precioux said:

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

[Edited 2/9/18 7:47am]

You make good points. The sibs may feel that they have enough info to make a civil case and may have believed that the criminal investigation would be over by this time. I am sure they have consulted with lawyers to determine the fesiablity of the suit.

I also know that sometimes people are more willing to speak to family members then the cops. Prince was beloved in his hometown and people may have been more willing to help the family then to work with the police in some cases even to prevent themselves from going to jail.

Remember KJ is on a contract with Comerica he is not working for the family and even Elvis's family had to push the cops and medical board to go after Elvis quack doctor.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

[Edited 2/9/18 7:47am]

You make good points. The sibs may feel that they have enough info to make a civil case and may have believed that the criminal investigation would be over by this time. I am sure they have consulted with lawyers to determine the fesiablity of the suit.

I also know that sometimes people are more willing to speak to family members then the cops. Prince was beloved in his hometown and people may have been more willing to help the family then to work with the police in some cases even to prevent themselves from going to jail.

Remember KJ is on a contract with Comerica he is not working for the family and even Elvis's family had to push the cops and medical board to go after Elvis quack doctor.

To the bolded...that's EXACTLY why I wrote that ! KJ is NoT employed by "the family"

and you are right...people are reluctant to speak to the authorities, but may be more comfortable discussing what they know with the family.

Well embarrassing someone and making them suffer financially can be just as bad as a criminal trail. Also you can sue someone all day but they have to actually have money that you can get.

A doctor has malpratice insurance. What does the average person have asset wise.? Look at OJ and the Goldmans. 20 plus years and they will never collect a penny.

So they could be out for money but they might not get it.

disch said:

This may sound cynical, but I think that a potential wrongful-death suit is also an opportunity for the siblings to make money. I don't mean that as a criticism necessarily; that's how our legal system works. But it's possible their motives are different than, say, a fan's might be.

precioux said:

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

[Edited 2/9/18 7:47am]

[Edited 2/9/18 8:17am]

...my thoughts never even went there... you have a point, though. If they are trying to make money, as you say...it will be a LONG time before a payday comes, if in fact it does. Wrongful death civil suits can drag out for years.

disch said:

This may sound cynical, but I think that a potential wrongful-death suit is also an opportunity for the siblings to make money. I don't mean that as a criticism necessarily; that's how our legal system works. But it's possible their motives are different than, say, a fan's might be.

precioux said:

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

[Edited 2/9/18 7:47am]

precioux said:

...my thoughts never even went there... you have a point, though. If they are trying to make money, as you say...it will be a LONG time before a payday comes, if in fact it does. Wrongful death civil suits can drag out for years.

disch said:

This may sound cynical, but I think that a potential wrongful-death suit is also an opportunity for the siblings to make money. I don't mean that as a criticism necessarily; that's how our legal system works. But it's possible their motives are different than, say, a fan's might be.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

A summary of ME's public data (as in "manner of death") vs. an "active investigation"... It's not a homicide, or undetermined. The county attorney( prosecutor) will determine if the data to be released does not impede the investigation. I don't think the public data form included whether or not the death was "conclusive". I would hedge on that. Minnesota statute section13.825 Subd1-4


The reason they are rushing to do this is because they are two months left before the statute of limitations expire. Effectively (3) years to the date of the Prince's death.

Even if they had thought about doing this earlier, soliciting the count attorney, as opposed to the court, was the thing to do. However, there may be a work around regardless of whether an investigation is still on going. I wasn't able to find in the Minnesota State law library archives anything that states that an officer of the court is precluded from compelling witnesses to answer a subpoena because of an active investigation .

They need a P.R. person if they truly believe there was/is a cover up.

Again, what is interesting to note is that Tyka has not requested any of this for almost (3) years.

It will only be 2 years in April 2018, and not 3 years although some days it seems like 3 years.

There is a 3 year statute of limitations for wrongful death cases in Minnesota..

Yes , you are correct. I really did think it was already 3 years, and in haste, wrote that two months was the amount of time left.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, but I want to think they are not so cold toward their brother that it is all about money. If I were in their shoes I would want someone to pay for this. If not criminally at least make their life uncomfortable. I also have no idea of course what went on but we do know that Prince had some people they took advantage of him and that in and of itself is not right.

precioux said:

...my thoughts never even went there... you have a point, though. If they are trying to make money, as you say...it will be a LONG time before a payday comes, if in fact it does. Wrongful death civil suits can drag out for years.

Agree 100%!

[Edited 2/9/18 8:39am]

The thing is, nothing about their statements and actions (I'm talking about the siblings here, not cousin chazz) has indicated that "wanting someone to pay" is a strong motivation for them. For example, Tyka has never said anything publicly that would indicate she feels that way. There might be a lot of reasons for that, but one reason might be that they don't really blame anyone else for Prince's death.

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I'm hesitant to project a certain kind of anger or rage onto them that they haven't really expressed publicly. I don't know what they feel, but none of them have really said anything about those kinds of feelings.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, but I want to think they are not so cold toward their brother that it is all about money. If I were in their shoes I would want someone to pay for this. If not criminally at least make their life uncomfortable. I also have no idea of course what went on but we do know that Prince had some people they took advantage of him and that in and of itself is not right.

precioux said:

...my thoughts never even went there... you have a point, though. If they are trying to make money, as you say...it will be a LONG time before a payday comes, if in fact it does. Wrongful death civil suits can drag out for years.

disch said:

This may sound cynical, but I think that a potential wrongful-death suit is also an opportunity for the siblings to make money. I don't mean that as a criticism necessarily; that's how our legal system works. But it's possible their motives are different than, say, a fan's might be.

precioux said:

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

[Edited 2/9/18 7:47am]

So what is the explanation for Tyka not being involved? Does she have the same legal representation as the other sibs? I think an opposing atty. would have a field day with her/her comments. Deposing her would expose the underbelly of all things related to what she knew and when she knew it and that would get rather ugly.

I highly doubt she saw the full autopsy report ( on-going investigation)and is probably content to let the process play out.

Maybe it's not Tyka...maybe it's Sharon (read Penny's reply#594)

disch said:

The thing is, nothing about their statements and actions (I'm talking about the siblings here, not cousin chazz) has indicated that "wanting someone to pay" is a strong motivation for them. For example, Tyka has never said anything publicly that would indicate she feels that way. There might be a lot of reasons for that, but one reason might be that they don't really blame anyone else for Prince's death.

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I'm hesitant to project a certain kind of anger or rage onto them that they haven't really expressed publicly. I don't know what they feel, but none of them have really said anything about those kinds of feelings.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, but I want to think they are not so cold toward their brother that it is all about money. If I were in their shoes I would want someone to pay for this. If not criminally at least make their life uncomfortable. I also have no idea of course what went on but we do know that Prince had some people they took advantage of him and that in and of itself is not right.

Someone in the family hired an attorney from Ohio who specializes in accidental deaths by OD.

We dont know who this attorney really represents from the pleading filed. We dont know if ALL the siblings hired this attorney or only a few.

Attorneys that practice personal injury and wrongful death are not paid up front. Normally attorneys get 1/3 of any $$ settlement or $$ judgment plus all out-of-pocket expeneses paid up front by the attorney. It is very expensive to litigate wrongful death cases.

Someone is looking for insurance money. Doctors must carry malpractice insurance. They want to go after the deep pocket. The motion states "They also need the data to determine which theories they must assert in making a wrongful death claim, and who the potential defendants and insurers are. The individuals identified in the data will not be harmed because any resulting wrongful death claim is a civil action, in which insurance will likely play a significant role."

I believe the document filed by this attorney represents the family does have the autopsy but they want the ME's investigative file and not just the autopsy summary.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Someone in the family hired an attorney from Ohio who specializes in accidental deaths by OD.

We dont know who this attorney really represents from the pleading filed. We dont know if ALL the siblings hired this attorney or only a few.

Attorneys that practice personal injury and wrongful death are not paid up front. Normally attorneys get 1/3 of any $$ settlement or $$ judgment plus all out-of-pocket expeneses paid up front by the attorney. It is very expensive to litigate wrongful death cases.

Someone is looking for insurance money. Doctors must carry malpractice insurance. They want to go after the deep pocket. The motion states "They also need the data to determine which theories they must assert in making a wrongful death claim, and who the potential defendants and insurers are. The individuals identified in the data will not be harmed because any resulting wrongful death claim is a civil action, in which insurance will likely play a significant role."

I believe the document filed by this attorney represents the family does have the autopsy but they want the ME's investigative file and not just the autopsy summary.

Thanks so much, that was exactly what I wanted to know. No way they don't have the autopsy report.

Don't waste your time some people think that Prince only had one sibling and someone how she has inherited everything.

precioux said:

Maybe it's not Tyka...maybe it's Sharon (read Penny's reply#594)

disch said:

The thing is, nothing about their statements and actions (I'm talking about the siblings here, not cousin chazz) has indicated that "wanting someone to pay" is a strong motivation for them. For example, Tyka has never said anything publicly that would indicate she feels that way. There might be a lot of reasons for that, but one reason might be that they don't really blame anyone else for Prince's death.

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I'm hesitant to project a certain kind of anger or rage onto them that they haven't really expressed publicly. I don't know what they feel, but none of them have really said anything about those kinds of feelings.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Someone in the family hired an attorney from Ohio who specializes in accidental deaths by OD.

We dont know who this attorney really represents from the pleading filed. We dont know if ALL the siblings hired this attorney or only a few.

Attorneys that practice personal injury and wrongful death are not paid up front. Normally attorneys get 1/3 of any $$ settlement or $$ judgment plus all out-of-pocket expeneses paid up front by the attorney. It is very expensive to litigate wrongful death cases.

Someone is looking for insurance money. Doctors must carry malpractice insurance. They want to go after the deep pocket. The motion states "They also need the data to determine which theories they must assert in making a wrongful death claim, and who the potential defendants and insurers are. The individuals identified in the data will not be harmed because any resulting wrongful death claim is a civil action, in which insurance will likely play a significant role."

I believe the document filed by this attorney represents the family does have the autopsy but they want the ME's investigative file and not just the autopsy summary.

HELLO!!!!!

Laura, that nasty tone is uncalled for and it's unfortunate that you add it into an otherwise very civil discussion. In my comment, I gave Tyka as an example; I didn't say she was the only sibling.

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The injection of nastiness is a sign that it's time for me to check from this conversation.

laurarichardson said:

Don't waste your time some people think that Prince only had one sibling and someone how she has inherited everything.

precioux said:

Maybe it's not Tyka...maybe it's Sharon (read Penny's reply#594)

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Someone in the family hired an attorney from Ohio who specializes in accidental deaths by OD.

We dont know who this attorney really represents from the pleading filed. We dont know if ALL the siblings hired this attorney or only a few.

Attorneys that practice personal injury and wrongful death are not paid up front. Normally attorneys get 1/3 of any $$ settlement or $$ judgment plus all out-of-pocket expeneses paid up front by the attorney. It is very expensive to litigate wrongful death cases.

Someone is looking for insurance money. Doctors must carry malpractice insurance. They want to go after the deep pocket. The motion states "They also need the data to determine which theories they must assert in making a wrongful death claim, and who the potential defendants and insurers are. The individuals identified in the data will not be harmed because any resulting wrongful death claim is a civil action, in which insurance will likely play a significant role."

I believe the document filed by this attorney represents the family does have the autopsy but they want the ME's investigative file and not just the autopsy summary.

Confused. I am reading that they only have seen the short report the same report that we the public saw?

I was not referencing you I was referencing Menes. Everything is not about you.

disch said:

Laura, that nasty tone is uncalled for and it's unfortunate that you add it into an otherwise very civil discussion. In my comment, I gave Tyka as an example; I didn't say she was the only sibling.

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The injection of nastiness is a sign that it's time for me to check from this conversation.

laurarichardson said:

Don't waste your time some people think that Prince only had one sibling and someone how she has inherited everything.

The post that you responded to when you made the nasty comment was mine. (You were admonishing Precioux for responding to my post -- the 2 posts quoted in your posts were mine, then precioux's response to me). There's no way anyone would know you were actually talking to Menes.

laurarichardson said:

I was not referencing you I was referencing Menes. Everything is not about you.

disch said:

Laura, that nasty tone is uncalled for and it's unfortunate that you add it into an otherwise very civil discussion. In my comment, I gave Tyka as an example; I didn't say she was the only sibling.

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The injection of nastiness is a sign that it's time for me to check from this conversation.

Relax you now know who I was referencing and I was responding to Precioux comments. Too many people not you who act like Tyka is the only sibling while SNJ has really been the sibs who have been beyond obnoxious.

For all we know all of the sibs could be in on this or only one or two. We simply do not know and if no one did anything wrong then whoever is going to be sued has no worries.

I surely hope you are not feeling sorry for whoever is being sued.

disch said:

The post that you responded to when you made the nasty comment was mine. (You were admonishing Precioux for responding to my post -- the 2 posts quoted in your posts were mine, then precioux's response to me). There's no way anyone would know you were actually talking to Menes.

laurarichardson said:

I was not referencing you I was referencing Menes. Everything is not about you.

I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure you have....

In the state of Mn, does the full autopsy report automatically go to the "next of kin", or can a criminal investigation hinder that info from being passed on to them?

Thanks in advance

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Someone in the family hired an attorney from Ohio who specializes in accidental deaths by OD.

We dont know who this attorney really represents from the pleading filed. We dont know if ALL the siblings hired this attorney or only a few.

Attorneys that practice personal injury and wrongful death are not paid up front. Normally attorneys get 1/3 of any $$ settlement or $$ judgment plus all out-of-pocket expeneses paid up front by the attorney. It is very expensive to litigate wrongful death cases.

Someone is looking for insurance money. Doctors must carry malpractice insurance. They want to go after the deep pocket. The motion states "They also need the data to determine which theories they must assert in making a wrongful death claim, and who the potential defendants and insurers are. The individuals identified in the data will not be harmed because any resulting wrongful death claim is a civil action, in which insurance will likely play a significant role."

I believe the document filed by this attorney represents the family does have the autopsy but they want the ME's investigative file and not just the autopsy summary.

[Edited 2/9/18 9:27am]

laurarichardson said:

I was not referencing you I was referencing Menes. Everything is not about you.

disch said:

Laura, that nasty tone is uncalled for and it's unfortunate that you add it into an otherwise very civil discussion. In my comment, I gave Tyka as an example; I didn't say she was the only sibling.

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The injection of nastiness is a sign that it's time for me to check from this conversation.

Yes, your tone was/is always nasty because you don't take your time to READ a full and complete post. You pick at everything lika an old hen. The question I posed was whether or not Tyka had the same attorney because of "relevance" to the matter. Do you even get what that word means? Me asking a question does in no way indicate you knowing the interpretation. Go read a book.

precioux said:

I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure you have....

In the state of Mn, does the full autopsy report automatically go to the "next of kin", or can a criminal investigation hinder that info from being passed on to them?

Thanks in advance

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Someone in the family hired an attorney from Ohio who specializes in accidental deaths by OD.

We dont know who this attorney really represents from the pleading filed. We dont know if ALL the siblings hired this attorney or only a few.

Attorneys that practice personal injury and wrongful death are not paid up front. Normally attorneys get 1/3 of any $$ settlement or $$ judgment plus all out-of-pocket expeneses paid up front by the attorney. It is very expensive to litigate wrongful death cases.

Someone is looking for insurance money. Doctors must carry malpractice insurance. They want to go after the deep pocket. The motion states "They also need the data to determine which theories they must assert in making a wrongful death claim, and who the potential defendants and insurers are. The individuals identified in the data will not be harmed because any resulting wrongful death claim is a civil action, in which insurance will likely play a significant role."

I believe the document filed by this attorney represents the family does have the autopsy but they want the ME's investigative file and not just the autopsy summary.

[Edited 2/9/18 9:27am]

Minnesota statute 13.825 Subd 1-4 . The county attorney decides what is released if there is an on going investigation. I don't think they have the full autopsy report.

Menes said:

precioux said:

I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure you have....

In the state of Mn, does the full autopsy report automatically go to the "next of kin", or can a criminal investigation hinder that info from being passed on to them?

Thanks in advance

[Edited 2/9/18 9:27am]

Minnesota statute 13.825 Subd 1-4 . The county attorney decides what is released if there is an on going investigation. I don't think they have the full autopsy report.

Menes, are you a lawyer or somehow involved in the legal profession? I am asking because I am curious that you are looking at MN statutes? Thanks.

You are constantly throwing shade at Tyka for all sort of crazy ass reasons which have no basis in fact. I could back and pull up all your bullshit about her. It is crazy and silly. You need to go and get a life you lost all credibility with your race baiting ghetto comments.

You do not need to read a book you need to get off your high and mighty cloud.

Now this lawsit stuff is coming out and it looks like your text book explanation for everything surrounding this stituation is looking to be wrong.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I was not referencing you I was referencing Menes. Everything is not about you.

Yes, your tone was/is always nasty because you don't take your time to READ a full and complete post. You pick at everything lika an old hen. The question I posed was whether or not Tyka had the same attorney because of "relevance" to the matter. Do you even get what that word means? Me asking a question does in no way indicate you knowing the interpretation. Go read a book.

laurarichardson said:

You are constantly throwing shade at Tyka for all sort of crazy ass reasons which have no basis in fact. I could back and pull up all your bullshit about her. It is crazy and silly. You need to go and get a life you lost all credibility with your race baiting ghetto comments.

You do not need to read a book you need to get off your high and mighty cloud.

Now this lawsit stuff is coming out and it looks like your text book explanation for everything surrounding this stituation is looking to be wrong.

Menes said:

Yes, your tone was/is always nasty because you don't take your time to READ a full and complete post. You pick at everything lika an old hen. The question I posed was whether or not Tyka had the same attorney because of "relevance" to the matter. Do you even get what that word means? Me asking a question does in no way indicate you knowing the interpretation. Go read a book.

Shade? Lol. There you go. If by "shade" you mean pointing out the obvious, then "shade" it is. Expand your horizon. Go read a book.

Menes said:

disch said:

This may sound cynical, but I think that a potential wrongful-death suit is also an opportunity for the siblings to make money. I don't mean that as a criticism necessarily; that's how our legal system works. But it's possible their motives are different than, say, a fan's might be.

So what is the explanation for Tyka not being involved? Does she have the same legal representation as the other sibs? I think an opposing atty. would have a field day with her/her comments. Deposing her would expose the underbelly of all things related to what she knew and when she knew it and that would get rather ugly.

I highly doubt she saw the full autopsy report ( on-going investigation)and is probably content to let the process play out.

Who said Tyka isn't involved? The court paper states that it is Prince's siblings who are trying to get the info to their lawyers to see if they can move forward with a wrongful death lawsuit.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

You are constantly throwing shade at Tyka for all sort of crazy ass reasons which have no basis in fact. I could back and pull up all your bullshit about her. It is crazy and silly. You need to go and get a life you lost all credibility with your race baiting ghetto comments.

You do not need to read a book you need to get off your high and mighty cloud.

Now this lawsit stuff is coming out and it looks like your text book explanation for everything surrounding this stituation is looking to be wrong.

Shade? Lol. There you go. If by "shade" you mean pointing out the obvious, then "shade" it is. Expand your horizon. Go read a book.

Go back and read your own post and this nonsense ( Deposing her would expose the underbelly of all things related to what she knew and when she knew it and that would get rather ugly)

Stop living in a fantasy world.

What fucking underbelly. You sound nuts.

[Edited 2/9/18 10:03am]

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

So what is the explanation for Tyka not being involved? Does she have the same legal representation as the other sibs? I think an opposing atty. would have a field day with her/her comments. Deposing her would expose the underbelly of all things related to what she knew and when she knew it and that would get rather ugly.

I highly doubt she saw the full autopsy report ( on-going investigation)and is probably content to let the process play out.

Who said Tyka isn't involved? The court paper states that it is Prince's siblings who are trying to get the info to their lawyers to see if they can move forward with a wrongful death lawsuit.

That is the thing no one said it was her. Some people have laser like focus on her for some odd reason.

Menes said:

precioux said:

I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure you have....

In the state of Mn, does the full autopsy report automatically go to the "next of kin", or can a criminal investigation hinder that info from being passed on to them?

Thanks in advance

[Edited 2/9/18 9:27am]

Minnesota statute 13.825 Subd 1-4 . The county attorney decides what is released if there is an on going investigation. I don't think they have the full autopsy report.

Im confused. Minnesota statute 13.825 is a statute about Portable Recording Systems.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Shade? Lol. There you go. If by "shade" you mean pointing out the obvious, then "shade" it is. Expand your horizon. Go read a book.

Go back and read your own post and this nonsense ( Deposing her would expose the underbelly of all things related to what she knew and when she knew it and that would get rather ugly)

Stop living in a fantasy world.

What fucking underbelly. You sound nuts.

[Edited 2/9/18 10:03am]

You read it. "Shade" as you so eloquently identify that statement as, is qualified as what normally happens in a deposition. It could be "shade". Aren't you a "christian? What's with the profanity?