It does not matter if he had cameras in his personal living quarters because there is no footage at all, He also did not die in his living quarters. It is an accidental o.d. because he wanted it to like one.

disch said:

Were his private residential areas ever covered by security cameras? I have a hard time imagining that he allowed recordings of himself sleeping, changing, using the bathroom etc. (Same question would apply to other parts of PP.) So he could have just planned his last moments to occur in a non-camera'ed zone, if that was this concern, rather than dismantling the whole system (and just to be clear, my feelings on this line up with the ME's: it was an accidental OD).

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've made the point before, but bears repeating. We don't know for sure the cameras were turned off, or indeed whether all of them were.

But let's say they were. I'm leaning more towards suicide than accidental OD. So if we assume suicide, it would make more sense that they were switched off. Given, in that scenario Prince may not have wanted his last movements caught on CCTV, subject to someone else stealing or appropriating the footage.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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What a sweet puppy! Looks like a Corgi.

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Yes....Corgi Pup!!

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I love Puppies, and Dogs in general.

PeteSilas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've made the point before, but bears repeating. We don't know for sure the cameras were turned off, or indeed whether all of them were.

But let's say they were. I'm leaning more towards suicide than accidental OD. So if we assume suicide, it would make more sense that they were switched off. Given, in that scenario Prince may not have wanted his last movements caught on CCTV, subject to someone else stealing or appropriating the footage.

that's my thought and has been pretty much from the start. people shout down all the things that seemed like signs, the changing of the twitter icon etc.., too many things said he was ready to check out.

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Are you referring to the "Just when you thought U were safe?"

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If so; Prince posted that because he was adding more dates to his tour. That quote has been misunderstood all over the net. I think people got concerned because his post was deleted.

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Question is.......WHO deleted it and WHO had access to his personal social media accounts?

laurarichardson said:

It does not matter if he had cameras in his personal living quarters because there is no footage at all, He also did not die in his living quarters. It is an accidental o.d. because he wanted it to like one.

disch said:

Were his private residential areas ever covered by security cameras? I have a hard time imagining that he allowed recordings of himself sleeping, changing, using the bathroom etc. (Same question would apply to other parts of PP.) So he could have just planned his last moments to occur in a non-camera'ed zone, if that was this concern, rather than dismantling the whole system (and just to be clear, my feelings on this line up with the ME's: it was an accidental OD).

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But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

that's my thought and has been pretty much from the start. people shout down all the things that seemed like signs, the changing of the twitter icon etc.., too many things said he was ready to check out.

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Are you referring to the "Just when you thought U were safe?"

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If so; Prince posted that because he was adding more dates to his tour. That quote has been misunderstood all over the net. I think people got concerned because his post was deleted.

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Question is.......WHO deleted it and WHO had access to his personal social media accounts?

no, i'm referring to how he changed the picture to one with the third eye open, at death. seems like a ridiculous thing to have ready at the drop of a hat if death was unexpected. maybe it was a publicist, i don't know. I just see all kinds of things saying he was ready to check out and lets face it, if you are doing self destructive things, you're committing suicide whether it's deliberate or not. Elvis was a smart man, he had to know what he was doing, so did MJ.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

It does not matter if he had cameras in his personal living quarters because there is no footage at all, He also did not die in his living quarters. It is an accidental o.d. because he wanted it to like one.

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But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

maybe he had cameras on the elevator, they've been around for a long time you know.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Are you referring to the "Just when you thought U were safe?"

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If so; Prince posted that because he was adding more dates to his tour. That quote has been misunderstood all over the net. I think people got concerned because his post was deleted.

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Question is.......WHO deleted it and WHO had access to his personal social media accounts?

no, i'm referring to how he changed the picture to one with the third eye open, at death. seems like a ridiculous thing to have ready at the drop of a hat if death was unexpected. maybe it was a publicist, i don't know. I just see all kinds of things saying he was ready to check out and lets face it, if you are doing self destructive things, you're committing suicide whether it's deliberate or not. Elvis was a smart man, he had to know what he was doing, so did MJ.

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Oh, you were referring to the "third eye" open and his two eyes being "closed". Okay.

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Well, it was something that Prince obviously requested. I don't think it necessarily means he was ready to die. It means he was seeing with his third eye -- on a higher spirtual level (some people can't understand what it means), but I do. I remember when Prince tweeted something like "Even with all eyes open, I still can't watch everything you do." -- Now, I don't know "who" exactly he was talking about.

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In my personal opinion, I don't think Elvis was a smart man; not as he got older and so doped-up with pills.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

maybe he had cameras on the elevator, they've been around for a long time you know.

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Yes, I'm sure he did, but what I'm saying is that if he was planning to OD in the elevator, there would be no need to have all the camera's turned-off and/or removed.

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I'm sure Kirk has all the passwords and codes for the security system.

Third Eye Chakra:

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When the Third Eye is balanced you see everything clearly. You function and make decisions with a sense of neutrality; meaning you are concerned, but not attached, to any single outcome. Highly focused, you can make the distinction between reality and dreams (or imagination).

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http://www.chakras.info/o...ye-chakra/

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

no, i'm referring to how he changed the picture to one with the third eye open, at death. seems like a ridiculous thing to have ready at the drop of a hat if death was unexpected. maybe it was a publicist, i don't know. I just see all kinds of things saying he was ready to check out and lets face it, if you are doing self destructive things, you're committing suicide whether it's deliberate or not. Elvis was a smart man, he had to know what he was doing, so did MJ.

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Oh, you were referring to the "third eye" open and his two eyes being "closed". Okay.

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Well, it was something that Prince obviously requested. I don't think it necessarily means he was ready to die. It means he was seeing with his third eye -- on a higher spirtual level (some people can't understand what it means), but I do. I remember when Prince tweeted something like "Even with all eyes open, I still can't watch everything you do." -- Now, I don't know "who" exactly he was talking about.

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In my personal opinion, I don't think Elvis was a smart man; not as he got older and so doped-up with pills.

at some level, we all know what we do. I've known a lot of addicts and they know at some level what they are doing and really, only they can stop themselves. Elvis has the rep of being a weak willed hick but it was never true in my opinion, Mj either, you don't accomplish that much not being a strong person. Or rather, there has to be something strong in them, they may have been weak in certain ways as all people are.

as far as the icon on prince's twitter, it seems a little too coincidental to change it from what it was to the sunglasses off and a teardrop. who would have time to do graphic work like that when the guy was dead? It must have been prepped. And yes, i know what the third eye signifies.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

Very true. - I have a hard time picturing that areas such as interior elevators were ever covered by security cameras. I can picture security cameras covering the exterior entrances etc., but covering every part of the buildings interior, at all times?That would be pretty extreme for a building like pp, it seems, unless prince was deeply fearful about security, which he never really seemed to be (as in, he never seemed paranoid about it). cloveringold85 said:

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But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

he was famously paranoid, especially when he was younger. Maybe some of it was exaggerated i don't know but you know, fame, itself induces paranoia. He did have crazy people coming at him all the time, some lady lived in the woods with a bow and arrow a few years ago, that's bound to exacerbate paranoia. paranoia isn't always a bad thing, maybe paranoia would have kept john lennon alive but I always thought that rockstars needed to fear themselves more than anyone else.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, you were referring to the "third eye" open and his two eyes being "closed". Okay.

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Well, it was something that Prince obviously requested. I don't think it necessarily means he was ready to die. It means he was seeing with his third eye -- on a higher spirtual level (some people can't understand what it means), but I do. I remember when Prince tweeted something like "Even with all eyes open, I still can't watch everything you do." -- Now, I don't know "who" exactly he was talking about.

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In my personal opinion, I don't think Elvis was a smart man; not as he got older and so doped-up with pills.

at some level, we all know what we do. I've known a lot of addicts and they know at some level what they are doing and really, only they can stop themselves. Elvis has the rep of being a weak willed hick but it was never true in my opinion, Mj either, you don't accomplish that much not being a strong person. Or rather, there has to be something strong in them, they may have been weak in certain ways as all people are.

as far as the icon on prince's twitter, it seems a little too coincidental to change it from what it was to the sunglasses off and a teardrop. who would have time to do graphic work like that when the guy was dead? It must have been prepped. And yes, i know what the third eye signifies.

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I'm in no way saying that Elvis or MJ were stupid or weak-minded. They were very smart individuals. It was drugs that ruined their life and was the reason for their untimely demise.

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Yes, the picture with his eyes closed and a tear drop was very sad. I just think it was his way of expressing how he felt about this world, and not necessarily himself. He obviously told the artist what he wanted. It is perplexing and we probably won't know the reason behind it.

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Prince expressed many times how he was upset with the way the world is going. Many people don't want to open their eyes (Prince had his wide open), and see how fucked up this world is. People like to sugar-coat things, but Prince never did. This is why he pissed a lot of people off; because he said how he really felt. I admire him for that.

disch said:

Very true. - I have a hard time picturing that areas such as interior elevators were ever covered by security cameras. I can picture security cameras covering the exterior entrances etc., but covering every part of the buildings interior, at all times?That would be pretty extreme for a building like pp, it seems, unless prince was deeply fearful about security, which he never really seemed to be (as in, he never seemed paranoid about it). cloveringold85 said:

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But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

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It is documented that Prince had every area wired so he could record music anywhere in PP. Now, as far as security camera's are concerned -- he could have ripped-out or turned off individual camera's as he wished. I'm sure he had a very elaborate security system and he could monitor and control each camera.

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I agree; I never perceived Prince as a paranoid person; not the way some people are describing him.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

Very true. - I have a hard time picturing that areas such as interior elevators were ever covered by security cameras. I can picture security cameras covering the exterior entrances etc., but covering every part of the buildings interior, at all times?That would be pretty extreme for a building like pp, it seems, unless prince was deeply fearful about security, which he never really seemed to be (as in, he never seemed paranoid about it). cloveringold85 said:

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It is documented that Prince had every area wired so he could record music anywhere in PP. Now, as far as security camera's are concerned -- he could have ripped-out or turned off individual camera's as he wished. I'm sure he had a very elaborate security system and he could monitor and control each camera.

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I agree; I never perceived Prince as a paranoid person; not the way some people are describing him.

that kind of fame would create paranoia, you'd be surprised how many nuts are out there. George Harrison was stabbed by some nut, that's something that totally flew under my radar for years, i might have heard it at the time but i didn't really remember it. Marley was stabbed but he was so political that was bound to happen. but, like i said, most of the time, they are their own worst enemies. you think people didn't tell them how it would end? you think they didn't notice how the ones before them died? they had to. sometimes we get ourselves on a slippery slope.

tab32792 said:

I'm pretty sure Kirk knows more than he's telling/admitting in general but I mean with ALL that we know about Prince, could anybody really be an enabler? He was a grown ass man who's been in control of his life for damn near his whole life. Nothing happened without his consent. The laced pills were for sure an accident but taking the pills period i'm sure was his choice and his need for secrecy and dependancy (i used to take pain killers recreationally and addiction to them could happen to anybody) drove him to go to the lengths that he did.

I don't like the fact that Kirk was involved in providing Prince with opioids. However, we don't know how much he enabled Prince and how much he tried to help him either. The person who is experiencing addiction has to be willing to ACCEPT HELP.

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I love what Bodhitheblackdog wrote on The Most Beautiful: My Life with Prince Book Club: Part 2, 6:35pm of http://prince.org/msg/5/440644?&pg=17, Reply #506 posted 04/10/17. The context is different (the discussion was about the end of his first marriage), but the principle still rings true:

"He was flawed, he did mess up and despite his control freak persona I'm sure his vulnerability, despair, and confusion blazed like a beacon for all to see. He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style."

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The end of his life was a Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style because he was an adult, and it was within his control to deal with his pain. He prayed, made music, and took painkillers. He could have gone to rehab for his abuse of/addiction to painkillers.

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Sometimes, life throws things at a person that overwhelms his or her coping skills. In these situations, often times the only thing that a person can do is to (a) admit that he or she can't handle the issues and (b) seek help/support for dealing with the issues.

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This goes back to the whole issue of free will. Prince could have sought out professional help. He certainly had the means to receive top-notch professional help. He did not, and sadly, he ended up dying from an overdose. So while I understand the criticism of those who may have enabled Prince, the person who is addicted or dependent has to be willing to receive help.

cloveringold85 said:

But..........If Prince wanted to die in his elevator, then there would be no need to shut-off/remove all the camera's around PP.

Unless there were other things being done around PP that he didn't want anyone to see. Preparations. We just don't know.


ETA: was that vague enough?

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tab32792 said:

I'm pretty sure Kirk knows more than he's telling/admitting in general but I mean with ALL that we know about Prince, could anybody really be an enabler? He was a grown ass man who's been in control of his life for damn near his whole life. Nothing happened without his consent. The laced pills were for sure an accident but taking the pills period i'm sure was his choice and his need for secrecy and dependancy (i used to take pain killers recreationally and addiction to them could happen to anybody) drove him to go to the lengths that he did.

I don't like the fact that Kirk was involved in providing Prince with opioids. However, we don't know how much he enabled Prince and how much he tried to help him either. The person who is experiencing addiction has to be willing to ACCEPT HELP.

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I love what Bodhitheblackdog wrote on The Most Beautiful: My Life with Prince Book Club: Part 2, 6:35pm of http://prince.org/msg/5/440644?&pg=17, Reply #506 posted 04/10/17. The context is different (the discussion was about the end of his first marriage), but the principle still rings true:

"He was flawed, he did mess up and despite his control freak persona I'm sure his vulnerability, despair, and confusion blazed like a beacon for all to see. He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style."

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The end of his life was a Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style because he was an adult, and it was within his control to deal with his pain. He prayed, made music, and took painkillers. He could have gone to rehab for his abuse of/addiction to painkillers.

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Sometimes, life throws things at a person that overwhelms his or her coping skills. In these situations, often times the only thing that a person can do is to (a) admit that he or she can't handle the issues and (b) seek help/support for dealing with the issues.

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This goes back to the whole issue of free will. Prince could have sought out professional help. He certainly had the means to receive top-notch professional help. He did not, and sadly, he ended up dying from an overdose. So while I understand the criticism of those who may have enabled Prince, the person who is addicted or dependent has to be willing to receive help.

Thank you for remembering and re-posting those words 206 Michelle...they were painful to write, painful to re-read. There hasn't been a day since he passed that all of us here haven't been stopped cold by grief, confusion or anger...and each time, I think, we should ask God, or whatever cosmic force has caught our (third) eye...for the peace that passeth understanding. Prince is at peace...we need to Dance ON!

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

So what exactly do we actually know about the whole security-camera situation? It seems that we actually have very few facts the use of cameras at PP, both in the past and at the time of Prince's death. Basically all we have is Charles' claim some unknown number/location of cameras were removed/turned off, at some unknown point in time?

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No warrant mentioned anything about the police seeking or accessing records from companies in the area (or anywhere) relating to PP security systems.

laurarichardson said:

Why duck from cameras when you can just turn them off or have them removed. This is Prince we are talking about this guy never did anything halfway. We know from the search warrants that no footage exist. This can only be because the cameras were turned off, malfunctioning or removed. Charles did not say when they were removed but I’m sure the police know this information. If the cameras were removed how many companies in the area would do that sort of work. disch said:

While it’s a little hard to follow what you wrote below, what I was saying is: the theory is that he disabled his security cameras to allow his suicide to occur unobserved. Why would he need to do that if significant parts of pp were likely not covered by security cameras? He could have just planned his suicide for one of those uncovered locations (such as his residence). - Did cousin Chazz (or anyone else) specify when they think the security cameras were deactivated? Is there reason to assume it was within days or weeks if his death? Are there any sources regarding the history of security csmera recordings at pp besides cousin chazz, or is he the sole info since?

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As I mentioned before, what about the interior recording/listening system? Ostensibly, it was available 24/7 as recently as the early 2000s. Does anyone know if that had been disabled?

Apparently, there were big ass signs telling guess they were bring filmed. Do you think they were put up for grins and giggles? We know from the press conference that police had some reason to think they would be viewing footage only for us the public to find out via the search warrants that know footage exsist. Security guards who worked for him recently have said that cameras were at PP.

disch said:

So what exactly do we actually know about the whole security-camera situation? It seems that we actually have very few facts the use of cameras at PP, both in the past and at the time of Prince's death. Basically all we have is Charles' claim some unknown number/location of cameras were removed/turned off, at some unknown point in time?

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No warrant mentioned anything about the police seeking or accessing records from companies in the area (or anywhere) relating to PP security systems.

laurarichardson said:

Why duck from cameras when you can just turn them off or have them removed. This is Prince we are talking about this guy never did anything halfway. We know from the search warrants that no footage exist. This can only be because the cameras were turned off, malfunctioning or removed. Charles did not say when they were removed but I’m sure the police know this information. If the cameras were removed how many companies in the area would do that sort of work. disch said:

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None of what you wrote below tells me anything about Prince's history of security-camera usage (locations covered, etc) at PP and when, if and why it changed over time. (I think the signs were not necessarily about security cameras, but for guests at PP events being filmed for use in potential Prince video projects. You see those kinds of signs a lot at public events. Kevin Smith may have spoken to this, I can't recall).

laurarichardson said:

Apparently, there were big ass signs telling guess they were bring filmed. Do you think they were put up for grins and giggles? We know from the press conference that police had some reason to think they would be viewing footage only for us the public to find out via the search warrants that know footage exsist. Security guards who worked for him recently have said that cameras were at PP.

disch said:

So what exactly do we actually know about the whole security-camera situation? It seems that we actually have very few facts the use of cameras at PP, both in the past and at the time of Prince's death. Basically all we have is Charles' claim some unknown number/location of cameras were removed/turned off, at some unknown point in time?

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No warrant mentioned anything about the police seeking or accessing records from companies in the area (or anywhere) relating to PP security systems.

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PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

mikeyaddict said:

PeteSilas said:

at some level, we all know what we do. I've known a lot of addicts and they know at some level what they are doing and really, only they can stop themselves. Elvis has the rep of being a weak willed hick but it was never true in my opinion, Mj either, you don't accomplish that much not being a strong person. Or rather, there has to be something strong in them, they may have been weak in certain ways as all people are.

as far as the icon on prince's twitter, it seems a little too coincidental to change it from what it was to the sunglasses off and a teardrop. who would have time to do graphic work like that when the guy was dead? It must have been prepped. And yes, i know what the third eye signifies.

I think the twitter avatar is the wrong direction. That artwork was created by Martin H / Red fox bandit and had been around for a while - and used to promote 3rdeyegirl shows iirc. The one with a tear P requested to put up because he was showing his sadness at missing the shows in Georgia. And that would take a couple of emails to hook up. But the art had been around well before he left us. This was for a gig in 2015 - https://twitter.com/redfo...11616?s=12 - he did a lot of work for P. Some truly stunning images of you scroll down his media in Twitter. [Edited 3/5/18 12:11pm]

how long had the tear drop icon been up before his death? I heard it was changed shortly before. i guess you could be right, first time i heard it. however, in listening to his oakland show, he says something not a lot of people picked up on during his song Paisley Park, when he invites people to come see him, but not during the winter. I dunno, it sounded like he knew his final resting place and he was telling it in true Prince fashion to me, it had a melancholy vibe to it.

Damn.

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The crap and bullshit one can read here is sometimes better than television.

I love the need of most people to believe in some kind of conspiracy, looking always for someone or something to blame besides Prince.

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The fact that so many official investigations were needed to get that much wanted purple money spread amongst a bunch of non musicians calling themselves family, tells more truth than anything else.

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And then some fans that prefer to hear and believe Prince got murdered...

You know, it's so much easier to blame others when not being involved.

Prince is as dead as fuck and nothing is going to change that.

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Worse, the more unnecesarry blah-blah is spend and spread, the less music we will receive.

Thát's what I'm afraid of.

So basically all that we want is just more music.

Let the rest be unimportant, and let him RIP, and keep his music alive.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It is documented that Prince had every area wired so he could record music anywhere in PP. Now, as far as security camera's are concerned -- he could have ripped-out or turned off individual camera's as he wished. I'm sure he had a very elaborate security system and he could monitor and control each camera.

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I agree; I never perceived Prince as a paranoid person; not the way some people are describing him.

that kind of fame would create paranoia, you'd be surprised how many nuts are out there. George Harrison was stabbed by some nut, that's something that totally flew under my radar for years, i might have heard it at the time but i didn't really remember it. Marley was stabbed but he was so political that was bound to happen. but, like i said, most of the time, they are their own worst enemies. you think people didn't tell them how it would end? you think they didn't notice how the ones before them died? they had to. sometimes we get ourselves on a slippery slope.

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Yes, that is very true. I would not want that type of life for myself, personally. To live in fear is not a good way to live. I think, for the most part, no one bothered Prince around Chanhassen, but he probably could not go anywhere out in public, alone.

Mumio said:

Unless there were other things being done around PP that he didn't want anyone to see. Preparations. We just don't know.


ETA: was that vague enough?

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He could have just used a can of black spray paint or threw a towel over it or something........I'm just joking, of course.