laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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In all honesty, we just do not know what Omarr or the family said or shared with Charles.

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You have to remember, Charles was saying these things AFTER the memorial services.......this was only in recent months that he was saying they were shutting him out. We all watched his interview and know what he said.

On the Podcast he said exactly what happened between him and Omarr and how SNJ did not even want Omarr or Tyka at the funeral. How would he have said these things before the service?

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I'm talking about the interview Charles did in recent months, when he started his Justice4Cuz page.

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You are talking about something completely different than I am.

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leec1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I know all of that. But, there WAS staff working there on April 21st......surely, they knew about the camera's being removed (if they were).

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I know that if I showed up for work in a 60,000 SF facility, I would notice the camera's being gone!! BOSS: Where did the camera's go?

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Did he have idiots working for him, or what??!!

leec1said:

Below is the link to the 5/24 search warrant that states there is no video surveillance. It doesn't provide any further detail on video so there is no way of knowing the overall status: were there cameras that were just turned off or no cameras at all, etc.

https://www.documentcloud...-2016.html

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I don't know what to think, but I do know that someone is lying. I just watched the press conference, where they ask about the security camera's, and the Sheriff said it was being investigated. They are covering up so much information, it's really pathetic!

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

That's right. He's looking to make some coin and get some recognition for himself. Gonna be interesting to see the different ways that happens. I know he's supposed to be part of princeofminneapolis tour. He's writing a book. Podcasts. Don't know of all the ways he is/will be compensated but he ain't doing it for free. Eyes and ears open

He did one Podcast and Mike Dean is not paying anyone. Not sure if he is going to make any money doing interviews and we know for a fact that footage does not exsist.

If the cameras were even turned off Why?

I don't believe ALL the cameras were turned off/removed.

You know my feelings on Chazz and I know yours. He is as much an opportunist as any of the others who aren't a sibling. Hadn't been in contact for YEARS.

cloveringold85 said:

This is what the Sheriff said. Listen closely at 9:25 regarding the security cameras.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...cmDZ8DNAGk

They were talking about Walgreens at that point, why would you think the comment about surveillance cameras suddenly was about PP when the conversation was about Walgreens?

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

no talk of surveillance footage has surfaced, i think i've read that it was there but turned off. either way, that in itself is bizarre, paranoid assed prince would never have his shit turned off, it just doesn't make sense. Morris Hayes had some stories about how insistent prince was about making sure his gate was locked a few years ago and went with him to the hardware store, prince wouldn't normally have the cameras off.

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This is what the Sheriff said. Listen closely at 9:25 regarding the security cameras.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...cmDZ8DNAGk

he didn't say anything of note.

cloveringold85 said:

I know all of that. But, there WAS staff working there on April 21st......surely, they knew about the camera's being removed (if they were).

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I know that if I showed up for work in a 60,000 SF facility, I would notice the camera's being gone!! BOSS: Where did the camera's go?

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Did he have idiots working for him, or what??!!

Would you mind being very specific when you say there was staff working there? We know Kirk and Meron arrived with the doc's son. Who are you referring to? Because neither Kirk nor Meron would have questioned what he was doing, it was his property...why would they? And I also think they know much more than either have said.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

He did one Podcast and Mike Dean is not paying anyone. Not sure if he is going to make any money doing interviews and we know for a fact that footage does not exsist.

If the cameras were even turned off Why?

I don't believe ALL the cameras were turned off/removed.

You know my feelings on Chazz and I know yours. He is as much an opportunist as any of the others who aren't a sibling. Hadn't been in contact for YEARS.

Prince was not in touch with him because he has a big mouth and the family does not talk to him because he has a big mouth.

That is the reason I do not think he is lying. He loves to tell stuff.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

I know all of that. But, there WAS staff working there on April 21st......surely, they knew about the camera's being removed (if they were).

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I know that if I showed up for work in a 60,000 SF facility, I would notice the camera's being gone!! BOSS: Where did the camera's go?

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Did he have idiots working for him, or what??!!

Would you mind being very specific when you say there was staff working there? We know Kirk and Meron arrived with the doc's son. Who are you referring to? Because neither Kirk nor Meron would have questioned what he was doing, it was his property...why would they? And I also think they know much more than either have said.

They were with him 24/7 and know much more then they let on.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

On the Podcast he said exactly what happened between him and Omarr and how SNJ did not even want Omarr or Tyka at the funeral. How would he have said these things before the service?

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I'm talking about the interview Charles did in recent months, when he started his Justice4Cuz page.

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You are talking about something completely different than I am.

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You should listen to the podcast as he does not say much on his Facebook page,

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

This is what the Sheriff said. Listen closely at 9:25 regarding the security cameras.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...cmDZ8DNAGk

They were talking about Walgreens at that point, why would you think the comment about surveillance cameras suddenly was about PP when the conversation was about Walgreens?

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My bad. I didn't hear her say Walgreens!

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I thought they were talking about PP. DUH

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

I know all of that. But, there WAS staff working there on April 21st......surely, they knew about the camera's being removed (if they were).

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I know that if I showed up for work in a 60,000 SF facility, I would notice the camera's being gone!! BOSS: Where did the camera's go?

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Did he have idiots working for him, or what??!!

Would you mind being very specific when you say there was staff working there? We know Kirk and Meron arrived with the doc's son. Who are you referring to? Because neither Kirk nor Meron would have questioned what he was doing, it was his property...why would they? And I also think they know much more than either have said.

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According to the 911 Call, there was staff there screaming (woman's voice).

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1. It was reported that: Meron Bekure ( Prince's assistance) and Kirk Johnson, found Prince

2. It was reported that Meron Bekure, and Kirk Johnson have been investigated and were with him at the Jazz Club on the 19th. They were known to be the last 2 to see him alive.

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Source: Prince Getting 2 the Truth FB page

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

They were talking about Walgreens at that point, why would you think the comment about surveillance cameras suddenly was about PP when the conversation was about Walgreens?

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My bad. I didn't hear her say Walgreens!

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I thought they were talking about PP. DUH

Still, it makes absolutely no sense to remove security cameras. Didn't Prince supposedly receive death threats in 2014 at PP during the celebration of his contract with WB?

Kirk was head of security and multi-tasked as a bodyguard. I am sure he would have at a minimum recommended not to remove security cameras. For all we know, PP could have been required to have cameras for insurance purposes.

Just trying to throw out ideas.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

I don't believe ALL the cameras were turned off/removed.

You know my feelings on Chazz and I know yours. He is as much an opportunist as any of the others who aren't a sibling. Hadn't been in contact for YEARS.

Prince was not in touch with him because he has a big mouth and the family does not talk to him because he has a big mouth.

That is the reason I do not think he is lying. He loves to tell stuff.

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........But, in that same token, you are saying The Nelsons told "big mouth Chazz" a lot of stuff!

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Would you mind being very specific when you say there was staff working there? We know Kirk and Meron arrived with the doc's son. Who are you referring to? Because neither Kirk nor Meron would have questioned what he was doing, it was his property...why would they? And I also think they know much more than either have said.

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According to the 911 Call, there was staff there screaming (woman's voice).

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1. It was reported that: Meron Bekure ( Prince's assistance) and Kirk Johnson, found Prince

2. It was reported that Meron Bekure, and Kirk Johnson have been investigated and were with him at the Jazz Club on the 19th. They were known to be the last 2 to see him alive.

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Source: Prince Getting 2 the Truth FB page

That was Meron and Kirk they were the only staff working that week.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Prince was not in touch with him because he has a big mouth and the family does not talk to him because he has a big mouth.

That is the reason I do not think he is lying. He loves to tell stuff.

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........But, in that same token, you are saying The Nelsons told "big mouth Chazz" a lot of stuff!

No, you need to listen to the Podcast. Charles said when he started to ask questions Omarr jumped up in his face and as an elder he had to tell Omarr to fall back. So they are not telling him anything and it almost came to blows.

Charles claims to have spoken to the EmT that took out Prince's body and some of the officers.

nelcp777 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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My bad. I didn't hear her say Walgreens!

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I thought they were talking about PP. DUH

Still, it makes absolutely no sense to remove security cameras. Didn't Prince supposedly receive death threats in 2014 at PP during the celebration of his contract with WB?

Kirk was head of security and multi-tasked as a bodyguard. I am sure he would have at a minimum recommended not to remove security cameras. For all we know, PP could have been required to have cameras for insurance purposes.

Just trying to throw out ideas.

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I agree; it doesn't make any sense.

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Yes, I heard all about the supposed death threats, and I don't know what to think about it. Prince was celebrating getting his Catalog back, and someone was threatening him.

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You would think there would be record of the camera's being removed. Did he have Kirk just rip them out of the walls?

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Security company.....camera/security system removal.....receipts?

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i listened to the chazz broadcast because any info i can try to get i do try. I know he's kinda bitter and seems not to be the best source but he is a genuine source who knew prince. I didn't trust him enough to want to join his facebook page when he invited me though. I don't know where he's coming from with that, maybe he's sincere. Lots of families think something foul went down when it involves family, just the nature of family. but i was never convinced that prince was murdered for anything.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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........But, in that same token, you are saying The Nelsons told "big mouth Chazz" a lot of stuff!

No, you need to listen to the Podcast. Charles said when he started to ask questions Omarr jumped up in his face and as an elder he had to tell Omarr to fall back. So they are not telling him anything and it almost came to blows.

Charles claims to have spoken to the EmT that took out Prince's body and some of the officers.

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Didn't you just say a few posts back that Chazz talked to the family at the memorial? You said they would have told him things.

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Well, if someone asks you a question, and you snap back, it's usually because you have something to hide.

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I don't know what to think about it. It's really messed-up.

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I don't know why an EMT or police officer would say anything to Chazz. Did Chazz tell the Carver County Sheriff what they said? They could lose their jobs over something like that.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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........But, in that same token, you are saying The Nelsons told "big mouth Chazz" a lot of stuff!

No, you need to listen to the Podcast. Charles said when he started to ask questions Omarr jumped up in his face and as an elder he had to tell Omarr to fall back. So they are not telling him anything and it almost came to blows.

Charles claims to have spoken to the EmT that took out Prince's body and some of the officers.

Laura, you've said this same stuff several times. The podcast doesn't enlighten as to why Omarr got in his face (other than to tell him this is none of his business maybe?) and there is no damn way that any of the sibs are going to take orders from him no matter what his age is. Prince booted him and they all know it. They aren't telling him anything because it is NONE of his business. That is really the bottom line. He is not an heir, he is not a sib, he is not a first cousin, and none of the heirs owe him ANYTHING. It's none of his business and he is working all the angles for his own benefit. It doesn't matter what he claims, he can say whatever and who is going to refute it? The sibs/heirs don't give a crap and aren't going to go to battle with him nor are they going to validate anything because he doesn't matter in terms of the estate. He is like white noise. Really. Looking for his piece just like any of the others who are owed nothing.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

No, you need to listen to the Podcast. Charles said when he started to ask questions Omarr jumped up in his face and as an elder he had to tell Omarr to fall back. So they are not telling him anything and it almost came to blows.

Charles claims to have spoken to the EmT that took out Prince's body and some of the officers.

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Didn't you just say a few posts back that Chazz talked to the family at the memorial? You said they would have told him things.

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Well, if someone asks you a question, and you snap back, it's usually because you have something to hide.

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I don't know what to think about it. It's really messed-up.

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I don't know why an EMT or police officer would say anything to Chazz. Did Chazz tell the Carver County Sheriff what they said? They could lose their jobs over something like that.

Yes, exactly. It's called HIPAA. They wouldn't have told him anything!

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Sheriff Olson was asked about the security system at PP:

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QUESTION: Sheriff, were there surveillance cameras at Paisley Park and do you have them?

OLSON: That is -- that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now.

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Full Transcripts can be read here....

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http://transcripts.cnn.co...cg.01.html

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

No, you need to listen to the Podcast. Charles said when he started to ask questions Omarr jumped up in his face and as an elder he had to tell Omarr to fall back. So they are not telling him anything and it almost came to blows.

Charles claims to have spoken to the EmT that took out Prince's body and some of the officers.

Laura, you've said this same stuff several times. The podcast doesn't enlighten as to why Omarr got in his face (other than to tell him this is none of his business maybe?) and there is no damn way that any of the sibs are going to take orders from him no matter what his age is. Prince booted him and they all know it. They aren't telling him anything because it is NONE of his business. That is really the bottom line. He is not an heir, he is not a sib, he is not a first cousin, and none of the heirs owe him ANYTHING. It's none of his business and he is working all the angles for his own benefit. It doesn't matter what he claims, he can say whatever and who is going to refute it? The sibs/heirs don't give a crap and aren't going to go to battle with him nor are they going to validate anything because he doesn't matter in terms of the estate. He is like white noise. Really. Looking for his piece just like any of the others who are owed nothing.

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Good point!!

Mumio said:

Thought I would post this here. Video footage taken on April 21, 2016. You can clearly see the security cameras outside the building.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...1mPxCqW7cs

cloveringold85 said:

Thought I would post this here. Video footage taken on April 21, 2016. You can clearly see the security cameras outside the building.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...1mPxCqW7cs

Interesting, I do see the cams. I am not sure it was ever specified it was only the cams inside that were removed (based on what Chazz had to say). Maybe someone else has more info.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Just to be clear, there is no evidence Prince had pancreatic cancer. How the 'family' choose to manipulate his name is their business, and it means nothing in the bigger picture whatsoever.

laurarichardson said:

If you do not believe what they are saying that is your choice. No one will have any evidence of anything unless we see his health file.

So you know no more then anyone else on this board.

But you're the one making stuff up. Plain and simple. That screenshot does not mean he had pancreatic cancer, or any cancer. There is no evidence he was seriously ill from anything life-threatening.

laurarichardson said:

Once again. My information came from family members it has nothing to do with the Pancreatic Cancer Foundation using the color purple. You either believe the family members or you do not.

Do you not understand that his family members are saying he had cancer

The family are squabbling over rights and entitlement. And Tyka, in regard to knowing more about P's health than anyone else, comes out looking really bad in my view. As someone who is clued up on psychology and good at reading people, I can tell she is not being entirely truthful. To iterate, there is no good evidence P told her he was dying. We have one quote 'done everything i came to do' and a reminiscing photo that we're led to believe she was instructed to email to his friends. He did NOT tell her the words 'I am dying'. He supposedly told her through one photo, which off her recall didn't immediately click with her. Even if her account is true, it's highly unlikely one childhood photo, by visual means only, conveys message I'm dying of X. Too many gaps have to be filled. Oh, and in the Lorraine interview she was um'ing and ah'ing when asked how she knew he was dying.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Once again. My information came from family members it has nothing to do with the Pancreatic Cancer Foundation using the color purple. You either believe the family members or you do not.

Do you not understand that his family members are saying he had cancer

The family are squabbling over rights and entitlement. And Tyka, in regard to knowing more about P's health than anyone else, comes out looking really bad in my view. As someone who is clued up on psychology and good at reading people, I can tell she is not being entirely truthful. To iterate, there is no good evidence P told her he was dying. We have one quote 'done everything i came to do' and a reminiscing photo that we're led to believe she was instructed to email to his friends. He did NOT tell her the words 'I am dying'. He supposedly told her through one photo, which off her recall didn't immediately click with her. Even if her account is true, it's highly unlikely one childhood photo, by visual means only, conveys message I'm dying of X. Too many gaps have to be filled. Oh, and in the Lorraine interview she was um'ing and ah'ing when asked how she knew he was dying.

i didn't either, she's loopy as hell.

PeteSilas said:

i listened to the chazz broadcast because any info i can try to get i do try. I know he's kinda bitter and seems not to be the best source but he is a genuine source who knew prince. I didn't trust him enough to want to join his facebook page when he invited me though. I don't know where he's coming from with that, maybe he's sincere. Lots of families think something foul went down when it involves family, just the nature of family. but i was never convinced that prince was murdered for anything.

I doubt Chazz knew Prince well. He's never mentioned in the biographies. And P kept most, if not all of his siblings at arm's length. He wasn't close to his cousin. So why treat him as a reliable source?

All these allegations start off as a game of chinese whispers! This passing down by word of mouth, or oral tradition, at some point gets written down and then some genius guy decides it would be an insane idea to collate all these sayings in one book. Then claim it all points to one underlying theme. It may be added to with further chapters. But that's how you get the Torah, Bible, Koran basically. (And justification for a lot of killing).

A bit like P's family then, there's a lot of make-believe going on.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Yes, exactly. It's called HIPAA. They wouldn't have told him anything!

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He did not say what he was told other then the cameras being gone and having spoken to the EMT who took his body out. I find it interesting that this concerning you but unnamed sources talking to the media about the case or TMZ does not seem to bother some of you.

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We have no proof that an EMT took Prince's body out of the building. There is no footage of his body being removed from PP.

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His body should have been removed by the Coroner, since his death was not a witnessed death and there was an investigation going on.

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You don't see all the strange circumstances surrounding Prince's death? Do you think that a proper investigation has taken place? I sure don't.