cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

The other thing you should also consider is that there IS video of exactly what went down at the end, specifically allowed to protect against any of the crazy murder/poisoning theories against anyone out there. That could also explain why there's been no arrests made. If they were to find the person who made or sold the fentanyl to him they'd have a homicide charge. Doubt that will happen though.

Evidence suppression happens, it's not out of the realm of possiblity here.

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Soooo, you are saying that there IS in fact video footage?

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Another thing, Prince had a party at PP after the Moline incident, and I highly doubt he would have camera's removed and/or turned-off. That would be a liability, in the case something happened or someone got hurt on his premises. Prince wasn't stupid.

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I don't think they will find out who procured the Fentanyl. They would have known by now.

Clover, if you think that is what I said, then you need to go back and read what I said again. I was pretty clear I thought.

Re the cameras: you'll recall that laura said that Prince's cousin Chazz said the cameras were removed. No one said Prince was stupid but if he had a plan for himself then I don't think the little get together would have detered him.

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cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

'If dealer found he'll be charged'. Apart from that axiomatic statement, nothing relevant here, just a lot of hot air.

You're very good with the whining I'll humor you just this once. I couldn't care less if you have nothing better to do with your time, but I won't be wasting mine on the likes of you, so move along and pester someone else We'll just sit back and watch you spin your wheels

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, I can assure you, A LOT of people would be PISSED!!

Pissed, but oh so happy.

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Yea, a combination of the two!

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Soooo, you are saying that there IS in fact video footage?

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Another thing, Prince had a party at PP after the Moline incident, and I highly doubt he would have camera's removed and/or turned-off. That would be a liability, in the case something happened or someone got hurt on his premises. Prince wasn't stupid.

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I don't think they will find out who procured the Fentanyl. They would have known by now.

Clover, if you think that is what I said, then you need to go back and read what I said again. I was pretty clear I thought.

Re the cameras: you'll recall that laura said that Prince's cousin Chazz said the cameras were removed. No one said Prince was stupid but if he had a plan for himself then I don't think the little get together would have detered him.

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I misunderstood your post.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You raise some very good questions, as well.

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I could see maybe the camera's/security malfunctioning or something like that, but why on April 20-21st of all days? But, I just don't see Prince as having them physically removed--PP is a 60,000 SF facility -- that would take a lot of time to remove all of those cameras and would come at a big expense. And you're right -- if Prince was planning on turning PP into a museum (and I heard that he was planning on building/living in another home)--then, he surely would not have the camera's removed. Prince's entire life was in Paisley Park and I don't think for one second that he would spend any amount of time there, not feeling secure and safe!!

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Like you said, how do we know if there was footage of someone inside PP, besides Prince and the recording was erased? I'm sure the investigator's have all of this knowledge about the camera's. When Sheriff Olson was questioned on the camera's, he really did not want to comment -- why? He didn't say if they had surveillance footage or not.

It is in the search warrant that no security footage exist due to being turned off or removed at the end of the day he had no security. Remember his security guards were given the week off.

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Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

'If dealer found he'll be charged'. Apart from that axiomatic statement, nothing relevant here, just a lot of hot air.

You're very good with the whining I'll humor you just this once. I couldn't care less if you have nothing better to do with your time, but I won't be wasting mine on the likes of you, so move along and pester someone else We'll just sit back and watch you spin your wheels

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cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Clover, if you think that is what I said, then you need to go back and read what I said again. I was pretty clear I thought.

Re the cameras: you'll recall that laura said that Prince's cousin Chazz said the cameras were removed. No one said Prince was stupid but if he had a plan for himself then I don't think the little get together would have detered him.

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I misunderstood your post.

No problem

cloveringold85 said:

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What a sweet puppy! Looks like a Corgi.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Clover, if you think that is what I said, then you need to go back and read what I said again. I was pretty clear I thought.

Re the cameras: you'll recall that laura said that Prince's cousin Chazz said the cameras were removed. No one said Prince was stupid but if he had a plan for himself then I don't think the little get together would have detered him.

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I misunderstood your post.

You're not meant to understand his post. This is what he said...

The other thing you should also consider is that there IS video of exactly what went down at the end, specifically allowed to protect against any of the crazy murder/poisoning theories against anyone out there. That could also explain why there's been no arrests made.

There's nothing clear about it. Either he has a video that proves there's a conspiracy to deflect attention away from what idk. Or he doesn't. And if he doesn't, then his words are meaningless.
Easier perhaps to quote herb4 in future to save time... oooooooooo.....so mysterious [mumio].

Re the cameras scenario, all that shows is someone failing or dropping out of history class.

Mumio said:

Clover, if you think that is what I said, then you need to go back and read what I said again. I was pretty clear I thought.

Re the cameras: you'll recall that laura said that Prince's cousin Chazz said the cameras were removed. No one said Prince was stupid but if he had a plan for himself then I don't think the little get together would have detered him.

Honestly . This is how religions start (myths not limited by history)

fortuneandserendipity said:

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Honestly . This is how religions start (myths not limited by history)

There is no security camera footage. It is does not if the cameras were on or removed. Someone made sure no footage would exist and this fact is not a myth.

Hmm, I’m not really sure what to make of your repeated point about the cameras (or the security being on vacation). I guess I don’t regard Prince as being anywhere near as paranoid as some folks in the past have made him out to be.

After all, how many stars are generous and open enough to share the stage with dancing fans in the way Prince graciously allowed on many occasions? Surely that was potentially a safety risk, which Prince seems to have been comfortable with taking?

Prince was seen cycling about locally and in his local record store latterly, which makes him seem to me pretty grounded for such a huge star, and surprisingly open & accessible to the public.

Moreover, I can’t quite reconcile the image of security conscious Prince with my personal experience a few years ago.

When we got to Paisley Park, we found the gate wide open with not a soul to be seen inside the grounds. We even stopped across the road and discussed whether to chance our arm driving in and popping in to say hi (alas we didn’t).

I might have thought that was a complete fluke, but I read on here some time ago one of the ‘old timers’ (possibly Squirrelmeat, though knowing my memory very probably not) recalling what seemed to me quite a similar experience, encountering no security, except that, if I remember correctly, that poster did trespass and ended up fortuitously meeting Prince briefly!

The Park may have had its own vault, but it hardly seemed to me like Fort Knox in terms of security. However, I have to admit that I feel this perceived absence of security measures doesn’t quite tally up for me with the reported account of Prince warning Apples about certain folks and in particular the nefarious “Jubilant Judas”.

That kinda talk would be more likely to make me envisage a man who thought he needed to be wary and look over his shoulder for fear of a stab in the back from someone close to him (figuratively speaking only of course!), than a man leaving his front door wide open for any ole Sally Sausage to wander in off the street.

Well, I guess I find it all pretty confusing and hard to get my head round. While I am on the subject of confusion, if a slob like me can store and arrange my meds nice & safely all together in a single cupboard, I don’t understand how it can be reported that a man as smart, immaculate and meticulous as Prince would leave umpteen bottles of mixed meds lying around willy-nilly. That baffles me, as it seems so completely unlike Prince to me.

i don't necessarily believe apples for the same reason i don't believe most of the people who say those kinds of things, it seems self-serving. as far as the paranoia, you're right about his accessibility, no major star ever has been that accessible, ever. In fact, i didn't even know how accessible he was, and I'm a major fan, that all came out after he died for the most part. But also, morris hayes said something interesting about how Prince seemed to care less about being the star and being alone in a plane than he used to and began to share his plane with people, maybe he changed, i don't know. He was still quirkily paranoid enough to complain about cleaner tags on his clothes being used against him somehow.

GrayDorian said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said: There is no security camera footage. It is does not if the cameras were on or removed. Someone made sure no footage would exist and this fact is not a myth.

Hmm, I’m not really sure what to make of your repeated point about the cameras (or the security being on vacation). I guess I don’t regard Prince as being anywhere near as paranoid as some folks in the past have made him out to be.

After all, how many stars are generous and open enough to share the stage with dancing fans in the way Prince graciously allowed on many occasions? Surely that was potentially a safety risk, which Prince seems to have been comfortable with taking?

Prince was seen cycling about locally and in his local record store latterly, which makes him seem to me pretty grounded for such a huge star, and surprisingly open & accessible to the public.

Moreover, I can’t quite reconcile the image of security conscious Prince with my personal experience a few years ago.

When we got to Paisley Park, we found the gate wide open with not a soul to be seen inside the grounds. We even stopped across the road and discussed whether to chance our arm driving in and popping in to say hi (alas we didn’t).

I might have thought that was a complete fluke, but I read on here some time ago one of the ‘old timers’ (possibly Squirrelmeat, though knowing my memory very probably not) recalling what seemed to me quite a similar experience, encountering no security, except that, if I remember correctly, that poster did trespass and ended up fortuitously meeting Prince briefly!

The Park may have had its own vault, but it hardly seemed to me like Fort Knox in terms of security. However, I have to admit that I feel this perceived absence of security measures doesn’t quite tally up for me with the reported account of Prince warning Apples about certain folks and in particular the nefarious “Jubilant Judas”.

That kinda talk would be more likely to make me envisage a man who thought he needed to be wary and look over his shoulder for fear of a stab in the back from someone close to him (figuratively speaking only of course!), than a man leaving his front door wide open for any ole Sally Sausage to wander in off the street.

Well, I guess I find it all pretty confusing and hard to get my head round. While I am on the subject of confusion, if a slob like me can store and arrange my meds nice & safely all together in a single cupboard, I don’t understand how it can be reported that a man as smart, immaculate and meticulous as Prince would leave umpteen bottles of mixed meds lying around willy-nilly. That baffles me, as it seems so completely unlike Prince to me.

GrayDorian said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said: There is no security camera footage. It is does not if the cameras were on or removed. Someone made sure no footage would exist and this fact is not a myth.

Hmm, I’m not really sure what to make of your repeated point about the cameras (or the security being on vacation). I guess I don’t regard Prince as being anywhere near as paranoid as some folks in the past have made him out to be.

After all, how many stars are generous and open enough to share the stage with dancing fans in the way Prince graciously allowed on many occasions? Surely that was potentially a safety risk, which Prince seems to have been comfortable with taking?

Prince was seen cycling about locally and in his local record store latterly, which makes him seem to me pretty grounded for such a huge star, and surprisingly open & accessible to the public.

Moreover, I can’t quite reconcile the image of security conscious Prince with my personal experience a few years ago.

When we got to Paisley Park, we found the gate wide open with not a soul to be seen inside the grounds. We even stopped across the road and discussed whether to chance our arm driving in and popping in to say hi (alas we didn’t).

I might have thought that was a complete fluke, but I read on here some time ago one of the ‘old timers’ (possibly Squirrelmeat, though knowing my memory very probably not) recalling what seemed to me quite a similar experience, encountering no security, except that, if I remember correctly, that poster did trespass and ended up fortuitously meeting Prince briefly!

The Park may have had its own vault, but it hardly seemed to me like Fort Knox in terms of security. However, I have to admit that I feel this perceived absence of security measures doesn’t quite tally up for me with the reported account of Prince warning Apples about certain folks and in particular the nefarious “Jubilant Judas”.

That kinda talk would be more likely to make me envisage a man who thought he needed to be wary and look over his shoulder for fear of a stab in the back from someone close to him (figuratively speaking only of course!), than a man leaving his front door wide open for any ole Sally Sausage to wander in off the street.

Well, I guess I find it all pretty confusing and hard to get my head round. While I am on the subject of confusion, if a slob like me can store and arrange my meds nice & safely all together in a single cupboard, I don’t understand how it can be reported that a man as smart, immaculate and meticulous as Prince would leave umpteen bottles of mixed meds lying around willy-nilly. That baffles me, as it seems so completely unlike Prince to me.

Kesha Remembers the Time She Broke Into Prince's House

ya, i remember that, that was crazy, prince was quite gentlemanly about it. I guess it's also true that he wasn't the superstar he was in the 80's, when people would have been risking life and limb to get to him. He still often had bodyguards from what i hear. I remember eddie murphy in the 80's describing how confused he was by the women jumping over his wall trying to get at him "but they are fine" he said as they'd get tackled by security. Celebrity is a bizarre thing i tell you, I remember going to a spike lee talk and looking at the people there a mix of middle aged, and older people who I just knew could not have been that big of Spike fans, older white people. just their for the celebrity visiting town more than anything. I thought it was strange, especially when i left and there was a lady, maybe in her forties, white lady, freaking out because she missed him, just wierd. I just thought "what am i doing here?"

ChocolateBox3121 said:

GrayDorian said:

Hmm, I’m not really sure what to make of your repeated point about the cameras (or the security being on vacation). I guess I don’t regard Prince as being anywhere near as paranoid as some folks in the past have made him out to be.

After all, how many stars are generous and open enough to share the stage with dancing fans in the way Prince graciously allowed on many occasions? Surely that was potentially a safety risk, which Prince seems to have been comfortable with taking?

Prince was seen cycling about locally and in his local record store latterly, which makes him seem to me pretty grounded for such a huge star, and surprisingly open & accessible to the public.

Moreover, I can’t quite reconcile the image of security conscious Prince with my personal experience a few years ago.

When we got to Paisley Park, we found the gate wide open with not a soul to be seen inside the grounds. We even stopped across the road and discussed whether to chance our arm driving in and popping in to say hi (alas we didn’t).

I might have thought that was a complete fluke, but I read on here some time ago one of the ‘old timers’ (possibly Squirrelmeat, though knowing my memory very probably not) recalling what seemed to me quite a similar experience, encountering no security, except that, if I remember correctly, that poster did trespass and ended up fortuitously meeting Prince briefly!

The Park may have had its own vault, but it hardly seemed to me like Fort Knox in terms of security. However, I have to admit that I feel this perceived absence of security measures doesn’t quite tally up for me with the reported account of Prince warning Apples about certain folks and in particular the nefarious “Jubilant Judas”.

That kinda talk would be more likely to make me envisage a man who thought he needed to be wary and look over his shoulder for fear of a stab in the back from someone close to him (figuratively speaking only of course!), than a man leaving his front door wide open for any ole Sally Sausage to wander in off the street.

Well, I guess I find it all pretty confusing and hard to get my head round. While I am on the subject of confusion, if a slob like me can store and arrange my meds nice & safely all together in a single cupboard, I don’t understand how it can be reported that a man as smart, immaculate and meticulous as Prince would leave umpteen bottles of mixed meds lying around willy-nilly. That baffles me, as it seems so completely unlike Prince to me.

Kesha Remembers the Time She Broke Into Prince's House

PeteSilas said:

ya, i remember that, that was crazy, prince was quite gentlemanly about it. I guess it's also true that he wasn't the superstar he was in the 80's, when people would have been risking life and limb to get to him. He still often had bodyguards from what i hear. I remember eddie murphy in the 80's describing how confused he was by the women jumping over his wall trying to get at him "but they are fine" he said as they'd get tackled by security. Celebrity is a bizarre thing i tell you, I remember going to a spike lee talk and looking at the people there a mix of middle aged, and older people who I just knew could not have been that big of Spike fans, older white people. just their for the celebrity visiting town more than anything. I thought it was strange, especially when i left and there was a lady, maybe in her forties, white lady, freaking out because she missed him, just wierd. I just thought "what am i doing here?"

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kesha Remembers the Time She Broke Into Prince's House

Well Prince once said that the reason he still lived in Minneapolis was because the cold kept the bad people away. He felt at peace there. I also feel he became more accessible in the last three years of his life. I remember when I attended his last appearance on The Arsenio Hall Show in 2014. I remember thinking "I never thought I would see the day when Prince would walk out and sit with the audience". But he did.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i remember that, that was crazy, prince was quite gentlemanly about it. I guess it's also true that he wasn't the superstar he was in the 80's, when people would have been risking life and limb to get to him. He still often had bodyguards from what i hear. I remember eddie murphy in the 80's describing how confused he was by the women jumping over his wall trying to get at him "but they are fine" he said as they'd get tackled by security. Celebrity is a bizarre thing i tell you, I remember going to a spike lee talk and looking at the people there a mix of middle aged, and older people who I just knew could not have been that big of Spike fans, older white people. just their for the celebrity visiting town more than anything. I thought it was strange, especially when i left and there was a lady, maybe in her forties, white lady, freaking out because she missed him, just wierd. I just thought "what am i doing here?"

Well Prince once said that the reason he still lived in Minneapolis was because the cold kept the bad people away. He felt at peace there. I also feel he became more accessible in the last three years of his life. I remember when I attended his last appearance on The Arsenio Hall Show in 2014. I remember thinking "I never thought I would see the day when Prince would walk out and sit with the audience". But he did.

that's right, arsenio talked about the difference between the prince who came to his show in 91 and the one who came in 14. How can we account for it? Maybe age, maybe realizing his time was limited, maybe the fact of him not being the hottest guy in the world anymore. who knows, still unusual for anyone to change that drastically. i always thought that the aloof, shy thing was at least partly an act and a calculated public stance.

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I've made the point before, but bears repeating. We don't know for sure the cameras were turned off, or indeed whether all of them were.

But let's say they were. I'm leaning more towards suicide than accidental OD. So if we assume suicide, it would make more sense that they were switched off. Given, in that scenario Prince may not have wanted his last movements caught on CCTV, subject to someone else stealing or appropriating the footage.

Were his private residential areas ever covered by security cameras? I have a hard time imagining that he allowed recordings of himself sleeping, changing, using the bathroom etc. (Same question would apply to other parts of PP.) So he could have just planned his last moments to occur in a non-camera'ed zone, if that was this concern, rather than dismantling the whole system (and just to be clear, my feelings on this line up with the ME's: it was an accidental OD).

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've made the point before, but bears repeating. We don't know for sure the cameras were turned off, or indeed whether all of them were.

But let's say they were. I'm leaning more towards suicide than accidental OD. So if we assume suicide, it would make more sense that they were switched off. Given, in that scenario Prince may not have wanted his last movements caught on CCTV, subject to someone else stealing or appropriating the footage.

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've made the point before, but bears repeating. We don't know for sure the cameras were turned off, or indeed whether all of them were.

But let's say they were. I'm leaning more towards suicide than accidental OD. So if we assume suicide, it would make more sense that they were switched off. Given, in that scenario Prince may not have wanted his last movements caught on CCTV, subject to someone else stealing or appropriating the footage.

that's my thought and has been pretty much from the start. people shout down all the things that seemed like signs, the changing of the twitter icon etc.., too many things said he was ready to check out.

PeteSilas said:

that's my thought and has been pretty much from the start. people shout down all the things that seemed like signs, the changing of the twitter icon etc.., too many things said he was ready to check out.

I think he chose to go. It doesn't make him a lesser person, or denigrate the legacy, but he set it up and then went. JMO

1Sasha said:

I think he chose to go. It doesn't make him a lesser person, or denigrate the legacy, but he set it up and then went. JMO

co-sign...

1Sasha said:

I think he chose to go. It doesn't make him a lesser person, or denigrate the legacy, but he set it up and then went. JMO

Co-sign

It does not matter if he had cameras in his personal living quarters because there is no footage at all, He also did not die in his living quarters. It is an accidental o.d. because he wanted it to like one.

disch said:

Were his private residential areas ever covered by security cameras? I have a hard time imagining that he allowed recordings of himself sleeping, changing, using the bathroom etc. (Same question would apply to other parts of PP.) So he could have just planned his last moments to occur in a non-camera'ed zone, if that was this concern, rather than dismantling the whole system (and just to be clear, my feelings on this line up with the ME's: it was an accidental OD).

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've made the point before, but bears repeating. We don't know for sure the cameras were turned off, or indeed whether all of them were.

But let's say they were. I'm leaning more towards suicide than accidental OD. So if we assume suicide, it would make more sense that they were switched off. Given, in that scenario Prince may not have wanted his last movements caught on CCTV, subject to someone else stealing or appropriating the footage.

the question then is why. I was just reading about an mma fighter, mike bernardo, who killed himself, they don't know why, he was hiv positive and no doubt had brain damage which causes severe depression in a lot of these guys. The older i get the happier i am that I never became the fighter I could have, jesus, i dodged a bullet.