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Reply #1260 posted 03/05/18 4:07pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

Who said he wanted to die in the ekavator maybe he just collapsed at that location. The whole elevator thing has been blown out of proportion from day one.

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Nobody knows how it happened or why he was in the elevator. There are theories out there that Prince was placed in that elevator. For all we know, he could have died at another location and put in the elevator. Was Prince all alone on April 20th? Did he let someone in who he thought he could trust?

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Reply #1261 posted 03/05/18 4:09pm

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disch said:

So what exactly do we actually know about the whole security-camera situation? It seems that we actually have very few facts the use of cameras at PP, both in the past and at the time of Prince's death. Basically all we have is Charles' claim some unknown number/location of cameras were removed/turned off, at some unknown point in time?

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No warrant mentioned anything about the police seeking or accessing records from companies in the area (or anywhere) relating to PP security systems.

laurarichardson said:

Why duck from cameras when you can just turn them off or have them removed. This is Prince we are talking about this guy never did anything halfway. We know from the search warrants that no footage exist. This can only be because the cameras were turned off, malfunctioning or removed. Charles did not say when they were removed but I’m sure the police know this information. If the cameras were removed how many companies in the area would do that sort of work. disch said:

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Exactly! And, just because the warrants did not say anything about security camera's does not really tell us if there were removed or turned-off. We have no proof of any of that.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #1262 posted 03/05/18 4:11pm

PennyPurple

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cloveringold85 said:


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He could have just used a can of black spray paint or threw a towel over it or something........I'm just joking, of course. lol

lol

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Reply #1263 posted 03/05/18 4:13pm

cloveringold85

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mikeyaddict said:

PeteSilas said:

at some level, we all know what we do. I've known a lot of addicts and they know at some level what they are doing and really, only they can stop themselves. Elvis has the rep of being a weak willed hick but it was never true in my opinion, Mj either, you don't accomplish that much not being a strong person. Or rather, there has to be something strong in them, they may have been weak in certain ways as all people are.

as far as the icon on prince's twitter, it seems a little too coincidental to change it from what it was to the sunglasses off and a teardrop. who would have time to do graphic work like that when the guy was dead? It must have been prepped. And yes, i know what the third eye signifies.

I think the twitter avatar is the wrong direction. That artwork was created by Martin H / Red fox bandit and had been around for a while - and used to promote 3rdeyegirl shows iirc. The one with a tear P requested to put up because he was showing his sadness at missing the shows in Georgia. And that would take a couple of emails to hook up. But the art had been around well before he left us. This was for a gig in 2015 - https://twitter.com/redfo...11616?s=12 - he did a lot of work for P. Some truly stunning images of you scroll down his media in Twitter. [Edited 3/5/18 12:11pm]

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Thanks for sharing that. Prince started doing that 3rd-eye thing back in 2013-14, so it wasn't anything he had just started doing, and I don't think he did it to signify that he was leaving this planet, imo.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #1264 posted 03/05/18 4:16pm

cloveringold85

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PeteSilas said:

mikeyaddict said:

PeteSilas said: I think the twitter avatar is the wrong direction. That artwork was created by Martin H / Red fox bandit and had been around for a while - and used to promote 3rdeyegirl shows iirc. The one with a tear P requested to put up because he was showing his sadness at missing the shows in Georgia. And that would take a couple of emails to hook up. But the art had been around well before he left us. This was for a gig in 2015 - https://twitter.com/redfo...11616?s=12 - he did a lot of work for P. Some truly stunning images of you scroll down his media in Twitter. [Edited 3/5/18 12:11pm]

how long had the tear drop icon been up before his death? I heard it was changed shortly before. i guess you could be right, first time i heard it. however, in listening to his oakland show, he says something not a lot of people picked up on during his song Paisley Park, when he invites people to come see him, but not during the winter. I dunno, it sounded like he knew his final resting place and he was telling it in true Prince fashion to me, it had a melancholy vibe to it.

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Yea, he did say something about 'next time I see you, it will be at PP'. Kind a weird. eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #1265 posted 03/05/18 4:19pm

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Vannormal said:

Damn.

:-O

The crap and bullshit one can read here is sometimes better than television.

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I love the need of most people to believe in some kind of conspiracy, looking always for someone or something to blame besides Prince.

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The fact that so many official investigations were needed to get that much wanted purple money spread amongst a bunch of non musicians calling themselves family, tells more truth than anything else.

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And then some fans that prefer to hear and believe Prince got murdered...

You know, it's so much easier to blame others when not being involved.

Prince is as dead as fuck and nothing is going to change that.

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Worse, the more unnecesarry blah-blah is spend and spread, the less music we will receive.

Thát's what I'm afraid of.

So basically all that we want is just more music.

Let the rest be unimportant, and let him RIP, and keep his music alive.

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Wow, that was harsh. eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #1266 posted 03/05/18 4:26pm

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Vannormal said:

Damn.

:-O

The crap and bullshit one can read here is sometimes better than television.

biggrin

I love the need of most people to believe in some kind of conspiracy, looking always for someone or something to blame besides Prince.

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The fact that so many official investigations were needed to get that much wanted purple money spread amongst a bunch of non musicians calling themselves family, tells more truth than anything else.

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And then some fans that prefer to hear and believe Prince got murdered...

You know, it's so much easier to blame others when not being involved.

Prince is as dead as fuck and nothing is going to change that.

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Worse, the more unnecesarry blah-blah is spend and spread, the less music we will receive.

Thát's what I'm afraid of.

So basically all that we want is just more music.

Let the rest be unimportant, and let him RIP, and keep his music alive.


This is why I don't bother too much with tv drama, soaps. Threads like these are so much more entertaining. smile


Like, ever watched Death in Paradise? Just makes me want to switch off the TV and go on a trip to Jaaa-maaai-caaa, or wherever it is.


NOW, back to that missing camera footage. Did ANY of those search warrants specifically say "NO footage was found"? Because in the absence of any mention, it would imply one of two things. Either, footage was found but of no consequence to the investigation. Or, they simply didn't go as far as to obtain the footage. Again, no consequence to the investigation. And we have yet to hear anything on the final income of the investigation. Soooooo...


Which search warrant, disclosed, mentions 'No footage found'? hmmm

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Reply #1267 posted 03/05/18 4:31pm

fortuneandsere
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cloveringold85 said:

Vannormal said:

Damn.

:-O

The crap and bullshit one can read here is sometimes better than television.

biggrin

I love the need of most people to believe in some kind of conspiracy, looking always for someone or something to blame besides Prince.

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The fact that so many official investigations were needed to get that much wanted purple money spread amongst a bunch of non musicians calling themselves family, tells more truth than anything else.

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And then some fans that prefer to hear and believe Prince got murdered...

You know, it's so much easier to blame others when not being involved.

Prince is as dead as fuck and nothing is going to change that.

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Worse, the more unnecesarry blah-blah is spend and spread, the less music we will receive.

Thát's what I'm afraid of.

So basically all that we want is just more music.

Let the rest be unimportant, and let him RIP, and keep his music alive.

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Wow, that was harsh. eek


Not exactly. He could have mentioned the possibility some folk on here are strongly medicated. I for one have a hard time reconciling some of the views with the fact they're coming from Prince fans.

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Reply #1268 posted 03/05/18 4:35pm

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cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

So what exactly do we actually know about the whole security-camera situation? It seems that we actually have very few facts the use of cameras at PP, both in the past and at the time of Prince's death. Basically all we have is Charles' claim some unknown number/location of cameras were removed/turned off, at some unknown point in time?

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No warrant mentioned anything about the police seeking or accessing records from companies in the area (or anywhere) relating to PP security systems.

[Edited 3/5/18 7:43am]

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Exactly! And, just because the warrants did not say anything about security camera's does not really tell us if there were removed or turned-off. We have no proof of any of that.


Err like the idea 'absence of evidence = evidence of absence' you mean? Yeah, I know who thinks that biggrin

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Reply #1269 posted 03/05/18 5:05pm

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Re: Cameras at Paisley Park,
I do not believe that the camera system was disabled. Please don't shoot me, just hear me out. I can speak from an asset protection perspective. Logically speaking, there could have been let's say 130 + cameras inside PP. A "home/business" with all the valuables, equipment, gold bricks, ect, would be heavily insured and protected by security, private company or owner hired. By security, I mean a guard. Also, there could be a private company (outside) to monitor alarms fire and burglar. There could have been a CCTV operator on premises to operate the camera system and to monitor activity inside and outside. I'm pretty sure there was probably a camera room. It's pretty simple. There would be TV monitors and there would be x amount of cameras per monitor. There would probably be a mix of Stationary and PTZ (Pan,tilt,zoom) cameras. They can be programmed to record and retain video for up to 90 days. Now my point is that PP was more likely than not, heavily secured. With Prince being out on tour,ect common sense tells you that there was protection. The CCSO wouldn't need a search warrant to view video "inside" PP only if they removed it. It is possible that the Feds included any video in their search warrant they executed mid May 2016. We don't have access to the Federal warrants or information on their investigation.
Law Enforcement doesn't have to disclose information or tell the truth. For all anyone knows, there is video but to protect that evidence or the risk of it being stolen,ect, and the media obtaining it, it is possible they lied. No way IMO, was the camera system turned off. Maybe some of the cams repositioned, but not off. Think about it.

hmmm hmmm hmmm
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Reply #1270 posted 03/05/18 5:13pm

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laurarichardson said:

It is in the search warrant that no security footage exist due to being turned off or removed at the end of the day he had no security.

Remember his security guards were given the week off.

eek confused !!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #1271 posted 03/05/18 7:22pm

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zenarose said:

Re: Cameras at Paisley Park, I do not believe that the camera system was disabled. Please don't shoot me, just hear me out. I can speak from an asset protection perspective. Logically speaking, there could have been let's say 130 + cameras inside PP. A "home/business" with all the valuables, equipment, gold bricks, ect, would be heavily insured and protected by security, private company or owner hired. By security, I mean a guard. Also, there could be a private company (outside) to monitor alarms fire and burglar. There could have been a CCTV operator on premises to operate the camera system and to monitor activity inside and outside. I'm pretty sure there was probably a camera room. It's pretty simple. There would be TV monitors and there would be x amount of cameras per monitor. There would probably be a mix of Stationary and PTZ (Pan,tilt,zoom) cameras. They can be programmed to record and retain video for up to 90 days. Now my point is that PP was more likely than not, heavily secured. With Prince being out on tour,ect common sense tells you that there was protection. The CCSO wouldn't need a search warrant to view video "inside" PP only if they removed it. It is possible that the Feds included any video in their search warrant they executed mid May 2016. We don't have access to the Federal warrants or information on their investigation. Law Enforcement doesn't have to disclose information or tell the truth. For all anyone knows, there is video but to protect that evidence or the risk of it being stolen,ect, and the media obtaining it, it is possible they lied. No way IMO, was the camera system turned off. Maybe some of the cams repositioned, but not off. Think about it. hmmm hmmm hmmm



lol Oh, I certainly have thought about it, have even mentioned it here, and thank you for weighing in on it too. There's much that I think has been withheld, this is one of those things. A great deal of misdirection.

Good to see you Zena, it's been awhile biggrin


Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #1272 posted 03/05/18 11:49pm

Rebeljuice

cloveringold85 said:

Sheriff Olson was asked about the security system at PP:

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QUESTION: Sheriff, were there surveillance cameras at Paisley Park and do you have them?

OLSON: That is -- that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now.

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Full Transcripts can be read here....

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http://transcripts.cnn.co...cg.01.html

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Hmmm........WHY didn't Sheriff Olson want to comment on the security system? He did not specifically say if the camera's were turned-off and/or removed. Hmmm.... hmmm

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Just seems to me that the Carver County Sheriff wanted to pick and choose which questions they wanted to answer. I know they could not disclose very much, because it was a new investigation, but they could have at least been able to answer very basic questions, imo. confused

that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now. This is just a standard answer due to him either not knowing the status of the cameras at this point or, he was just not willing to disclose any information about it right now. Lots of questions are met with that kind of stock answer, especially at the beginning of an investigation. Nothing sinister here.

As for the cameras themselves. i don't think they were removed. They are probably still there right now. They were obviously not working or turned off however.

The way I see it - Prince was not well leading up to his death. He complained to his chef about a stomach upset. He wasn't eating properly (he was very thin) and he cancelled the original Atlanta shows "due to flu". I think he was trying to self detox and the withdrawals were playing havoc with is body. If he was constantly ill, throwing up, in the toilet and generally struggling, I can see him turning the cameras off. Afterall, security and staff have access to the footage on a daily basis. If he is hiding his attempts at withdrawal, it makes sense to turn off the things that record everything everywhere.

I imagine there have been many occasions where he has turned off the cameras and sent staff home. Being on the pull comes to mind... So having the cameras switched off and sending staff away whilst in the middle of a struggle to withdraw from opioids makes sens to me.

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Reply #1273 posted 03/05/18 11:53pm

Rebeljuice

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

oh hell no, now i doubt the bp aids story completely. prince wouldn't need or ever let q produce shit and mj and pac are deader than dead. nice thought though.



That's how you know he wasn't talking about Prince.

As happy as I'd be to see him alive, I (and many others no doubt) would be furious at being put though the horrible grief process we've gone through for so long now. That would be cruel.

And also illigal I would imagine...

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Reply #1274 posted 03/05/18 11:56pm

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Mumio said:

zenarose said:

Re: Cameras at Paisley Park, I do not believe that the camera system was disabled. Please don't shoot me, just hear me out. I can speak from an asset protection perspective. Logically speaking, there could have been let's say 130 + cameras inside PP. A "home/business" with all the valuables, equipment, gold bricks, ect, would be heavily insured and protected by security, private company or owner hired. By security, I mean a guard. Also, there could be a private company (outside) to monitor alarms fire and burglar. There could have been a CCTV operator on premises to operate the camera system and to monitor activity inside and outside. I'm pretty sure there was probably a camera room. It's pretty simple. There would be TV monitors and there would be x amount of cameras per monitor. There would probably be a mix of Stationary and PTZ (Pan,tilt,zoom) cameras. They can be programmed to record and retain video for up to 90 days. Now my point is that PP was more likely than not, heavily secured. With Prince being out on tour,ect common sense tells you that there was protection. The CCSO wouldn't need a search warrant to view video "inside" PP only if they removed it. It is possible that the Feds included any video in their search warrant they executed mid May 2016. We don't have access to the Federal warrants or information on their investigation. Law Enforcement doesn't have to disclose information or tell the truth. For all anyone knows, there is video but to protect that evidence or the risk of it being stolen,ect, and the media obtaining it, it is possible they lied. No way IMO, was the camera system turned off. Maybe some of the cams repositioned, but not off. Think about it. hmmm hmmm hmmm



lol Oh, I certainly have thought about it, have even mentioned it here, and thank you for weighing in on it too. There's much that I think has been withheld, this is one of those things. A great deal of misdirection.

Good to see you Zena, it's been awhile biggrin


Come. On. !!!

PP having 130 Cameras ? Heavily insured and protected ? Really ?

I don't think so.

Yes it is somehow secured, and has possibly cameras here and there. But a 130 ??

Look. Prince lived there, and knowing he was an absolute control freak...

Common sence telling you it was heavily protected ? For someone not even having a will ?? serious ???

When he wasn't there, there was a 'paid' representative taking care of things in PP. That we know. And they were changed very often, and even got younger and younger.

Prince lived there. He needed a fuck from time to time and had some girls coming over too so I simply can imagine that he was able to shut off the cameras to prevent co-workers to know and see for what he did. Knowing that Prince was excellent with any kind of techniques. A true self taught studio rat.

And who says that everything was filmed ? When he was recording music, you think that all that was filmed ?

I did some homework, since there are many picturs of PP and inside PP to be found on the net, I only discovered 1 picture on the net having a camera in studio B or C. Check it out yourself.

Waw, that would be some shit for us wouldn't it. biggrin Seeing prince at work. Or cooking an omelet in his kitchen, or going in and out of his vault, taking a bath, getting dressed... No !

I work in a bigger busyness then PP and there are some cameras here (not 130!), but not all of them 'film'. Not everyone here at the office knows that. They mostly only work at night even. (My friend works in the busyness of protection and tells me often a lot about it. The bigger the company, the worse they are secured - sometimes)

It's simply very expensive to have a server up for thousands of hours of film, and the maintenace etc...

And Prince for sure had fences around PP being serveiled. That we can see on pics of PP etc.

But we also very much know he was in absolute control of everything, not trusting anyone. And possibly not even being able to control it all. Let alone organize it. Why I say this ? Think about 'no will', 'the vault' in absolute worse condition, PP even being bankrupt at some point in his carreer... willing to accept $ 1 million in advance in early 90s from his so much hated WB representatives so they could release The Black Album - making Prince able to pay for his expensive and badly run PP.

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I could be wrong though. But I don't believe he had it all filmed, surveiled or had things in good management.

All that happenend is simply a bunch of circumstances. Nothing new, nothing more. Just as life was in and around paisley park, except for him being secretive sick and mysterious as alwyays, and all that with Prince's ego on top.

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You know, you just alwayq live 'ahead' and plan things 'ahead'. His dead was unexpected. There are no signs to be found in whatever happepend previous to that. Period.

Now all this money spend on investigations and assumptions. What a waste. He sure fooled us all somehow. Think about it.

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Reply #1275 posted 03/05/18 11:58pm

Rebeljuice

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


Honestly eek . This is how religions start (myths not limited by history)

There is no security camera footage. It is does not if the cameras were on or removed. Someone made sure no footage would exist and this fact is not a myth.

There is no footage of the night in question. It does not mean the police have not been wading through hours and hours of footage prior to them being switched off/removed/broken. I am sure they have been through lots of footage to see who has been coming and going from PP for possibly months/years prior to April 21st...

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Reply #1276 posted 03/06/18 2:52am

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cloveringold85 said:



laurarichardson said:


cloveringold85 said:


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But.....If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.





Who said he wanted to die in the ekavator maybe he just collapsed at that location. The whole elevator thing has been blown out of proportion from day one.

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Nobody knows how it happened or why he was in the elevator. There are theories out there that Prince was placed in that elevator. For all we know, he could have died at another location and put in the elevator. Was Prince all alone on April 20th? Did he let someone in who he thought he could trust?




——The short report from the ME only noted the scars on legs. Nothing about other marks or bruises. They took swabs so I am sure the authorities have looked into the idea that someone else might have been in the building. Once again elevators are used to go from place to place. The whole elavator thing was blown out of proportion by the media from day one.
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Reply #1277 posted 03/06/18 2:54am

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Rebeljuice said:



laurarichardson said:


fortuneandserendipity said:



Honestly eek . This is how religions start (myths not limited by history)



There is no security camera footage. It is does not if the cameras were on or removed. Someone made sure no footage would exist and this fact is not a myth.

There is no footage of the night in question. It does not mean the police have not been wading through hours and hours of footage prior to them being switched off/removed/broken. I am sure they have been through lots of footage to see who has been coming and going from PP for possibly months/years prior to April 21st...


What footage before the 21st have to do with case. In addition if the cameras were removed what would make you think that any old footage would be left around?
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Reply #1278 posted 03/06/18 3:04am

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Vannormal said:



Mumio said:




zenarose said:


Re: Cameras at Paisley Park, I do not believe that the camera system was disabled. Please don't shoot me, just hear me out. I can speak from an asset protection perspective. Logically speaking, there could have been let's say 130 + cameras inside PP. A "home/business" with all the valuables, equipment, gold bricks, ect, would be heavily insured and protected by security, private company or owner hired. By security, I mean a guard. Also, there could be a private company (outside) to monitor alarms fire and burglar. There could have been a CCTV operator on premises to operate the camera system and to monitor activity inside and outside. I'm pretty sure there was probably a camera room. It's pretty simple. There would be TV monitors and there would be x amount of cameras per monitor. There would probably be a mix of Stationary and PTZ (Pan,tilt,zoom) cameras. They can be programmed to record and retain video for up to 90 days. Now my point is that PP was more likely than not, heavily secured. With Prince being out on tour,ect common sense tells you that there was protection. The CCSO wouldn't need a search warrant to view video "inside" PP only if they removed it. It is possible that the Feds included any video in their search warrant they executed mid May 2016. We don't have access to the Federal warrants or information on their investigation. Law Enforcement doesn't have to disclose information or tell the truth. For all anyone knows, there is video but to protect that evidence or the risk of it being stolen,ect, and the media obtaining it, it is possible they lied. No way IMO, was the camera system turned off. Maybe some of the cams repositioned, but not off. Think about it. hmmm hmmm hmmm



lol Oh, I certainly have thought about it, have even mentioned it here, and thank you for weighing in on it too. There's much that I think has been withheld, this is one of those things. A great deal of misdirection.

Good to see you Zena, it's been awhile biggrin




Come. On. !!!


PP having 130 Cameras ? Heavily insured and protected ? Really ?


I don't think so.


Yes it is somehow secured, and has possibly cameras here and there. But a 130 ??


Look. Prince lived there, and knowing he was an absolute control freak...


Common sence telling you it was heavily protected ? For someone not even having a will ?? serious ???


When he wasn't there, there was a 'paid' representative taking care of things in PP. That we know. And they were changed very often, and even got younger and younger.


Prince lived there. He needed a fuck from time to time and had some girls coming over too so I simply can imagine that he was able to shut off the cameras to prevent co-workers to know and see for what he did. Knowing that Prince was excellent with any kind of techniques. A true self taught studio rat.


And who says that everything was filmed ? When he was recording music, you think that all that was filmed ?


I did some homework, since there are many picturs of PP and inside PP to be found on the net, I only discovered 1 picture on the net having a camera in studio B or C. Check it out yourself.


Waw, that would be some shit for us wouldn't it. biggrin Seeing prince at work. Or cooking an omelet in his kitchen, or going in and out of his vault, taking a bath, getting dressed... No !


I work in a bigger busyness then PP and there are some cameras here (not 130!), but not all of them 'film'. Not everyone here at the office knows that. They mostly only work at night even. (My friend works in the busyness of protection and tells me often a lot about it. The bigger the company, the worse they are secured - sometimes)


It's simply very expensive to have a server up for thousands of hours of film, and the maintenace etc...


And Prince for sure had fences around PP being serveiled. That we can see on pics of PP etc.


But we also very much know he was in absolute control of everything, not trusting anyone. And possibly not even being able to control it all. Let alone organize it. Why I say this ? Think about 'no will', 'the vault' in absolute worse condition, PP even being bankrupt at some point in his carreer... willing to accept $ 1 million in advance in early 90s from his so much hated WB representatives so they could release The Black Album - making Prince able to pay for his expensive and badly run PP.


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I could be wrong though. But I don't believe he had it all filmed, surveiled or had things in good management.


All that happenend is simply a bunch of circumstances. Nothing new, nothing more. Just as life was in and around paisley park, except for him being secretive sick and mysterious as alwyays, and all that with Prince's ego on top.


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You know, you just alwayq live 'ahead' and plan things 'ahead'. His dead was unexpected. There are no signs to be found in whatever happepend previous to that. Period.


Now all this money spend on investigations and assumptions. What a waste. He sure fooled us all somehow. Think about it.


Prince had problems in the 90s but at the end of his life he had very little debt. The court records only show a few legit claims. With major claims occurring when Lonnie and Breamer came along. He was sitting on 40 million in cash and another 50 million in real estate. I am not sure what you mean by fooled by having medical issues and being human.

See what Morris Hayes has to say about what we did not know about Prince.

MH: The biggest one is what I call “Prince No. 5.” Prince was an extraordinarily giving type of person. A lot of people don’t realise how much he gave for people. They knew about the money, they knew about the girls, they knew about the music… all that stuff. One side they didn’t see, though, was how giving he was. He had his reasons, of course – he wanted to go about that side of things pretty quietly. He was so gracious about it, though – he was so supportive of his family, and all his band members. If we ever toured some place where one of us had grown up, he’d donate $100,000 to the school they went to. He’d never go public about it; never wanted to make a big deal about it. He cared so much about people – and for the longest time, it was off the record.
Read more at http://musicfeeds.com.au/...0m6LULL.99
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Rebeljuice said:



cloveringold85 said:


Sheriff Olson was asked about the security system at PP:


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QUESTION: Sheriff, were there surveillance cameras at Paisley Park and do you have them?

OLSON: That is -- that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now.


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Full Transcripts can be read here....


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http://transcripts.cnn.co...cg.01.html


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Hmmm.....WHY didn't Sheriff Olson want to comment on the security system? He did not specifically say if the camera's were turned-off and/or removed. Hmmm.... hmmm


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Just seems to me that the Carver County Sheriff wanted to pick and choose which questions they wanted to answer. I know they could not disclose very much, because it was a new investigation, but they could have at least been able to answer very basic questions, imo. confused





that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now. This is just a standard answer due to him either not knowing the status of the cameras at this point or, he was just not willing to disclose any information about it right now. Lots of questions are met with that kind of stock answer, especially at the beginning of an investigation. Nothing sinister here.

As for the cameras themselves. i don't think they were removed. They are probably still there right now. They were obviously not working or turned off however.

The way I see it - Prince was not well leading up to his death. He complained to his chef about a stomach upset. He wasn't eating properly (he was very thin) and he cancelled the original Atlanta shows "due to flu". I think he was trying to self detox and the withdrawals were playing havoc with is body. If he was constantly ill, throwing up, in the toilet and generally struggling, I can see him turning the cameras off. Afterall, security and staff have access to the footage on a daily basis. If he is hiding his attempts at withdrawal, it makes sense to turn off the things that record everything everywhere.

I imagine there have been many occasions where he has turned off the cameras and sent staff home. Being on the pull comes to mind... So having the cameras switched off and sending staff away whilst in the middle of a struggle to withdraw from opioids makes sens to me.


—-What If Charles is telling the truth and the cameras were removed? What do you think that would mean.
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Reply #1280 posted 03/06/18 6:09am

disch

Maybe the cameras were too much of a hassle or expense to maintain? Maybe they were old tech and weren't working well and were slated for replacement? Maybe they were broken and out for repair? Who knows? We have so little to go on with this (no info about where cameras were once located, when they were removed, if they were removed or just turned off, if deactivating them was unusual or something that happened routinely, all of that.).

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For every social-media rumor, we can spin all kinds of scenarios, some sinister conspiracies, some innocuous explanations. Without actual facts from reliable sources, though, I just don't see how such flights of imagination tell us anything about what actually transpired.

laurarichardson said:

Rebeljuice said:

that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now. This is just a standard answer due to him either not knowing the status of the cameras at this point or, he was just not willing to disclose any information about it right now. Lots of questions are met with that kind of stock answer, especially at the beginning of an investigation. Nothing sinister here.

As for the cameras themselves. i don't think they were removed. They are probably still there right now. They were obviously not working or turned off however.

The way I see it - Prince was not well leading up to his death. He complained to his chef about a stomach upset. He wasn't eating properly (he was very thin) and he cancelled the original Atlanta shows "due to flu". I think he was trying to self detox and the withdrawals were playing havoc with is body. If he was constantly ill, throwing up, in the toilet and generally struggling, I can see him turning the cameras off. Afterall, security and staff have access to the footage on a daily basis. If he is hiding his attempts at withdrawal, it makes sense to turn off the things that record everything everywhere.

I imagine there have been many occasions where he has turned off the cameras and sent staff home. Being on the pull comes to mind... So having the cameras switched off and sending staff away whilst in the middle of a struggle to withdraw from opioids makes sens to me.

—-What If Charles is telling the truth and the cameras were removed? What do you think that would mean.

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Reply #1281 posted 03/06/18 6:46am

zenarose

Vannormal said:



Mumio said:




zenarose said:


Re: Cameras at Paisley Park, I do not believe that the camera system was disabled. Please don't shoot me, just hear me out. I can speak from an asset protection perspective. Logically speaking, there could have been let's say 130 + cameras inside PP. A "home/business" with all the valuables, equipment, gold bricks, ect, would be heavily insured and protected by security, private company or owner hired. By security, I mean a guard. Also, there could be a private company (outside) to monitor alarms fire and burglar. There could have been a CCTV operator on premises to operate the camera system and to monitor activity inside and outside. I'm pretty sure there was probably a camera room. It's pretty simple. There would be TV monitors and there would be x amount of cameras per monitor. There would probably be a mix of Stationary and PTZ (Pan,tilt,zoom) cameras. They can be programmed to record and retain video for up to 90 days. Now my point is that PP was more likely than not, heavily secured. With Prince being out on tour,ect common sense tells you that there was protection. The CCSO wouldn't need a search warrant to view video "inside" PP only if they removed it. It is possible that the Feds included any video in their search warrant they executed mid May 2016. We don't have access to the Federal warrants or information on their investigation. Law Enforcement doesn't have to disclose information or tell the truth. For all anyone knows, there is video but to protect that evidence or the risk of it being stolen,ect, and the media obtaining it, it is possible they lied. No way IMO, was the camera system turned off. Maybe some of the cams repositioned, but not off. Think about it. hmmm hmmm hmmm



lol Oh, I certainly have thought about it, have even mentioned it here, and thank you for weighing in on it too. There's much that I think has been withheld, this is one of those things. A great deal of misdirection.

Good to see you Zena, it's been awhile biggrin




Come. On. !!!


PP having 130 Cameras ? Heavily insured and protected ? Really ?


I don't think so.


Yes it is somehow secured, and has possibly cameras here and there. But a 130 ??


Look. Prince lived there, and knowing he was an absolute control freak...


Common sence telling you it was heavily protected ? For someone not even having a will ?? serious ???


When he wasn't there, there was a 'paid' representative taking care of things in PP. That we know. And they were changed very often, and even got younger and younger.


Prince lived there. He needed a fuck from time to time and had some girls coming over too so I simply can imagine that he was able to shut off the cameras to prevent co-workers to know and see for what he did. Knowing that Prince was excellent with any kind of techniques. A true self taught studio rat.


And who says that everything was filmed ? When he was recording music, you think that all that was filmed ?


I did some homework, since there are many picturs of PP and inside PP to be found on the net, I only discovered 1 picture on the net having a camera in studio B or C. Check it out yourself.


Waw, that would be some shit for us wouldn't it. biggrin Seeing prince at work. Or cooking an omelet in his kitchen, or going in and out of his vault, taking a bath, getting dressed... No !


I work in a bigger busyness then PP and there are some cameras here (not 130!), but not all of them 'film'. Not everyone here at the office knows that. They mostly only work at night even. (My friend works in the busyness of protection and tells me often a lot about it. The bigger the company, the worse they are secured - sometimes)


It's simply very expensive to have a server up for thousands of hours of film, and the maintenace etc...


And Prince for sure had fences around PP being serveiled. That we can see on pics of PP etc.


But we also very much know he was in absolute control of everything, not trusting anyone. And possibly not even being able to control it all. Let alone organize it. Why I say this ? Think about 'no will', 'the vault' in absolute worse condition, PP even being bankrupt at some point in his carreer... willing to accept $ 1 million in advance in early 90s from his so much hated WB representatives so they could release The Black Album - making Prince able to pay for his expensive and badly run PP.


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I could be wrong though. But I don't believe he had it all filmed, surveiled or had things in good management.


All that happenend is simply a bunch of circumstances. Nothing new, nothing more. Just as life was in and around paisley park, except for him being secretive sick and mysterious as alwyays, and all that with Prince's ego on top.


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You know, you just alwayq live 'ahead' and plan things 'ahead'. His dead was unexpected. There are no signs to be found in whatever happepend previous to that. Period.


Now all this money spend on investigations and assumptions. What a waste. He sure fooled us all somehow. Think about it.






You must have misunderstood what I stated. I did not say that there were 130 cameras in PP. I stated that there could have been "130 + cameras". That is a fair and educated statement. I have over 30 years expertise in protecting assets and internal/external investigations. I have installed camera systems, from planning placement,running wire, CCTV set up and operation. I have trained many in this career field. Most business plan CCTV use on the consideration of size, risk factors due to the market area, and ROI. You are correct in saying that some businesses are either unprotected or don't have ample protection. PP is 65,000 SF.
The last store that I assisted with setting up CCTV was 88,432 SF. We installed 160 cameras some outside some inside. A mixture of still cams and Ptz's. The placement is normally all places of entry and high traffic areas. Areas that are out of the way such as garages, loading docks, hallways, areas where valuable items are stored, ect.
Heavily insured....IMO Yes! Especially with the public being allowed in for concerts,recording, working,ect. If someone had been injured while on the property, they could have sued and took him for everything he had.
The CCSO did say there was no video, but they didn't specify as to what there was no video of. You have to read between the lines and think about what they DON'T say. A CCTV system can be programmed to turn on/off certain cams at a certain time, for a period of time or to have them on at all times, and to record at certain times. And please remember, all cameras are not visible, some are covert ie pinhole cams can be concealed in a box for instance, while outside cams would be visible as a deterrent.
Prince himself could have known how to operate the CCTV system. KJ owns a video production business and has for quite some time. KAJ productions. He would know how to operate the CCTV.

Just food for thought.....another perspective.....

I just wanted to add that I am not implicating that KJ turned off cams (if they were in fact turned off) I was only stating that he would have knowledge of the system operation.
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Reply #1282 posted 03/06/18 7:15am

zenarose

Mumio said:



zenarose said:


Re: Cameras at Paisley Park, I do not believe that the camera system was disabled. Please don't shoot me, just hear me out. I can speak from an asset protection perspective. Logically speaking, there could have been let's say 130 + cameras inside PP. A "home/business" with all the valuables, equipment, gold bricks, ect, would be heavily insured and protected by security, private company or owner hired. By security, I mean a guard. Also, there could be a private company (outside) to monitor alarms fire and burglar. There could have been a CCTV operator on premises to operate the camera system and to monitor activity inside and outside. I'm pretty sure there was probably a camera room. It's pretty simple. There would be TV monitors and there would be x amount of cameras per monitor. There would probably be a mix of Stationary and PTZ (Pan,tilt,zoom) cameras. They can be programmed to record and retain video for up to 90 days. Now my point is that PP was more likely than not, heavily secured. With Prince being out on tour,ect common sense tells you that there was protection. The CCSO wouldn't need a search warrant to view video "inside" PP only if they removed it. It is possible that the Feds included any video in their search warrant they executed mid May 2016. We don't have access to the Federal warrants or information on their investigation. Law Enforcement doesn't have to disclose information or tell the truth. For all anyone knows, there is video but to protect that evidence or the risk of it being stolen,ect, and the media obtaining it, it is possible they lied. No way IMO, was the camera system turned off. Maybe some of the cams repositioned, but not off. Think about it. hmmm hmmm hmmm



lol Oh, I certainly have thought about it, have even mentioned it here, and thank you for weighing in on it too. There's much that I think has been withheld, this is one of those things. A great deal of misdirection.

Good to see you Zena, it's been awhile biggrin





Hey Mumio!! Good too c u 2!! 🤗💜
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Reply #1283 posted 03/06/18 8:10am

GrayDorian

PeteSilas said:

mikeyaddict said:

PeteSilas said: I think the twitter avatar is the wrong direction. That artwork was created by Martin H / Red fox bandit and had been around for a while - and used to promote 3rdeyegirl shows iirc. The one with a tear P requested to put up because he was showing his sadness at missing the shows in Georgia. And that would take a couple of emails to hook up. But the art had been around well before he left us. This was for a gig in 2015 - https://twitter.com/redfo...11616?s=12 - he did a lot of work for P. Some truly stunning images of you scroll down his media in Twitter. [Edited 3/5/18 12:11pm]

how long had the tear drop icon been up before his death? I heard it was changed shortly before. i guess you could be right, first time i heard it. however, in listening to his oakland show, he says something not a lot of people picked up on during his song Paisley Park, when he invites people to come see him, but not during the winter. I dunno, it sounded like he knew his final resting place and he was telling it in true Prince fashion to me, it had a melancholy vibe to it.

I haven't heard this show, but I remember Prince sayihg something similar when I last heard him playing Paisley Park at a gig in 2014, extending an open invitation to us fans to come & visit him at the Park.



At the time, I just took it at face value, and wondered whether he was going to do a series of concerts there, but with hindsight I suspect he may have just meant the museum (since I trust Tyka's sad confirmation that Prince was terminally ill for his last few years with us).

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This is not a social media rumor. Charles stated in the interview that the cameras were removed.

Perhaps they were defective and being replaced but what are the chances this project was occuring while he was in Paisley Park by himself and sick. Oh and he also sent everyone home just when the cameras were being replacaaed. I am sorry too many coincendences.

No one stated this tells us anything about what transpired if true it tells us something odd was going before the event occured. Why would you think the cameras were too expensive? Prince was sitting on 40 million in cash.

disch said:

Maybe the cameras were too much of a hassle or expense to maintain? Maybe they were old tech and weren't working well and were slated for replacement? Maybe they were broken and out for repair? Who knows? We have so little to go on with this (no info about where cameras were once located, when they were removed, if they were removed or just turned off, if deactivating them was unusual or something that happened routinely, all of that.).

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For every social-media rumor, we can spin all kinds of scenarios, some sinister conspiracies, some innocuous explanations. Without actual facts from reliable sources, though, I just don't see how such flights of imagination tell us anything about what actually transpired.

laurarichardson said:

Rebeljuice said: —-What If Charles is telling the truth and the cameras were removed? What do you think that would mean.

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Reply #1285 posted 03/06/18 9:14am

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

that kind of fame would create paranoia, you'd be surprised how many nuts are out there. George Harrison was stabbed by some nut, that's something that totally flew under my radar for years, i might have heard it at the time but i didn't really remember it. Marley was stabbed but he was so political that was bound to happen. but, like i said, most of the time, they are their own worst enemies. you think people didn't tell them how it would end? you think they didn't notice how the ones before them died? they had to. sometimes we get ourselves on a slippery slope.

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Yes, that is very true. I would not want that type of life for myself, personally. To live in fear is not a good way to live. I think, for the most part, no one bothered Prince around Chanhassen, but he probably could not go anywhere out in public, alone.

We have ample evidence that he went out in public. Look at the Carver County Court files. Prince had nuts trying to break in all the time and those logs certainly mention alarms.

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So fuck him and just get to the music. Nice.

The blah-blah has nothing to do with the probate so what on earth are you babbling about?

I believe Prince committed suicide however he got those drugs from somewhere and in Minnesota that is 3rd degree murder he deserves justice just like anyone else.

I think people around him know what happened at least by now and her trying to protect themselves as well as Prince's legacy which is ridculous. Just the tell the truth and the speculation will stop immediatly.

Vannormal said:

Damn.

:-O

The crap and bullshit one can read here is sometimes better than television.

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I love the need of most people to believe in some kind of conspiracy, looking always for someone or something to blame besides Prince.

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The fact that so many official investigations were needed to get that much wanted purple money spread amongst a bunch of non musicians calling themselves family, tells more truth than anything else.

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And then some fans that prefer to hear and believe Prince got murdered...

You know, it's so much easier to blame others when not being involved.

Prince is as dead as fuck and nothing is going to change that.

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Worse, the more unnecesarry blah-blah is spend and spread, the less music we will receive.

Thát's what I'm afraid of.

So basically all that we want is just more music.

Let the rest be unimportant, and let him RIP, and keep his music alive.

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Reply #1287 posted 03/06/18 9:21am

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I didn’t say I “think the cameras were too expensive.” You asked why cameras would be turned off and I reeled off reasons that have nothing to do with suicide or murder. I could come up with a whole bunch more possible reasons but the point is that people like you and I have no idea about any of this so dreaming up reasons might be entertaining, but nothing more than that. And frankly turning princes death into opportunities to entertain ourselves with various stories we imagine is off putting.


laurarichardson said:

This is not a social media rumor. Charles stated in the interview that the cameras were removed.


Perhaps they were defective and being replaced but what are the chances this project was occuring while he was in Paisley Park by himself and sick. Oh and he also sent everyone home just when the cameras were being replacaaed. I am sorry too many coincendences.



No one stated this tells us anything about what transpired if true it tells us something odd was going before the event occured. Why would you think the cameras were too expensive? Prince was sitting on 40 million in cash.



disch said:


Maybe the cameras were too much of a hassle or expense to maintain? Maybe they were old tech and weren't working well and were slated for replacement? Maybe they were broken and out for repair? Who knows? We have so little to go on with this (no info about where cameras were once located, when they were removed, if they were removed or just turned off, if deactivating them was unusual or something that happened routinely, all of that.).


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For every social-media rumor, we can spin all kinds of scenarios, some sinister conspiracies, some innocuous explanations. Without actual facts from reliable sources, though, I just don't see how such flights of imagination tell us anything about what actually transpired.



laurarichardson said:


Rebeljuice said: —-What If Charles is telling the truth and the cameras were removed? What do you think that would mean.


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This is what you typed.

disch said:

Maybe the cameras were too much of a hassle or expense to maintain?

I responed

disch said:

I didn’t say I “think the cameras were too expensive.” You asked why cameras would be turned off and I reeled off reasons that have nothing to do with suicide or murder. I could come up with a whole bunch more possible reasons but the point is that people like you and I have no idea about any of this so dreaming up reasons might be entertaining, but nothing more than that. And frankly turning princes death into opportunities to entertain ourselves with various stories we imagine is off putting. laurarichardson said:

This is not a social media rumor. Charles stated in the interview that the cameras were removed.

Perhaps they were defective and being replaced but what are the chances this project was occuring while he was in Paisley Park by himself and sick. Oh and he also sent everyone home just when the cameras were being replacaaed. I am sorry too many coincendences.

No one stated this tells us anything about what transpired if true it tells us something odd was going before the event occured. Why would you think the cameras were too expensive? Prince was sitting on 40 million in cash.

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Reply #1289 posted 03/06/18 10:48am

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laurarichardson said:

This is not a social media rumor. Charles stated in the interview that the cameras were removed.

Perhaps they were defective and being replaced but what are the chances this project was occuring while he was in Paisley Park by himself and sick. Oh and he also sent everyone home just when the cameras were being replacaaed. I am sorry too many coincendences.

No one stated this tells us anything about what transpired if true it tells us something odd was going before the event occured. Why would you think the cameras were too expensive? Prince was sitting on 40 million in cash.

disch said:

Maybe the cameras were too much of a hassle or expense to maintain? Maybe they were old tech and weren't working well and were slated for replacement? Maybe they were broken and out for repair? Who knows? We have so little to go on with this (no info about where cameras were once located, when they were removed, if they were removed or just turned off, if deactivating them was unusual or something that happened routinely, all of that.).

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For every social-media rumor, we can spin all kinds of scenarios, some sinister conspiracies, some innocuous explanations. Without actual facts from reliable sources, though, I just don't see how such flights of imagination tell us anything about what actually transpired.

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We have one source for the 'cameras were removed' tale, and that person (chazz smith) is thought by many - with half a brain - to be unreliable, not least because he was cut out of Prince's life long ago.


See Chazz interview http://prince.org/msg/15/...?&pg=3 and podcast on youtube

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