are eating/sleeping, whether they have stopped doing self-care activities (such as bathing, getting dressed for the day), whether they have isolated themselves, stopped social activities (such as going out with friends or family), what their goal is (a person who is seriously contemplating suicide will not set long term goals, or will discard goals they had set previously), if they are giving away items to people that they know will appreciate those items, or if they are getting their affairs in order (labeling who gets what, getting rid of things they don't need or feel anyone would want, creating a will, signing a DNR, organizing their personal items, etc.). Usually the answers to these questions, tell us if there is an issue that we has been unidentified that we need to be addressing, or whether we need to be assessing them for suicidal ideation.

What we know about Prince:

* He had other Piano and Mic concerts planned

*He was working on several projects (his autobriography, a live album of the last P&M concert, possibly releasing an album with Mono Neon)

*He had just made some major purchases (the guitar and the piano - someone that is suicidal would not make any major purchases)

*Others have said he talked with them about other things he had planned

*Prince was always dressed to the 9s

*He was still going out and doing things that he enjoyed doing

*He wasn't giving away any of his personal items

*He didn't have his affairs in order

He does NOT sound like someone contemplating suicide.

SO glad you made these two posts...

Having to assess people for suicial ideation, I wanted to clear the air. There was nothing that I had seen about Prince that would indicate he was contemplating taking his own life. Hearing people promote this idea makes me cringe, because as a clinician, I know that isn't the case. I understand that nothing about Prince's passing makes sense. We are creatures that like to make sense of things, that like things to fit neatly into some narrative, but I know that life is sometimes just messy and doesn't fit neatly into any narrative.

benni said:

When I am having to assess a client for depression, we ask about whether they have withdrawn from activities they usually enjoy, how they are eating/sleeping, whether they have stopped doing self-care activities (such as bathing, getting dressed for the day), whether they have isolated themselves, stopped social activities (such as going out with friends or family), what their goal is (a person who is seriously contemplating suicide will not set long term goals, or will discard goals they had set previously), if they are giving away items to people that they know will appreciate those items, or if they are getting their affairs in order (labeling who gets what, getting rid of things they don't need or feel anyone would want, creating a will, signing a DNR, organizing their personal items, etc.). Usually the answers to these questions, tell us if there is an issue that we has been unidentified that we need to be addressing, or whether we need to be assessing them for suicidal ideation.

What we know about Prince:

* He had other Piano and Mic concerts planned

*He was working on several projects (his autobriography, a live album of the last P&M concert, possibly releasing an album with Mono Neon)

*He had just made some major purchases (the guitar and the piano - someone that is suicidal would not make any major purchases)

*Others have said he talked with them about other things he had planned

*Prince was always dressed to the 9s

*He was still going out and doing things that he enjoyed doing

*He wasn't giving away any of his personal items

*He didn't have his affairs in order

He does NOT sound like someone contemplating suicide.

someone had a real interesting story about someone they knew on here, a software developer who's career was just taking off, made all kinds of plans, showed no signs and still killed himself. things don't always make sense. either way, him having a will, he should have had that in any case, maybe he had his own reasons for not having it.

PeteSilas said:

benni said:

When I am having to assess a client for depression, we ask about whether they have withdrawn from activities they usually enjoy, how they are eating/sleeping, whether they have stopped doing self-care activities (such as bathing, getting dressed for the day), whether they have isolated themselves, stopped social activities (such as going out with friends or family), what their goal is (a person who is seriously contemplating suicide will not set long term goals, or will discard goals they had set previously), if they are giving away items to people that they know will appreciate those items, or if they are getting their affairs in order (labeling who gets what, getting rid of things they don't need or feel anyone would want, creating a will, signing a DNR, organizing their personal items, etc.). Usually the answers to these questions, tell us if there is an issue that we has been unidentified that we need to be addressing, or whether we need to be assessing them for suicidal ideation.

What we know about Prince:

* He had other Piano and Mic concerts planned

*He was working on several projects (his autobriography, a live album of the last P&M concert, possibly releasing an album with Mono Neon)

*He had just made some major purchases (the guitar and the piano - someone that is suicidal would not make any major purchases)

*Others have said he talked with them about other things he had planned

*Prince was always dressed to the 9s

*He was still going out and doing things that he enjoyed doing

*He wasn't giving away any of his personal items

*He didn't have his affairs in order

He does NOT sound like someone contemplating suicide.

someone had a real interesting story about someone they knew on here, a software developer who's career was just taking off, made all kinds of plans, showed no signs and still killed himself. things don't always make sense. either way, him having a will, he should have had that in any case, maybe he had his own reasons for not having it.

Chances are this individual had other signs of suicidal ideation that were unidentified. If someone who has seemed depressed, suddenly shows an upswing in their mood, suddenly seems happier and is smiling, laughing more, one needs to pay closer attention to that individual, because that may indicate they have made a serious plan, have a date, time, and means scheduled. Just because his career was taking off, doesn't mean there weren't other signs. Just because he/she made some plans, doesn't mean there weren't other signs that they were not going to follow through on plans, but planned on taking their own life.

Edited to add:

Suicides can appear to happen fast, or “out of nowhere,” when we have not noticed any indications of a person’s suicidality. Although most people (80%) present a range of indicators to the people around them, few of us have been educated to recognize these warning signs and we miss them.

Suicides are also rarely the result of a single traumatic loss or change. Usually, there are many contributing factors and events that have developed or occurred over a period of time. A sudden traumatic event may be the ‘trigger’ event that moves a person to end their life, but it is unlikely the only cause.

It is likely that many suicides could be prevented if we educated ourselves about the immediate, short term, and long term indicators of suicidal risk, as well as how to reach out and get effective help for someone who is letting us know they are in serious distress.

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