GustavoRibas said:

Prince spent his career building that ´larger than life´ persona (even George Michael, a pop star himself, said he couldnt imagine Prince cleaning his house).

So, he couldnt show any weakness. Unfortunately it cost his life. Other pop stars took a time to be treated and survived.

I can't imagine P doing one chore around the house It was some bubble he must have lived in.

There was one slightly surreal moment in the Oprah interview, where Oprah asked whether ex-girlfriends made any contact, and P's response was 'the phone just stopped ringing' and Mayte's non-verbal reaction was 'What?!' probably because, unknown to some, he never answered the phone to her, nevermind any exes.

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FunkyBrotha said:

I don't accept that it was emotional or mental health issues that caused him to take pain killers it's well documented that he was suffering from chronic physical pain in his later life. He also didn't have an ongoing addiction to drugs from 1997 there is no evidence whatsoever pointing to that.

Is it possible that they are saying in addition to the chronic pain he was also depressed which could have led to the misuse of pain killers

fortuneandserendipity said:

WeDaBest said:

FunkyBrotha said:

I don't accept that it was emotional or mental health issues that caused him to take pain killers it's well documented that he was suffering from chronic physical pain in his later life. He also didn't have an ongoing addiction to drugs from 1997 there is no evidence whatsoever pointing to that.

Is it possible that they are saying in addition to the chronic pain he was also depressed which could have led to the misuse of pain killers

Naaa, he had no mate, no children, no close family, his spritual beliefs were all over the place, he was having a tough time getting older, he had hip pain and BTW, his storied vault was moldy and mldewed and rotting away just hundreds of feet away from where he slept. What was there to be depressed about?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

WeDaBest said:

Is it possible that they are saying in addition to the chronic pain he was also depressed which could have led to the misuse of pain killers

Naaa, he had no mate, no children, no close family, his spritual beliefs were all over the place, he was having a tough time getting older, he had hip pain and BTW, his storied vault was moldy and mldewed and rotting away just hundreds of feet away from where he slept. What was there to be depressed about?

We agree. But I think that because he was depressed he wasn't taking proper care with what pills he was taking and he certainly did not want to let on to anyone he was depressed or in pain - so not asking for help.

WeDaBest said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Naaa, he had no mate, no children, no close family, his spritual beliefs were all over the place, he was having a tough time getting older, he had hip pain and BTW, his storied vault was moldy and mldewed and rotting away just hundreds of feet away from where he slept. What was there to be depressed about?

We agree. But I think that because he was depressed he wasn't taking proper care with what pills he was taking and he certainly did not want to let on to anyone he was depressed or in pain - so not asking for help.

Yes, it was a slippery slope made worse by his life-long habits of control, secrecy and denial. When you take a step back and look at all the factors arrayed against him, IMO it would have taken a miracle to save him from himself. He was never going to willingly (and with a full heart) participate in the therapy and drug rehab he so desperately needed. Tragic. He had everything...and what good did it do him?

RJOrion said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I can't imagine P doing one chore around the house It was some bubble he must have lived in.

i just laughed out, imagining Prince wearing the hair, clothes and makeup from the "Elephants & Flowers" scene in Grafitti Bridge, while cutting and raking all the grass around Paisley Park...

Can you imagine Prince cleaning the toilet, or changing the cat litter? I just can't

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Naaa, he had no mate, no children, no close family, his spritual beliefs were all over the place, he was having a tough time getting older, he had hip pain and BTW, his storied vault was moldy and mldewed and rotting away just hundreds of feet away from where he slept. What was there to be depressed about?

—You got a good imagination how does a mental vault rot? Do you think they took 20, 000.00 tapes away to CA to look at them rot. Where did you read mildew? Is that you LM?

I'm thinking the same thing, How does a metal vault rot?

I guess I take that back after finding this on The Vault Masters Have Been Moved to Iron Mountain in California Thread:

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/10-PR-16-46/10PR1646_DeclarationofBrianWolfe_11-10-17.pdf

"None of the storage spaces-including the Vault-appeared to have humidity controls and all appeared to have insufficient climate controls for the proper preservation of audio and video materials. • We encountered boxes adhered to shelves that we had to peel off, cardboard boxes with evidence of water damage, mold on assets, rusted film canisters, and containers of film that smelled strongly of vinegar, which is an indication of acetate film degradation. 7. These conditions, as well as a report we received from a security consultant hired to evaluate Paisley Park, led us to the conclusion that the Estate's audio and video assets were not being well preserved at Paisley Park and should not continue to be stored there."

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GustavoRibas said:

Couldn't agree more...

CharismaDove said:

How about all you pundits and armchair psychologists stop obsessing over something that happened 20 years ago and realize the death of his kid (and whichever way he handled it) would have no standing on how he died from unrelated causes 20 fucking years later. I swear people reach so hard on this website. And yeah we get it, it was wrong for him to make Mayte appear on Oprah, but give him the same sympathy you're giving her, he was a pop star with a career to continue. Imagine how hard it is to keep going with the happiest album of your life after your cause of happiness dies. Give him some cred. It's disgusting how some are going after Amiir's mother and others going after his father. It was a horrible situation, why the fuck are people looking for someone to blame?

Astasheiks said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: —You got a good imagination how does a mental vault rot? Do you think they took 20, 000.00 tapes away to CA to look at them rot. Where did you read mildew? Is that you LM?

I'm thinking the same thing, How does a metal vault rot?

I guess I take that back after finding this on The Vault Masters Have Been Moved to Iron Mountain in California Thread:

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/10-PR-16-46/10PR1646_DeclarationofBrianWolfe_11-10-17.pdf

"None of the storage spaces-including the Vault-appeared to have humidity controls and all appeared to have insufficient climate controls for the proper preservation of audio and video materials. • We encountered boxes adhered to shelves that we had to peel off, cardboard boxes with evidence of water damage, mold on assets, rusted film canisters, and containers of film that smelled strongly of vinegar, which is an indication of acetate film degradation. 7. These conditions, as well as a report we received from a security consultant hired to evaluate Paisley Park, led us to the conclusion that the Estate's audio and video assets were not being well preserved at Paisley Park and should not continue to be stored there."

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Obviously I meant the "contents" of the vault...Thanks for being big enough to admit your error.

I can imagine how hard it was for him, and I give him sympathy I am just mad at Laura, because she's is hating on Mayte on a constant level and she justifys his actions. That's why I didn't stop repeating that what he did was wrong, it was not to put him down, I tried to show Laura that she's hating Mayte even when she deserves nothing but respect. She's respecting Prince for going on with his career while she puts Mayte down and keeps blaming only her on that subject, saying that she could've left when it's not as easy as she believes it is.

It's obvious that Laura hates Mayte on a personal level (she never met her) and I got tired on her constant hate against a woman who's gone shit too.

purplerabbithole said:

Couldn't agree more...

CharismaDove said:

How about all you pundits and armchair psychologists stop obsessing over something that happened 20 years ago and realize the death of his kid (and whichever way he handled it) would have no standing on how he died from unrelated causes 20 fucking years later. I swear people reach so hard on this website. And yeah we get it, it was wrong for him to make Mayte appear on Oprah, but give him the same sympathy you're giving her, he was a pop star with a career to continue. Imagine how hard it is to keep going with the happiest album of your life after your cause of happiness dies. Give him some cred. It's disgusting how some are going after Amiir's mother and others going after his father. It was a horrible situation, why the fuck are people looking for someone to blame?

ThatWhiteDude said:

I can imagine how hard it was for him, and I give him sympathy I am just mad at Laura, because she's is hating on Mayte on a constant level and she justifys his actions. That's why I didn't stop repeating that what he did was wrong, it was not to put him down, I tried to show Laura that she's hating Mayte even when she deserves nothing but respect. She's respecting Prince for going on with his career while she puts Mayte down and keeps blaming only her on that subject, saying that she could've left when it's not as easy as she believes it is.

It's obvious that Laura hates Mayte on a personal level (she never met her) and I got tired on her constant hate against a woman who's gone shit too.

purplerabbithole said:

Couldn't agree more...

PREACH White Dude, not enough people here with the balls to stand up to the increasingly shrill and irrational bullies. RESPECT!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I can imagine how hard it was for him, and I give him sympathy I am just mad at Laura, because she's is hating on Mayte on a constant level and she justifys his actions. That's why I didn't stop repeating that what he did was wrong, it was not to put him down, I tried to show Laura that she's hating Mayte even when she deserves nothing but respect. She's respecting Prince for going on with his career while she puts Mayte down and keeps blaming only her on that subject, saying that she could've left when it's not as easy as she believes it is.

It's obvious that Laura hates Mayte on a personal level (she never met her) and I got tired on her constant hate against a woman who's gone shit too.

PREACH White Dude, not enough people here with the balls to stand up to the increasingly shrill and irrational bullies. RESPECT!

Thanks again Bod, feels good to know that someone got your back. But I guess it's not a winning game for me. I think I could show her facts that prove that Mayte isn't a horrible human being, or that she loved Prince etc. But she'll find always a reason to hate on her. No matter what she's doing, Mayte can't win.

ThatWhiteDude said:

White dude, you have got to understand that some folks are so supremely disappointed that she released this book as a "love story", seemed okay with the most salicious bits of the book mentioned on the cover of People magazine and released the book on the anniversary of his death (which to some seemed like exploiting his death to earn sympathy for her plight by being married to him during a time intended as a celebration of his life and work) These are not totally unreasonable reasons to be weary. What P did with Oprah was wrong...but P just died and she is making money on a book that wouldnt been released when he was alive. I don't know her motives (could be a combination of financial necessity, closure, a cautionary tale against the harmful effects of too much privacy--ie P's inability to be open about his real problems, a tribute to what was good about their relationship or a tribute to their son.) Who knows? But if I am to give her the benefit of the doubt and not assume the worst...I think others should do the same for P where the OPrah show is concerned. I know P is not suffering anymore and that OPrah stuff was painful to her. But his legacy means a lot to a lot of people. You said she said needed defending on the org because she is not here to do so. Folks on here feel he is unable to defend himself in any way against an one-sided account of a relationship because he is dead. I don't agree with unreasonable hatred of Mayte. But I am not going to automatically agree with everything she does because I feel some sympathy for her. Laura is an intense chick and can be pretty tough even on Prince (she basically thinks he screwed anything with a vagina that looked anything like Vanity)>..LOL.

Also, from my point of view, I still can't help but get upset that a blogger on here once basically stated that P deserved to die alone (karma, they said) for how he treated Mayte.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PREACH White Dude, not enough people here with the balls to stand up to the increasingly shrill and irrational bullies. RESPECT!

Thanks again Bod, feels good to know that someone got your back. But I guess it's not a winning game for me. I think I could show her facts that prove that Mayte isn't a horrible human being, or that she loved Prince etc. But she'll find always a reason to hate on her. No matter what she's doing, Mayte can't win.

[Edited 11/16/17 19:04pm]

[Edited 11/16/17 19:07pm]

16th of November... time for thread to die...

laytonian said:

Serious fans know of Andea Swensson of The Current AND her great book GOT TO BE SOMETHING HERE. If you haven't got that one yet, you are missing out on lots of important history.

In a panel held this week, she offers perhaps the best explanation why Prince is no longer here:

"During the Q&A session, an audience member asked how Prince’s death could create a potential positive change for the Opioid Epidemic. Andrea clarified that Prince’s death was actually part of an epidemic of mental health stigma surrounding musicians and public figures. Prince’s death was the result of being in “a lot of pain and [being] scared to tell anyone.”

I had to think about that...but I think she's correct. He didn't want to admit he wasn't as strong as he'd been in his earlier life and never wanted to admit an addiction -- so he hid it. He wanted to give his fam THE FULL PRINCE, no matter the cost to himself. Remember when he said "what if everyone left me?"
Lisa Coleman said essentially the same thing last year: (paraphrasing) "My friend isn't here because he couldn't say he was getting older..."

https://www.peopleofpaisl...e-mourning

[Edited 11/13/17 11:42am]

I agree with point and I've written it several times in posts on various threads. He had a great deal of pride and had difficulty asking for help. I think he also may have feared that his private struggles would become public if he sought help. His private struggles have become public, but unfortunately, these private struggles became public after he was dead and it was, therefore, too late to help him.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

WeDaBest said:

We agree. But I think that because he was depressed he wasn't taking proper care with what pills he was taking and he certainly did not want to let on to anyone he was depressed or in pain - so not asking for help.

Yes, it was a slippery slope made worse by his life-long habits of control, secrecy and denial. When you take a step back and look at all the factors arrayed against him, IMO it would have taken a miracle to save him from himself. He was never going to willingly (and with a full heart) participate in the therapy and drug rehab he so desperately needed. Tragic. He had everything...and what good did it do him?

Bodhittheblackdog, what you wrote here is sad but also quite accurate.

Bodhittheblackdog said:

"...He had everything...and what good did it do him?..."

-------------------------------------------------------

a message and lesson for all of humanity... Prince was just another example

Bodhitheblackdog said:

WeDaBest said:

Is it possible that they are saying in addition to the chronic pain he was also depressed which could have led to the misuse of pain killers

Naaa, he had no mate, no children, no close family, his spritual beliefs were all over the place, he was having a tough time getting older, he had hip pain and BTW, his storied vault was moldy and mldewed and rotting away just hundreds of feet away from where he slept. What was there to be depressed about?

I do believe Prince suffered from bouts of depression throughout his life. Many actions and traits in his personality allude to that.

I'm okay with people who aren't okay with the book she wrote. It's their right, as it's my right to be okay with the book. Different strokes for different folks right? But Laura is a bully and that's what I find not okay. She's hating on Mayte on a constant level, whenever there's a thread about his women, or whatever, she takes the stage to repeat how she feels about her and she'll never give her credit or blames her for everything. That's bullying and that is what I'm not okay with.

You don't the idea of the book? That's cool, but don't be a dick about it. You like the idea of the book? That's cool 2, but don't be a dick about it.

purplerabbithole said:

White dude, you have got to understand that some folks are so supremely disappointed that she released this book as a "love story", seemed okay with the most salicious bits of the book mentioned on the cover of People magazine and released the book on the anniversary of his death (which to some seemed like exploiting his death to earn sympathy for her plight by being married to him during a time intended as a celebration of his life and work) These are not totally unreasonable reasons to be weary. What P did with Oprah was wrong...but P just died and she is making money on a book that wouldnt been released when he was alive. I don't know her motives (could be a combination of financial necessity, closure, a cautionary tale against the harmful effects of too much privacy--ie P's inability to be open about his real problems, a tribute to what was good about their relationship or a tribute to their son.) Who knows? But if I am to give her the benefit of the doubt and not assume the worst...I think others should do the same for P where the OPrah show is concerned. I know P is not suffering anymore and that OPrah stuff was painful to her. But his legacy means a lot to a lot of people. You said she said needed defending on the org because she is not here to do so. Folks on here feel he is unable to defend himself in any way against an one-sided account of a relationship because he is dead. I don't agree with unreasonable hatred of Mayte. But I am not going to automatically agree with everything she does because I feel some sympathy for her. Laura is an intense chick and can be pretty tough even on Prince (she basically thinks he screwed anything with a vagina that looked anything like Vanity)>..LOL.

Also, from my point of view, I still can't help but get upset that a blogger on here once basically stated that P deserved to die alone (karma, they said) for how he treated Mayte.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Thanks again Bod, feels good to know that someone got your back. But I guess it's not a winning game for me. I think I could show her facts that prove that Mayte isn't a horrible human being, or that she loved Prince etc. But she'll find always a reason to hate on her. No matter what she's doing, Mayte can't win.

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[Edited 11/16/17 19:07pm]

NotACleverName said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Thanks again Bod, feels good to know that someone got your back. But I guess it's not a winning game for me. I think I could show her facts that prove that Mayte isn't a horrible human being, or that she loved Prince etc. But she'll find always a reason to hate on her. No matter what she's doing, Mayte can't win.

Bodhi is correct....there are not enough here who challenge someone who attempts to shut down any opposing view/differing opinion by constantly demeaning, name calling, posting profanity laden comments, repeating the same thing ad nauseam and incessantly breeding negativity. So, I too, appreciate your fortitude, TWD.

Thank you