purplefam99 said:

I think people who truly commit suicide do it by hanging or shooting. I think true pill suicides have notes and definitive signs. I don’t think addicts choose there method of getting high as their out. Whether they are street addicts or those that have become habituated to Rx meds. Imo.

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I agree. Dr. Drew stated that usually when someone wants to OD/suicide, they will just take a bunch of pills and go to bed. Personally, I do not think that Prince wanted to die in an elevator. If Dr. Schulemberg knew Prince was severely depressed, I'm sure he would have stepped-in and done something about it. A doctor can see the signs of depression.

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I'm not implying that Dr. Schulemberg was responsible for Prince's death, but I do think that he made special provisions for Prince, and that was not the wise thing to do, imo.

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

I think people who truly commit suicide do it by hanging or shooting. I think true pill suicides have notes and definitive signs. I don’t think addicts choose there method of getting high as their out. Whether they are street addicts or those that have become habituated to Rx meds. Imo.

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I agree. Dr. Drew stated that usually when someone wants to OD/suicide, they will just take a bunch of pills and go to bed. Personally, I do not think that Prince wanted to die in an elevator. If Dr. Schulemberg knew Prince was severely depressed, I'm sure he would have stepped-in and done something about it. A doctor can see the signs of depression.

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I'm not implying that Dr. Schulemberg was responsible for Prince's death, but I do think that he made special provisions for Prince, and that was not the wise thing to do, imo.

You cannot force meds on people and Prince already had a load of Rxs some of which do not go together. Once again. Why would a knowledable junky take the bootlegg stuff when he had doctor hooking him up?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

I think people who truly commit suicide do it by hanging or shooting. I think true pill suicides have notes and definitive signs. I don’t think addicts choose there method of getting high as their out. Whether they are street addicts or those that have become habituated to Rx meds. Imo.

I do not know too many black folk who hang themselves. I think Prince's issues were deeper then drug addiction. I have also thought just by some of his lyrics that he was depressed and I think health issues especially somethink debilitating could have push him right over the edge.

He lived to play music and seemed to be a social person. Just think if it was all going away. Like I said before he had access to real pills and he was no street junky. He could get relief from withdrawals anytime and anywhere.

He could get doctors to write prescriptions, but since 2013 (I believe), the government began to closely monitor how many narcotic prescriptions doctors were writing. This would have limited Prince's access to the legitimate pills causing him to supplement with street drugs.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not know too many black folk who hang themselves. I think Prince's issues were deeper then drug addiction. I have also thought just by some of his lyrics that he was depressed and I think health issues especially somethink debilitating could have push him right over the edge.

He lived to play music and seemed to be a social person. Just think if it was all going away. Like I said before he had access to real pills and he was no street junky. He could get relief from withdrawals anytime and anywhere.

He could get doctors to write prescriptions, but since 2013 (I believe), the government began to closely monitor how many narcotic prescriptions doctors were writing. This would have limited Prince's access to the legitimate pills causing him to supplement with street drugs.

Thats an interesting perspective except there is such a thing as DOctor SHopping

Michael Jackson had perscriptions from varying sources, and it had been going on for years,

If MJ could obtain legal pills this way, then Prince certainly could have.

and DOnt forget this was a guy who was very careful what he put into his body.

He ate organic towards the end....

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree. Dr. Drew stated that usually when someone wants to OD/suicide, they will just take a bunch of pills and go to bed. Personally, I do not think that Prince wanted to die in an elevator. If Dr. Schulemberg knew Prince was severely depressed, I'm sure he would have stepped-in and done something about it. A doctor can see the signs of depression.

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I'm not implying that Dr. Schulemberg was responsible for Prince's death, but I do think that he made special provisions for Prince, and that was not the wise thing to do, imo.

You cannot force meds on people and Prince already had a load of Rxs some of which do not go together. Once again. Why would a knowledable junky take the bootlegg stuff when he had doctor hooking him up?

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I know you can't force meds on anyone. Why was he mixing so many drugs then? I'm sure Dr. Schulemberg didn't do that.

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Wait.....did you say Prince was a junkie?

Menes said:

leec1 said:

I am not sure if this article was posted previously or not so I am providing the link below.

When I read this, I think Sheila E. implies but does not directly state the issue was drugs.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/30/sheila-e-on-her-prince-tribute-concert-and-death-its-really-hard

Even if you didn't have an alleged statement by Sheila, or any other close confidants/family members, his actions are resounding.

When Prince canceled upcoming gigs for the 18th of April in St.Louis,(while negotiations were going on in Atlanta) look at his actions during that same period of time. There are clear cut signs of him trying to elude to something else other than withdrawals, but in actuality, Prince was weaning himself off of opiate dependency. Within the construct of time, behavior and symptoms are key to understanding.

Dr. Schulenberg prescribing Clonidine for Prince on a particular date after his return, was no accident. This is very normal when you are weaning. This is not pseudo science, but facts. This is a doctor who was trying to stabilize a patient. I have no idea why he was demonized, but the facts do not support that he did not understand and know that Prince was addicted.

There are points of behavioral reference that supports that Prince had to have known tbat he had a problem with substance abuse. If one allows for some degree of inductive reasoning, it would still be hard to make the argument that he would want to wean himself off of the very thing that gives you relief form something terminal.

leec1 said:

i totally agree with you.

Lovejunky said:

tmo1965 said:

He could get doctors to write prescriptions, but since 2013 (I believe), the government began to closely monitor how many narcotic prescriptions doctors were writing. This would have limited Prince's access to the legitimate pills causing him to supplement with street drugs.

Thats an interesting perspective except there is such a thing as DOctor SHopping

Michael Jackson had perscriptions from varying sources, and it had been going on for years,

If MJ could obtain legal pills this way, then Prince certainly could have.

and DOnt forget this was a guy who was very careful what he put into his body.

He ate organic towards the end....

They didn't have the prescription controls program back when MJ was doing it.

I still think he did not know there was fentanyl in those pills.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

You cannot force meds on people and Prince already had a load of Rxs some of which do not go together. Once again. Why would a knowledable junky take the bootlegg stuff when he had doctor hooking him up?

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I know you can't force meds on anyone. Why was he mixing so many drugs then? I'm sure Dr. Schulemberg didn't do that.

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Wait.....did you say Prince was a junkie?

I guess LR doesn't believe he had a 'terminal' illness anymore...except being a drug addict...things are getting interesting here.

PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

Thats an interesting perspective except there is such a thing as DOctor SHopping

Michael Jackson had perscriptions from varying sources, and it had been going on for years,

If MJ could obtain legal pills this way, then Prince certainly could have.

and DOnt forget this was a guy who was very careful what he put into his body.

He ate organic towards the end....

They didn't have the prescription controls program back when MJ was doing it.

I still think he did not know there was fentanyl in those pills.

I dont think he KNEW there was Fentanyl in those pills either..

My POINT was..

he could have gotten LEGAL prescriptions if he needed them..

He was PRINCE for gods sake and People treated him as such...

PLUS...To anyone who was treating him, it would have been obvious that he was

not loopy, or drug addled..He was crystal clear in his mind

always considered in his speech and worked like a veritable Dog right till the end.

No doctor would have denied him help in the light of all that ,

there

was nothing to set off alarm bells like

Uh Oh this guy has all the Hallmarks of an Addict !!!!

POINT is things have changed 110% since MJ was getting his drugs.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I know you can't force meds on anyone. Why was he mixing so many drugs then? I'm sure Dr. Schulemberg didn't do that.

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Wait.....did you say Prince was a junkie?

I guess LR doesn't believe he had a 'terminal' illness anymore...except being a drug addict...things are getting interesting here.

Laura was being sarcastic....!!!

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

I think people who truly commit suicide do it by hanging or shooting. I think true pill suicides have notes and definitive signs. I don’t think addicts choose there method of getting high as their out. Whether they are street addicts or those that have become habituated to Rx meds. Imo.

I do not know too many black folk who hang themselves. I think Prince's issues were deeper then drug addiction. I have also thought just by some of his lyrics that he was depressed and I think health issues especially somethink debilitating could have push him right over the edge.

He lived to play music and seemed to be a social person. Just think if it was all going away. Like I said before he had access to real pills and he was no street junky. He could get relief from withdrawals anytime and anywhere.

i do not see a person choosing "die with dignity" as having the same state of mind as typical suicides.

i can see if he had a terminal illness that he would perhaps be a supporter of death with dignity.

leec1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

casi1 said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not know too many black folk who hang themselves. I think Prince's issues were deeper then drug addiction. I have also thought just by some of his lyrics that he was depressed and I think health issues especially somethink debilitating could have push him right over the edge.

He lived to play music and seemed to be a social person. Just think if it was all going away. Like I said before he had access to real pills and he was no street junky. He could get relief from withdrawals anytime and anywhere.

Totally agree. We all have issues but I think Prince had a lot going on (possible physical issues, emotional issues, financial issues, relationship issues, aging alone, overworked, if we believe the dementia story then imagine believing that you are losing your talent or the thing that makes you special... people say he hated being alone, etc) and depression doesnt help at all. Pain pill usage doesnt mix well with any of that. I'm starting to think that what happened can be summed up as a perfect storm with everything coming to a head and turned out to be too much for him. Say the pills get you through the day but then you are given the shots and every drop of opiate is wiped from your system. Lots of folks die within days of that scenario. I just think everything became too much [Edited 2/7/18 13:24pm]

I wonder if he had been in a happy steady relationship at the time if things would have gone differently.

I mean having someone close to him who knew what was going down and helped him.

How come all those recent girlfriends , I mean the last few are not saying anything about all this ?

Andy Hallo and the chick who was on the\plane just seem to talk about how much he helped them in their careers bla blabla ,why dont they give their oppinions about what happened to him ?

suely they would ...should know more than we do?

Had he given up on relationships in the last few years or what / why was there no close love interest at the time ?

[Edited 2/8/18 1:47am]

Lovejunky said:

sonshine said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

You cannot force meds on people and Prince already had a load of Rxs some of which do not go together. Once again. Why would a knowledable junky take the bootlegg stuff when he had doctor hooking him up?

.

I know you can't force meds on anyone. Why was he mixing so many drugs then? I'm sure Dr. Schulemberg didn't do that.

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Wait.....did you say Prince was a junkie?

I guess LR doesn't believe he had a 'terminal' illness anymore...except being a drug addict...things are getting interesting here.

It's very telling. I suspected all along that she finds drug use/abuse/dependence/addiction detestable. Hence the lengths she has gone to change the narrative. In fact, she is the only one (or one of very few) who actually uses degrading terms like "junky". So concerned that he not be remembered as "just another OD'd rock star" yet she is the only one who uses that kind of language when speaking of Prince.

leec1 said:

Menes said:

Even if you didn't have an alleged statement by Sheila, or any other close confidants/family members, his actions are resounding.

When Prince canceled upcoming gigs for the 18th of April in St.Louis,(while negotiations were going on in Atlanta) look at his actions during that same period of time. There are clear cut signs of him trying to elude to something else other than withdrawals, but in actuality, Prince was weaning himself off of opiate dependency. Within the construct of time, behavior and symptoms are key to understanding.

Dr. Schulenberg prescribing Clonidine for Prince on a particular date after his return, was no accident. This is very normal when you are weaning. This is not pseudo science, but facts. This is a doctor who was trying to stabilize a patient. I have no idea why he was demonized, but the facts do not support that he did not understand and know that Prince was addicted.

There are points of behavioral reference that supports that Prince had to have known tbat he had a problem with substance abuse. If one allows for some degree of inductive reasoning, it would still be hard to make the argument that he would want to wean himself off of the very thing that gives you relief form something terminal.

leec1 said:

i totally agree with you.

If you have any sort of organ failure you have to stop taking pain meds and would have to move to cancer fighting drugs. I have never said Prince was not dealing with a problem with pain meds. What I think and this is just what I think from the info I have is that he had acclerated his pain meds due to pain he was either already having and/or increased pain from another illness. If he had anything wrong with his organs he would have had to stop using pain meds and move to cancer fighting or organ failure drugs if he was going to be figithing those illness at all.

What I know is that we now have news reports that the estate is trying to get the police file to move forward with a malpractice suit. Which I mentioned before was rumored about back in the fall of 2016.

I doubt that family members want to file a suit against any doctor to say " You made our brother a dope addict". I think other things were going with his health that may have been mismanaged or not attended to correctly. We shall soon see.

[Edited 2/8/18 7:40am]

the fentanyl thing never made much sense either, didn't they say that they didn't find evidence that there was no evidence of long term fentanyl use? Was it true? So, the rare time he takes it he gets a kill pill huh?

PeteSilas said:

the fentanyl thing never made much sense either, didn't they say that they didn't find evidence that there was no evidence of long term fentanyl use? Was it true? So, the rare time he takes it he gets a kill pill huh?

Yes, we were told early on that no Fentanyl was in his system the day before from hospital test.

He was not found to be a user of Fentanyl.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

the fentanyl thing never made much sense either, didn't they say that they didn't find evidence that there was no evidence of long term fentanyl use? Was it true? So, the rare time he takes it he gets a kill pill huh?

Yes, we were told early on that no Fentanyl was in his system the day before from hospital test.

He was not found to be a user of Fentanyl.

when i think about it though, how much do doctors know about anything? lance armstrong got away with doping for how many years? different drugs leave different and longer or shorter signs of usage.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, we were told early on that no Fentanyl was in his system the day before from hospital test.

He was not found to be a user of Fentanyl.

when i think about it though, how much do doctors know about anything? lance armstrong got away with doping for how many years? different drugs leave different and longer or shorter signs of usage.

YEs, but he was in the hospital the day before. If he had blood work they would know and he was having withdrawal problems so we know the doctors/hospital would be aware and able to do test that included a screening for drugs.

Also some drugs stay in your system for a while.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

when i think about it though, how much do doctors know about anything? lance armstrong got away with doping for how many years? different drugs leave different and longer or shorter signs of usage.

YEs, but he was in the hospital the day before. If he had blood work they would know and he was having withdrawal problems so we know the doctors/hospital would be aware and able to do test that included a screening for drugs.

Also some drugs stay in your system for a while.

i'm just saying what i' been saying all along, fucking doctors are just human. I still remember about 12 years ago arguing with a doctor about lance armstrong, telling him how obvious it was he was doping, the doctor was insisten that no, lance was clean. just as human as you and me.

Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

They didn't have the prescription controls program back when MJ was doing it.

I still think he did not know there was fentanyl in those pills.

I dont think he KNEW there was Fentanyl in those pills either..

My POINT was..

he could have gotten LEGAL prescriptions if he needed them..

He was PRINCE for gods sake and People treated him as such...

PLUS...To anyone who was treating him, it would have been obvious that he was

not loopy, or drug addled..He was crystal clear in his mind

always considered in his speech and worked like a veritable Dog right till the end.

No doctor would have denied him help in the light of all that ,

there

was nothing to set off alarm bells like

Uh Oh this guy has all the Hallmarks of an Addict !!!!

1. He could have gotten legal prescriptions, but not at the rate he would have needed them .

2. Prince did not take a "one and off" kill pill. I do not believe that Prince started taking percocets or fentanyl laced pills (7) seven days before his death.

3. Dr. Schulenberg knew Prince was dependent, and he also knew Prince was dealing with symptoms from withdrawals. You would have to believe that all the technology available to Dr. Schulenberg went AWOL during Prince's visits/ analysis.

4. Dr. Schulenberg did try to help Prince. There is only so much you can do.

5. Prince was very careful to mask any signs of addiction. One may believe that you have to look, act a certain way in order to be " addicted", but that "look/act" is usually determined by social class, money and status. Have you ever worked/socialize with someone you didn't know was addicted? It is a strange feeling when you find out. Your whole perception changes even if the person is capable of producing the same results( or better) than you, is nice, intelligent and respectful. You would discard those positive characteristics and replace them with all things negative.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

YEs, but he was in the hospital the day before. If he had blood work they would know and he was having withdrawal problems so we know the doctors/hospital would be aware and able to do test that included a screening for drugs.

Also some drugs stay in your system for a while.

i'm just saying what i' been saying all along, fucking doctors are just human. I still remember about 12 years ago arguing with a doctor about lance armstrong, telling him how obvious it was he was doping, the doctor was insisten that no, lance was clean. just as human as you and me.

I think Lance paid his doctors off. Remember Prince was under a doctor's care and his records were seized. Dr. S is still working and is not under any sort of investigation however, this news below makes me wonder if he or other doctors may be sued for malpractice.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/princes-family-seeks-info-on-his-death/

CHASKA, Minn. (CN) — Prince’s siblings told a Minnesota court they cannot decide whether to file a wrongful-death suit for the superstar’s death because the county sheriff’s, medical examiner’s and attorney’s offices have denied them access to investigative data.

Prince Rogers Nelson died on April 21, 2016, apparently of an accidental overdose of fentanyl. He was 57.

In a Wednesday memorandum to Carver County Court, the trustees for Prince’s siblings say they have “requested all investigative data Carver County has regarding Mr. Nelson’s death but the county denied their request.”

The medical examiner’s office said the requested data is private or nonpublic; and the county called information confidential and said release of it “may impede the ongoing investigation and therefore disclosure is not in the public interest.”

But the family says they won’t disclose the data to anyone but their attorneys, unless under court order, and that the statute of limitations on a wrongful death suit is running. And if the family does sue, they could do so under seal or under a protective order.

“With this type of protective order in place, no information will escape, and the investigation will not be harmed,” according to the 5-page memorandum of law in support of the trustees’ motion to compel production of data.

Prince’s estate is represented by Matthew Barber with Schwebel, Goetz & Sieben in Minneapolis.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm just saying what i' been saying all along, fucking doctors are just human. I still remember about 12 years ago arguing with a doctor about lance armstrong, telling him how obvious it was he was doping, the doctor was insisten that no, lance was clean. just as human as you and me.

I think Lance paid his doctors off. Remember Prince was under a doctor's care and his records were seized. Dr. S is still working and is not under any sort of investigation however, this news below makes me wonder if he or other doctors may be sued for malpractice.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/princes-family-seeks-info-on-his-death/

CHASKA, Minn. (CN) — Prince’s siblings told a Minnesota court they cannot decide whether to file a wrongful-death suit for the superstar’s death because the county sheriff’s, medical examiner’s and attorney’s offices have denied them access to investigative data.

Prince Rogers Nelson died on April 21, 2016, apparently of an accidental overdose of fentanyl. He was 57.

In a Wednesday memorandum to Carver County Court, the trustees for Prince’s siblings say they have “requested all investigative data Carver County has regarding Mr. Nelson’s death but the county denied their request.”

The medical examiner’s office said the requested data is private or nonpublic; and the county called information confidential and said release of it “may impede the ongoing investigation and therefore disclosure is not in the public interest.”

But the family says they won’t disclose the data to anyone but their attorneys, unless under court order, and that the statute of limitations on a wrongful death suit is running. And if the family does sue, they could do so under seal or under a protective order.

“With this type of protective order in place, no information will escape, and the investigation will not be harmed,” according to the 5-page memorandum of law in support of the trustees’ motion to compel production of data.

Prince’s estate is represented by Matthew Barber with Schwebel, Goetz & Sieben in Minneapolis.

So much for next of kin having access to information deemed non public. Two months left.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I think Lance paid his doctors off. Remember Prince was under a doctor's care and his records were seized. Dr. S is still working and is not under any sort of investigation however, this news below makes me wonder if he or other doctors may be sued for malpractice.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/princes-family-seeks-info-on-his-death/

CHASKA, Minn. (CN) — Prince’s siblings told a Minnesota court they cannot decide whether to file a wrongful-death suit for the superstar’s death because the county sheriff’s, medical examiner’s and attorney’s offices have denied them access to investigative data.

Prince Rogers Nelson died on April 21, 2016, apparently of an accidental overdose of fentanyl. He was 57.

In a Wednesday memorandum to Carver County Court, the trustees for Prince’s siblings say they have “requested all investigative data Carver County has regarding Mr. Nelson’s death but the county denied their request.”

The medical examiner’s office said the requested data is private or nonpublic; and the county called information confidential and said release of it “may impede the ongoing investigation and therefore disclosure is not in the public interest.”

But the family says they won’t disclose the data to anyone but their attorneys, unless under court order, and that the statute of limitations on a wrongful death suit is running. And if the family does sue, they could do so under seal or under a protective order.

“With this type of protective order in place, no information will escape, and the investigation will not be harmed,” according to the 5-page memorandum of law in support of the trustees’ motion to compel production of data.

Prince’s estate is represented by Matthew Barber with Schwebel, Goetz & Sieben in Minneapolis.

So much for next of kin having access to information deemed non public. Two months left.

I don't think the law firm represents Tyka.

lance had all kinds of people on his ass for years and he arrogantly lied to everyone, i just watched a docu on it. there was some explanation about how he could get away with using epo because it's out of the system pretty quickly, in fact, i was always sure one of our eras great boxers Manny pacquiao was on epo. It all depends on how strict testing is and how serious they are about stopping drugging. My personal opinion on the subject is, they should either allow it or not allow it so that there is a level playing field, the guy who knows how to fool the tests shouldn't get an edge because of it.

at any rate, with lance it was obvious, guy had cancer, almost died and comes back to win the most grueling contest in the world, something is wrong with that picture. It's almost like michael jackson lying about his plastic surgery, it's like a little kid saying he didn't eat chococalite cake with crumbs and shit all around his mouth.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm just saying what i' been saying all along, fucking doctors are just human. I still remember about 12 years ago arguing with a doctor about lance armstrong, telling him how obvious it was he was doping, the doctor was insisten that no, lance was clean. just as human as you and me.

I think Lance paid his doctors off. Remember Prince was under a doctor's care and his records were seized. Dr. S is still working and is not under any sort of investigation however, this news below makes me wonder if he or other doctors may be sued for malpractice.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/princes-family-seeks-info-on-his-death/

CHASKA, Minn. (CN) — Prince’s siblings told a Minnesota court they cannot decide whether to file a wrongful-death suit for the superstar’s death because the county sheriff’s, medical examiner’s and attorney’s offices have denied them access to investigative data.

Prince Rogers Nelson died on April 21, 2016, apparently of an accidental overdose of fentanyl. He was 57.

In a Wednesday memorandum to Carver County Court, the trustees for Prince’s siblings say they have “requested all investigative data Carver County has regarding Mr. Nelson’s death but the county denied their request.”

The medical examiner’s office said the requested data is private or nonpublic; and the county called information confidential and said release of it “may impede the ongoing investigation and therefore disclosure is not in the public interest.”

But the family says they won’t disclose the data to anyone but their attorneys, unless under court order, and that the statute of limitations on a wrongful death suit is running. And if the family does sue, they could do so under seal or under a protective order.

“With this type of protective order in place, no information will escape, and the investigation will not be harmed,” according to the 5-page memorandum of law in support of the trustees’ motion to compel production of data.

Prince’s estate is represented by Matthew Barber with Schwebel, Goetz & Sieben in Minneapolis.

[Edited 2/8/18 9:15am]

PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

Thats an interesting perspective except there is such a thing as DOctor SHopping

Michael Jackson had perscriptions from varying sources, and it had been going on for years,

If MJ could obtain legal pills this way, then Prince certainly could have.

and DOnt forget this was a guy who was very careful what he put into his body.

He ate organic towards the end....

They didn't have the prescription controls program back when MJ was doing it.

I still think he did not know there was fentanyl in those pills.

That's what I was going to point out PennyPurple.

People can't doctor shop like they used to because you have to show Id and sign when you get any narcotics. A doctor will be flagged for writing too many narcotic Rxs regardless of whose name is on the Rx.

I have to do the same even when I buy OTC allergy meds because those products are used to make meth. If I went from store to store to buy allergy meds, I would get flagged. My daughter and I both have allergies and a few years back, I bought my daughter allergy meds, then I started having allergy symptoms and tried to buy some for me. The pharmacy clerk (since you have to ask pharmacy clerk for OTC allergy meds) told me that I could not buy the OTC allergy meds because I had just bought some a few days before. I had to send my husband to buy them for me. So the feds have gotten wise to those types of tricks.