PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

I am merely asking what are your thoughts on this "kill pill"? Didn't mean to imply that you thought either way.

oh, sorry, i think Prince knew it was lethal and took it, i think he intentionally sought it out. I don't think Kirk or anyone tried to kill him. but I'm trying to be open minded with some of our posters here, as far as im' concerned, at this point, there opinions are as valid as ours.

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Why would he do that at PP and have people find him laying in the elevator? He had employee's coming into work in the morning.

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Do you think Kirk knew Prince was going to take the kill pill? Just curious.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

oh, sorry, i think Prince knew it was lethal and took it, i think he intentionally sought it out. I don't think Kirk or anyone tried to kill him. but I'm trying to be open minded with some of our posters here, as far as im' concerned, at this point, there opinions are as valid as ours.

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Why would he do that at PP and have people find him laying in the elevator? He had employee's coming into work in the morning.

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Do you think Kirk knew Prince was going to take the kill pill? Just curious.

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

AA1slot said:

My mother's cousin who is in her eighties was diagnosed with PC I would say 3 years ago. She lost a lot of weight but has kept going strong...and she goes about her life. She hasn't stopped doing anything and yes it is PC. No mistake on the diagnosis as she was a ER nurse and had the best doctors in her area treating her.

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I am sorry about your Mother's cousin. I'm glad to hear she is managing/coping as best she can.

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Cancer affects everyone differently. Some can hang-on, while other's decline rapidly. I had an Ex-boyfriend who's mother passed from cancer, and was only diagnosed 5-months before. My Father-in-law succumbed to cancer when he was only 47 years-old. He was diagnosed shortly after New years, and was gone 5-months later.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Why would he do that at PP and have people find him laying in the elevator? He had employee's coming into work in the morning.

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Do you think Kirk knew Prince was going to take the kill pill? Just curious.

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

I don't think he'd do that to a young woman he's dating. That's a pretty self-absorbed thing for any person to do to another person. Being all melodramatic and dying right infront of your new young girlfriend. Yeah, scar her for life on purpose, let alone how the public is going to react to her. And a budding career he was supposed to be helping her with too. That's a truly a-holey move. For what?

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morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

I don't think he'd do that to a young woman he's dating. That's a pretty self-absorbed thing for any person to do to another person. Being all melodramatic and dying right infront of your new young girlfriend. Yeah, scar her for life on purpose, let alone how the public is going to react to her. And budding her career he was supposed to be helping her with too. That's a truly a-holey move. For what?

look, none of the scenarios really make sense, maybe judith wasn't even suppossed to be there, i don't believe her account anyway.

PeteSilas said:

morningsong said:

I don't think he'd do that to a young woman he's dating. That's a pretty self-absorbed thing for any person to do to another person. Being all melodramatic and dying right infront of your new young girlfriend. Yeah, scar her for life on purpose, let alone how the public is going to react to her. And budding her career he was supposed to be helping her with too. That's a truly a-holey move. For what?

look, none of the scenarios really make sense, maybe judith wasn't even suppossed to be there, i don't believe her account anyway.

Well, she didn't just magically appear on the plane as it took off. That's an a-hole move for any human being to do to another human being, that's all I'm saying.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Why would he do that at PP and have people find him laying in the elevator? He had employee's coming into work in the morning.

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Do you think Kirk knew Prince was going to take the kill pill? Just curious.

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

I don't think he'd do that to a young woman he's dating. That's a pretty self-absorbed thing for any person to do to another person. Being all melodramatic and dying right infront of your new young girlfriend. Yeah, scar her for life on purpose, let alone how the public is going to react to her. And a budding career he was supposed to be helping her with too. That's a truly a-holey move. For what?

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I could not agree with you more!! Prince was known to be selfish at times, but come on! To do that in front of his friends? I will never believe that.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

He could have laid down in his bed at the very least and took the pills.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

i've thought about that and i come up with "maybe he figured there would be no way to save him".

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

i've thought about that and i come up with "maybe he figured there would be no way to save him".

I'm not saying it's impossible. But given that Judith already has been connected to MJ just before he died, how selfish does an individual have to be to do something like that? I don't see Prince as that kind of selfish to do something like that purposely.

Who is to say that what happened on the 'plane was an overdose though?
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If - IF - Prince had an underlying disease / health condition of which we're currently unaware (and perhaps neither was Judith), he could well have only taken the 'one or two Percocets' but passed out due to that other condition...Remember, please, Narcan is given to ANYONE who is unconscious for unknown reasons, JUST IN CASE they have taken an overdose. It may well be coincidental that he came round shortly afterwards, possibly because he was being given oxygen, etc, and / or the seizure ended naturally.
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Let's just say that he did have pancreatic cancer which he was keeping quiet from virtually everyone - in its latter stages, some tumours can cause over-production of insulin, leading to low blood sugar, seizures, passing out, or even going into a coma.
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If we think back to Judith's description of P's state on the 'plane, she said his eyes fixed and he then became unconscious...Subsequently, Dr Drew said that sounded more like a seizure than a drug overdose. Remember also, she said he spoke of having to 'fight' to get back into his body - perhaps he felt it wasn't the right time to go just then - that he didn't want to go out on those terms, with people around him, in a strange hospital miles from his beloved PP.

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Perhaps it was after this incident that P realised he couldn't risk something like that happening again - particularly if he were on stage, for example - and so he made the decision himself to take the fentanyl (whether it was a deliberate decision to commit suicide OR a case of putting which pill he selected into God's hands, who knows)...I just think that rather than being a 'practice attempt' at suicide, the Moline incident may actually have been the TRIGGER to prompting the final act.

Dibblekins said:

Who is to say that what happened on the 'plane was an overdose though?
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If - IF - Prince had an underlying disease / health condition of which we're currently unaware (and perhaps neither was Judith), he could well have only taken the 'one or two Percocets' but passed out due to that other condition...Remember, please, Narcan is given to ANYONE who is unconscious for unknown reasons, JUST IN CASE they have taken an overdose. It may well be coincidental that he came round shortly afterwards, possibly because he was being given oxygen, etc, and / or the seizure ended naturally.
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Let's just say that he did have pancreatic cancer which he was keeping quiet from virtually everyone - in its latter stages, some tumours can cause over-production of insulin, leading to low blood sugar, seizures, passing out, or even going into a coma.
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If we think back to Judith's description of P's state on the 'plane, she said his eyes fixed and he then became unconscious...Subsequently, Dr Drew said that sounded more like a seizure than a drug overdose. Remember also, she said he spoke of having to 'fight' to get back into his body - perhaps he felt it wasn't the right time to go just then - that he didn't want to go out on those terms, with people around him, in a strange hospital miles from his beloved PP.

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Perhaps it was after this incident that P realised he couldn't risk something like that happening again - particularly if he were on stage, for example - and so he made the decision himself to take the fentanyl (whether it was a deliberate decision to commit suicide OR a case of putting which pill he selected into God's hands, who knows)...I just think that rather than being a 'practice attempt' at suicide, the Moline incident may actually have been the TRIGGER to prompting the final act.

I can see that.

IF they are diagnosed correctly at the very early stages. For most people by the time they start to have symptoms, it's already progressed.

Dibblekins said:

Re pancreatic cancer taking people out fast. Yes, this is true: for a certain type of UNtreated ADVANCED PC (adenocarcinoma), the average survival rate in this instance would be 3 and a half months.

HOWEVER, this assumes that Prince went from no symptoms / no disease to advanced PC and death in three and a half months. The science doesn't bear this out. In fact, PC has been shown to be a very slow-growing cancer, with rather non-specific symptoms. It is this delay in seeking and gaining a diagnosis that makes the disease so much more likely to have a poor prognosis, resulting in speedy death. This is borne out by (for example - one amongst many) article from John Hopkins University School of Medicine:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/surprise_finding_pancreatic_cancers_progress_to_lethal_stage_slowly
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This bit, in particular, is very telling:

'After the first (pancreatic) cancer cell appears, it takes an average of nearly seven years for that cell to turn into the billions that make up a cancerous tumor the size of a plum, after which at least one of the cells within the tumor has the potential and ability to spread to other organs. Patients die an average of two and a half years after this metastasis'.

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He could have developed symptoms / lower grade disease for many years before gaining a diagnosis - at which point, it could have been more complex and inoperable. Note the two and a half year timing and how this seems to fit with the time-frame offered up by Tyka (in 2016, she said she had known he was going to die for 2 years).
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***NOTE: I am not saying P had pancreatic cancer; I am just showing how the argument of (or anyone) first developing it and dying from it within a very short space of time isn't necessarily the case.

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morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

He could have laid down in his bed at the very least and took the pills.

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Yes! I'm glad you said that because Dr. Drew said the same thing. He said most times, people will just take the pills and go to bed. It's been discussed here in the past about whether Prince was getting on the elevator to go to his room or was he on his way downstairs? This, we do not know, but it hit him really quick, from what I read.

cloveringold85 said:

AA1slot said:

My mother's cousin who is in her eighties was diagnosed with PC I would say 3 years ago. She lost a lot of weight but has kept going strong...and she goes about her life. She hasn't stopped doing anything and yes it is PC. No mistake on the diagnosis as she was a ER nurse and had the best doctors in her area treating her.

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I am sorry about your Mother's cousin. I'm glad to hear she is managing/coping as best she can.

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Cancer affects everyone differently. Some can hang-on, while other's decline rapidly. I had an Ex-boyfriend who's mother passed from cancer, and was only diagnosed 5-months before. My Father-in-law succumbed to cancer when he was only 47 years-old. He was diagnosed shortly after New years, and was gone 5-months later.

Thank you and sorry to hear about your brushes with it. Either way cancer is a horrible disease.

Dibblekins said:

Who is to say that what happened on the 'plane was an overdose though?
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If - IF - Prince had an underlying disease / health condition of which we're currently unaware (and perhaps neither was Judith), he could well have only taken the 'one or two Percocets' but passed out due to that other condition...Remember, please, Narcan is given to ANYONE who is unconscious for unknown reasons, JUST IN CASE they have taken an overdose. It may well be coincidental that he came round shortly afterwards, possibly because he was being given oxygen, etc, and / or the seizure ended naturally.
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Let's just say that he did have pancreatic cancer which he was keeping quiet from virtually everyone - in its latter stages, some tumours can cause over-production of insulin, leading to low blood sugar, seizures, passing out, or even going into a coma.
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If we think back to Judith's description of P's state on the 'plane, she said his eyes fixed and he then became unconscious...Subsequently, Dr Drew said that sounded more like a seizure than a drug overdose. Remember also, she said he spoke of having to 'fight' to get back into his body - perhaps he felt it wasn't the right time to go just then - that he didn't want to go out on those terms, with people around him, in a strange hospital miles from his beloved PP.

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Perhaps it was after this incident that P realised he couldn't risk something like that happening again - particularly if he were on stage, for example - and so he made the decision himself to take the fentanyl (whether it was a deliberate decision to commit suicide OR a case of putting which pill he selected into God's hands, who knows)...I just think that rather than being a 'practice attempt' at suicide, the Moline incident may actually have been the TRIGGER to prompting the final act.

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^^ All of the above is very plausible. ^^

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We don't really know what happened in Moline.

I'm not saying he did that, BUT maybe he thought in the plane there would be no interference, not like a plane can just pull over or something...AND he probably didn't think the plane would land right away...

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

why not? if he was going to do it, why not there? If that's what he tried on the plane he saw that didn't work, i think he made sure and didn't leave it to chance the second time. it's sad any way it happened, it's a big loss but I'm not yet convinced that it was just another case of an addicted rockstar, too many other things aren't consistent with that.

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

AA1slot said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I am sorry about your Mother's cousin. I'm glad to hear she is managing/coping as best she can.

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Cancer affects everyone differently. Some can hang-on, while other's decline rapidly. I had an Ex-boyfriend who's mother passed from cancer, and was only diagnosed 5-months before. My Father-in-law succumbed to cancer when he was only 47 years-old. He was diagnosed shortly after New years, and was gone 5-months later.

Thank you and sorry to hear about your brushes with it. Either way cancer is a horrible disease.

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It sure is. This is why it's so important to get regular check-ups with your doctor, even if your family does not run a high risk. I have to get blood work done every six months or so, but that is because I am on medication.

PennyPurple said:

I'm not saying he did that, BUT maybe he thought in the plane there would be no interference, not like a plane can just pull over or something...AND he probably didn't think the plane would land right away...

cloveringold85 said:

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He could have went off to a remote location to do it to avoid his employee's finding him like that. But it is possible he made that split-second decision. We just do not know.

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Why would he commit suicide on an airplane in front of people? He was in the middle of the P&M tour and all eyes were on him. You would think someone would be more discreet, but who knows?

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That is true, but it so horrifying to do that to someone, and even have that mindset. Dr Drew has said that people usually make comments that they are going to kill themselves before they do it, because most people don't want to really do it, they are hurting, whether emotionally or physically, and just want out of that pain. My husbands uncle comitted suicide just a couple of months after his brother died (husbands father/my father in law), and he would say things about ending his life and was acting strange a few days before. Prince did not fit that mindset.

There seems to be some confusion here in regards to time and date as to their relation to events.

1. For starters, Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg on two occasions before his death. Those dates are on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016. Oxycodone was prescribed (4-7-2016) and test were run on 4-20-2016 .

2. Note that the 4-7-2016 date is way before the show in Atlanta.

3. On 4-14-2016 Kirk Johnson contacted Dr. Schulenberg and a prescription was written for Prince but placed in Kirk's name for Prince's privacy according to Dr. Schulenberg's own statements in the warrant. This was more Oxycodone and was done while Prince was here in Atlanta. That would mean that upon his return , the meds would be available.

4. On 4-15-2016, the doctor in Moline states that Prince suffered an opiate overdose. It is morre than likely he traveled with "x" substance(s) to Atlanta, in my opinion.

5. On 4-15-2016 Dr. Schulenberg prescribes Clonidine, Hydroxzine Pamoate and Diazepam for Prince These were to be filled @ Walgreens according to Dr. Schulenberg's statements in the warrant.

6. Andrew Kornfeld states the meeting was arranged on 4-20-16, and that scheduling the meeting was at the last minute. He stated that he at no time had any time to meet with Prince in order to discuss the reason they would meet.

7. The preliminary autopsy reports indicated the presence of controlled substances in Prince's system.

* I counted at least 4 prescribed medications for Prince to include opiates.

Summary

Prince was quite capable of procuring prescription medication for whatever the ailment was if he so desired. There would be no need to use illicit backdoor channels to do so. Prince did not have a regular doctor and confided in Dr. Schulenberg through his relationship with Kirk Johnson.

If Prince had underlying medical conditions(as in cancer), it appears Dr. Schulenberg either did not know about it or was willing to take orders from Prince and work around it by not providing him with adequate prescription medication to deal with "x".

It is apparent that Kirk Johnson would be acutely aware of Prince's addiction to opiates, or, a particular underlying condition such as cancer since he was the one that introduced Prince to Dr. Schulenberg, had opiates placed in his name, provided Dr. Schulenberg with information concerning what Prince needed and lastly, went with Prince to pick up additional medication the night before Prince died.

If we are to assume that Kirk Johnson had to know these things, why would Kirk Johnson agree to stage an intervention for Prince which would further subject Prince to severe excruciating pain from said underlying condition?

I assume that between 4-15-2016 and 4-20-16 there had to have been an erratic change in behavior for them to want to stage such an impromptu intervention one day before his death. Chances are he did not see this intervention coming at all.

Lastly, ( and as per the warrant) there was more than one substance found in his system. This tells me that not only was he aware of opiate toxicity, but that this idea of "it was just the fentanyl" is merely a way of tampering down the noise concerning the assortment of things found in his system at that time. Thank goodness for that preliminary short form.

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like Tyka said in this article ..HE WAS TIRED!!

Prince's Sister Tyka Nels...PEOPLE.com

I will keep this person identity private but its basically the same thing Tyka was trying to tell us!!

"My best friend's mother died from lung cancer. She was 70. Didn't smoke or drink a day in her life. All those things cause cancer, yes, but cancer is also caused by a number of other factors like air pollution or gene mutation. You can take care of your teeth all you want and should but cavities are created by more than poor dental hygiene. Fatty foods cause blockages and heart attacks but you can eat only fresh fruits and veggies and still get heart disease. The body isn't fort Knox. Do a little research on pancreatic cancer and stars who lost that battle. The important key here is there is no battle to win with pancreatic cancer. Patrick Swayze held on the longest. Do you guys think Prince wanted to be hooked up to tubes? Wheelchair bound? Need someone to feed him, bathe him, change his diapers? Think about it. Abigail needs to STOP and leave fans alone. We're all hurting enough without her making up lies and creating more drama."

Strawberrylova123 said:

I will keep this person identity private but its basically the same thing Tyka was trying to tell us!!

"My best friend's mother died from lung cancer. She was 70. Didn't smoke or drink a day in her life. All those things cause cancer, yes, but cancer is also caused by a number of other factors like air pollution or gene mutation. You can take care of your teeth all you want and should but cavities are created by more than poor dental hygiene. Fatty foods cause blockages and heart attacks but you can eat only fresh fruits and veggies and still get heart disease. The body isn't fort Knox. Do a little research on pancreatic cancer and stars who lost that battle. The important key here is there is no battle to win with pancreatic cancer. Patrick Swayze held on the longest. Do you guys think Prince wanted to be hooked up to tubes? Wheelchair bound? Need someone to feed him, bathe him, change his diapers? Think about it. Abigail needs to STOP and leave fans alone. We're all hurting enough without her making up lies and creating more drama."

Co-sign. Also someone else mention that knew someone that did hang on for a bit with PC with the treatements that have today he may have been able to deal with this for a while. Could have been caught early and returned. I know that their is a very popular gossip site that said he had Sephis back in the Fall of 2015 and this can be a side effect of cancer. Along with the rumors last fall that the family was hiring a malpractice lawyer well sure enough back in the Spring we see that Tyka did have a malpratice attorney listed in the court papers. I do not know if the family dropped this idea but it is obvious other things were going with P's health then addiction. The addiction appears to have been a side effect of on going health issues. It is ashamed that some people on this board just will not get off the poor recreational drug user angle. Even the most distant of associates have said repeatly that he was not a recreational drug user and we have no evidence of it until the last months of his life.

People get sick I am not so sure why this is so hard to believe.

Strawberrylova123 said:

I will keep this person identity private but its basically the same thing Tyka was trying to tell us!!

"My best friend's mother died from lung cancer. She was 70. Didn't smoke or drink a day in her life. All those things cause cancer, yes, but cancer is also caused by a number of other factors like air pollution or gene mutation. You can take care of your teeth all you want and should but cavities are created by more than poor dental hygiene. Fatty foods cause blockages and heart attacks but you can eat only fresh fruits and veggies and still get heart disease. The body isn't fort Knox. Do a little research on pancreatic cancer and stars who lost that battle. The important key here is there is no battle to win with pancreatic cancer. Patrick Swayze held on the longest. Do you guys think Prince wanted to be hooked up to tubes? Wheelchair bound? Need someone to feed him, bathe him, change his diapers? Think about it. Abigail needs to STOP and leave fans alone. We're all hurting enough without her making up lies and creating more drama."

1.Straw, are we to conclude that what you have wrote above is equal to: His death was intentional and done on that specific day because he had cancer?

2. Was the Moline incident intentional and done on that day because he had cancer?

3. Would the mixture of illicit substances found indicate that the person was: (A) suffering from terminal cancer; (B) a person preparing to commit suicide; (C) a person who is managing pain but has no intention of ending life so soon ?

These are merely questions and are not presented to provoke an argument.

Menes said:

There seems to be some confusion here in regards to time and date as to their relation to events.

1. For starters, Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg on two occasions before his death. Those dates are on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016. Oxycodone was prescribed (4-7-2016) and test were run on 4-20-2016 .

2. Note that the 4-7-2016 date is way before the show in Atlanta.

3. On 4-14-2016 Kirk Johnson contacted Dr. Schulenberg and a prescription was written for Prince but placed in Kirk's name for Prince's privacy according to Dr. Schulenberg's own statements in the warrant. This was more Oxycodone and was done while Prince was here in Atlanta. That would mean that upon his return , the meds would be available.

4. On 4-15-2016, the doctor in Moline states that Prince suffered an opiate overdose. It is morre than likely he traveled with "x" substance(s) to Atlanta, in my opinion.

5. On 4-15-2016 Dr. Schulenberg prescribes Clonidine, Hydroxzine Pamoate and Diazepam for Prince These were to be filled @ Walgreens according to Dr. Schulenberg's statements in the warrant.

6. Andrew Kornfeld states the meeting was arranged on 4-20-16, and that scheduling the meeting was at the last minute. He stated that he at no time had any time to meet with Prince in order to discuss the reason they would meet.

7. The preliminary autopsy reports indicated the presence of controlled substances in Prince's system.

* I counted at least 4 prescribed medications for Prince to include opiates.

Summary

Prince was quite capable of procuring prescription medication for whatever the ailment was if he so desired. There would be no need to use illicit backdoor channels to do so. Prince did not have a regular doctor and confided in Dr. Schulenberg through his relationship with Kirk Johnson.

If Prince had underlying medical conditions(as in cancer), it appears Dr. Schulenberg either did not know about it or was willing to take orders from Prince and work around it by not providing him with adequate prescription medication to deal with "x".

It is apparent that Kirk Johnson would be acutely aware of Prince's addiction to opiates, or, a particular underlying condition such as cancer since he was the one that introduced Prince to Dr. Schulenberg, had opiates placed in his name, provided Dr. Schulenberg with information concerning what Prince needed and lastly, went with Prince to pick up additional medication the night before Prince died.

If we are to assume that Kirk Johnson had to know these things, why would Kirk Johnson agree to stage an intervention for Prince which would further subject Prince to severe excruciating pain from said underlying condition?

I assume that between 4-15-2016 and 4-20-16 there had to have been an erratic change in behavior for them to want to stage such an impromptu intervention one day before his death. Chances are he did not see this intervention coming at all.

Lastly, ( and as per the warrant) there was more than one substance found in his system. This tells me that not only was he aware of opiate toxicity, but that this idea of "it was just the fentanyl" is merely a way of tampering down the noise concerning the assortment of things found in his system at that time. Thank goodness for that preliminary short form.

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But he did use illicit drugs and choose not to get them from Dr S. His choice for privacy. We also have no idea if he saw a doctor out of state or out of the country. He had surgery so he had been under some doctor's care in the last few years. He may received a diagnois and decide to do nothing but take pain pills until the end came. He would not need to go back and forth to a doctor for pain meds if he had his own supply on hand. Accept that he may not have wanted a feeding tube and diaper in his final days but freedom to live.

How do you know Dr S did not know? He was bringing him test which will still do not what they were for. Dr S is not a cancer doctor and if he did do something sneaky by writing those pain meds for Prince under Kirk's name he was obvisouly supplying Prince with pain meds. Why do you think he is not in any trouble.

We have no idea what Kirk knows. He claims that not even know what Prince was in the hosptial for back in 2014 if it was for drugs why not be honest and tell the police. He really did not tell the police much of anything and he is screaming his head off in the background doing the 911 call.

We do not know that Kirk was staging an intervention and it appears Prince had more then enough meds to prevent pain.

Well we do not know what else was in his system if we did we might know more about his heatlh.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

There seems to be some confusion here in regards to time and date as to their relation to events.

1. For starters, Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg on two occasions before his death. Those dates are on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016. Oxycodone was prescribed (4-7-2016) and test were run on 4-20-2016 .

2. Note that the 4-7-2016 date is way before the show in Atlanta.

3. On 4-14-2016 Kirk Johnson contacted Dr. Schulenberg and a prescription was written for Prince but placed in Kirk's name for Prince's privacy according to Dr. Schulenberg's own statements in the warrant. This was more Oxycodone and was done while Prince was here in Atlanta. That would mean that upon his return , the meds would be available.

4. On 4-15-2016, the doctor in Moline states that Prince suffered an opiate overdose. It is morre than likely he traveled with "x" substance(s) to Atlanta, in my opinion.

5. On 4-15-2016 Dr. Schulenberg prescribes Clonidine, Hydroxzine Pamoate and Diazepam for Prince These were to be filled @ Walgreens according to Dr. Schulenberg's statements in the warrant.

6. Andrew Kornfeld states the meeting was arranged on 4-20-16, and that scheduling the meeting was at the last minute. He stated that he at no time had any time to meet with Prince in order to discuss the reason they would meet.

7. The preliminary autopsy reports indicated the presence of controlled substances in Prince's system.

* I counted at least 4 prescribed medications for Prince to include opiates.

Summary

Prince was quite capable of procuring prescription medication for whatever the ailment was if he so desired. There would be no need to use illicit backdoor channels to do so. Prince did not have a regular doctor and confided in Dr. Schulenberg through his relationship with Kirk Johnson.

If Prince had underlying medical conditions(as in cancer), it appears Dr. Schulenberg either did not know about it or was willing to take orders from Prince and work around it by not providing him with adequate prescription medication to deal with "x".

It is apparent that Kirk Johnson would be acutely aware of Prince's addiction to opiates, or, a particular underlying condition such as cancer since he was the one that introduced Prince to Dr. Schulenberg, had opiates placed in his name, provided Dr. Schulenberg with information concerning what Prince needed and lastly, went with Prince to pick up additional medication the night before Prince died.

If we are to assume that Kirk Johnson had to know these things, why would Kirk Johnson agree to stage an intervention for Prince which would further subject Prince to severe excruciating pain from said underlying condition?

I assume that between 4-15-2016 and 4-20-16 there had to have been an erratic change in behavior for them to want to stage such an impromptu intervention one day before his death. Chances are he did not see this intervention coming at all.

Lastly, ( and as per the warrant) there was more than one substance found in his system. This tells me that not only was he aware of opiate toxicity, but that this idea of "it was just the fentanyl" is merely a way of tampering down the noise concerning the assortment of things found in his system at that time. Thank goodness for that preliminary short form.

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But he did use illicit drugs and choose not to get them from Dr S. His choice for privacy. We also have no idea if he saw a doctor out of state or out of the country. He had surgery so he had been under some doctor's care in the last few years. He may received a diagnois and decide to do nothing but take pain pills until the end came. He would not need to go back and forth to a doctor for pain meds if he had his own supply on hand. Accept that he may not have wanted a feeding tube and diaper in his final days but freedom to live.

How do you know Dr S did not know? He was bringing him test which will still do not what they were for. Dr S is not a cancer doctor and if he did do something sneaky by writing those pain meds for Prince under Kirk's name he was obvisouly supplying Prince with pain meds. Why do you think he is not in any trouble.

We have no idea what Kirk knows. He claims that not even know what Prince was in the hosptial for back in 2014 if it was for drugs why not be honest and tell the police. He really did not tell the police much of anything and he is screaming his head off in the background doing the 911 call.

We do not know that Kirk was staging an intervention and it appears Prince had more then enough meds to prevent pain.

Well we do not know what else was in his system if we did we might know more about his heatlh.

I've aleady accepted that he killed himself so Im not sure what the rambling is about. It was a bit too hard to read the pidgin english this time. Maybe next go around?

Dibblekins said:

Who is to say that what happened on the 'plane was an overdose though?
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If - IF - Prince had an underlying disease / health condition of which we're currently unaware (and perhaps neither was Judith), he could well have only taken the 'one or two Percocets' but passed out due to that other condition...Remember, please, Narcan is given to ANYONE who is unconscious for unknown reasons, JUST IN CASE they have taken an overdose. It may well be coincidental that he came round shortly afterwards, possibly because he was being given oxygen, etc, and / or the seizure ended naturally.
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Let's just say that he did have pancreatic cancer which he was keeping quiet from virtually everyone - in its latter stages, some tumours can cause over-production of insulin, leading to low blood sugar, seizures, passing out, or even going into a coma.
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If we think back to Judith's description of P's state on the 'plane, she said his eyes fixed and he then became unconscious...Subsequently, Dr Drew said that sounded more like a seizure than a drug overdose. Remember also, she said he spoke of having to 'fight' to get back into his body - perhaps he felt it wasn't the right time to go just then - that he didn't want to go out on those terms, with people around him, in a strange hospital miles from his beloved PP.

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Perhaps it was after this incident that P realised he couldn't risk something like that happening again - particularly if he were on stage, for example - and so he made the decision himself to take the fentanyl (whether it was a deliberate decision to commit suicide OR a case of putting which pill he selected into God's hands, who knows)...I just think that rather than being a 'practice attempt' at suicide, the Moline incident may actually have been the TRIGGER to prompting the final act.

If he had a seziure he may have decided enough was enough. I have an in-law who died from PC and he went into the hospital with a stroke had two seziures in the hospital and after test the doctors realized it was the PC that caused the stroke and seziures. This PC was putting a strain on the system that was so bad it caused seizures and strokes that this is what took his life.

P may have saw himself on the road to rehab from taking too many of these meds on on the road to a hospice and decided to put a stop to it all.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

But he did use illicit drugs and choose not to get them from Dr S. His choice for privacy. We also have no idea if he saw a doctor out of state or out of the country. He had surgery so he had been under some doctor's care in the last few years. He may received a diagnois and decide to do nothing but take pain pills until the end came. He would not need to go back and forth to a doctor for pain meds if he had his own supply on hand. Accept that he may not have wanted a feeding tube and diaper in his final days but freedom to live.

How do you know Dr S did not know? He was bringing him test which will still do not what they were for. Dr S is not a cancer doctor and if he did do something sneaky by writing those pain meds for Prince under Kirk's name he was obvisouly supplying Prince with pain meds. Why do you think he is not in any trouble.

We have no idea what Kirk knows. He claims that not even know what Prince was in the hosptial for back in 2014 if it was for drugs why not be honest and tell the police. He really did not tell the police much of anything and he is screaming his head off in the background doing the 911 call.

We do not know that Kirk was staging an intervention and it appears Prince had more then enough meds to prevent pain.

Well we do not know what else was in his system if we did we might know more about his heatlh.

I've aleady accepted that he killed himself so Im not sure what the rambling is about. It was a bit too hard to read the pidgin english this time. Maybe next go around?

I only responded to your comments which are rambling and pointless.

Deal with the fact that you have been on the wrong track with your nonsense about why he used illegal drugs. He wanted privacy and he got it by going around the doctors/pharmacy. Not really that hard to understand. He had them and he used them get over it.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

I've aleady accepted that he killed himself so Im not sure what the rambling is about. It was a bit too hard to read the pidgin english this time. Maybe next go around?

I only responded to your comments which are rambling and pointless.

Deal with the fact that you have been on the wrong track with your nonsense about why he used illegal drugs. He wanted privacy and he got it by going around the doctors/pharmacy. Not really that hard to understand. He had them and he used them get over it.

That was much better. I knew you could do it. You do it everytime I ask you to. Tells you something about you,which is a good thing.

As to the "nonsense", what nonsense is that? Elaborate , Laura.