casi1 said:

PeteSilas said:

he didn't look that bad but we're talking Prince here, a guy who regularly looked 20 years younger than he was, so it was a little concerning. Memory issues, shit, i've been racking my brain all morning trying to remember a name of a guy i knew a few years ago, it'll come to me but it used to not happen as much. Still, i'm thankful, my memory is way way better than all my friends.

Yeah I just wasnt alarmed by that appearance. I thought he was tired, maybe a bit sluggish, but he still looked younger than his age to me. To me, his face was still 'full' looking. I was more alarmed by his face slimming down later in that year. When he started to not look like himself was when I became alarmed. He looked great on the New Girl episode but at some point between the taping of that show and the 2015 Grammys, he just started to look different to me and the difference alarmed me. I thought he started to look ill between those years. The odd thing is that I thought he looked better at his final show in Atlanta than he had looked in the months leading up to that show. When I remember Prince today, I choose to recall how he looked on the New Girl episode.

one thing is for sure, he sounded as good or better than ever to my ears, that's the other part that doesn't make sense, he was so on top of his shit, which isn't that easy if you're that heavily burdened by some illness but that was Prince. He sounded better before his death than he ever did live to me.

PeteSilas said:

I believe the addiction is an oversimplcation of the stituation.

PeteSilas said:

there a million things that don't make sense to me, one being all the contradictory rumour and statement from friends and family. the blind item thing, and looking back, even his latter songs where he was telling us goodbye. The drugs, well, although i understand now that opioids can be used and addicted to without overt signs, I still think a lot of the things we saw don't make sense. Even though some people have said they have been opioid addicts and no one knew, I have to question that a little, maybe they are delusional because I think there are always signs and we didn't get much from prince until the plane went down. We've heard rumours hear, apparently from the inner circle that coincide with the blind item, that he had aids and that he had leukemia related to aids. If that was true, I could very easily see a man like Prince, used to having things his own way, used to having people fawn over him, I could easily see him not wanting to end up in hospice where his last days would be haunted by fans feeling sorry for him and withering away slowly. I really do think that's a good possibility, i don't think he was murdered, I do think it's possible that he was just an addict but I just think that's an oversimplication of more.

casi1 said:

PetraBravestrong said: Sorry to jump in after being AWOL for so long. I think everyones opinion is valid. But its impossible to put the pieces together without knowing the 'whys' and we may never know the 'whys'. From what I gather, the critical unsolved piece is why did Prince take those specific pills. There are reports that he was depressed (an old girlfriend had passed away suddenly that Fall, Vanity had just passed, Bowie had just passed, Prince was 'opening up' and talking more about his life and his dreams in concerts, etc, he was starting to struggle). He was clearly in both physical and emotional pain; he had lost a significant amount of weight over past 2 years. He also had enemies in the industry much like MJ did and others. Could be suicide, could be foul play, could be just a bad mistake. I dont know KJ personally but having met him several times and having known people who do know him, he is ride or die for Prince and has been for decades. Being probably 'the' closest person to him, he had to know that if Prince banished him, Prince would be completely alone so that had to be a difficult position to be in. I believe that all the folks who were around at the end sincerely tried to help Prince. Why was he alone that night? Probably because he was a grown man, he was Prince, he probably said 'Get out' and that he'd be fine and see the doctor tomorrow. Cant make a grown man do anything he doesnt want to do without putting the entire situation on blast (ie call the authorities because they are a danger to themselves... And who knows how that would have ended, maybe worse with a gunshot to the head...we dont know). As for the pills being in KJs name. MJ had pills in other folks names too, most celebs do for privacy reasons but those pills didnt kill him. And if he had Oxy available to him in KJs name, why take the weaker 'Vicodin' anyways and why search for that particular bottle of 'Vicodin' versus other bottles of legit Vicodin in the house? I do know that pain sucks as I've been on both Vicodin, Oxy, and Fent... If I were in pain, I'd go for the strongest pills unless I was trying to wean myself out of an addiction. All I am saying is I dont think KJ should go down for a name on pills that didnt kill anyone. Even if those pills had been used in the OD, if KJ had said no, someone elses name would have been on the bottle. Sorry to bring up MJ again but if Dr Murray hasnt got him the propofol then another doctor would have. It sucks but these celebrities are so isolated and have such power that the few friends who have access to them have to stay in grace in order to be there to help. I'd like to believe that in Prince's case, he convinced them that he would be okay that night.

PetraBravestrong said:

I intend to comment o follow ups but i just read on Chazz Smith Yootube intrvw. Theres been inside speculation P could have been poisoned!There was enough Fenti to kill an elephant in his system. His cook said he didnt eat the beet bisque for dinner. Theres also been a report of hearing gunshots at Paisley that night, someone suggested he may have been forced to take pills and all the security cameras removed. And again KJ acting suspiciously, leaving the country to tour, Chazz also said P wouldnt smokevweed when they was kids saying ironically,"someone can sneak up on you when you do that stuff "! That said we should all ask the police in Minnie to keep the case open !!!@ I dont believe he killed himself for one minute, he told Judith, he fought so hard to come back after plane emergency. His life was sad, he overcame so much and to think someone or some bad people did him in like MJ. Follow the money or the vault !

yup, in a bizarre case the gunshots you mention have been discussed here, i didn't personally see that but some people did see those reports. strange as fuck.

PetraBravestrong said:

I intend to comment o follow ups but i just read on Chazz Smith Yootube intrvw. Theres been inside speculation P could have been poisoned!There was enough Fenti to kill an elephant in his system. His cook said he didnt eat the beet bisque for dinner. Theres also been a report of hearing gunshots at Paisley that night, someone suggested he may have been forced to take pills and all the security cameras removed. And again KJ acting suspiciously, leaving the country to tour, Chazz also said P wouldnt smokevweed when they was kids saying ironically,"someone can sneak up on you when you do that stuff "! That said we should all ask the police in Minnie to keep the case open !!!@ I dont believe he killed himself for one minute, he told Judith, he fought so hard to come back after plane emergency. His life was sad, he overcame so much and to think someone or some bad people did him in like MJ. Follow the money or the vault !

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

casi1 said:

PennyPurple said:

PetraBravestrong said:

I intend to comment o follow ups but i just read on Chazz Smith Yootube intrvw. Theres been inside speculation P could have been poisoned!There was enough Fenti to kill an elephant in his system. His cook said he didnt eat the beet bisque for dinner. Theres also been a report of hearing gunshots at Paisley that night, someone suggested he may have been forced to take pills and all the security cameras removed. And again KJ acting suspiciously, leaving the country to tour, Chazz also said P wouldnt smokevweed when they was kids saying ironically,"someone can sneak up on you when you do that stuff "! That said we should all ask the police in Minnie to keep the case open !!!@ I dont believe he killed himself for one minute, he told Judith, he fought so hard to come back after plane emergency. His life was sad, he overcame so much and to think someone or some bad people did him in like MJ. Follow the money or the vault !

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

i heard the cameras were removed two weeks before his death but i forget who was the source of that story. either way, the gunshots story is strange and it seems to have actually happened.

PennyPurple said:

PetraBravestrong said:

I intend to comment o follow ups but i just read on Chazz Smith Yootube intrvw. Theres been inside speculation P could have been poisoned!There was enough Fenti to kill an elephant in his system. His cook said he didnt eat the beet bisque for dinner. Theres also been a report of hearing gunshots at Paisley that night, someone suggested he may have been forced to take pills and all the security cameras removed. And again KJ acting suspiciously, leaving the country to tour, Chazz also said P wouldnt smokevweed when they was kids saying ironically,"someone can sneak up on you when you do that stuff "! That said we should all ask the police in Minnie to keep the case open !!!@ I dont believe he killed himself for one minute, he told Judith, he fought so hard to come back after plane emergency. His life was sad, he overcame so much and to think someone or some bad people did him in like MJ. Follow the money or the vault !

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

PeteSilas said:

PetraBravestrong said:

I intend to comment o follow ups but i just read on Chazz Smith Yootube intrvw. Theres been inside speculation P could have been poisoned!There was enough Fenti to kill an elephant in his system. His cook said he didnt eat the beet bisque for dinner. Theres also been a report of hearing gunshots at Paisley that night, someone suggested he may have been forced to take pills and all the security cameras removed. And again KJ acting suspiciously, leaving the country to tour, Chazz also said P wouldnt smokevweed when they was kids saying ironically,"someone can sneak up on you when you do that stuff "! That said we should all ask the police in Minnie to keep the case open !!!@ I dont believe he killed himself for one minute, he told Judith, he fought so hard to come back after plane emergency. His life was sad, he overcame so much and to think someone or some bad people did him in like MJ. Follow the money or the vault !

yup, in a bizarre case the gunshots you mention have been discussed here, i didn't personally see that but some people did see those reports. strange as fuck.

I saw those reports...and then they just dissappeared

PennyPurple said:

PetraBravestrong said:

I intend to comment o follow ups but i just read on Chazz Smith Yootube intrvw. Theres been inside speculation P could have been poisoned!There was enough Fenti to kill an elephant in his system. His cook said he didnt eat the beet bisque for dinner. Theres also been a report of hearing gunshots at Paisley that night, someone suggested he may have been forced to take pills and all the security cameras removed. And again KJ acting suspiciously, leaving the country to tour, Chazz also said P wouldnt smokevweed when they was kids saying ironically,"someone can sneak up on you when you do that stuff "! That said we should all ask the police in Minnie to keep the case open !!!@ I dont believe he killed himself for one minute, he told Judith, he fought so hard to come back after plane emergency. His life was sad, he overcame so much and to think someone or some bad people did him in like MJ. Follow the money or the vault !

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

Petra sounds like one of the members of those Facebook murder conspiracy groups. Some of them also post on Chazz's page. Doesn't matter what anyone shows them as the explanation or proof of what was going on, they always twist it to add the intrigue. But, you know, they aren't being dissuaded from those notions either so...

Have a read at zerohedge to see what the authorities did, what happened, what the situation is w.r.t. drugs.

Please note te changes leading up to 2016, the guidelines.

Of course these are not as strict as laws, especially in the USA, but it gives an idea of the direction they intended.

The Prince situation went exactly countering that.

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KAJ might not be charged with anything, but if you are so close to someone, you know they are addicted.

You know what happened in the recent days, weeks.

You know what he is using, what the effects are.

So how can you leave the premises and do nothing?

What Prince said or did doesn't matter.

He was a patient that was not acting rationally.

So he needed to be treated like that: no Prince, *I* will do <this>.

udo said:

Have a read at zerohedge to see what the authorities did, what happened, what the situation is w.r.t. drugs.

Please note te changes leading up to 2016, the guidelines.

Of course these are not as strict as laws, especially in the USA, but it gives an idea of the direction they intended.

The Prince situation went exactly countering that.

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KAJ might not be charged with anything, but if you are so close to someone, you know they are addicted.

You know what happened in the recent days, weeks.

You know what he is using, what the effects are.

So how can you leave the premises and do nothing?

What Prince said or did doesn't matter.

He was a patient that was not acting rationally.

So he needed to be treated like that: no Prince, *I* will do <this>.

Are you that person who is running that Prince Getting to the Truth Facebook page?

[Edited 2/5/18 23:06pm]

udo said:

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

Petra sounds like one of the members of those Facebook murder conspiracy groups. Some of them also post on Chazz's page. Doesn't matter what anyone shows them as the explanation or proof of what was going on, they always twist it to add the intrigue. But, you know, they aren't being dissuaded from those notions either so...

Yeah, I had to delete one of those sites. I couldn't take it anymore.

udo said:

Have a read at zerohedge to see what the authorities did, what happened, what the situation is w.r.t. drugs.

Please note te changes leading up to 2016, the guidelines.

Of course these are not as strict as laws, especially in the USA, but it gives an idea of the direction they intended.

The Prince situation went exactly countering that.

.

KAJ might not be charged with anything, but if you are so close to someone, you know they are addicted.

You know what happened in the recent days, weeks.

You know what he is using, what the effects are.

So how can you leave the premises and do nothing?

What Prince said or did doesn't matter.

He was a patient that was not acting rationally.

So he needed to be treated like that: no Prince, *I* will do <this>.

Prince wasn't a patient of KJ's.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

i heard the cameras were removed two weeks before his death but i forget who was the source of that story. either way, the gunshots story is strange and it seems to have actually happened.

Charles Smith said the cameras were removed. I have not heard anyone say when this took place but trust me no strange person came into Paisley and removed the cameras. No strange person came into Paisley and sent files to Tidal. I believe Prince had them removed as some people seem to be forgetting he was transforming Paisley Park into a public space.

Shutting things down, transfering whole albums to charity, staffing down, and making hugh changes.

This guy was not preparing to go to rehab and come back to Paisley and continue on operating as he had for the last 30 years despite having enought cash to continue on for sometime.

We know were the money is it was in corporations and we know were the vault material was taken to.

I do not believe we will have any problems with vault material coming out, Paisley being a museum or venue, the heirs getting their money, and contracts that Prince signed being fulfilled.

I think things are just the way Prince wanted them to be at the time of his death as this was the best he could do with what time he had.

[Edited 2/6/18 4:48am]

PennyPurple said:

udo said:

Have a read at zerohedge to see what the authorities did, what happened, what the situation is w.r.t. drugs.

Please note te changes leading up to 2016, the guidelines.

Of course these are not as strict as laws, especially in the USA, but it gives an idea of the direction they intended.

The Prince situation went exactly countering that.

.

KAJ might not be charged with anything, but if you are so close to someone, you know they are addicted.

You know what happened in the recent days, weeks.

You know what he is using, what the effects are.

So how can you leave the premises and do nothing?

What Prince said or did doesn't matter.

He was a patient that was not acting rationally.

So he needed to be treated like that: no Prince, *I* will do <this>.

Prince wasn't a patient of KJ's.

I think KJ's role with the meds was minor. He might have been getting an Rx because he really needed one or at least the documentation is avalible to make it believable.

I would take a look at him and L4OA and PC. I honestly think this may be more of an issue then people realize.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

Why don't you tell us, Petra....where's the money and where's the vault?

I think after almost 2 years of keeping the case opened and not finding much, it's about done with. The cameras were removed long before that night.

i heard the cameras were removed two weeks before his death but i forget who was the source of that story. either way, the gunshots story is strange and it seems to have actually happened.

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The story about the cameras being removed came from Mike Deans interview with Chazz. I don't believe that story and there is no proof that the cameras were removed. Prince would have absolutely no reason to do that.

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CNN removed the story of gun shots at PP. A lot of people saw CNN broadcast that live on April 21st. They removed all evidence of the story, and never gave any explanation.

casi1 said:

udo said:

Have a read at zerohedge to see what the authorities did, what happened, what the situation is w.r.t. drugs.

Please note te changes leading up to 2016, the guidelines.

Of course these are not as strict as laws, especially in the USA, but it gives an idea of the direction they intended.

The Prince situation went exactly countering that.

.

KAJ might not be charged with anything, but if you are so close to someone, you know they are addicted.

You know what happened in the recent days, weeks.

You know what he is using, what the effects are.

So how can you leave the premises and do nothing?

What Prince said or did doesn't matter.

He was a patient that was not acting rationally.

So he needed to be treated like that: no Prince, *I* will do <this>.

And when Prince is told 'No, *I* will do this' and Prince responds with 'ok, get the fck out then, Security? Remove his access and his @ss from the premises'. Then what. Say you tell the authorities that he is a danger to himself. He is taken into custody. Media is now all over the situation. 72 evaluation period ends and he is released. Well he survived 3 more days but now he is back out, pissed, dodging TMZ, going through withdrawals, isolated again, wont take your calls, and you have no access to his property to even try to help. Either way, its a bad scenario. I dont think Kirk did nothing. I think those close to Prince were all trying to help in the end... It was just too little too late and I think trying to maintain his privacy/dignity may have led to that delay. Only a few hours too late. We can all say what we would have done but does anyone really want to be in Kirk's position? I dont envy that dude.

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Kirk had to have known what was going on with Prince. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know!!

disch said:

Editing this to delete my own comment because I realized it’s just participating in the rehashing of arguments that have been had before, and that’s not interesting or helpful [Edited 2/6/18 6:05am]

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i heard the cameras were removed two weeks before his death but i forget who was the source of that story. either way, the gunshots story is strange and it seems to have actually happened.

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The story about the cameras being removed came from Mike Deans interview with Chazz. I don't believe that story and there is no proof that the cameras were removed. Prince would have absolutely no reason to do that.

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CNN removed the story of gun shots at PP. A lot of people saw CNN broadcast that live on April 21st. They removed all evidence of the story, and never gave any explanation.

Why would Charles make this up? Why would Prince not remove them? It was his building he could do whatever he wanted and remember before the rumor was that the cameras were turned off. We have been lead to beleive from the beginning that know security footage exsist.

Why is that? In fact it was put out by the media that he was going thru withdrawals and someone was snaping pictures and following him around.

How and why did all this info slip out?

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The story about the cameras being removed came from Mike Deans interview with Chazz. I don't believe that story and there is no proof that the cameras were removed. Prince would have absolutely no reason to do that.

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CNN removed the story of gun shots at PP. A lot of people saw CNN broadcast that live on April 21st. They removed all evidence of the story, and never gave any explanation.

Why would Charles make this up? Why would Prince not remove them? It was his building he could do whatever he wanted and remember before the rumor was that the cameras were turned off. We have been lead to beleive from the beginning that know security footage exsist.

Why is that? In fact it was put out by the media that he was going thru withdrawals and someone was snaping pictures and following him around.

How and why did all this info slip out?

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Because Charles is not immediate family and he would not have first-hand knowledge of that information. He was not the manager of PP; Kirk was. No one is talking to him, so he's getting pissed and lashing-out.

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Someone was leaking information, but we don't know who. Only someone who was close to Prince could have that information, and knew he was making trips to Walgreens that day.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i heard the cameras were removed two weeks before his death but i forget who was the source of that story. either way, the gunshots story is strange and it seems to have actually happened.

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The story about the cameras being removed came from Mike Deans interview with Chazz. I don't believe that story and there is no proof that the cameras were removed. Prince would have absolutely no reason to do that.

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CNN removed the story of gun shots at PP. A lot of people saw CNN broadcast that live on April 21st. They removed all evidence of the story, and never gave any explanation.

cnn removed it? and no one asked them about it? that's beyond bizarre, enough to make the sanest mother in here paranoid.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The story about the cameras being removed came from Mike Deans interview with Chazz. I don't believe that story and there is no proof that the cameras were removed. Prince would have absolutely no reason to do that.

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CNN removed the story of gun shots at PP. A lot of people saw CNN broadcast that live on April 21st. They removed all evidence of the story, and never gave any explanation.

cnn removed it? and no one asked them about it? that's beyond bizarre, enough to make the sanest mother in here paranoid.

Thing is that in almost 2 years not one person has been able to produce that "report" in any fashion and it's not because people weren't right there on that day taking screenshots of everything. Unsubstantiated rumor, only a 50% chance of being true and it seems to show up mostly on the murder conspiracy pages/groups/sites.

I would put the chances that this was reported on CNN at far less than 50%. There would be screenshots or recordings of this somewhere, even if CNN conspired to "scrub the evidence" from its website for some reason.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

cnn removed it? and no one asked them about it? that's beyond bizarre, enough to make the sanest mother in here paranoid.

Thing is that in almost 2 years not one person has been able to produce that "report" in any fashion and it's not because people weren't right there on that day taking screenshots of everything. Unsubstantiated rumor, only a 50% chance of being true and it seems to show up mostly on the murder conspiracy pages/groups/sites.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The story about the cameras being removed came from Mike Deans interview with Chazz. I don't believe that story and there is no proof that the cameras were removed. Prince would have absolutely no reason to do that.

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CNN removed the story of gun shots at PP. A lot of people saw CNN broadcast that live on April 21st. They removed all evidence of the story, and never gave any explanation.

cnn removed it? and no one asked them about it? that's beyond bizarre, enough to make the sanest mother in here paranoid.

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A lot of people saw that broadcasted live on CNN, then there was never any other mention of it. I know the media screws things up from time to time, but this was not something to just dismiss. I mean, at least say it was an error or something, ya know?

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

cnn removed it? and no one asked them about it? that's beyond bizarre, enough to make the sanest mother in here paranoid.

Thing is that in almost 2 years not one person has been able to produce that "report" in any fashion and it's not because people weren't right there on that day taking screenshots of everything. Unsubstantiated rumor, only a 50% chance of being true and it seems to show up mostly on the murder conspiracy pages/groups/sites.

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Several people said Wolf Blitzer talked about it for almost 20-minutes. If CNN removed it from their website, there is no way to find it. It's gone.

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I don't see what conspiracy groups has to do with it.

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I'm not saying it's true or isn't true, but there is always that possibility it did happen. I don't think someone would lie about something like that.

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[Edited 2/6/18 16:20pm]

disch said:

I would put the chances that this was reported on CNN at far less than 50%. There would be screenshots or recordings of this somewhere, even if CNN conspired to "scrub the evidence" from its website for some reason.

Mumio said:

Thing is that in almost 2 years not one person has been able to produce that "report" in any fashion and it's not because people weren't right there on that day taking screenshots of everything. Unsubstantiated rumor, only a 50% chance of being true and it seems to show up mostly on the murder conspiracy pages/groups/sites.

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True, but April 21, 2016 was a very busy news day because Prince had suddenly died and everyone was scrambling to find out what had happened. If CNN only talked about it for 20-minutes or so, there would be no evidence of it. I'm sure people weren't standing in front of their TV thinking, "oh, I better record this" for evidence. Ya know?