Bodhitheblackdog said:

morningsong said:

I might as well say what's in my head. I believe the plane incident was an accident. There are 2 documented incidents with Prince. One mentioned by Kirk in the warrants, one with the "aspirin and wine" that was rumor untit was confirmed in Mayte's book. Both times he must have bounced back just fine. Who knows if there were other incidents where he pulled it together and bounced back. No reason why those in the know not to expect he'd do whatever he needed to do to pull it together again. Except there is this extra unknown element.. The red flag to me is the sudden emergency where the need for the doctor in Cali needs to take a red-eye flight, and Prince felt the need to get blood work done, nobody could make him see the local doctor if he didn't want to. God knows the mixture that was in those pills and how those various"meds" affected not only his body but his thought process. And for how long he'd been ingesting God knows what., he simply had no tolerance for. All that plays a role.

I agree, it was a trajectory that was gaining speed, spinning out of control...body, mind, soul...all of him.

All I know, is we don't know what prompted an emergency on Wednesday that wasn't seen as an emergency those first days when he got back to PP after Moline. He doesn't look to have physically collasped, he seemed to be going about his day on his own "steam". But something changed that day.

That's right -- the application for the 4/21/16 warrant says that the police needed "to process the crime scene which includes photographing, drawings, video recordings, and any other process needed to document the scene to include areas identified as Prince’s residence, Recording Studio, offices, and any other rooms contained within this address." (That warrant was the one that led to them searching PP at 2:30pm on 4/21 and finding the pill bottles.)

morningsong said:

1Sasha said:

I do agree that PP should have been classified a crime scene immediately so that the proper investigations could have been performed. Who knows what was altered or removed - or brought on to the property - when the doors were flung open for days after April 21. The rest of it? I can't agree with the reasoning, but it is no more facetious than what I think (suicide).

A warrant was issued that day. The first warrant list what was taken from PP that day, so I think it was classified as a crime scene that day.

disch said:

That's right -- the application for the 4/21/16 warrant says that the police needed "to process the crime scene which includes photographing, drawings, video recordings, and any other process needed to document the scene to include areas identified as Prince’s residence, Recording Studio, offices, and any other rooms contained within this address." (That warrant was the one that led to them searching PP at 2:30pm on 4/21 and finding the pill bottles.)

morningsong said:

A warrant was issued that day. The first warrant list what was taken from PP that day, so I think it was classified as a crime scene that day.

Perhaps it is law enforcement of Minni that the family is gonna go after. For negligience in handling the case. The area not being properly secured in order for a proper case to be conducted. Maybe it

has been so mishandled that they can't even possibly find their way to closeur. ????maybe??

morningsong said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree, it was a trajectory that was gaining speed, spinning out of control...body, mind, soul...all of him.

All I know, is we don't know what prompted an emergency on Wednesday that wasn't seen as an emergency those first days when he got back to PP after Moline. He doesn't look to have physically collasped, he seemed to be going about his day on his own "steam". But something changed that day.

After the plane incident, they were still trying to figure out what to do. They finally contacted a lawyer that Prince had worked with previously, to get her assistance. I'm sure that leading up to contacting the lawyer, they had to talk with Prince to discuss with him the need for help in dealing with his dependence. People still have the right for self-determination, to decide whether they want or need help. The only way they could have forced the issue would have been to prove that he was a threat to himself or others. I have tried to get adult protective services involved with individual cases in which I felt an adult was at risk due to drugs or alcohol, and they decline by stating, "It's a life style choice." They will not get involved in such cases. A judge would probably have thrown out a case in which they tried to prove Prince was a threat to himself, for the very same reason. "It's a life style choice." It wasn't that there was a greater emergency on Wednesday, but more like the fact of trying to convince Prince to get help.

benni said:

morningsong said:

All I know, is we don't know what prompted an emergency on Wednesday that wasn't seen as an emergency those first days when he got back to PP after Moline. He doesn't look to have physically collasped, he seemed to be going about his day on his own "steam". But something changed that day.

After the plane incident, they were still trying to figure out what to do. They finally contacted a lawyer that Prince had worked with previously, to get her assistance. I'm sure that leading up to contacting the lawyer, they had to talk with Prince to discuss with him the need for help in dealing with his dependence. People still have the right for self-determination, to decide whether they want or need help. The only way they could have forced the issue would have been to prove that he was a threat to himself or others. I have tried to get adult protective services involved with individual cases in which I felt an adult was at risk due to drugs or alcohol, and they decline by stating, "It's a life style choice." They will not get involved in such cases. A judge would probably have thrown out a case in which they tried to prove Prince was a threat to himself, for the very same reason. "It's a life style choice." It wasn't that there was a greater emergency on Wednesday, but more like the fact of trying to convince Prince to get help.

From my understanding emergency calls went out those last 2 days, not starting with the day he got back home. Sounds strange that it would take 6 days to find this one doctor to a point that he felt he needed to do a red-eye flight. It's not like there aren't a host of things available for celebrities battling addiction/dependency issues. I'm sure he would be a few peoples "rolodex". It's been said a ton of times Betty Ford was just down the street, I'm sure they had doctors who knew doctors but there was something specific about this doctor that made him ideal. I'm more than sure Prince was more in damage control mode in those first few days since technically this is the first time any thing like that went public, and so many people were on him, figuratively, like white on rice wanting to help. So yeah, it would have taken time to convince him, but adding everything, including the impromptu doctor visit to a doctor he had just visited a couple of weeks earlier opens a few other possible scenerios, like he really wasn't that hard to convince at this point he needed help.

OperatingThetan said:

purplegirl00 said:

Exactly. He tried it a week earlier with a different drug and the Narcan brought him back.

If Prince chose to intentionally overdose why would he do so on a plane with at least two other people present? Why not wait and just administer the dose at home in privacy?

Disclaimer: the following is not about Prince but is loosely based on conversations I have witnessed.
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A woman is in significant, long-standing, chronic pain. Her underlying condition is, sadly, incurable.
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She has mooted the idea of suicide using pills. However, her main concern is their not working properly (ie as a suicide aid) and leaving her even more incapacitated than she is already. She wants to be absolutely certain they will work and result in a painless demise.
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She decides to experiment. She will try out the chosen pills amongst people she knows will have her resuscitated (she may not tell them of her plans, but she trusts them enough to know they'll look after her).
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The result is that she finds they worked very well. So well that 2 shots of Narcan are required to revive her. If, the second time, she uses an even higher dose - alone - then they're bound to have the desired effect.
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No resuscitation; no disabling after-effects. Sorted.

Dibblekins said:

OperatingThetan said:

purplegirl00 said: If Prince chose to intentionally overdose why would he do so on a plane with at least two other people present? Why not wait and just administer the dose at home in privacy?

Disclaimer: the following is not about Prince but is loosely based on conversations I have witnessed.
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A woman is in significant, long-standing, chronic pain. Her underlying condition is, sadly, incurable.
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She has mooted the idea of suicide using pills. However, her main concern is their not working properly (ie as a suicide aid) and leaving her even more incapacitated than she is already. She wants to be absolutely certain they will work and result in a painless demise.
.
She decides to experiment. She will try out the chosen pills amongst people she knows will have her resuscitated (she may not tell them of her plans, but she trusts them enough to know they'll look after her).
.
The result is that she finds they worked very well. So well that 2 shots of Narcan are required to revive her. If, the second time, she uses an even higher dose - alone - then they're bound to have the desired effect.
.
No resuscitation; no disabling after-effects. Sorted.

Did she buy 100 of them?

morningsong said:

Dibblekins said:

Disclaimer: the following is not about Prince but is loosely based on conversations I have witnessed.
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A woman is in significant, long-standing, chronic pain. Her underlying condition is, sadly, incurable.
.
She has mooted the idea of suicide using pills. However, her main concern is their not working properly (ie as a suicide aid) and leaving her even more incapacitated than she is already. She wants to be absolutely certain they will work and result in a painless demise.
.
She decides to experiment. She will try out the chosen pills amongst people she knows will have her resuscitated (she may not tell them of her plans, but she trusts them enough to know they'll look after her).
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The result is that she finds they worked very well. So well that 2 shots of Narcan are required to revive her. If, the second time, she uses an even higher dose - alone - then they're bound to have the desired effect.
.
No resuscitation; no disabling after-effects. Sorted.

Did she buy 100 of them?

Not a clue. Not even sure it got to that point. But it's certainly something people have pondered, particularly those who have a real need to be in total control of everything that involves them.

Dibblekins said:

OperatingThetan said:

purplegirl00 said: If Prince chose to intentionally overdose why would he do so on a plane with at least two other people present? Why not wait and just administer the dose at home in privacy?

Disclaimer: the following is not about Prince but is loosely based on conversations I have witnessed.
.
A woman is in significant, long-standing, chronic pain. Her underlying condition is, sadly, incurable.
.
She has mooted the idea of suicide using pills. However, her main concern is their not working properly (ie as a suicide aid) and leaving her even more incapacitated than she is already. She wants to be absolutely certain they will work and result in a painless demise.
.
She decides to experiment. She will try out the chosen pills amongst people she knows will have her resuscitated (she may not tell them of her plans, but she trusts them enough to know they'll look after her).
.
The result is that she finds they worked very well. So well that 2 shots of Narcan are required to revive her. If, the second time, she uses an even higher dose - alone - then they're bound to have the desired effect.
.
No resuscitation; no disabling after-effects. Sorted.

This.

morningsong said:

benni said:

After the plane incident, they were still trying to figure out what to do. They finally contacted a lawyer that Prince had worked with previously, to get her assistance. I'm sure that leading up to contacting the lawyer, they had to talk with Prince to discuss with him the need for help in dealing with his dependence. People still have the right for self-determination, to decide whether they want or need help. The only way they could have forced the issue would have been to prove that he was a threat to himself or others. I have tried to get adult protective services involved with individual cases in which I felt an adult was at risk due to drugs or alcohol, and they decline by stating, "It's a life style choice." They will not get involved in such cases. A judge would probably have thrown out a case in which they tried to prove Prince was a threat to himself, for the very same reason. "It's a life style choice." It wasn't that there was a greater emergency on Wednesday, but more like the fact of trying to convince Prince to get help.

From my understanding emergency calls went out those last 2 days, not starting with the day he got back home. Sounds strange that it would take 6 days to find this one doctor to a point that he felt he needed to do a red-eye flight. It's not like there aren't a host of things available for celebrities battling addiction/dependency issues. I'm sure he would be a few peoples "rolodex". It's been said a ton of times Betty Ford was just down the street, I'm sure they had doctors who knew doctors but there was something specific about this doctor that made him ideal. I'm more than sure Prince was more in damage control mode in those first few days since technically this is the first time any thing like that went public, and so many people were on him, figuratively, like white on rice wanting to help. So yeah, it would have taken time to convince him, but adding everything, including the impromptu doctor visit to a doctor he had just visited a couple of weeks earlier opens a few other possible scenerios, like he really wasn't that hard to convince at this point he needed help.

I'm not arguing that the calls went out later in the week, rather than right after the plane incident. However, as I stated, they were probably trying to figure out what to do, how to approach Prince, how to convince him to get help. Only 5 days passed, and that is a reasonable time frame for working out the logistics, finding a place that Prince would agree to, and figuring out how to approach Prince. This is not something they would just come right out and say, "You need help," because in that situation he might balk about receiving help. What people seem to forget is it was the early morning hours of 4/15 when the airplane incident happened. The concert was on 4/14, but the last concert didn't get over until 11:30/12:00. I don't know that it is specified when they actually called the lawyer to get her assistance with finding a place, or in talking with Prince, but we do know that Dr. Kornfeld was called on 4/20.

Prince, more than likely, didn't want to attend a clinic close to home because he would probably have felt like these are his neighbors, people who live close to him, or around his home, that work there, and that would be too much of a privacy thing for Prince. A place further away would appeal to him so that neighbors, people in his community, would not know there was an issue.

Also Dr. Kornfeld's center is not traditional in-patient clinic, like Hazelden in Minnesota, and it's not based (from what I can tell) on group therapy sessions (it seems 1:1 oriented). Perhaps those characteristics were more palatable to Prince.

benni said:

morningsong said:

From my understanding emergency calls went out those last 2 days, not starting with the day he got back home. Sounds strange that it would take 6 days to find this one doctor to a point that he felt he needed to do a red-eye flight. It's not like there aren't a host of things available for celebrities battling addiction/dependency issues. I'm sure he would be a few peoples "rolodex". It's been said a ton of times Betty Ford was just down the street, I'm sure they had doctors who knew doctors but there was something specific about this doctor that made him ideal. I'm more than sure Prince was more in damage control mode in those first few days since technically this is the first time any thing like that went public, and so many people were on him, figuratively, like white on rice wanting to help. So yeah, it would have taken time to convince him, but adding everything, including the impromptu doctor visit to a doctor he had just visited a couple of weeks earlier opens a few other possible scenerios, like he really wasn't that hard to convince at this point he needed help.

I'm not arguing that the calls went out later in the week, rather than right after the plane incident. However, as I stated, they were probably trying to figure out what to do, how to approach Prince, how to convince him to get help. Only 5 days passed, and that is a reasonable time frame for working out the logistics, finding a place that Prince would agree to, and figuring out how to approach Prince. This is not something they would just come right out and say, "You need help," because in that situation he might balk about receiving help. What people seem to forget is it was the early morning hours of 4/15 when the airplane incident happened. The concert was on 4/14, but the last concert didn't get over until 11:30/12:00. I don't know that it is specified when they actually called the lawyer to get her assistance with finding a place, or in talking with Prince, but we do know that Dr. Kornfeld was called on 4/20.

Prince, more than likely, didn't want to attend a clinic close to home because he would probably have felt like these are his neighbors, people who live close to him, or around his home, that work there, and that would be too much of a privacy thing for Prince. A place further away would appeal to him so that neighbors, people in his community, would not know there was an issue.

I feel Kirk started an "intervention" on Prince right after that Moline incident(like later that day going into that Saturday). Because Prince thanked Kirk at his last public appearance at PP and called and referred to him as "Dr.KIRK"!

ThatWhiteDude said:

PeteSilas said:

because, i think it's a bit too coincidental, prince had never od'd like that, and to do the same thing a few days later not because he took too much but because he "got a bad pill by happenstance" doesn't make sense. Maybe if took the same thing the week before but if he'd done that, wouldn't he see that they were bad and get another stash? whole thing stinks to high heaven, some of the fans don't wanna know and that's cool with me, you know, the whole "ignorance is bliss" thing. but I ain't happy with it.

I already told in another thread, that it is not uncommon to OD twice within a week without being suicidal, your body is still weak after the first one. I've seen it in a documentary and there was a guy who OD'd twice within six days on Fentanyl. He didn't try to kill himself, he just didn't think it would happen again, but he needed it. Just like Prince needed his pills (not fentanyl, since he didn't know that they contained fentanyl) for pain management and he recognized that he had a problem, he wanted to get help, but I guess he didn't realize HOW serious it really was.

[Edited 4/2/18 6:49am]

i've heard all about the narcan wiping out the persons opiate tolerance, I'm sure prince was warned too. we aren't talking about some junkie no one cared about, with nothing to live for who has shown self-destructive tendencies for years. I've known people like that, even death couldn't stop them from doing what they wanted, my sister was a drunk, nothing could stop her, even telling her she'd die if she drank again. didn't matter, she made it one time and a nurse told her "she was lucky she didn't die that time" didn't matter, my sister didn't care, didn't want to live. that's damned near suicide anyway. I just can't picture prince being in that condition, i wasn't there, and i want to know more so i can put it to rest in my own mind. I mentioned bret favre quitting cold turkey a few pages back, well, i always thought of Prince as the kind of man who could do things most men couldn't, whether it was lack of sleep, food, overcoming the impossible (as he told morris hayes "we don't do impossible around here we figure out how to get it done") I just couldn't see something like that getting the better of him. And as i stated, i don't really know of times when doctors have baldfaced lied about shit for reasons advanced of their own or of others put to them.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I feel Kirk started an "intervention" on Prince right after that Moline incident(like later that day going into that Saturday). Because Prince thanked Kirk at his last public appearance at PP and called and referred to him as "Dr.KIRK"!

that's interesting, a lot of people think of him more as prince's dr. feelgood.

here is brett favre giving his story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RMJIV3o6uI

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PeteSilas said: But what would be the purpose of lying though? And the way the media works a suicide story would catch more headlines and publicity than a accidental O.D

the media hasn't made much out of it, maybe it just isn't that newsworthy. Enquirer tried to get mileage out of the aids angle, I think a few mags tried to sell the suicide angle but none of it really lasted that long. I think it's going to kinda be up to us to figure things out, by "us" i mean the fans. the family can't be relied on, I don't think we're getting the truth. I also mentioned before, how Elvis' fans raised holy hell over how they tried to pass of his death as just a "heart attack" they knew the shit was rotten, and although the cause of death very well may have been a heart attack, they didn't stop pushing until they had the info we have today. Elvis' autopsy results are still sealed but I think it's safe to say we know enough to say that his lifestyle, his diet, his pill popping all cut his life short. no pills/cholesterol, no heart attack so thus, most people blame the pills, as it should be. Problem with Prince fans is we don't got that kind of love, no we don't, i do but most of us don't so we just don't have that level of outrage. I'm still pissed, baffled, confused.

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I concur. What bothers me is that the family is not disputing any of these stories/allegations, and why is that? Enquirer and other tabloids said a "source" gave them this info, but whom?? The Enquirer said that the AIDS story came straight from Tyka, and she never gave any public statement disputing that story. It's very suspicious, to say the least.

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All the family has to say is that these stories are false, but they have not done so.

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Was it AIDS?

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Was it Cancer?

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Was it Accidental Overdose?

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Was it Suicide?

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Was Prince a long time prescription drug abuser?

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If it was my loved one, I would have absolutely no problem in answering. As my Mother used to say "Nip it in the bud", and be done with it!!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

the media hasn't made much out of it, maybe it just isn't that newsworthy. Enquirer tried to get mileage out of the aids angle, I think a few mags tried to sell the suicide angle but none of it really lasted that long. I think it's going to kinda be up to us to figure things out, by "us" i mean the fans. the family can't be relied on, I don't think we're getting the truth. I also mentioned before, how Elvis' fans raised holy hell over how they tried to pass of his death as just a "heart attack" they knew the shit was rotten, and although the cause of death very well may have been a heart attack, they didn't stop pushing until they had the info we have today. Elvis' autopsy results are still sealed but I think it's safe to say we know enough to say that his lifestyle, his diet, his pill popping all cut his life short. no pills/cholesterol, no heart attack so thus, most people blame the pills, as it should be. Problem with Prince fans is we don't got that kind of love, no we don't, i do but most of us don't so we just don't have that level of outrage. I'm still pissed, baffled, confused.

SO FUCKING TRUE. If the 'fams' were marching at PP every damn week instead of buying Love Symbol T-shirts we would know MUCH more than we know now. AND, if the heirs were also truly in the dark, THEY could have spearheaded efforts for an on-going public outcry. Either they know exactly how/why he died and don't give a damn about the rampant speculation...or they don't give a rats' ass and just want 'their' money.

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1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

SO FUCKING TRUE. If the 'fams' were marching at PP every damn week instead of buying Love Symbol T-shirts we would know MUCH more than we know now. AND, if the heirs were also truly in the dark, THEY could have spearheaded efforts for an on-going public outcry. Either they know exactly how/why he died and don't give a damn about the rampant speculation...or they don't give a rats' ass and just want 'their' money.

That's what I've been thinking. I am sick of reading on FB and other places about the "Celebration" and all of the activities at PP and in Minneapolis. Where is the outrage about not knowing the truth? I believe SNJ wants money and pronto. The other three? They want it, too, but aren't being as public in their desire for cold, hard cash. All of them want to cash out and leave him behind.

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Yea, and that Celebration they are planning on the anniversary of Prince's death does not sit well with me at all.

rogifan said:

Does someone have a link to the interview where the chefs allegedly said Prince told them he was watching them. Give us a link to an actual quote (not second hand).

http://www.etonline.com/n...or_him?amp

"Once, there was a smudge on the outside of a package in which he had left an overnight meal. When he arrived to work the next day, Prince was in the kitchen waiting. He pointed at the smudge, and simply gave Ray the two-fingers-to-the-eyes 'I'm watching you' gesture."

rogifan said:

I think it was PEL who reached out to Dr K (as per this article -- benni might just have got it slightly wrong when she referred to her as P's lawyer rather than business associate).

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But she has never confirmed that herself; besides who was mentioned in the warrant (i.e., Dr S), we don't know the specific people who were involved in whatever was going on with Prince's last week. There was that call that was allegedly placed at 6am to an NYC associate, but it's never been revealed who that was either.

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Barring a criminal/civil case that reveals them, we'll likely never know these details. I don't think the people involved are looking to discuss this publicly.

zenarose said:

benni said:

After the plane incident, they were still trying to figure out what to do. They finally contacted a lawyer that Prince had worked with previously, to get her assistance. I'm sure that leading up to contacting the lawyer, they had to talk with Prince to discuss with him the need for help in dealing with his dependence. People still have the right for self-determination, to decide whether they want or need help. The only way they could have forced the issue would have been to prove that he was a threat to himself or others. I have tried to get adult protective services involved with individual cases in which I felt an adult was at risk due to drugs or alcohol, and they decline by stating, "It's a life style choice." They will not get involved in such cases. A judge would probably have thrown out a case in which they tried to prove Prince was a threat to himself, for the very same reason. "It's a life style choice." It wasn't that there was a greater emergency on Wednesday, but more like the fact of trying to convince Prince to get help.

If Prince's lawyer was contacted, that would have to have been Rhonda Trotter, as she is the one that represented him when he re-signed with WB. Phaedra Ellis-Lampkins is not an attorney, but some media reports stated that PEL was the contact on April 20th at approximately 6am, and that she (PEL) contacted Dr K. Just another inconsistency.....???? 😱

voph said:

The media is not getting involved because they are corrupt. Let me break it down for you. Prince was fighting with the industry mafia Warner Brothers Records for years and wrote Slave on his face, told other artists not to sign contracts and stay independent, talked about chem trails, and gave us other knowledge that the powers that be don’t want us to know. Basically he had a big target on his back and he was getting death threats which the so called media left out. Prince beat them and they didn’t like that because the Industry wants to own the artists to profit from them forever. Time warner owns TMZ, CNN, Warner Brothers Records and more. Wow, are you with me now. Wake up people, you know damn well Prince did not die of any accidental overdose. Planted Pills at Paisley Park, fake intervention doctor, cameras tampered with at Paisley Park and the real kicker is his chefs who prepared Prince’s food validated what Abigail Noel said. She said Prince did not know why he was sick for 2 years. He had all the signs and symptoms of arsenic poisoning. She said Prince asked for juices because he had a hard time swallowing due to being poisoned. She also said the chefs made him a meal which Prince did not eat but he drank the pineapple drink that they dosed with the Fentanyl. She said they put it in the pineapples in liquid form by using syringes. The chefs did a interview a few days after Prince died and confirmed what Abigail said. They said they made Prince juice drinks because it was hard for him to swallow and the first thing they did when they were allowed into Paisley Park was, they checked the refrigerator to see if Prince ate his food. The man just died and all they are concerned with is did he eat and Abigail said they put that food down the garbage disposal to get rid of the evidence because his meal was poisoned. Paisley Park should have been shut down and treated like a crime scene with no one allowed in for a few weeks. That’s just some of the things Abigail said. [Edited 4/1/18 14:59pm] [Edited 4/1/18 15:01pm] [Edited 4/1/18 15:10pm]

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And, Prince was tweeting about WB PR Remaster and he was upset about it. The media cherry picks what they want the public to know. Adonis said Prince got 4 threatening phone calls, back-to-back, and Prince shrugged it off.

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Prince's Chef said that he was giving Prince juices because he only wanted to put healthy foods into his body.

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If the authorities had a suspicious of arsenic poisoning, it would not be hard to find traces of that in the kitchen area.

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I have said all-along that PP should have been closed-off to anyone on April 21st, but it wasn't. The crime scene was contaminated and things were touched and moved.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rogifan said:

Does someone have a link to the interview where the chefs allegedly said Prince told them he was watching them. Give us a link to an actual quote (not second hand).

http://www.etonline.com/n...or_him?amp

"Once, there was a smudge on the outside of a package in which he had left an overnight meal. When he arrived to work the next day, Prince was in the kitchen waiting. He pointed at the smudge, and simply gave Ray the two-fingers-to-the-eyes 'I'm watching you' gesture."

That does not mean anything. The chef was telling a funny story.

disch said:

zenarose said:

rogifan said:

Does someone have a link to the interview where the chefs allegedly said Prince told them he was watching them. Give us a link to an actual quote (not second hand).

HTTP://www.citypages.com/fs8238997

you guys are reading that all wrong, prince did the thing deniro did in meet the parents he said "ray..." and put his fingers up to his eyes, to me it sounded like prince, but a more mellow prince and one that i'd laugh at if it happened to me, nothing nefarious. Prince liked to micromanage, and when you micromanage, you do it to keep people in line because you can't really watch them all the time, so you emphasize small things like grease on the package to bust their balls over. It came out of european miltary training and it infiltrated everything and everyone else.

disch said:

I think it was PEL who reached out to Dr K (as per this article -- benni might just have got it slightly wrong when she referred to her as P's lawyer rather than business associate).

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But she has never confirmed that herself; besides who was mentioned in the warrant (i.e., Dr S), we don't know the specific people who were involved in whatever was going on with Prince's last week. There was that call that was allegedly placed at 6am to an NYC associate, but it's never been revealed who that was either.

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Barring a criminal/civil case that reveals them, we'll likely never know these details. I don't think the people involved are looking to discuss this publicly.

zenarose said:

benni said: If Prince's lawyer was contacted, that would have to have been Rhonda Trotter, as she is the one that represented him when he re-signed with WB. Phaedra Ellis-Lampkins is not an attorney, but some media reports stated that PEL was the contact on April 20th at approximately 6am, and that she (PEL) contacted Dr K. Just another inconsistency.....???? 😱

That was her! She was an activist, not a lawyer. Where I got it confused is that she is a close associate with Van Jones (who is a trained laywer per the article you linked).

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

the media hasn't made much out of it, maybe it just isn't that newsworthy. Enquirer tried to get mileage out of the aids angle, I think a few mags tried to sell the suicide angle but none of it really lasted that long. I think it's going to kinda be up to us to figure things out, by "us" i mean the fans. the family can't be relied on, I don't think we're getting the truth. I also mentioned before, how Elvis' fans raised holy hell over how they tried to pass of his death as just a "heart attack" they knew the shit was rotten, and although the cause of death very well may have been a heart attack, they didn't stop pushing until they had the info we have today. Elvis' autopsy results are still sealed but I think it's safe to say we know enough to say that his lifestyle, his diet, his pill popping all cut his life short. no pills/cholesterol, no heart attack so thus, most people blame the pills, as it should be. Problem with Prince fans is we don't got that kind of love, no we don't, i do but most of us don't so we just don't have that level of outrage. I'm still pissed, baffled, confused.

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I concur. What bothers me is that the family is not disputing any of these stories/allegations, and why is that? Enquirer and other tabloids said a "source" gave them this info, but whom?? The Enquirer said that the AIDS story came straight from Tyka, and she never gave any public statement disputing that story. It's very suspicious, to say the least.

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All the family has to say is that these stories are false, but they have not done so.

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Was it AIDS?

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Was it Cancer?

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Was it Accidental Overdose?

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Was it Suicide?

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Was Prince a long time prescription drug abuser?

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If it was my loved one, I would have absolutely no problem in answering. As my Mother used to say "Nip it in the bud", and be done with it!!

the enquirer said tyka fed them the aids story? any source to that? i hadn't caught that.

purplefam99 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Exactly!

I've also read several interviews by the Chef's(there were two)and they came off as very nice,humble, and compassionate people that had Prince's best interest at heart. He had NOTHING to worry about with them.

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I read one where the chefs said that one time the container of food they left For P had a greasy thumb print left on it and P didn’t like that and Called it to the chefs attention the next day and the chef said that P said to them “I’m watching you” or something of that nature. It was an interview someone did with the chefs right after he passed. Who are these chefs?? Do we know? I never thought about the poisoning angle until catching up here today. There have been crazier “Lifetime channel” scenarios. Who the heck knows really??

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Yes, I remember reading that story somewhere. That same article also said that Prince was not very happy with his Chef's, Ray Roberts and his wife (can't recall her name). The Chef also stated that Prince was not feeling well for several "months" before his passing.