Edited to clarify: I’m deleting my own comment here -- don't actually want to engage on this; it's been discussed a lot already

laurarichardson said:

I think there is a difference between people like Tom whose hip had completly broken and people using these drugs recreationally. Both need to be dealt with compassion but I am sure people who have medical problems may be delaying them due to the fear of the stigma that has developed around these meds. Not all suffers of pain pill addiction are using these drugs because they want to but because they have to.

I know reserchers are working on the use of stem cells and electrical charges and alternatives to pain pills for chronic pain. I think the issue of the pain meds has two different roads.

1) Finding alternatives to pain pills for medical issues that are not are terminal.

2) Ending the rampant flow of illegal pain pills into the streets and stopping pain pills from being prescribed for all but serious pain issues. ( no getting percocet for a wisdom tooth)

disch said:

Utterly tragic. This opioid epidemic is truly one of the biggest crises our country has faced in recent decades, and no one is immume.

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I hope we as a society are respectful and compassionate to ALL people who have been lost to this devastating epidemic, including people suffering from physical pain, emotional pain, people who are addicted, people who are desperate. ALL life has value and EVERY person is worth saving. Every one. We need to focus on saving every single life, from a rock star to a homeless person.

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Don't engage but not sure why it has to be deleted.

disch said:

delete -- don't actually want to engage on this; it's been discussed a lot already

laurarichardson said:

I think there is a difference between people like Tom whose hip had completly broken and people using these drugs recreationally. Both need to be dealt with compassion but I am sure people who have medical problems may be delaying them due to the fear of the stigma that has developed around these meds. Not all suffers of pain pill addiction are using these drugs because they want to but because they have to.

I know reserchers are working on the use of stem cells and electrical charges and alternatives to pain pills for chronic pain. I think the issue of the pain meds has two different roads.

1) Finding alternatives to pain pills for medical issues that are not are terminal.

2) Ending the rampant flow of illegal pain pills into the streets and stopping pain pills from being prescribed for all but serious pain issues. ( no getting percocet for a wisdom tooth)

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I deleted my own comment. I decided I didn't want to post it on this thread after all. You're free to post whatever you want.

laurarichardson said:

Don't engage but not sure why it has to be deleted.

disch said:

delete -- don't actually want to engage on this; it's been discussed a lot already

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Thank you

disch said:

I deleted my own comment. I decided I didn't want to post it on this thread after all. You're free to post whatever you want.

laurarichardson said:

Don't engage but not sure why it has to be deleted.

The question that I have about this story is the Sheriff took two years to gather information that he is now taking to the DA???

The D.A. doesn't have to wait for the Sheriff or any law enforcement official to gather evidence. The D.A. can conviene a Grand Jury and bring in Kirk or whoever to testify and then bring charges.

That should have been done April 28, 2016.

muleFunk said:

is fentanyl ONLY in illegal drugs or illegal pills??? u cant go to a doctor and mistakenly get a prescription with fentanyl in it....right?

laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

The question that I have about this story is the Sheriff took two years to gather information that he is now taking to the DA???

The D.A. doesn't have to wait for the Sheriff or any law enforcement official to gather evidence. The D.A. can conviene a Grand Jury and bring in Kirk or whoever to testify and then bring charges.

That should have been done April 28, 2016.

——- I wonder if the police executed a search warrant for Kirk and crew homes, person or vehicles?

If they did it would have been done April/May 2016.
DA could have done all of this in secret two years ago unless something new came up. Even so the DA wouldn't announce this without having a Grand Jury indictment.

luvsexy4all said:

is fentanyl ONLY in illegal drugs or illegal pills??? u cant go to a doctor and mistakenly get a prescription with fentanyl in it....right?

Fentanyl is prescribed to the terminally ill.

You cannot get a prescription by mistake and it have Fentanyl in it although I did hear of a case where some mail order firms got a bad batch a couple of years ago.

muleFunk said:

luvsexy4all said:

is fentanyl ONLY in illegal drugs or illegal pills??? u cant go to a doctor and mistakenly get a prescription with fentanyl in it....right?

Fentanyl is prescribed to the terminally ill.

You cannot get a prescription by mistake and it have Fentanyl in it although I did hear of a case where some mail order firms got a bad batch a couple of years ago.

theres ads all over NY saying fentanyl can be put in coacaine,heroine and pills....its seems like theyre saying if u dont do illegal drugs u r ok

rogifan said:

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain. https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

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I was shocked when I found out last night. He perfomed 50 concerts with a fractured hip??

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I had no idea he was dealing with so many health issues. I'm glad his family is speaking-out about opioid abuse. I'm just shaking my head hear and wondering who the hell was his doctor??!!

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain. https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

On the day he died he was informed his hip had graduated to a full on break and it is our feeling that the pain was simply unbearable and was the cause for his over use of medication,”

Sounds like he legit health issues. No one is going to walk around in pain all day. I hope people are respectful.

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That is insane that he was walking around and performing with a broken hip! He should have been in surgery! My late Mother broke her hip and had to have emergency surgery!!

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Who are his doctors?? Then again, maybe he ignored his doctor's order? This is insane.

luvsexy4all said:

muleFunk said:

Fentanyl is prescribed to the terminally ill.

You cannot get a prescription by mistake and it have Fentanyl in it although I did hear of a case where some mail order firms got a bad batch a couple of years ago.

theres ads all over NY saying fentanyl can be put in coacaine,heroine and pills....its seems like theyre saying if u dont do illegal drugs u r ok

What they are actually doing is telling drug addicts to seek out Fentanyl to get you high.

The whole "Opioid Crisis" is just like the Crack Cocaine specials in the 1980's. Did nothing but make addicts seek the drug more.

disch said:

Utterly tragic. This opioid epidemic is truly one of the biggest crises our country has faced in recent decades, and no one is immume.

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I hope we as a society are respectful and compassionate to ALL people who have been lost to this devastating epidemic, including people suffering from physical pain, emotional pain, people who are addicted, people who are desperate. ALL life has value and EVERY person is worth saving. Every one. We need to focus on saving every single life, from a rock star to a homeless person.

rogifan said:

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain. https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

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Yes, it is beyond horrifying what is happening in our soceity with opioid abuse. It seems it's almost too late to help some people, because the damage is already done. Opioids are highly-addictive and the person needs professional help and counseling to get off them.

muleFunk said:

The question that I have about this story is the Sheriff took two years to gather information that he is now taking to the DA???

The D.A. doesn't have to wait for the Sheriff or any law enforcement official to gather evidence. The D.A. can conviene a Grand Jury and bring in Kirk or whoever to testify and then bring charges.

That should have been done April 28, 2016.

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I could not agree with you more.

muleFunk said:

luvsexy4all said:

is fentanyl ONLY in illegal drugs or illegal pills??? u cant go to a doctor and mistakenly get a prescription with fentanyl in it....right?

Fentanyl is prescribed to the terminally ill.

You cannot get a prescription by mistake and it have Fentanyl in it although I did hear of a case where some mail order firms got a bad batch a couple of years ago.

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Correct. It's only given to terminal cancer patients who are in an extreme amount of pain (end of life).

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They use Fentanyl to sedate elephants, so that gives you a good idea of how powerful this drug is.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Correct. It's only given to terminal cancer patients who are in an extreme amount of pain (end of life).

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They use Fentanyl to sedate elephants, so that gives you a good idea of how powerful this drug is.

Not true Fentanyl has been given to patients who are not terminal. The patches have been known to be defective and people have died from putting too many on and chewing on the patches. Apparently his family is saying he had Rxs for this stuff.

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Typically, Fentanyl is given to a patient when they have exhausted all other treatments/meds. You don't just give Fentanyl for a little pain. Fentanyl is extremely powerful and deadly, if not administered properly. If Tom Petty's doctor was prescribing him Fentanyl, then something is really f-up there!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: Not true Fentanyl has been given to patients who are not terminal. The patches have been known to be defective and people have died from putting too many on and chewing on the patches. Apparently his family is saying he had Rxs for this stuff.

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Typically, Fentanyl is given to a patient when they have exhausted all other treatments/meds. You don't just give Fentanyl for a little pain. Fentanyl is extremely powerful and deadly, if not administered properly. If Tom Petty's doctor was prescribing him Fentanyl, then something is really f-up there!

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/fentanyl-transdermal-route/proper-use/drg-20068152

Instructions on how to put the patches on at home. Also there are lawsuits for people who had these prescribed and the patches were defective and gave out to much med and killed people.

Not everybody who gets them is terminal. In some cases they are given to patients who no longer are feeling the effects of other pain meds. Also Tom Petty's wife said his hip was broken the day they went to the hospital the day before he died. Apparently he had a frature when he went out on tour.

She also said he had knee problems and breathing issues.

muleFunk said:

The question that I have about this story is the Sheriff took two years to gather information that he is now taking to the DA???

The D.A. doesn't have to wait for the Sheriff or any law enforcement official to gather evidence. The D.A. can conviene a Grand Jury and bring in Kirk or whoever to testify and then bring charges.

That should have been done April 28, 2016.

Do you think they held off because the DEA became involved?

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Typically, Fentanyl is given to a patient when they have exhausted all other treatments/meds. You don't just give Fentanyl for a little pain. Fentanyl is extremely powerful and deadly, if not administered properly. If Tom Petty's doctor was prescribing him Fentanyl, then something is really f-up there!

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/fentanyl-transdermal-route/proper-use/drg-20068152

Instructions on how to put the patches on at home. Also there are lawsuits for people who had these prescribed and the patches were defective and gave out to much med and killed people.

Not everybody who gets them is terminal. In some cases they are given to patients who no longer are feeling the effects of other pain meds. Also Tom Petty's wife said his hip was broken the day they went to the hospital the day before he died. Apparently he had a frature when he went out on tour.

She also said he had knee problems and breathing issues.

This is correct, it's not just for terminally ill patients.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

On another note Dr.S was listed as a critical care doctor before he did his disappearing act and now he is once again listed again as a critical care doctor. http://www.wellness.com/d...d#referrer Intensivist Info Intensivist Summary: An Intensivist is a physician specializing in the diagnosis and management of life threatening conditions requiring sophisticated organ support and invasive monitoring. An Intensivist may care for a patient requiring support for hemodynamic instability (hypertension/hypotension), airway or respiratory compromise (such as ventilator support), acute renal failure, potentially lethal cardiac arrhythmias, or the cumulative effects of multiple organ failure. An Intensivist closely monitors their critically ill patients and must determine whether or not they have a reasonable chance of recovery to stay in the ICU. The intensivist works to keep the patient alive and helps the patient fight the condition which landed her or him in the ICU, with the goal of helping the patient recover. Intensivist FAQs: What is an Intensivist [Edited 1/18/18 17:09pm]

Holy sh*t. So basically, they are there to act if there's an organ failure, or did I get that wrong?

And if that is right, could the organ failure have been due to Prince's opiate use?

Please don't be too hard with me if I got this wrong tho, it's late where I live

Hey TWD: U R 2 CUTE!!!!!xoxo

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

On another note Dr.S was listed as a critical care doctor before he did his disappearing act and now he is once again listed again as a critical care doctor. http://www.wellness.com/d...d#referrer Intensivist Info Intensivist Summary: An Intensivist is a physician specializing in the diagnosis and management of life threatening conditions requiring sophisticated organ support and invasive monitoring. An Intensivist may care for a patient requiring support for hemodynamic instability (hypertension/hypotension), airway or respiratory compromise (such as ventilator support), acute renal failure, potentially lethal cardiac arrhythmias, or the cumulative effects of multiple organ failure. An Intensivist closely monitors their critically ill patients and must determine whether or not they have a reasonable chance of recovery to stay in the ICU. The intensivist works to keep the patient alive and helps the patient fight the condition which landed her or him in the ICU, with the goal of helping the patient recover. Intensivist FAQs: What is an Intensivist [Edited 1/18/18 17:09pm]

Holy sh*t. So basically, they are there to act if there's an organ failure, or did I get that wrong?

And if that is right, could the organ failure have been due to Prince's opiate use?

Please don't be too hard with me if I got this wrong tho, it's late where I live

Two things. If he was presribed pain pills years ago and actually did not abuse them he would of been at risk for organ problems. If he abused these drugs for 30 years which some people on this board think he would have been at even greater risk for organ failure or liver disease.

It makes no sense that he was getting test results the next day from Dr. S if he was going to rehab. Prince was not in the hospital that night and Dr. S nor Andrew would have no idea what he had taken the night before if they were going to give him Subonxe. How can you administer any sort of treatment if you do not know what your patient had taken and you have no recent test?

Dr. S did not have the training to give the Subonxe and neither did Andrew. I believe Prince was trying to withdraw from these pains because of other health reasons beyond just trying to beat an addiction. If he had organ problems he would have had to stop using those pain pills immediatly which we know is impossible without dire consequences. I think those test results were bad news to confirm whatever he spent the day in the hospital for on the 20th.

There is more to this story then just addiction.

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Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Typically, Fentanyl is given to a patient when they have exhausted all other treatments/meds. You don't just give Fentanyl for a little pain. Fentanyl is extremely powerful and deadly, if not administered properly. If Tom Petty's doctor was prescribing him Fentanyl, then something is really f-up there!

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/fentanyl-transdermal-route/proper-use/drg-20068152

Instructions on how to put the patches on at home. Also there are lawsuits for people who had these prescribed and the patches were defective and gave out to much med and killed people.

Not everybody who gets them is terminal. In some cases they are given to patients who no longer are feeling the effects of other pain meds. Also Tom Petty's wife said his hip was broken the day they went to the hospital the day before he died. Apparently he had a frature when he went out on tour.

She also said he had knee problems and breathing issues.

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I understand he was taking Fentanyl patches. From what I read about Fentanyl; it is only to be used as a last-resort. Opioids shouldn't be given for long-term care because of the fact they are highly-addictive, and this is why we keep seeing this happening.

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Yes, he had emphysema.

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Bottom line is, he shouldn't have been touring with a fractured hip.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/fentanyl-transdermal-route/proper-use/drg-20068152

Instructions on how to put the patches on at home. Also there are lawsuits for people who had these prescribed and the patches were defective and gave out to much med and killed people.

Not everybody who gets them is terminal. In some cases they are given to patients who no longer are feeling the effects of other pain meds. Also Tom Petty's wife said his hip was broken the day they went to the hospital the day before he died. Apparently he had a frature when he went out on tour.

She also said he had knee problems and breathing issues.

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I understand he was taking Fentanyl patches. From what I read about Fentanyl; it is only to be used as a last-resort. Opioids shouldn't be given for long-term care because of the fact they are highly-addictive, and this is why we keep seeing this happening.

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Yes, he had emphysema.

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Bottom line is, he shouldn't have been touring with a fractured hip.

Unfortunatly, they are sometimes prescribed for patients who are finding other meds no longer help with chronic pain. Also remember people can have joint problems from arithtic conditions. It could be that Tom had a choice of sitting in a wheelchair and taking pain meds or being on stage doing his final shows.

voph said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Yep..more proof that he was ILL

. Nope. Prince was murdered. A medium already said what happened to Prince and said he was not ill, he did not have a hip problem and Prince was not taking the medication found in his system. This medium named some of the players who were involved in setting up Prince’s murder to look like a drug overdose but it wasn’t.

Um I listened to that interview...

so Ray Roberts and his wife were slowly poisoning Prince on the Order of Hilary Clinton !!!!!!!!!!!

YES..thats it...

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I understand he was taking Fentanyl patches. From what I read about Fentanyl; it is only to be used as a last-resort. Opioids shouldn't be given for long-term care because of the fact they are highly-addictive, and this is why we keep seeing this happening.

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Yes, he had emphysema.

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Bottom line is, he shouldn't have been touring with a fractured hip.

Unfortunatly, they are sometimes prescribed for patients who are finding other meds no longer help with chronic pain. Also remember people can have joint problems from arithtic conditions. It could be that Tom had a choice of sitting in a wheelchair and taking pain meds or being on stage doing his final shows.

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Yes, and we keep hearing about Rheumatoid Arthritis (inflammation of joints), which is very painful. Also, Fibromyalgia (nerve damage from injury/spinal chord). It is also used to control seizures. It's possible that Prince could have had RA, which would explain why it was difficult for him to play the guitar. Same thing happened with Dolores O'Riordan; she was having trouble playing the guitar because of her back injury.

Lovejunky said:

voph said:

Strawberrylova123 said: . Nope. Prince was murdered. A medium already said what happened to Prince and said he was not ill, he did not have a hip problem and Prince was not taking the medication found in his system. This medium named some of the players who were involved in setting up Prince’s murder to look like a drug overdose but it wasn’t.

Um I listened to that interview...

so Ray Roberts and his wife were slowly poisoning Prince on the Order of Hilary Clinton !!!!!!!!!!!

YES..thats it...

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Is this about Abigail Noel?

muleFunk said:

luvsexy4all said:

is fentanyl ONLY in illegal drugs or illegal pills??? u cant go to a doctor and mistakenly get a prescription with fentanyl in it....right?

Fentanyl is prescribed to the terminally ill.

You cannot get a prescription by mistake and it have Fentanyl in it although I did hear of a case where some mail order firms got a bad batch a couple of years ago.

It is not only prescribed to the termanilly ill, it's prescribed for chronic pain also.