2freaky4church1 said:

Predict doc will be jailed.

I'll take that bet. Highly doubt he prescribed the laced pills and, in all likelihood, stayed within prescription parameters when it came to dosing Prince, hence the need to seek out darker corners. Also, it wouldn't have taken this long if it was as simple as above the board scrips. It took less than a year to charge MJ's doctor. Someone got those pills off the street/black market for Prince (at his request) and no one can prove who or from who.

I'd be shocked if anyone goes down for it.

Prince kept his circle tight and was notoriously private. That probably makes his death even that much harder to investigate. He didn't even use a smart phone. Betting everything that, combined with the lawyers that were hired and the tight lipped guarded approach of the people we suspect, that made the case incredibly hard to make through the usual means and probably 80% - 90 % of it is built on heresay and verbal/eyewitness testimony that can not be verified.

Seriously doubt there's a big paper or computer trail here - certainly much less than normal for someone as famous as Prince anyway.

I'm also a strong believer in the liver problem theory. That's one of the few things that the conspiracy minded folks have offered that makes any sort of sense to me and goes a long way towards explaining the fairly obvious deterioration of Prince's physical appearance towards the end.

No one can sell me on premeditated murder. So far anyway.

I'm so with you on this!

Menes said:

I am willing to bet that Prince's full autopsy/toxicity report(not the rumored version) would reveal more than one type of drug(fetanyl) in his system. It is common.

1.What Prince may have been dying from (according to Tyka's ramblings) and how he died, are two very different things.

2.It sounds to me that she was already aware that he was self-medicating for years. How did she expect him to die? If she knew he was dying and expected death shortly, she would be acutely aware that he was not dictating anything to her from an end of life facility, hospital,etc. It was from right in his home, and directly from the person she was working with and for, for those past 4 years . Did she expect him to wither away like a rotting corpse because of pain from organ failure for as long as he could bare it?

3.If she knew he was terminal and was (dying), yet he didn't die of whatever he was ailing from, why wasn't she surprised when she got the call that he died? What was she expecting him to die of then?

4. If Prince did not intend to die in the manner that he did, how else would he have died? There is no other peaceful way to die if you are terminal and not under a doctor's care.

4. Kirk, nor anyone else will be charged with Prince's death. If the laws were written as though someone could be charged with a crime for their own death, Prince would be charged.

5. With the amount of pills found (coupled with the purported levels of toxicity expressed and his BMI), the transition from overdose to death was within 1-4 minutes at best. Prince died a much more peaceful death than that of person going thru end stage pain from a terminal illness that eventually leads to death.

6.The elevator is the dead give away as it relates to time and location.

Menes said:

I am willing to bet that Prince's full autopsy/toxicity report(not the rumored version) would reveal more than one type of drug(fetanyl) in his system. It is common.

1.What Prince may have been dying from (according to Tyka's ramblings) and how he died, are two very different things.

2.It sounds to me that she was already aware that he was self-medicating for years. How did she expect him to die? If she knew he was dying and expected death shortly, she would be acutely aware that he was not dictating anything to her from an end of life facility, hospital,etc. It was from right in his home, and directly from the person she was working with and for, for those past 4 years . Did she expect him to wither away like a rotting corpse because of pain from organ failure for as long as he could bare it?

3.If she knew he was terminal and was (dying), yet he didn't die of whatever he was ailing from, why wasn't she surprised when she got the call that he died? What was she expecting him to die of then?

4. If Prince did not intend to die in the manner that he did, how else would he have died? There is no other peaceful way to die if you are terminal and not under a doctor's care.

4. Kirk, nor anyone else will be charged with Prince's death. If the laws were written as though someone could be charged with a crime for their own death, Prince would be charged.

5. With the amount of pills found (coupled with the purported levels of toxicity expressed and his BMI), the transition from overdose to death was within 1-4 minutes at best. Prince died a much more peaceful death than that of person going thru end stage pain from a terminal illness that eventually leads to death.

6.The elevator is the dead give away as it relates to time and location.

co-sign

herb4 said:

I'm also a strong believer in the liver problem theory. That's one of the few things that the conspiracy minded folks have offered that makes any sort of sense to me and goes a long way towards explaining the fairly obvious deterioration of Prince's physical appearance towards the end.

No one can sell me on premeditated murder. So far anyway.

and the yellowing of his skin...

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, and we keep hearing about Rheumatoid Arthritis (inflammation of joints), which is very painful. Also, Fibromyalgia (nerve damage from injury/spinal chord). It is also used to control seizures. It's possible that Prince could have had RA, which would explain why it was difficult for him to play the guitar. Same thing happened with Dolores O'Riordan; she was having trouble playing the guitar because of her back injury.

When was Prince having trouble playing the guitar? Doesn’t seem to be having any trouble here (March 2016): https://www.facebook.com/...tion=group

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That's what he said during the P&M tour. I don't know why he said it or what he meant by it. No one seems to know.

jjam said:

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said: When was Prince having trouble playing the guitar? Doesn’t seem to be having any trouble here (March 2016): https://www.facebook.com/...tion=group

Yeah, such a conclusion is only based on his throwaway comment from the last dance party at Paisley Park when he said "I have to leave it in the case or I’ll be tempted to play it...I can’t play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better". It is a somewhat ambiguous statement, but I've always taken to refer to him being a bit out of practise, not a case of being physically unable to play the guitar.

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Prince being out of practice? That is not possible.

rogifan said:

jjam said:

Yeah, such a conclusion is only based on his throwaway comment from the last dance party at Paisley Park when he said "I have to leave it in the case or I’ll be tempted to play it...I can’t play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better". It is a somewhat ambiguous statement, but I've always taken to refer to him being a bit out of practise, not a case of being physically unable to play the guitar.

I took it to mean he was completely focused on the piano at the moment and that’s why he was staying away from the guitar. Anyway if someone is wondering if he possibly has RA, wouldn’t it also be difficult to play the piano?

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I'm not suggesting that Prince had RA, but it's been discussed here before. Prince said a lot of things that were perplexing. If he had physical issues with playing the guitar, he could have played it, sitting down, which he has done many times.

Just my take on the Opioid crisis; I think the issue is that there are doctor's who are giving Fentanyl patches out needlessly. Then you have patients who really need it for chronic pain, and they are being denied, and that's just wrong.

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The problem is that we have too many doctor's who were over-prescribing/medicating their patients and people have died as a result. Some doctor is PA is going to jail because one of his patients died under his care. Now, I don't think the resolution to this problem is to deny people some relief who do have chronic pain.

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I think some doctor's are just too afraid now, so they are being overly-cautious with prescribing opioids.

PennyPurple said:

herb4 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Predict doc will be jailed.

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Which one? Well......Prince died of Fentanyl toxicity, which wasn't prescribed by his doctor, so they can't charge anyone.

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If Dr. Schulemberg or Dr. K (quack in LA) was guilty of any wrong doing, they would be behind bars now.....it's been almost 2-years and no arrests.

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Laura suggests if this goes to the Federal level, there may be charges. Only time will tell.

Menes said:

I am willing to bet that Prince's full autopsy/toxicity report(not the rumored version) would reveal more than one type of drug(fetanyl) in his system. It is common.

1.What Prince may have been dying from (according to Tyka's ramblings) and how he died, are two very different things.

2.It sounds to me that she was already aware that he was self-medicating for years. How did she expect him to die? If she knew he was dying and expected death shortly, she would be acutely aware that he was not dictating anything to her from an end of life facility, hospital,etc. It was from right in his home, and directly from the person she was working with and for, for those past 4 years . Did she expect him to wither away like a rotting corpse because of pain from organ failure for as long as he could bare it?

3.If she knew he was terminal and was (dying), yet he didn't die of whatever he was ailing from, why wasn't she surprised when she got the call that he died? What was she expecting him to die of then?

4. If Prince did not intend to die in the manner that he did, how else would he have died? There is no other peaceful way to die if you are terminal and not under a doctor's care.

4. Kirk, nor anyone else will be charged with Prince's death. If the laws were written as though someone could be charged with a crime for their own death, Prince would be charged.

5. With the amount of pills found (coupled with the purported levels of toxicity expressed and his BMI), the transition from overdose to death was within 1-4 minutes at best. Prince died a much more peaceful death than that of person going thru end stage pain from a terminal illness that eventually leads to death.

6.The elevator is the dead give away as it relates to time and location.

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Excellent post, as always.

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To the bolded: Remember, Tyka said "We were waiting." Prince died of Fentanyl overdose, not a terminal disease. Was she aware that her brother was going to take Fentanyl on April 20-21st?

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Tyka said she wasn't surprised at all when she got the call. So, basically, Tyka is saying she wasn't surprised that Prince overdosed. Is that it? But, people will excuse her strange comments and odd behavior.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I am willing to bet that Prince's full autopsy/toxicity report(not the rumored version) would reveal more than one type of drug(fetanyl) in his system. It is common.

1.What Prince may have been dying from (according to Tyka's ramblings) and how he died, are two very different things.

2.It sounds to me that she was already aware that he was self-medicating for years. How did she expect him to die? If she knew he was dying and expected death shortly, she would be acutely aware that he was not dictating anything to her from an end of life facility, hospital,etc. It was from right in his home, and directly from the person she was working with and for, for those past 4 years . Did she expect him to wither away like a rotting corpse because of pain from organ failure for as long as he could bare it?

3.If she knew he was terminal and was (dying), yet he didn't die of whatever he was ailing from, why wasn't she surprised when she got the call that he died? What was she expecting him to die of then?

4. If Prince did not intend to die in the manner that he did, how else would he have died? There is no other peaceful way to die if you are terminal and not under a doctor's care.

4. Kirk, nor anyone else will be charged with Prince's death. If the laws were written as though someone could be charged with a crime for their own death, Prince would be charged.

5. With the amount of pills found (coupled with the purported levels of toxicity expressed and his BMI), the transition from overdose to death was within 1-4 minutes at best. Prince died a much more peaceful death than that of person going thru end stage pain from a terminal illness that eventually leads to death.

6.The elevator is the dead give away as it relates to time and location.

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Excellent post, as always.

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To the bolded: Remember, Tyka said "We were waiting." Prince died of Fentanyl overdose, not a terminal disease. Was she aware that her brother was going to take Fentanyl on April 20-21st?

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Tyka said she wasn't surprised at all when she got the call. So, basically, Tyka is saying she wasn't surprised that Prince overdosed. Is that it? But, people will excuse her strange comments and odd behavior.

I find that odd too. But some people will excuse this with whatever reasons they have.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Excellent post, as always.

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To the bolded: Remember, Tyka said "We were waiting." Prince died of Fentanyl overdose, not a terminal disease. Was she aware that her brother was going to take Fentanyl on April 20-21st?

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Tyka said she wasn't surprised at all when she got the call. So, basically, Tyka is saying she wasn't surprised that Prince overdosed. Is that it? But, people will excuse her strange comments and odd behavior.

I find that odd too. But some people will excuse this with whatever reasons they have.

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Yea, Unfortunately.

herb4 said:

sonshine said:

herb4 said:

Well of course now the real question now is: Who Murdered Tom Petty and are the two deaths connected? I mean, they were on stage together at arguably the greatest R&RHoF ceremony/performance in its history. Concidence?

I'm kidding of course. Yes, it's a coincidence but I bet some people here think it's connected. All it means is that rich rock stars have an easier time procuring drugs.

Odd that Petty's death is met with a shrug and a hand wave: "Yep, he sure did die of an accidental overdose" while Prince's death still has a few stubborn die hards claiming "we'll never get to the bottom of it! It's so COMPLICATED!" and determinabely maintaining a conspiracy or cover up, for reasons I still cannot ascertain. Or entertain, for that matter.

Maybe the same people offed the Cranberry's singer. We're through the looking glass here, people, LOL.

Sounds to like it's as simple as the investigators not being able to definitively determine or state who procured the illegal pills, and I'm quite certain that's what took so long. It wasn't for lack of looking and, while most of us have a good idea who it was, proving it is another matter.

Yet every doctor who has examined the autopsy results so far either list his cause of death as homicide, or, potential homicide, with not one post review of the results listing it as an accidental overdose.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Excellent post, as always.

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To the bolded: Remember, Tyka said "We were waiting." Prince died of Fentanyl overdose, not a terminal disease. Was she aware that her brother was going to take Fentanyl on April 20-21st?

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Tyka said she wasn't surprised at all when she got the call. So, basically, Tyka is saying she wasn't surprised that Prince overdosed. Is that it? But, people will excuse her strange comments and odd behavior.

I find that odd too. But some people will excuse this with whatever reasons they have.

Plus, "he was tired"... according to her. So, for years he was tired and dying, yet for years he didn't take opiates to temporary relieve himself? How else did he do it for all the years that he was dying while still performing? By all of her own statements, she proves that you can be addicted to pain killers and still perform for YEARS. I count at least (8) eight years of addiction ,btw.

She clearly knew he was planning to die (according to her )so at that time, she knew it would be by an illness that she was actually aware of, or, thought she was aware of at that time. But what struck me is that he did not die from said illness, so therefore, how could you be at peace with how he died unless you also expected that he may die from an overdose too?

I think focusing on one pill is a bit short-sited. Way too many things going on here that you could make a case for the "whatever happens,happens " moment.

If and when we find out how many pills were ingested( I believe there were many), I would be willing to wager that there is no way that he gave himself a fighting chance.

Further, if he had an appointment in the morning to start the program, the last thing he would've wanted to do would be to ingest any opiates prior to using buprenorphine. So how is it that Andrew brought the buprenorphine to administer to Prince the following morning? When did they make the appointment for Prince? His system was chalk full of opiates. So, either Prince was not aware of the intervention and was given no instructions to avoid opiate use, for "X" days ,or, his behavior as a result of withdrawals was so out of character, they believed this was the only shot they had to rectify it. Either way, that would have compounded the problem and there would have been another disaster.

It just seems all so intentional to stop it all.

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Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I find that odd too. But some people will excuse this with whatever reasons they have.

Plus, "he was tired"... according to her. So, for years he was tired and dying, yet for years he didn't take opiates to temporary relieve himself? How else did he do it for all the years that he was dying while still performing? By all of her own statements, she proves that you can be addicted to pain killers and still perform for YEARS. I count at least (8) eight years of addiction ,btw.

She clearly knew he was planning to die (according to her )so at that time, she knew it would be by an illness that she was actually aware of, or, thought she was aware of at that time. But what struck me is that he did not die from said illness, so therefore, how could you be at peace with how he died unless you also expected that he may die from an overdose too?

I think focusing on one pill is a bit short-sited. Way too many things going on here that you could make a case for the "whatever happens,happens " moment.

If and when we find out how many pills were ingested( I believe they were many), I would be willing to wager that there is no way that he gave himself a fighting chance.

Further, if he had an appointment in the morning to start the program, the last thing he would've wanted to do would be to ingest any opiates prior to using buprenorphine. So how is it that Andrew brought the buprenorphine to administer to Prince the following morning? When did they make the appointment for Prince? His system was chalk full of opiates. So, either Prince was not aware of the intervention and was given no instructions to avoid opiate use, for "X" days ,or, his behavior as a result of withdrawals was so out of character they believed this was the only shot they had to rectify it. Either way, that would have compounded the problem and there would have been another disaster.

It just seems all so intentional to stop it all.

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I hear what you are saying. He was tired, but jamming on his guitar on April 12th, just days before he died.

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If it were me and my brother suddenly died by a drug overdose, I would be in shock. Not the case with Tyka. She was not surprised. By the way she is talking, it sounds like this was some type of suicide pact or something.

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We did not see the full autopsy report, but it said there was no other illness that contributed to Prince's death, but it still leaves the question open; did he in fact have a terminal illness?

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Prince had a lot of other substances in his system besides the Fentanyl, per the coroner's report.

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I also agree with your last paragraph. It's just so odd the way everything happened; Andrew shows up with a backback of drugs that he was not authorized to administer. Then, you have this supposed intervention planned on that same day, and Dr. Shulemberg shows up with blood test results, and they find Prince in the elevator. Youl would think that if Prince was planning to take the mislabeled Fentanyl, he would have told everyone to just take the day off and he wouldn't have scheduled any appointments.

leadline said:

Yet every doctor who has examined the autopsy results so far either list his cause of death as homicide, or, potential homicide, with not one post review of the results listing it as an accidental overdose.

[Edited 1/21/18 16:07pm]

OH? Do tell. Links? Names of Drs? Anything? Proof?

For reference on the search warrant/pills, go here:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=10

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Plus, "he was tired"... according to her. So, for years he was tired and dying, yet for years he didn't take opiates to temporary relieve himself? How else did he do it for all the years that he was dying while still performing? By all of her own statements, she proves that you can be addicted to pain killers and still perform for YEARS. I count at least (8) eight years of addiction ,btw.

She clearly knew he was planning to die (according to her )so at that time, she knew it would be by an illness that she was actually aware of, or, thought she was aware of at that time. But what struck me is that he did not die from said illness, so therefore, how could you be at peace with how he died unless you also expected that he may die from an overdose too?

I think focusing on one pill is a bit short-sited. Way too many things going on here that you could make a case for the "whatever happens,happens " moment.

If and when we find out how many pills were ingested( I believe they were many), I would be willing to wager that there is no way that he gave himself a fighting chance.

Further, if he had an appointment in the morning to start the program, the last thing he would've wanted to do would be to ingest any opiates prior to using buprenorphine. So how is it that Andrew brought the buprenorphine to administer to Prince the following morning? When did they make the appointment for Prince? His system was chalk full of opiates. So, either Prince was not aware of the intervention and was given no instructions to avoid opiate use, for "X" days ,or, his behavior as a result of withdrawals was so out of character they believed this was the only shot they had to rectify it. Either way, that would have compounded the problem and there would have been another disaster.

It just seems all so intentional to stop it all.

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I hear what you are saying. He was tired, but jamming on his guitar on April 12th, just days before he died.

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If it were me and my brother suddenly died by a drug overdose, I would be in shock. Not the case with Tyka. She was not surprised. By the way she is talking, it sounds like this was some type of suicide pact or something.

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We did not see the full autopsy report, but it said there was no other illness that contributed to Prince's death, but it still leaves the question open; did he in fact have a terminal illness?

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Prince had a lot of other substances in his system besides the Fentanyl, per the coroner's report.

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I also agree with your last paragraph. It's just so odd the way everything happened; Andrew shows up with a backback of drugs that he was not authorized to administer. Then, you have this supposed intervention planned on that same day, and Dr. Shulemberg shows up with blood test results, and they find Prince in the elevator. Youl would think that if Prince was planning to take the mislabeled Fentanyl, he would have told everyone to just take the day off and he wouldn't have scheduled any appointments.

Exactly. One thing is for sure is that the more rumors that are out there, the more it feeds into her "wait until my book" marketing excuse . I bet the first (3) three chapters will be about addressing the "rumors". I mean, why would she spoil the surprise and do it for free? With all the money she has right now, she could set the record straight and set up a charity in the name of said "illness" / or an opiate awareness foundation. But at this point, if you want to tell YOUR story, YOUR way, and then tag it to the story-line of " things about Prince and my family"" , there is only one vehicle that will get you and a publisher there .

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Plus, "he was tired"... according to her. So, for years he was tired and dying, yet for years he didn't take opiates to temporary relieve himself? How else did he do it for all the years that he was dying while still performing? By all of her own statements, she proves that you can be addicted to pain killers and still perform for YEARS. I count at least (8) eight years of addiction ,btw.

She clearly knew he was planning to die (according to her )so at that time, she knew it would be by an illness that she was actually aware of, or, thought she was aware of at that time. But what struck me is that he did not die from said illness, so therefore, how could you be at peace with how he died unless you also expected that he may die from an overdose too?

I think focusing on one pill is a bit short-sited. Way too many things going on here that you could make a case for the "whatever happens,happens " moment.

If and when we find out how many pills were ingested( I believe they were many), I would be willing to wager that there is no way that he gave himself a fighting chance.

Further, if he had an appointment in the morning to start the program, the last thing he would've wanted to do would be to ingest any opiates prior to using buprenorphine. So how is it that Andrew brought the buprenorphine to administer to Prince the following morning? When did they make the appointment for Prince? His system was chalk full of opiates. So, either Prince was not aware of the intervention and was given no instructions to avoid opiate use, for "X" days ,or, his behavior as a result of withdrawals was so out of character they believed this was the only shot they had to rectify it. Either way, that would have compounded the problem and there would have been another disaster.

It just seems all so intentional to stop it all.

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I hear what you are saying. He was tired, but jamming on his guitar on April 12th, just days before he died.

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If it were me and my brother suddenly died by a drug overdose, I would be in shock. Not the case with Tyka. She was not surprised. By the way she is talking, it sounds like this was some type of suicide pact or something.

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We did not see the full autopsy report, but it said there was no other illness that contributed to Prince's death, but it still leaves the question open; did he in fact have a terminal illness?

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Prince had a lot of other substances in his system besides the Fentanyl, per the coroner's report.

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I also agree with your last paragraph. It's just so odd the way everything happened; Andrew shows up with a backback of drugs that he was not authorized to administer. Then, you have this supposed intervention planned on that same day, and Dr. Shulemberg shows up with blood test results, and they find Prince in the elevator. Youl would think that if Prince was planning to take the mislabeled Fentanyl, he would have told everyone to just take the day off and he wouldn't have scheduled any appointments.

is it possible that after the plane incident Prince went back to "mislabeled medicating" as usual, which

prompted someone in his camp to say ok he can't quit on his own even after the plane incident. so they schedule an intervention and the Dr's son was there with his many medications to see Prince thru

withdrawal at PP. Maybe he was gonna be on site during the withdrawals and the other Dr was there as extra back up proof with test results to show the dr's son, and they together were gonna

convince P of the urgency of his detox.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I hear what you are saying. He was tired, but jamming on his guitar on April 12th, just days before he died.

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If it were me and my brother suddenly died by a drug overdose, I would be in shock. Not the case with Tyka. She was not surprised. By the way she is talking, it sounds like this was some type of suicide pact or something.

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We did not see the full autopsy report, but it said there was no other illness that contributed to Prince's death, but it still leaves the question open; did he in fact have a terminal illness?

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Prince had a lot of other substances in his system besides the Fentanyl, per the coroner's report.

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I also agree with your last paragraph. It's just so odd the way everything happened; Andrew shows up with a backback of drugs that he was not authorized to administer. Then, you have this supposed intervention planned on that same day, and Dr. Shulemberg shows up with blood test results, and they find Prince in the elevator. Youl would think that if Prince was planning to take the mislabeled Fentanyl, he would have told everyone to just take the day off and he wouldn't have scheduled any appointments.

Exactly. One thing is for sure is that the more rumors that are out there, the more it feeds into her "wait until my book" marketing excuse . I bet the first (3) three chapters will be about addressing the "rumors". I mean, why would she spoil the surprise and do it for free? With all the money she has right now, she could set the record straight and set up a charity in the name of said "illness" / or an opiate awareness foundation. But at this point, if you want to tell YOUR story, YOUR way, and then tag it to the story-line of " things about Prince and my family"" , there is only one vehicle that will get you and a publisher there .

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You got it!! Tyka wants to keep the mystery and anticipation going, so people will buy and read her book!! People will argue that Tyka will get enough money from Prince's estate and that she doesn't need to sell books to support herself. It may be that she is enjoying the publicity and attention. She recently lost weight, has a new album and an upcoming book; so, it's almost like a re-birth for her, if you will.

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Exactly!! Tyka could do a lot of things to bring awareness of Prince's supposed illness and/or speak out on the opioid epidemic our country is dealing with. But.....nope......nothing.....crickets.

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Now, there will people who will argue and say that Tyka is respecting her brother's wishes. Was one of his wishes to not tell anyone he was sick and/or struggling with opioid addiction? Wasn't Prince all about helping others? His passion was giving to charities that meant something to help people, and to make this world a better place. That is his legacy.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I hear what you are saying. He was tired, but jamming on his guitar on April 12th, just days before he died.

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If it were me and my brother suddenly died by a drug overdose, I would be in shock. Not the case with Tyka. She was not surprised. By the way she is talking, it sounds like this was some type of suicide pact or something.

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We did not see the full autopsy report, but it said there was no other illness that contributed to Prince's death, but it still leaves the question open; did he in fact have a terminal illness?

.

Prince had a lot of other substances in his system besides the Fentanyl, per the coroner's report.

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I also agree with your last paragraph. It's just so odd the way everything happened; Andrew shows up with a backback of drugs that he was not authorized to administer. Then, you have this supposed intervention planned on that same day, and Dr. Shulemberg shows up with blood test results, and they find Prince in the elevator. Youl would think that if Prince was planning to take the mislabeled Fentanyl, he would have told everyone to just take the day off and he wouldn't have scheduled any appointments.

is it possible that after the plane incident Prince went back to "mislabeled medicating" as usual, which

prompted someone in his camp to say ok he can't quit on his own even after the plane incident. so they schedule an intervention and the Dr's son was there with his many medications to see Prince thru

withdrawal at PP. Maybe he was gonna be on site during the withdrawals and the other Dr was there as extra back up proof with test results to show the dr's son, and they together were gonna

convince P of the urgency of his detox.

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Yes, that could very well be the case. But, why would Prince run to Walgreens that day if he already had his mind made up that he was just gonna take some illegal Fentanyl, and wasn't interested in any intervention? There are so many ways to look at this, and also, Prince could have been pretending to go along with the supposed intervention, knowing that he was not going to follow through with it. With that said, it leaves me back at.....why then have anything scheduled for that day? It's also a high probability that Prince knew nothing about the intervention. It almost appears like they knew something was going to happen....because, there he was, in the elevator, gone.

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Unfortunately, we will never have the answers to what happened that day and the days leading up to his untimely death.

sonshine said:

herb4 said:

Well of course now the real question now is: Who Murdered Tom Petty and are the two deaths connected? I mean, they were on stage together at arguably the greatest R&RHoF ceremony/performance in its history. Concidence?

I'm kidding of course. Yes, it's a coincidence but I bet some people here think it's connected. All it means is that rich rock stars have an easier time procuring drugs.

Odd that Petty's death is met with a shrug and a hand wave: "Yep, he sure did die of an accidental overdose" while Prince's death still has a few stubborn die hards claiming "we'll never get to the bottom of it! It's so COMPLICATED!" and determinabely maintaining a conspiracy or cover up, for reasons I still cannot ascertain. Or entertain, for that matter.

Maybe the same people offed the Cranberry's singer. We're through the looking glass here, people, LOL.

Sounds to like it's as simple as the investigators not being able to definitively determine or state who procured the illegal pills, and I'm quite certain that's what took so long. It wasn't for lack of looking and, while most of us have a good idea who it was, proving it is another matter.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

is it possible that after the plane incident Prince went back to "mislabeled medicating" as usual, which

prompted someone in his camp to say ok he can't quit on his own even after the plane incident. so they schedule an intervention and the Dr's son was there with his many medications to see Prince thru

withdrawal at PP. Maybe he was gonna be on site during the withdrawals and the other Dr was there as extra back up proof with test results to show the dr's son, and they together were gonna

convince P of the urgency of his detox.

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Yes, that could very well be the case. But, why would Prince run to Walgreens that day if he already had his mind made up that he was just gonna take some illegal Fentanyl, and wasn't interested in any intervention? There are so many ways to look at this, and also, Prince could have been pretending to go along with the supposed intervention, knowing that he was not going to follow through with it. With that said, it leaves me back at.....why then have anything scheduled for that day? It's also a high probability that Prince knew nothing about the intervention. It almost appears like they knew something was going to happen....because, there he was, in the elevator, gone.

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Unfortunately, we will never have the answers to what happened that day and the days leading up to his untimely death.

I don't remember the exact sequence but I think that call to the Kornfelds was a last minute "hail mary" made on the day before he died. Between the 14th and the 20th, something dramatic must have taken place for them to have him fly out immediately, (qualified or not). Whoever made that call did not qualify Andrew, nor did they do any research . This doesn't surprise me because Kirk picked Dr. Schulenberg to "treat" Prince. Millions of dollars at your disposal and Kirk recommends your doctor? Why would you even go that route if you're so buttoned up with your privacy? Go figure.

Now let's just say Prince did in fact have chronic pain from (a) a terminal illness that he was going to die from, or (b) chronic long term pain from hip surgery, it would make no sense for him to attempt to eliminate the ingestion of opiates for pain relief if it's the only thing that granted him temporary relief. If he knew about the intervention , it would mean that he was willing to deal with the pain some other way. If you have pain from terminal cancer, that would probably not be up for discussion.

I think there may have been times between the 14th and the 20th where he may have tried to wean himself off of whatever it was ( cold turkey) and that had some nasty withdrawal symptoms that were cause for alarm. We are talking years of usage, so will-power is about as useless as tits on a bull at this point. I think that's why Kornfeld was called in.

Since Tyka was so close to him, when did she get wind of any of this? No one called her until after it was all over? She was preparing. Tsk.

Susu1976 said:

Menes said:

I am willing to bet that Prince's full autopsy/toxicity report(not the rumored version) would reveal more than one type of drug(fetanyl) in his system. It is common.

1.What Prince may have been dying from (according to Tyka's ramblings) and how he died, are two very different things.

2.It sounds to me that she was already aware that he was self-medicating for years. How did she expect him to die? If she knew he was dying and expected death shortly, she would be acutely aware that he was not dictating anything to her from an end of life facility, hospital,etc. It was from right in his home, and directly from the person she was working with and for, for those past 4 years . Did she expect him to wither away like a rotting corpse because of pain from organ failure for as long as he could bare it?

3.If she knew he was terminal and was (dying), yet he didn't die of whatever he was ailing from, why wasn't she surprised when she got the call that he died? What was she expecting him to die of then?

4. If Prince did not intend to die in the manner that he did, how else would he have died? There is no other peaceful way to die if you are terminal and not under a doctor's care.

4. Kirk, nor anyone else will be charged with Prince's death. If the laws were written as though someone could be charged with a crime for their own death, Prince would be charged.

5. With the amount of pills found (coupled with the purported levels of toxicity expressed and his BMI), the transition from overdose to death was within 1-4 minutes at best. Prince died a much more peaceful death than that of person going thru end stage pain from a terminal illness that eventually leads to death.

6.The elevator is the dead give away as it relates to time and location.

Great pointing out that WE DON'T KNOW what else he had in his system because we don't have access to the full autopsy&tox! It would tell a lot more if we did know. The only thing that was on the published report which was about 10% of the actual autopsy report states fentanyl toxicity as a cause of death and the only reason there was very little info on other drugs is because the amount of fentanyl in his system was the reason he died (cause of death), any other drug in his system be it mescaline for all we know did NOT matter. All other pertinent information is in the full autopsy report. Since the matter of death was ruled accidental that suggests that he did not have a bunch of undigested pills in his stomach because they wouldn't have had time to be absorbed by the time fentanyl took effect. I have to say, I find it a bit disturbing that so many people want to read the full report. Have you ever read one?(not meaning you Menes, rather 'you' as in people here) I have. Too many to count. If you respect Prince, you would not read the full report. I understand wanting answers and closure. That may never come. At best Tyka will write the book. Will she tell the truth? There's no way of knowing. Prince's death was not painful just like you said Menes. He was unconscious within a couple of minutes. That should be enough to give people solace. Reading someone's full autopsy report because you're curious is incredibly invasive. Just because one is dead doesn't mean that your right to dignity died with you. [Edited 1/21/18 19:07pm] [Edited 1/21/18 19:13pm]

all the time, with respect to the wrongful death cases i used to work on. in fact it used to be my job to get permission from the deceased's family (HIPAA compliant Authorization for the Release of Medical Records) then use that to obtain all medical records pertaining to the deceased including full autopsy reports. it used to be my job to summarize medical records, including the autopsy reports. man was that job depressing.

anyway this is standard in a wrongful death case (car accident, medical malpractice and so on) for both the plaintiif and the defense - for example, was the deceased on drugs at the time of the fatal car accident? in medical malpractice, did the deceased have an underlying condition (arrhythmia leading to heart failure?, kidney disease? undetected cancer?, etc.) that may have contributed to his/her demise? this is vital knowedge and would be even more important in a homicide investigation, such as in this case.

now personally, i do not want to read Prince's full autopsy report as it would likely be painful and i am no longer in that particular line of work and am not working on his file, but because his death has been labeled a homicide i do confess to curiosity and can certainly understand why people are frustrated without knowledge of what truly happened to him when he passed. just my 2c. simply a counter-perspective, not an attack on you personally.

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