laurarichardson said:

Co-sign. Also someone else mention that knew someone that did hang on for a bit with PC with the treatements that have today he may have been able to deal with this for a while. Could have been caught early and returned. I know that their is a very popular gossip site that said he had Sephis back in the Fall of 2015 and this can be a side effect of cancer. Along with the rumors last fall that the family was hiring a malpractice lawyer well sure enough back in the Spring we see that Tyka did have a malpratice attorney listed in the court papers. I do not know if the family dropped this idea but it is obvious other things were going with P's health then addiction. The addiction appears to have been a side effect of on going health issues. It is ashamed that some people on this board just will not get off the poor recreational drug user angle. Even the most distant of associates have said repeatly that he was not a recreational drug user and we have no evidence of it until the last months of his life.

People get sick I am not so sure why this is so hard to believe.

And why should any of us believe that it was PC? Mulefunk said he had someone in the inner circle say it was leukemia. Other people have said it was AIDS, people have said suicide, and now PC?

Seriously I don't think 1 single person on this thread, thinks that he was a drugged out rock-star. I think he was sick from something, but in all honesty none of us here really know what it was. Quite frankly it's everybody out in the real world that are thinking he was a drugged out rock star and that's because that is what they are led to believe.

The Nelson's don't owe us anything, BUT it would be damn nice if they would come out and tell us what really happened. If it was a disease they could come out with a foundation for that said disease just like Christopher Reeve did, and they could really help other less fortunate people diagnosed with the same thing. THAT, my dear is what is shameful, that they could really help with research on what ever it was and they aren't even thinking about it.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign. Also someone else mention that knew someone that did hang on for a bit with PC with the treatements that have today he may have been able to deal with this for a while. Could have been caught early and returned. I know that their is a very popular gossip site that said he had Sephis back in the Fall of 2015 and this can be a side effect of cancer. Along with the rumors last fall that the family was hiring a malpractice lawyer well sure enough back in the Spring we see that Tyka did have a malpratice attorney listed in the court papers. I do not know if the family dropped this idea but it is obvious other things were going with P's health then addiction. The addiction appears to have been a side effect of on going health issues. It is ashamed that some people on this board just will not get off the poor recreational drug user angle. Even the most distant of associates have said repeatly that he was not a recreational drug user and we have no evidence of it until the last months of his life.

People get sick I am not so sure why this is so hard to believe.

And why should any of us believe that it was PC? Mulefunk said he had someone in the inner circle say it was leukemia. Other people have said it was AIDS, people have said suicide, and now PC?

Seriously I don't think 1 single person on this thread, thinks that he was a drugged out rock-star. I think he was sick from something, but in all honesty none of us here really know what it was. Quite frankly it's everybody out in the real world that are thinking he was a drugged out rock star and that's because that is what they are led to believe.

The Nelson's don't owe us anything, BUT it would be damn nice if they would come out and tell us what really happened. If it was a disease they could come out with a foundation for that said disease just like Christopher Reeve did, and they could really help other less fortunate people diagnosed with the same thing. THAT, my dear is what is shameful, that they could really help with research on what ever it was and they aren't even thinking about it.

The Nelson's are not in control of the estate. I would wait and see what they do when they are in control.

As far as PC this is coming from family. Not sure why they would make this up and the only two things that seem to keep coming up is cancer/terminal. I have not found anyone in his circle to say he had AIDS. In fact the whole AIDS thing came from gossip websites and the National Enquier and never came up in the mainstream press.

We do not have to believe it but I am sure we will find out soon enough.

Menes said:

There seems to be some confusion here in regards to time and date as to their relation to events.

1. For starters, Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg on two occasions before his death. Those dates are on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016. Oxycodone was prescribed (4-7-2016) and test were run on 4-20-2016 .

2. Note that the 4-7-2016 date is way before the show in Atlanta.

3. On 4-14-2016 Kirk Johnson contacted Dr. Schulenberg and a prescription was written for Prince but placed in Kirk's name for Prince's privacy according to Dr. Schulenberg's own statements in the warrant. This was more Oxycodone and was done while Prince was here in Atlanta. That would mean that upon his return , the meds would be available.

4. On 4-15-2016, the doctor in Moline states that Prince suffered an opiate overdose. It is morre than likely he traveled with "x" substance(s) to Atlanta, in my opinion.

5. On 4-15-2016 Dr. Schulenberg prescribes Clonidine, Hydroxzine Pamoate and Diazepam for Prince These were to be filled @ Walgreens according to Dr. Schulenberg's statements in the warrant.

6. Andrew Kornfeld states the meeting was arranged on 4-20-16, and that scheduling the meeting was at the last minute. He stated that he at no time had any time to meet with Prince in order to discuss the reason they would meet.

7. The preliminary autopsy reports indicated the presence of controlled substances in Prince's system.

* I counted at least 4 prescribed medications for Prince to include opiates.

Summary

Prince was quite capable of procuring prescription medication for whatever the ailment was if he so desired. There would be no need to use illicit backdoor channels to do so. Prince did not have a regular doctor and confided in Dr. Schulenberg through his relationship with Kirk Johnson.

If Prince had underlying medical conditions(as in cancer), it appears Dr. Schulenberg either did not know about it or was willing to take orders from Prince and work around it by not providing him with adequate prescription medication to deal with "x".

It is apparent that Kirk Johnson would be acutely aware of Prince's addiction to opiates, or, a particular underlying condition such as cancer since he was the one that introduced Prince to Dr. Schulenberg, had opiates placed in his name, provided Dr. Schulenberg with information concerning what Prince needed and lastly, went with Prince to pick up additional medication the night before Prince died.

If we are to assume that Kirk Johnson had to know these things, why would Kirk Johnson agree to stage an intervention for Prince which would further subject Prince to severe excruciating pain from said underlying condition?

I assume that between 4-15-2016 and 4-20-16 there had to have been an erratic change in behavior for them to want to stage such an impromptu intervention one day before his death. Chances are he did not see this intervention coming at all.

Lastly, ( and as per the warrant) there was more than one substance found in his system. This tells me that not only was he aware of opiate toxicity, but that this idea of "it was just the fentanyl" is merely a way of tampering down the noise concerning the assortment of things found in his system at that time. Thank goodness for that preliminary short form.

[Edited 1/3/18 18:12pm]

[Edited 1/3/18 18:13pm]

-4-7-16 is the date P cancelled his Atlanta concert at the last minute. Most likely the insurers wanted a physician's statement.

-No prescriptions were written on 4-15-16. Is this a typo? It appears those scripts were written on 4-20-16.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

There seems to be some confusion here in regards to time and date as to their relation to events.

1. For starters, Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg on two occasions before his death. Those dates are on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016. Oxycodone was prescribed (4-7-2016) and test were run on 4-20-2016 .

2. Note that the 4-7-2016 date is way before the show in Atlanta.

3. On 4-14-2016 Kirk Johnson contacted Dr. Schulenberg and a prescription was written for Prince but placed in Kirk's name for Prince's privacy according to Dr. Schulenberg's own statements in the warrant. This was more Oxycodone and was done while Prince was here in Atlanta. That would mean that upon his return , the meds would be available.

4. On 4-15-2016, the doctor in Moline states that Prince suffered an opiate overdose. It is morre than likely he traveled with "x" substance(s) to Atlanta, in my opinion.

5. On 4-15-2016 Dr. Schulenberg prescribes Clonidine, Hydroxzine Pamoate and Diazepam for Prince These were to be filled @ Walgreens according to Dr. Schulenberg's statements in the warrant.

6. Andrew Kornfeld states the meeting was arranged on 4-20-16, and that scheduling the meeting was at the last minute. He stated that he at no time had any time to meet with Prince in order to discuss the reason they would meet.

7. The preliminary autopsy reports indicated the presence of controlled substances in Prince's system.

* I counted at least 4 prescribed medications for Prince to include opiates.

Summary

Prince was quite capable of procuring prescription medication for whatever the ailment was if he so desired. There would be no need to use illicit backdoor channels to do so. Prince did not have a regular doctor and confided in Dr. Schulenberg through his relationship with Kirk Johnson.

If Prince had underlying medical conditions(as in cancer), it appears Dr. Schulenberg either did not know about it or was willing to take orders from Prince and work around it by not providing him with adequate prescription medication to deal with "x".

It is apparent that Kirk Johnson would be acutely aware of Prince's addiction to opiates, or, a particular underlying condition such as cancer since he was the one that introduced Prince to Dr. Schulenberg, had opiates placed in his name, provided Dr. Schulenberg with information concerning what Prince needed and lastly, went with Prince to pick up additional medication the night before Prince died.

If we are to assume that Kirk Johnson had to know these things, why would Kirk Johnson agree to stage an intervention for Prince which would further subject Prince to severe excruciating pain from said underlying condition?

I assume that between 4-15-2016 and 4-20-16 there had to have been an erratic change in behavior for them to want to stage such an impromptu intervention one day before his death. Chances are he did not see this intervention coming at all.

Lastly, ( and as per the warrant) there was more than one substance found in his system. This tells me that not only was he aware of opiate toxicity, but that this idea of "it was just the fentanyl" is merely a way of tampering down the noise concerning the assortment of things found in his system at that time. Thank goodness for that preliminary short form.

[Edited 1/3/18 18:12pm]

[Edited 1/3/18 18:13pm]

-4-7-16 is the date P cancelled his Atlanta concert at the last minute. Most likely the insurers wanted a physician's statement.

-No prescriptions were written on 4-15-16. Is this a typo? It appears those scripts were written on 4-20-16.

The prescriptions seemed to have been written on or around the 20th. It does say "prescribed but neglects to give the exact date of when it was written.... "on 4-20-2016 Johnson went to Walgreens"... So yes, it is more than likely that they were written that day. It's in the June 10th warrant. I had that date sequence of #4 and #5 as the same date (4-15 -2016) when they should have been separate . 4-15-2016, relates to the doctor in Moline stating that Prince suffered an opiate overdose . Thanks again for pointing out the typo in #4 and #5.

morningsong said:

That is where I had to stop too. I just don’t think it is far fetched to think
Kirk has a Rx for pain meds, he danced too and could easily have had them in his bag and they went missing. Mayte said hers went missing. They both could have been pain sufferers.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Who is to say that what happened on the 'plane was an overdose though?
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If - IF - Prince had an underlying disease / health condition of which we're currently unaware (and perhaps neither was Judith), he could well have only taken the 'one or two Percocets' but passed out due to that other condition...Remember, please, Narcan is given to ANYONE who is unconscious for unknown reasons, JUST IN CASE they have taken an overdose. It may well be coincidental that he came round shortly afterwards, possibly because he was being given oxygen, etc, and / or the seizure ended naturally.
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Let's just say that he did have pancreatic cancer which he was keeping quiet from virtually everyone - in its latter stages, some tumours can cause over-production of insulin, leading to low blood sugar, seizures, passing out, or even going into a coma.
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If we think back to Judith's description of P's state on the 'plane, she said his eyes fixed and he then became unconscious...Subsequently, Dr Drew said that sounded more like a seizure than a drug overdose. Remember also, she said he spoke of having to 'fight' to get back into his body - perhaps he felt it wasn't the right time to go just then - that he didn't want to go out on those terms, with people around him, in a strange hospital miles from his beloved PP.

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Perhaps it was after this incident that P realised he couldn't risk something like that happening again - particularly if he were on stage, for example - and so he made the decision himself to take the fentanyl (whether it was a deliberate decision to commit suicide OR a case of putting which pill he selected into God's hands, who knows)...I just think that rather than being a 'practice attempt' at suicide, the Moline incident may actually have been the TRIGGER to prompting the final act.

If he had a seziure he may have decided enough was enough. I have an in-law who died from PC and he went into the hospital with a stroke had two seziures in the hospital and after test the doctors realized it was the PC that caused the stroke and seziures. This PC was putting a strain on the system that was so bad it caused seizures and strokes that this is what took his life.

P may have saw himself on the road to rehab from taking too many of these meds on on the road to a hospice and decided to put a stop to it all.

Also, thinking back to Judith's interview...I seem to recall her saying she (and others?) put pressure on him to 'promise' to do something about his health when he got home from the hospital...IF we assume she (and others) didn't know about a terminal condition, it could well be that he simply let them think he was struggling with opiates (I know to some this might seem bizarre but it may have been well-intentioned - he simply didn't want them to pity him, or feel powerless to help) so he went through the motions of agreeing to an intervention / rehab - knowing all along that he there was no chance of him going through with it.
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Just my musings...

Menes said:

If Prince didn’t want jimmy jam and terry giving away the “sound”, do you even think he would be ok with her giving away his life story. Maybe it was one of her
Directives he left. If you write one don’t give it away. Let my death bring you
Something. I could see him saying that.

PennyPurple said:

People get sick I am not so sure why this is so hard to believe.

And why should any of us believe that it was PC? Mulefunk said he had someone in the inner circle say it was leukemia. Other people have said it was AIDS, people have said suicide, and now PC?

Seriously I don't think 1 single person on this thread, thinks that he was a drugged out rock-star. I think he was sick from something, but in all honesty none of us here really know what it was. Quite frankly it's everybody out in the real world that are thinking he was a drugged out rock star and that's because that is what they are led to believe.

The Nelson's don't owe us anything, BUT it would be damn nice if they would come out and tell us what really happened. If it was a disease they could come out with a foundation for that said disease just like Christopher Reeve did, and they could really help other less fortunate people diagnosed with the same thing. THAT, my dear is what is shameful, that they could really help with research on what ever it was and they aren't even thinking about it.

Interestingly, it seems there is some evidence to show that a particular genetic mutation can lead to the development of both leukemia AND pancreatic cancer.
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'Chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL)-induced immunodeficiency has been implicated in the occurrence of several secondary or concurrent malignancies. We hereby present the first case of combined CLL and pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor...'

http://www.cancertm.com/article.asp?issn=2395-3977;year=2016;volume=2;issue=3;spage=90;epage=94;aulast=Huang
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Having done some reading, it seems that key indicators of these co-existing conditions is jaundice and bone pain - but that the symptoms can continue to be both non-specific and of long duration - with (as in the one example I am about to post) patients leading active lives until a diagnosis is made - at which point, disease has spread...In the following case, medics were uncertain whether the patient was predisposed genetically to develop leukemia as well as PC, or if the treatment for PC led to the leukemia. Either way, it demonstrates that one cancer doesn't preclude the other:
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'The patient's review of symptoms was notable for intermittent mild back pain relieved with NSAIDS and was otherwise negative. She remained physically active and able to complete all her activities of daily living. On physical examination, she was a robust woman with vitality, who appeared younger than her stated age of 72'.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3674464/

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

If he had a seziure he may have decided enough was enough. I have an in-law who died from PC and he went into the hospital with a stroke had two seziures in the hospital and after test the doctors realized it was the PC that caused the stroke and seziures. This PC was putting a strain on the system that was so bad it caused seizures and strokes that this is what took his life.

P may have saw himself on the road to rehab from taking too many of these meds on on the road to a hospice and decided to put a stop to it all.

Also, thinking back to Judith's interview...I seem to recall her saying she (and others?) put pressure on him to 'promise' to do something about his health when he got home from the hospital...IF we assume she (and others) didn't know about a terminal condition, it could well be that he simply let them think he was struggling with opiates (I know to some this might seem bizarre but it may have been well-intentioned - he simply didn't want them to pity him, or feel powerless to help) so he went through the motions of agreeing to an intervention / rehab - knowing all along that he there was no chance of him going through with it.
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Just my musings...

I don't think that is bizarre at all. What is bizarre is to believe that he would want to have his name dragged through the mud for over two years with some of the most vicious rumors you could spread simply because a select few were allowed access to whatever the truth is. That is farcical and defies all sensibilities. One thing is for certain , if Tyka knew, and is contemplating anything that resembles an event for profit based upon that , that should remove any doubt about her "self-effacing" demeanor.

Thank you. It would really suck to have both.

Dibblekins said:

PennyPurple said:

And why should any of us believe that it was PC? Mulefunk said he had someone in the inner circle say it was leukemia. Other people have said it was AIDS, people have said suicide, and now PC?

Seriously I don't think 1 single person on this thread, thinks that he was a drugged out rock-star. I think he was sick from something, but in all honesty none of us here really know what it was. Quite frankly it's everybody out in the real world that are thinking he was a drugged out rock star and that's because that is what they are led to believe.

The Nelson's don't owe us anything, BUT it would be damn nice if they would come out and tell us what really happened. If it was a disease they could come out with a foundation for that said disease just like Christopher Reeve did, and they could really help other less fortunate people diagnosed with the same thing. THAT, my dear is what is shameful, that they could really help with research on what ever it was and they aren't even thinking about it.

Interestingly, it seems there is some evidence to show that a particular genetic mutation can lead to the development of both leukemia AND pancreatic cancer.
.
'Chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL)-induced immunodeficiency has been implicated in the occurrence of several secondary or concurrent malignancies. We hereby present the first case of combined CLL and pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor...'

http://www.cancertm.com/article.asp?issn=2395-3977;year=2016;volume=2;issue=3;spage=90;epage=94;aulast=Huang
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Having done some reading, it seems that key indicators of these co-existing conditions is jaundice and bone pain - but that the symptoms can continue to be both non-specific and of long duration - with (as in the one example I am about to post) patients leading active lives until a diagnosis is made - at which point, disease has spread...In the following case, medics were uncertain whether the patient was predisposed genetically to develop leukemia as well as PC, or if the treatment for PC led to the leukemia. Either way, it demonstrates that one cancer doesn't preclude the other:
.
'The patient's review of symptoms was notable for intermittent mild back pain relieved with NSAIDS and was otherwise negative. She remained physically active and able to complete all her activities of daily living. On physical examination, she was a robust woman with vitality, who appeared younger than her stated age of 72'.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3674464/

Menes, thanks for trying to keep this conversation (if folks here insist on continuing to have it) to actual facts.

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Look, I'll be frank: If Prince were in the final stages of terminal cancer, and how he chose to address that is by self-medicating the pain with sketchy opioids he acquired illegally, then I'm afraid he had some serious phychologial illness along with the physical. That would simply be an irrational -- and, obviously, dangerous -- deicsion by him, no matter how anyone here would try to explain it away. And the idea that he wouldn't go to a doctor because he wanted to "maintain privacy" is laughable. For one: Every day celebs get treatment from doctors for all kinds of things that we know absolutely nothing about. And if he was THAT paranoid about possible public exposure, he would really feel it was more solidly secret if he got random illegal drugs from some supplier? If that was his actual thought process, then I'm sorry, but there was something very wrong with him.

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But I don't believe that was his thought process because there's simply no factual information that aligns with him having a late-stage terminal illness.

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The fact is, he was addicted to opioids, and all this endless discussion stems from some people's deep rooted prejudice and ignorance about people they consider "junkies," "pill-heads" and other forms of human trash. Some people feel more comfortable thinking of Prince enduring a painful, terrifying terminal diagnosis than thinking of him as struggling with addiction.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord have mercy women. He could have gotten drugs for cancer but did not want to leave a paper trail no one said he could not get them from a Doctor. If he had simple blood pressure meds written under an assumed name because he did not want anyone to know about those why would he want a doctor to write him a legit script for pain pills so the whole world would know his business.

Also he was not going to get anyone to write a controlled substance under an assumed name. Dr. S claims those pain pills were written for Kirk not Prince and that he never wrote a pain pill for Prince at all and not under an assumed name. Is Dr. S in jail?

Remember a gossip site said that Prince had sephis which can also be a results of cancer treatment. Kirk said Prince was in the hospital before for treatment but he did not know for what.

We know he was taken to the hospital from Paisley in 2012 from the Carver County logs.

He also had loads of Vitamin D pills which are given to cancer patients under going treatment.

We know from the documentary he was going into the Walgreens and getting something from the Pharmcy. A lot of coincedences.

The lord is not concerned with this conversation.

Who is to say he needed anything legitimate. You are assuming he had something that required a prescription.

Why was Dr. Schulenberg bringing him test results on the same day Andrew was to arrive and administer additional substances to curb withdrawal? Do you know how buprenorphine reacts with other opiates that are still in your system? Do you know the risk? Furthermore, do you know the tests that are required and how many days to determine the test type? What are they testing for , Laura? I'm sure you know.

Did it occur to you that if he had "x" type of cancer that may have been terminal, the type of drugs that were found is not indicative of anything near what he should have tried to procure for pain? Watson 853's are trash. A bottom feeders way of dealing with serious pain. You could look on the black web right now and procure things that would have a much better impact on pain.

Did it occur to you that there is a counter balance in the mix of drugs found at Paisley Park?

disch said:

Menes, thanks for trying to keep this conversation (if folks here insist on continuing to have it) to actual facts.

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Look, I'll be frank: If Prince were in the final stages of terminal cancer, and how he chose to address that is by self-medicating the pain with sketchy opioids he acquired illegally, then I'm afraid he had some serious phychologial illness along with the physical. That would simply be an irrational -- and, obviously, dangerous -- deicsion by him, no matter how anyone here would try to explain it away. And the idea that he wouldn't go to a doctor because he wanted to "maintain privacy" is laughable. For one: Every day celebs get treatment from doctors for all kinds of things that we know absolutely nothing about. And if he was THAT paranoid about possible public exposure, he would really feel it was more solidly secret if he got random illegal drugs from some supplier? If that was his actual thought process, then I'm sorry, but there was something very wrong with him.

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But I don't believe that was his thought process because there's simply no factual information that aligns with him having a late-stage terminal illness.

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The fact is, he was addicted to opioids, and all this endless discussion stems from some people's deep rooted prejudice and ignorance about people they consider "junkies," "pill-heads" and other forms of human trash. Some people feel more comfortable thinking of Prince enduring a painful, terrifying terminal diagnosis than thinking of him as struggling with addiction.

Disch - it's worth mentioning though that, actually, he only seemed to have ONE type of pill that was most certainly of dubious origin - the fake Watsons which contained the Fentanyl and which may have been a very recent acquisition - supported by sources which say he 'was not a long-term user of fentanyl'.
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All the other pills on display at PP were, in fact, legitimate pills, albeit obtained via - perhaps - another name. The recent documentary on Channel 4 for example, stated that Prince visited a pharmacy 4 times in the week(s) preceding his death. Now, as far as I can recall, there were no prescriptions for restricted medications made to Prince in the last year or more - but he was certainly collecting something from the pharmacy, whether they were 'other', unrestricted medications, or under an assumed name.
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Speaking personally, I have zero prejudice against people depending on pain medications to manage chronic illness. Indeed, I deal with such people every day: I hear their heart-breaking stories of physical suffering, and the anguish they feel at the stigma they encounter just for needing to live a relatively decent life, with as little pain as possible. However, I also think that describing Prince as being 'terrified' in any way (whether as a result of any perceived addiction, OR a possible terminal condition) may also be inaccurate...This is a man who didn't seem to fear death at all, but positively embraced the prospect; remember, this is the man who announced, 'I will celebrate the day I die'.
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Of course, you could be right and he may have been addicted to opiates - for no other reason than a long ago acquired injury. That is another possibility to which I, for one, am open. But I cannot deny feeling that there's more to it...I guess, one day, we may well find out.

[Edited 1/3/18 20:26pm]

Dibblekins said:

Also, thinking back to Judith's interview...I seem to recall her saying she (and others?) put pressure on him to 'promise' to do something about his health when he got home from the hospital...IF we assume she (and others) didn't know about a terminal condition, it could well be that he simply let them think he was struggling with opiates (I know to some this might seem bizarre but it may have been well-intentioned - he simply didn't want them to pity him, or feel powerless to help) so he went through the motions of agreeing to an intervention / rehab - knowing all along that he there was no chance of him going through with it.
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Just my musings...

I dont believe Judith's interview.

I think Judith knew what was going on with P's health.

Just saying.

Menes said:

Dibblekins said:

Also, thinking back to Judith's interview...I seem to recall her saying she (and others?) put pressure on him to 'promise' to do something about his health when he got home from the hospital...IF we assume she (and others) didn't know about a terminal condition, it could well be that he simply let them think he was struggling with opiates (I know to some this might seem bizarre but it may have been well-intentioned - he simply didn't want them to pity him, or feel powerless to help) so he went through the motions of agreeing to an intervention / rehab - knowing all along that he there was no chance of him going through with it.
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Just my musings...

I don't think that is bizarre at all. What is bizarre is to believe that he would want to have his name dragged through the mud for over two years with some of the most vicious rumors you could spread simply because a select few were allowed access to whatever the truth is. That is farcical and defies all sensibilities. One thing is for certain , if Tyka knew, and is contemplating anything that resembles an event for profit based upon that , that should remove any doubt about her "self-effacing" demeanor.

I'm not commenting on anything else except, when it comes to vicious rumors you do remember we are talking about Prince, you do remember the many, many, many delightful rumors that have been spread about him over the years, someone just reminded me on one of the weirdest ones, I can't think of many he addressed or tried to control he pretty much just let them fly whereever.

Dibblekins said:

God that sounds just awful

Menes said:

This speaks right to morningsongs fallibility statement.
Mistakes are made if no one is there to point them out they could be
All over those warrants.

I've successfully steered clear of threads that discuss how Prince passed for nearly two years even though I am as heartbroken as all of you are. Lurking on here and the Housequake site for 10+ years has shown me that most of what is written about Prince is conjecture and speculation. However, there are two things about him that should not even be up for debate at this point.

1. He was NOT a recreational drug user. Few people have careers as long as his and the "rock stars" that are fortunate enough to achieve longevity and live to tell about it have stories longer than all of P's albums combined about their drug use and debauchery. How many of his former associates have come forth since P's passing to say that they actually witnessed him taking drugs? ZERO. Not even from the laundry list of disgruntled ex-employees that he fired.

In a September 1983 Musician Magazine interview, he explained his feelings about drug use.

MUSICIAN: Were you doing drugs?

PRINCE: No. One thing that turned me off to that was seeing my brother get high. At first we all thought it was funny, but then I started asking him questions and he couldn’t answer ’em, you know. So I felt it was kinda stupid. And I didn’t want my mind all cloudy at any time, because I always felt. . . I don’t know, maybe it was a basic paranoia or something about me, but I didn’t want anybody sneaking up behind me, and doing me in, or taking my money, or tricking me in any way. So I never wanted to get high.

His views on drug use are evident in his music as well. Listen to Lovesexy or "Days of Wild". Those are just two that come to mind. I know the longtime fans already know this, but it still stings when I hear people who aren't familiar with the philosophy he expressed in his music discuss his passing as nothing more than another rock star cliche.

2. It was NOT a suicide. Investigators have already ruled it out, but for the skeptics, there was an article posted on the Star Tribune site not long after his death that described the state in which he was found. It said that his clothes were on backwards and his socks were worn inside out. That information haunted me for a while because it was so shockingly out of character. Maybe someone here has the link to that article or maybe that part has been edited out of the original piece. In any case, would it make sense for a man who hardly ever had a hair out of place to end their life premeditatedly in such a way? Hearing from close friends of his like Andre Cymone has given me a better perspective about what kind of dude Prince was and according to Cymone, he was always concerned with not only WHAT he was going to do, but HOW he was going to do it. Suicide? Hell NO.

Sorry, I feel like I just added kindling to a burning house. Discussing this stuff is kind of morbid, no?

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you got that right, anyone who gets self righteous should have to go through some real anguish. I get migraines, i've stated on here many times post-death that i stopped taking codeines for them. but i'd be lying if i didn't say that there were times i wished i was dead and times that i thought of taking the damn pills again. but.., you see, like i told my brother, nature at least tried to help us with some of these pains, the worst migraines i've had, if i tough them out, i actually get a natural high when it's over, it's like my own body gives me the opiates, which is what i've heard. of course, there is a helluva lot of difference between a migraine and chronic joint or cancer pain.

Dibblekins said:

disch said:

Menes, thanks for trying to keep this conversation (if folks here insist on continuing to have it) to actual facts.

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Look, I'll be frank: If Prince were in the final stages of terminal cancer, and how he chose to address that is by self-medicating the pain with sketchy opioids he acquired illegally, then I'm afraid he had some serious phychologial illness along with the physical. That would simply be an irrational -- and, obviously, dangerous -- deicsion by him, no matter how anyone here would try to explain it away. And the idea that he wouldn't go to a doctor because he wanted to "maintain privacy" is laughable. For one: Every day celebs get treatment from doctors for all kinds of things that we know absolutely nothing about. And if he was THAT paranoid about possible public exposure, he would really feel it was more solidly secret if he got random illegal drugs from some supplier? If that was his actual thought process, then I'm sorry, but there was something very wrong with him.

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But I don't believe that was his thought process because there's simply no factual information that aligns with him having a late-stage terminal illness.

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The fact is, he was addicted to opioids, and all this endless discussion stems from some people's deep rooted prejudice and ignorance about people they consider "junkies," "pill-heads" and other forms of human trash. Some people feel more comfortable thinking of Prince enduring a painful, terrifying terminal diagnosis than thinking of him as struggling with addiction.

Disch - it's worth mentioning though that, actually, he only seemed to have ONE type of pill that was most certainly of dubious origin - the fake Watsons which contained the Fentanyl and which may have been a very recent acquisition - supported by sources which say he 'was not a long-term user of fentanyl'.
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All the other pills on display at PP were, in fact, legitimate pills, albeit obtained via - perhaps - another name. The recent documentary on Channel 4 for example, stated that Prince visited a pharmacy 4 times in the week(s) preceding his death. Now, as far as I can recall, there were no prescriptions for restricted medications made to Prince in the last year or more - but he was certainly collecting something from the pharmacy, whether they were 'other', unrestricted medications, or under an assumed name.
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Speaking personally, I have zero prejudice against people depending on pain medications to manage chronic illness. Indeed, I deal with such people every day: I hear their heart-breaking stories of physical suffering, and the anguish they feel at the stigma they encounter just for needing to live a relatively decent life, with as little pain as possible. However, I also think that describing Prince as being 'terrified' in any way (whether as a result of any perceived addiction, OR a possible terminal condition) may also be inaccurate...This is a man who didn't seem to fear death at all, but positively embraced the prospect; remember, this is the man who announced, 'I will celebrate the day I die'.
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Of course, you could be right and he may have been addicted to opiates - for no other reason than a long ago acquired injury. That is another possibility to which I, for one, am open. But I cannot deny feeling that there's more to it...I guess, one day, we may well find out.

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Please take your arm chair psychology somewhere else. If anyone is told they have a terminal illness and nothing can be done it means nothing can be done. Very simple and plain. Prince already had Dr. S write him RXs for non-controlled substances under Kirk’s name to protect his privacy. Why on God’s green earth would he have his pain meds or any cancer drugs in his own name? I have no doubt in my mind he had done this stuff before so it will look to the authorities that he had no legit meds. I am sure he saw doctors under assumed names the whole of his public life.

Illegal drugs means no paper trial. We already know that two pharmacists looked to see what was prescribed. He was not mentally ill I think he wanted privacy, peace, and dignity. No dignity with having the National Enquirer sneak a pic of you in a chair. Or having someone feed you or change your diaper.

disch said:

Why would prince visit a pharmacy to pick up pills that are not in his name?

Makes no sense ...

Wow the ignorance and misinformation is astounding. With science and good health care these days no need for the loss or dignity. Reading what “some” have written on this thread about cancer or another illness could fear, dishearten someone recently diagnosed or a relative who has a loved in recently diagnosed with a illness.

Just stop it and think before you type. Hush up about patients being left to defecate and urinate in a diaper. This is rare to happen. USA is not a third world country. It is one of the most advanced country when it comes to advancement in science, medical science and patient care along with countries in Europe and the UK. Granted you have to have insurance in the USA, monies to pay. Prince had the money to go wherever he pleased for medical care. He also had the monies to have security.

Educate urself about Colostomy’s and Urinary indwelling catheters. Many in this world have them and have dignity and a good quality of life.

Chemo/radiation/proton beam therapy/monoclonal antibodies etc can and is fine tuned to the individual. By doing so can reduce side effects.

Many do receive a low dosage of daily chemo and have lived long pain free life's with dignity.

If patients choice or the Doctor’s recommended choice is palliative care everything will be done to give dignity, be it medications, operations, support, care workers etc.

You can have dignity in end of life. It’s rather common in UK and other countries for the patient to request to be put on end of life pathway. The patient makes the choice of it happening at home, in a hospice or hospital. Doctors will also place patients on end of life pathway if they deem the patient is suffering, has no dignity.

Many have made the choice to go down the route of legalised euthanasia. You do not need to have an incurable illness to go down this route. This is neither costly. The patient decides the time/day and funeral arrangements.

Non are privy to the full investigation into Prince’s passing. Limited information provided for public to view. Restriction deliberately done. For now it’s all conjecture, hearsay, gossip. The org turning into the national enquirer or the gutter press providing misinformation when it comes to medical care illnesses pfft.

We all lost Prince. For many of us he was a friend, maybe some didn’t actually know him, just known him through his craft etc. People can argue it’s cause we so call care and that they trying to work out what happened. Really! Fact is this. Prince is no longer with us. Knowing how he passed isn’t going to change a thing. What “if’s” is not going to change a thing. He has left this world. The powers that be the authorities are investigating. If wrong was done they will deal with it. If he decided to step out this planet that was his choice, respect it. If an accident due to medications for chronic pain, until the day people walk in the shoes of a chronic pain suffer then hush do not judge, stop with the what “if’s”. People will do whatever to get through the day with a permanent mask on that everything is ok however when alone it’s a different story. Chronic pain is a mind f*%# and sometimes they have no medical cure. Sometimes people go through operations that do not cure or the operations actually make things worse. We do not live in times that medical science can resolve everything.

Prince did darn good in his life, his craft, nurturing future generations in industry, an educator on the business, donated to many causes, a philanthropist. And did a lot more. He reached out often to people who was ill, people suffering, not necessary with an illness, paid for medical care, homes for friends/loved ones/ people he didn’t know etc. Prince had and showed much empathy for others so try and understand and show some empathy for him and others. Prince was human and had his flaws like us all. He tried to get through the day like we all have to do.

Prince’s life work will be watched and listened to for many generations. How he passed will not be remembered.

I know what most I’ve written will be ignored however, please stop and think with the misinformation especially when it comes to dignity and illnesses. Tread carefully so not to upset/harm/dishearten another. Life can be hard enough as it is. Be kind and thoughtful to one another as u do not know what battle some are having.
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TrevorAyer said:

—But we are getting reports he picked up Rxs at that Walgreens. He had to be getting something in his name that was not a controlled substance.

TypoQueen said:

We know he would not have been left to deficate on himself. He would have had someone to care for him but from what we are being told he did not want to down that road.

kind of reminds me how sammy davis jr. told a nurse who gave him a bedpan "I am a fucking superstar, i am not using that bedpan, get me to the toilet".

laurarichardson said:

TypoQueen said:

Wow the ignorance and misinformation is astounding. With science and good health care these days no need for the loss or dignity. Reading what “some” have written on this thread about cancer or another illness could fear, dishearten someone recently diagnosed or a relative who has a loved in recently diagnosed with a illness. Just stop it and think before you type. Hush up about patients being left to defecate and urinate in a diaper. This is rare to happen. USA is not a third world country. It is one of the most advanced country when it comes to advancement in science, medical science and patient care along with countries in Europe and the UK. Granted you have to have insurance in the USA, monies to pay. Prince had the money to go wherever he pleased for medical care. He also had the monies to have security. Educate urself about Colostomy’s and Urinary indwelling catheters. Many in this world have them and have dignity and a good quality of life. Chemo/radiation/proton beam therapy/monoclonal antibodies etc can and is fine tuned to the individual. By doing so can reduce side effects. Many do receive a low dosage of daily chemo and have lived long pain free life's with dignity. If patients choice or the Doctor’s recommended choice is palliative care everything will be done to give dignity, be it medications, operations, support, care workers etc. You can have dignity in end of life. It’s rather common in UK and other countries for the patient to request to be put on end of life pathway. The patient makes the choice of it happening at home, in a hospice or hospital. Doctors will also place patients on end of life pathway if they deem the patient is suffering, has no dignity. Many have made the choice to go down the route of legalised euthanasia. You do not need to have an incurable illness to go down this route. This is neither costly. The patient decides the time/day and funeral arrangements. Non are privy to the full investigation into Prince’s passing. Limited information provided for public to view. Restriction deliberately done. For now it’s all conjecture, hearsay, gossip. The org turning into the national enquirer or the gutter press providing misinformation when it comes to medical care illnesses pfft. We all lost Prince. For many of us he was a friend, maybe some didn’t actually know him, just known him through his craft etc. People can argue it’s cause we so call care and that they trying to work out what happened. Really! Fact is this. Prince is no longer with us. Knowing how he passed isn’t going to change a thing. What “if’s” is not going to change a thing. He has left this world. The powers that be the authorities are investigating. If wrong was done they will deal with it. If he decided to step out this planet that was his choice, respect it. If an accident due to medications for chronic pain, until the day people walk in the shoes of a chronic pain suffer then hush do not judge, stop with the what “if’s”. People will do whatever to get through the day with a permanent mask on that everything is ok however when alone it’s a different story. Chronic pain is a mind f*%# and sometimes they have no medical cure. Sometimes people go through operations that do not cure or the operations actually make things worse. We do not live in times that medical science can resolve everything. Prince did darn good in his life, his craft, nurturing future generations in industry, an educator on the business, donated to many causes, a philanthropist. And did a lot more. He reached out often to people who was ill, people suffering, not necessary with an illness, paid for medical care, homes for friends/loved ones/ people he didn’t know etc. Prince had and showed much empathy for others so try and understand and show some empathy for him and others. Prince was human and had his flaws like us all. He tried to get through the day like we all have to do. Prince’s life work will be watched and listened to for many generations. How he passed will not be remembered. I know what most I’ve written will be ignored however, please stop and think with the misinformation especially when it comes to dignity and illnesses. Tread carefully so not to upset/harm/dishearten another. Life can be hard enough as it is. Be kind and thoughtful to one another as u do not know what battle some are having. [Edited 1/4/18 6:51am]

We know he would not have been left to deficate on himself. He would have had someone to care for him but from what we are being told he did not want to down that road.

laurarichardson said:

You have written:


Medical Science and patient care has moved on since the 1950’s. Prince was nobody’s fool, he was an educated man, full control in his life choices. Vocal on what needed doing. Made sure he got what he wanted done.

It is also very rare this stage in cancer (other incurable illnesses) happens, most patients request or get put on end of life pathway before it gets to that stage. The argument is also irrelevant as Prince was not in that position back then. “If” Prince decided to take himself out this world then we should respect his choice. He always did things his way with no fear.

When repeating what another has said you make sure it is 100 percent truthful. We all have a responsibility to pick and choose our words carefully so not to cause distress to another or to spread rumours.

PeteSilas said:

Sammy was too cool I can imagine lots of profanity lol. I personally used the paper bedpans as a frisbee and near took my brothers eye out. The profanity that exited his mouth had me in a fit of giggles.

Just a quick last addition to what I wrote above: that a person (who has access to legit medical care) who chooses to self-medicate late-stage cancer with illegal opioids is behaving irrationally.

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Another poster, who I guess is now convinced Prince was indeed self-medicating late-stage cancer, argues that this is a perfectly rational choice to avoid a "paper trail." She also tiresomely minterprets what I wrote (implying that I was saying Prince was behaving irrationally vis-a-vis his "cancer" when I was in fact arguing that the known facts don't align with him having late-stage cancer at all. Side not: This poster also implied that any theories about Prince's mental illness are completely out of bounds, while she and others shower this site with endless speculation about his various physical illnesses, ranging from cancer to epilepsy to hep C to AIDS to impotence (!) and bowel incontinence (!!). It's such a bizarre hypocrisy, but social stigmas run deep, I guess.)

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Anyway: I stand my assessment that any person who self-medicates late-stage cancer with illegal opioids (assuming that person has access to legit health care) is behaving irrationally. And I also stand by my assessment that avoiding cancer doctors for fear of a publicly exposed "paper trail" is absurd. Doctors are bound by strict laws that prevent them from sharing personal medical info. Suppliers of illegal drugs? Police after they arrest someone for buying illegal stuff? Um, not exactly bound by privacy laws.

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What are you are going on about? Have you been reading the last 50 comments. We are discussing information that some of us have that Prince had PC and did not seek end of life care because he did not want to be in state of diaper wearing and feeding tube. This is what some of us have been told could it be a pack of bull sure but we can only discuss the info we have.

I have no idea what the 50s have to do with anything. We saw pics of Patrick Swayze in a wheel chair and others who have suffered from cancer have been photographed. None of these stiutations took place in the 50s. Tabloid media has no respect for anyone they just want to make a buck. If Prince did not want to make TMZ or NE a few extra dollars at his expense then good for him.

If you know something we do not speak up or knock it off. I also have no issue if he decided to end his suffering and I respect his choice. I have actually had a feeding tube stuck in me and I would not wish it on my worst enemy. I also had to have someone assist me to the restroom on top of illness it is awful experience.

TypoQueen said:

laurarichardson said:

You have written:

No dignity with having the National Enquirer sneak a pic of you in a chair. Or having someone feed you or change your diaper.

Medical Science and patient care has moved on since the 1950’s. Prince was nobody’s fool, he was an educated man, full control in his life choices. Vocal on what needed doing. Made sure he got what he wanted done. It is also very rare this stage in cancer (other incurable illnesses) happens, most patients request or get put on end of life pathway before it gets to that stage. The argument is also irrelevant as Prince was not in that position back then. “If” Prince decided to take himself out this world then we should respect his choice. He always did things his way with no fear. When repeating what another has said you make sure it is 100 percent truthful. We all have a responsibility to pick and choose our words carefully so not to cause distress to another or to spread rumours.

Let me make myself clear so you can understand.

" I stand my assessment that any person who self-medicates late-stage cancer with illegal opioids (assuming that person has access to legit health care) is behaving irrationally."

I do not agree with you. It was his choice to go off line and he had a right to do so. His life his choice

You idea that he was mental is out of bounds. You do not know what his pain level was or what he had been dealing with so you can not judge what he should have to endure. It does not matter if it was PC or joint pain. You simply cannot judge his mental state without knowing his stituation.

As far as speculating on his health we are discussing some info that is now public knowledge. (Joint Pain) As far as other issues the media put out the AIDS nonsense which again is in the public. Other physical problems go along with pain pills, joint pain , hep C, and possible cancer. We are discussing what is known. You are bringing up mental issues and judging.

As far as avoiding the media. You know that doctors do not have to sell info. But the nurses, tech, pharmicst, and cleaks all have and will.

We know two pharmist got into trouble for looking him up. We know that the media used a FOIA request to get his FBI file. We know his hometown newspaper went to court to open his divorce file. We know Dr. S said he wrote non-controlled substances for Prince to protect his privacy. We also know that he was still touring and you need to be insured who is going to insure someone who may be terminally ill or suffering from joint that could prevent them from performing. Or has a problem withdrawing from drugs.

I have facts to back up my theories. I also have people who appear to be in the know who are making claims about his health and they are not only making them to me but to others as well. Did I not say a while ago that people around him were being weird and secretive despite the info about drugs being public knowledge. There are people who are hiding info for what reason we do not know but they are constanly telling us we do not know the whole story and we do not.

disch said:

Just a quick last addition to what I wrote above: that a person (who has access to legit medical care) who chooses to self-medicate late-stage cancer with illegal opioids is behaving irrationally.

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Another poster, who I guess is now convinced Prince was indeed self-medicating late-stage cancer, argues that this is a perfectly rational choice to avoid a "paper trail." She also tiresomely minterprets what I wrote (implying that I was saying Prince was behaving irrationally vis-a-vis his "cancer" when I was in fact arguing that the known facts don't align with him having late-stage cancer at all. Side not: This poster also implied that any theories about Prince's mental illness are completely out of bounds, while she and others shower this site with endless speculation about his various physical illnesses, ranging from cancer to epilepsy to hep C to AIDS to impotence (!) and bowel incontinence (!!). It's such a bizarre hypocrisy, but social stigmas run deep, I guess.)

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Anyway: I stand my assessment that any person who self-medicates late-stage cancer with illegal opioids (assuming that person has access to legit health care) is behaving irrationally. And I also stand by my assessment that avoiding cancer doctors for fear of a publicly exposed "paper trail" is absurd. Doctors are bound by strict laws that prevent them from sharing personal medical info. Suppliers of illegal drugs? Police after they arrest someone for buying illegal stuff? Um, not exactly bound by privacy laws.

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Strawberrylova123 said:

like Tyka said in this article ..HE WAS TIRED!!

Prince's Sister Tyka Nels...PEOPLE.com

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If someone is tired, the normal thing to do would be to get plenty of rest, eat well and take care of yourself. No?

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Tyka said: “He needed to go. He was tired,” she says. “Instead of crying, dance. He didn’t like me to cry, so I don’t want them to cry either.”

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Hmmm, he needed to go?