PennyPurple said:

If his family and inner circle are now saying that he had cancer, then somebody forgot to tell Chazz who think's he was murdered....

They are not telling Chazz anything that is the reason he is mad. In addtion, cancer or no cancer someone got Prince those pills. Could have been assisted suicide or an accident but it is still murder.

Remember Charles has spoken to the media for years. He had no filter and he would be the last person you would tell a secret to but I think he has some reason to think that something shady was going on and if Prince wanted to die the family should tell him so he can have peace.

I know it will not go over well because as a culture we just do not handle sucide well.

[Edited 1/3/18 11:09am]

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

If he had PC, there would not be any reason what so ever to obtain drugs illegally off of the streets. The Drs. would prescribe for a terminally ill patient.....

He had Dr. S write him non-controlled Rx under an assumed name. He did not want anyone knowing his business. Look at the two pharmacist that got into trouble for looking him up in the database. Star Tribune hiring an attorney to get his divorce file open.

Look at the media getting his FBI records. He was not going to have some greasy tabloid making a dollar off him.

No matter what, if he had terminal cancer the Drs. would not have a problem with writing him scripts for pain killers, no matter what name he used. The fact is there were illegal pills in PP, the kind that are made on the street. Street drugs.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

If his family and inner circle are now saying that he had cancer, then somebody forgot to tell Chazz who think's he was murdered....

They are not telling Chazz anything that is the reason he is mad. In addtion, cancer or no cancer someone got Prince those pills. Could have been assisted suicide or an accident but it is still murder.

Yes, everyone but Prince, got Prince all of those pills.

And lets also remember how fast PC takes you down. IF it was PC he wouldn't have lasted 2 years, since him and Tyka's convo. PC is fast moving.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

What evidence do you have to date that has information (verifiable or not) of equal value or more? Please share so that we can discuss. I certainly would love to see it.

Obviously none. I'm just keeping perspective with what's in front of us. Simply saying there is nothing else doesn't change the facts, nothing in those forms has been verified beyond what was originally written. Granted they are crucial in the investigation but no one not even you have stated the odds of fallibility. So we are still dealing with great big gapping holes that through personal preferences are being filled. Which is not facts. So I'm wondering what makes ones speculation more valid over another's based on the information we have.

If there is "obviously none" (as you duly pointed out) ,I will stick to what I have for now. If you find anything comparable , let us know.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

He had Dr. S write him non-controlled Rx under an assumed name. He did not want anyone knowing his business. Look at the two pharmacist that got into trouble for looking him up in the database. Star Tribune hiring an attorney to get his divorce file open.

Look at the media getting his FBI records. He was not going to have some greasy tabloid making a dollar off him.

No matter what, if he had terminal cancer the Drs. would not have a problem with writing him scripts for pain killers, no matter what name he used. The fact is there were illegal pills in PP, the kind that are made on the street. Street drugs.

In the documentary they said he made four trips to Walgreens to get meds if this is true and I have no idea how they would know it would mean he did have an Rx at some point probaly under someone else's name or written in another state or country.

You keep acting as if Prince was going to need to get something from a doctor. He had money he could get whatever he wanted and he would not have to work with an doctor. At any rate notice that Dr. S is not even in any trouble for writing him those non-controlled substances under Kirk's name.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

Obviously none. I'm just keeping perspective with what's in front of us. Simply saying there is nothing else doesn't change the facts, nothing in those forms has been verified beyond what was originally written. Granted they are crucial in the investigation but no one not even you have stated the odds of fallibility. So we are still dealing with great big gapping holes that through personal preferences are being filled. Which is not facts. So I'm wondering what makes ones speculation more valid over another's based on the information we have.

If there is "obviously none" (as you duly pointed out) ,I will stick to what I have for now. If you find anything comparable , let us know.

Of course, but since you've blocked certain things then I'm not sure what's comparable.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

They are not telling Chazz anything that is the reason he is mad. In addtion, cancer or no cancer someone got Prince those pills. Could have been assisted suicide or an accident but it is still murder.

Yes, everyone but Prince, got Prince all of those pills.

Did they find a pill stamping machine in the basement of Paisely Park? Their was a source and a creator for those pills and it was not Prince. He did not make them they came from someone.

the thing that screams intentional is the fact that prince's pill had enough fent to kill a whale, that's no kind of accident on the part of a person making it, that's an intentional pill to kill. that's my beliefe.

PennyPurple said:

And lets also remember how fast PC takes you down. IF it was PC he wouldn't have lasted 2 years, since him and Tyka's convo. PC is fast moving.

And it may not have been PC for that matter, or anything else other than: The last visit to Paisley Park by Dr. Schulenberg while Andrew was scheduled to arrive may appear to be coincidental by others. Until you find out the timing of the last opiate use and why and when test are needed before administering Buprenorphine. It's all very time sensitive and coincides with what and how much of "x" substances is circulating in your system. Does "x" amount of days ring a bell?

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Yes, everyone but Prince, got Prince all of those pills.

Did they find a pill stamping machine in the basement of Paisely Park? Their was a source and a creator for those pills and it was not Prince. He did not make them they came from someone.

You are hilarious. I smile everytime I read your post. "Pill stamping machine".

PennyPurple said:

And lets also remember how fast PC takes you down. IF it was PC he wouldn't have lasted 2 years, since him and Tyka's convo. PC is fast moving.

Not really they have better treatments now a days to keep people living longer with all sorts of cancers. He could have had treatment before even for some other cancer and had it come back again. Like I said that 65k was for some sort of treatment.

The lady from the Dap Kings dealt with it for a bit and even had surgery but still died in the end.

Even Patrick Swayze hung in their for a while.

Jackie Collins had breast cancer and dealt with it for 8 years due to experimental treatment.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Did they find a pill stamping machine in the basement of Paisely Park? Their was a source and a creator for those pills and it was not Prince. He did not make them they came from someone.

You are hilarious. I smile everytime I read your post. "Pill stamping machine".

It is common sense and the law is looking for the person he got them for him. The law is not making Prince the suspect. I have said it before it this was just a simple o.d. the case would have been closed a long time ago. The police know somethig is fishy and they are not getting cooperation from associates or family.

They are all hiding something. Something even beyond cancer.

PeteSilas said:

the thing that screams intentional is the fact that prince's pill had enough fent to kill a whale, that's no kind of accident on the part of a person making it, that's an intentional pill to kill. that's my beliefe.

Well given you have a epidemic of these type of pills all over the world...

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

You are hilarious. I smile everytime I read your post. "Pill stamping machine".

It is common sense and the law is looking for the person he got them for him. The law is not making Prince the suspect. I have said it before it this was just a simple o.d. the case would have been closed a long time ago. The police know somethig is fishy and they are not getting cooperation from associates or family.

They are all hiding something. Something even beyond cancer.

Like what? Tell us.

PeteSilas said:

the thing that screams intentional is the fact that prince's pill had enough fent to kill a whale, that's no kind of accident on the part of a person making it, that's an intentional pill to kill. that's my beliefe.

It would be odd to kill a customer much less a customer flush with cash.

PeteSilas said:

the thing that screams intentional is the fact that prince's pill had enough fent to kill a whale, that's no kind of accident on the part of a person making it, that's an intentional pill to kill. that's my beliefe.

So, did someone kill Prince, or did Prince commit suicide with this "kill pill"? Which is it?

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

the thing that screams intentional is the fact that prince's pill had enough fent to kill a whale, that's no kind of accident on the part of a person making it, that's an intentional pill to kill. that's my beliefe.

So, did someone kill Prince, or did Prince commit suicide with this "kill pill"? Which is it?

i never said anyone killed prince, i think you're mixing me with someon else.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

You are hilarious. I smile everytime I read your post. "Pill stamping machine".

It is common sense and the law is looking for the person he got them for him. The law is not making Prince the suspect. I have said it before it this was just a simple o.d. the case would have been closed a long time ago. The police know somethig is fishy and they are not getting cooperation from associates or family.

They are all hiding something. Something even beyond cancer.

Nobody in their right mind woud make Prince a "suspect". This is redundant and rudimentary. What Prince is responsible for is taking the pills that he was well aware could result in death, irrespective of where/who he got them from . That is his decision and his alone. If it were not so, that would mean that he was not aware of what happened to him previously .

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

It is common sense and the law is looking for the person he got them for him. The law is not making Prince the suspect. I have said it before it this was just a simple o.d. the case would have been closed a long time ago. The police know somethig is fishy and they are not getting cooperation from associates or family.

They are all hiding something. Something even beyond cancer.

Like what? Tell us.

Sucide, someone giving him that pill because he wanted to die.

Someone he trusted to get him the pills who gave it to him for their own reasons. ( greed ) ( lust) or ( Jelousy) or a fool he trusted making a hugh mistake and no one wanting that person to spill all the beans.

I do not see Prince getting this stuff from someone he did not trust. We know a church was stolen after he died, an old manager came back to defraud, a girlfriend may now be going with Kirk, Kirk' s whole family is working at PP, and his second gold digging wife ran right out to copyright L4OA just a few days after he died and just the fact that I have seen items from Paisley Park that someone on Facebook claims was given to them by family members right after he died.

Plenty of greedy ass people were around him and up to no good. It is easy to take advantage of someone who is ill.

Don't forget the crazy ass women that threated to kill him in the FBI file or the nuts treaspassing and jumping over the fence.

[Edited 1/3/18 11:38am]

PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

So, did someone kill Prince, or did Prince commit suicide with this "kill pill"? Which is it?

i never said anyone killed prince, i think you're mixing me with someon else.

I am merely asking what are your thoughts on this "kill pill"? Didn't mean to imply that you thought either way.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

It is common sense and the law is looking for the person he got them for him. The law is not making Prince the suspect. I have said it before it this was just a simple o.d. the case would have been closed a long time ago. The police know somethig is fishy and they are not getting cooperation from associates or family.

They are all hiding something. Something even beyond cancer.

Nobody in their right mind woud make Prince a "suspect". This is redundant and rudimentary. What Prince is responsible for is taking the pills that he was well aware could result in death, irrespective of where/who he got them from . That is his decision and his alone. If it were not so, that would mean that he was not aware of what happened to him previously .

None of what you state matters. This is a homicide investigation per the way the laws are written meaning the law is holding the dealer responsible not Prince.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

i never said anyone killed prince, i think you're mixing me with someon else.

I am merely asking what are your thoughts on this "kill pill"? Didn't mean to imply that you thought either way.

oh, sorry, i think Prince knew it was lethal and took it, i think he intentionally sought it out. I don't think Kirk or anyone tried to kill him. but I'm trying to be open minded with some of our posters here, as far as im' concerned, at this point, there opinions are as valid as ours.

PeteSilas said:

someone on here said he had leukemia and he said he heard it from the inner circle. what struck me about it is I think he was one of the posters who was full on thinking prince was murdered before he said that, so he was persuaded by whoever he spoke to that prince was terminal.

He still thinks P was murdered.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

someone on here said he had leukemia and he said he heard it from the inner circle. what struck me about it is I think he was one of the posters who was full on thinking prince was murdered before he said that, so he was persuaded by whoever he spoke to that prince was terminal.

He still thinks P was murdered.

He could have had cancer and been murdered.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Nobody in their right mind woud make Prince a "suspect". This is redundant and rudimentary. What Prince is responsible for is taking the pills that he was well aware could result in death, irrespective of where/who he got them from . That is his decision and his alone. If it were not so, that would mean that he was not aware of what happened to him previously .

None of what you state matters. This is a homicide investigation per the way the laws are written meaning the law is holding the dealer responsible not Prince.

You are being redundant. Nobody is claming that Prince is a "suspect". You are the only one bringing that up .Most, if not all of us, are past that rudimentary idea and wouldnt even bother to have such an elementary conversation concerning Prince the "suspect".

1.He is respsonsible for taking an illicit street drug.

2.He is responsible for procuring illicit pills.

3.He is responsble for what happened in Moline.

4.He is reposnsible for self administering ilicit opiates before ,during and after Moline..

5. He is responsible for the intake of "x" pill with fentanyl in it that cuased him to overdose.

6. He is not responsible nor has been implicated for manufacturing said illicit pills or selling it to himself, to date.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

No matter what, if he had terminal cancer the Drs. would not have a problem with writing him scripts for pain killers, no matter what name he used. The fact is there were illegal pills in PP, the kind that are made on the street. Street drugs.

In the documentary they said he made four trips to Walgreens to get meds if this is true and I have no idea how they would know it would mean he did have an Rx at some point probaly under someone else's name or written in another state or country.

You keep acting as if Prince was going to need to get something from a doctor. He had money he could get whatever he wanted and he would not have to work with an doctor. At any rate notice that Dr. S is not even in any trouble for writing him those non-controlled substances under Kirk's name.

If he had terminal cancer, there would be no need to get drugs off of the street. Most normal people DO get their scripts for Meds from a DR.

Also do not forget that Dr S wrote Kirk that prescription for percocet which ended up with Prince.

There was no reason what so ever that Prince had to turn to street drugs, again IF he was terminal he could've gotten a script from any DR in any name, just like he had been doing.

You don't have PC for 2 years, it's brutal and swift. 2 years before he died is when he and Tyka had the convo.....

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

None of what you state matters. This is a homicide investigation per the way the laws are written meaning the law is holding the dealer responsible not Prince.

You are being redundant. Nobody is claming that Prince is a "suspect". You are the only one bringing that up .Most, if not all of us, are past that rudimentary idea and wouldnt even bother to have such an elementary conversation concerning Prince the "suspect".

1.He is respsonsible for taking an illicit street drug.

2.He is responsible for procuring illicit pills.

3.He is responsble for what happened in Moline.

4.He is reposnsible for self administering ilicit opiates before ,during and after Moline..

5. He is responsible for the intake of "x" pill with fentanyl in it that cuased him to overdose.

6. He is not responsible nor has been implicated for manufacturing said illicit pills or selling it to himself, to date.

Per the law he is not responsible. The person who sold or gave him those drugs is going to be held legally responsible. Moral wise he is responsible for making the decision to take them which he may well have done on purpose which would be his decision but we do not allow assisted sucide in the US so the dealer is going to be held responsible.

We do not put people in prison for bad morale decisions.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

And lets also remember how fast PC takes you down. IF it was PC he wouldn't have lasted 2 years, since him and Tyka's convo. PC is fast moving.

Not really they have better treatments now a days to keep people living longer with all sorts of cancers. He could have had treatment before even for some other cancer and had it come back again. Like I said that 65k was for some sort of treatment.

The lady from the Dap Kings dealt with it for a bit and even had surgery but still died in the end.

Even Patrick Swayze hung in their for a while.

Jackie Collins had breast cancer and dealt with it for 8 years due to experimental treatment.

Laura, we are not talking breast cancer. We are talking PC. Patrick Swayze even sought treatment in another country, which is probably why he lasted a little longer. PC is not curable, it is brutal painful, and FAST.

PeteSilas said:

the thing that screams intentional is the fact that prince's pill had enough fent to kill a whale, that's no kind of accident on the part of a person making it, that's an intentional pill to kill. that's my beliefe.

Not intentional, it's how the cut it. Fentanyl could be in 5 of a batch of 20, because they aren't pharmacists, they are people off the streets throwing anything and everything in. You never know what you are gonna get when you buy off the street.