PeteSilas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

A coverrup for what exactly?

of something, what i don't know, that's what i want to know. it does happen, there wasa bodybuilder who died recently, his autopsy says "undetermined" people are brainwashed to believe what officials tell them, it's obvious the bodybuilder died of something related to steroids/drugs and it's being covered up. what about the shots? i've heard it many times, that it was reported on cnn, many people are swearing they heard this, what the fuck is going on? that's strange as fuck to me, if you like it though, i love it.

I heard about it too, well, I haven't seen it on the news. But I heard about it. But I don't think that there is enough evidence for that......I don't know.

laurarichardson said:

renfield said:

It's consistent with how he lived. He sat cheerily with Oprah saying everything with his child was "all good" when he and Mayte had gone through the unimaginable pain of their child's death just weeks before. I understand wanting privacy but pretending like nothing is wrong isn't healthy. Cancel the interview and release a simple "please respect our privacy during this difficult time" statement. I don't think Prince liked acknowledging that anything was beyond his control, and sadly here we are.

—Telling the entire free world your personal business is not healthy either. What in the world would getting on T.V. done to bring back that child or sooth the pain? He was on that program to promote his album not use his child’s death for PR. I still cannot believe anyone thinks publicizing his child death would have been a good move? It would have been tacky and crass.

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He once halted the release of an album mere days before its release, costing him a significant amount of dollars, due to a bad XTC trip.

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Now compare to what happened with Emancipation.

purplerabbithole said:

Do you honestly think he only went on Oprah to promote an album??

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Yes. He also did more interviews in a two-day period for Emancipation than in all previous years of his career combined.

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I think what P did was say to the world "Yes, something that is private happened to our child, but we are still a family and will keep trying to have kids...that is all. We have addressed it"

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Ah yes, the old "do not listen to what he actually said because it makes him look bad, instead make up something that makes him look great."

BartVanHemelen said:

purplerabbithole said:

Do you honestly think he only went on Oprah to promote an album??

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Yes. He also did more interviews in a two-day period for Emancipation than in all previous years of his career combined.

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I think what P did was say to the world "Yes, something that is private happened to our child, but we are still a family and will keep trying to have kids...that is all. We have addressed it"

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Ah yes, the old "do not listen to what he actually said because it makes him look bad, instead make up something that makes him look great."

Yup, that's exactly what some fans do.

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

renfield said: —Telling the entire free world your personal business is not healthy either. What in the world would getting on T.V. done to bring back that child or sooth the pain? He was on that program to promote his album not use his child’s death for PR. I still cannot believe anyone thinks publicizing his child death would have been a good move? It would have been tacky and crass.

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He once halted the release of an album mere days before its release, costing him a significant amount of dollars, due to a bad XTC trip.

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Now compare to what happened with Emancipation.

What the fuck does Prince discussing his dead child while promoting his Emancipation have to do with the black album?

What is your point?

BartVanHemelen said:

purplerabbithole said:

Do you honestly think he only went on Oprah to promote an album??

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Yes. He also did more interviews in a two-day period for Emancipation than in all previous years of his career combined.

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I think what P did was say to the world "Yes, something that is private happened to our child, but we are still a family and will keep trying to have kids...that is all. We have addressed it"

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Ah yes, the old "do not listen to what he actually said because it makes him look bad, instead make up something that makes him look great."

That is what he said and what is bad about it?

It is not about making anyone look great it about noisey ass people who are still pissed off about a decision that Prince was free to make about his child ( not yours). It was not our business.

MMJas said:

luv4u said:

Yeah, another theory...........

Why a theory? If he ws indeed self medicating for pain and knowing Prince of course he would hide his maladies from the world, for various reasons. First, because of insurance, just like Laura has said. Secondly, can you imagine the questioning if he had at least admitted to hip pain, surgery, whatever? Interviews would be filled with questions about his health and that would take center stage in all things Prince related. Thirdly, and as it has been widely discussed on this board for over a year now, he was extremely private. He hid the death of his own child, don't you think he would hide his physical pain too?

Of course he would have because at the end of the day it was not anyone's business. I also think people keep forgetting he was seeing a doctor and he did have non-pain meds some of which appear to be for withdrawals.

I do not think drug addiction was Prince's main problem and I love how the narrative totally has left out that he was seeking help for both joint pain and pain meds. ( Yet he was too afraid to seek help ) We also know that he was waiting on test results and had a large medical expense on his inventory sheet.

He had health issues recently and at 65k I am convinced that this was for some treatment or surgery.

This lady needs to stick with writing books about music and be quiet about Prince's medical issues.

If she knew anything she would know that no sane entertainer goes around annoucing health problems if they want to keep working.

Everybody has bills to pay.

I think this explanation is spot on.

Imagine maintaining a persona as Prince did, he was apparently always on and from an early age cultivated this rock star persona that went through various incarnations but was exceptionally, always Prince. No downtime, okay he changed into a more refined star in his later years, not exactly grand statesman but gone were the splits, the high heels, but he was a rock god till the last.

He didn't want to ask for help, his private life was exactly that, but so obscured by this carefulyl maintained persona that you could argue he didn't have a private life, he dedicated himself completely to his music, so where do you go from there?

Like David Bowie, he was a true artist, his life, his music, his performances, his songwriting were what he was all about. If there was any part of a private, normal person that he could retreat to in times when things were not going well (like someone said with the loss of his child) then he would have gone there. I really don't think there was a place for him to go, the aircraft incident and hospital visit and subsequent appearance at Paisley Park. His trying to control the narrative of his well being combined with the opioid dependecy was utlimately what caused his death.

Prince led an incredible life, the god-given, rarely seen talent, his visionary choices, the work, the showmanship, the music he left us but he certainly gave everything for his art.

Prince.

laurarichardson said:

cra1g0s said:

I think this explanation is spot on.

Imagine maintaining a persona as Prince did, he was apparently always on and from an early age cultivated this rock star persona that went through various incarnations but was exceptionally, always Prince. No downtime, okay he changed into a more refined star in his later years, not exactly grand statesman but gone were the splits, the high heels, but he was a rock god till the last.

He didn't want to ask for help, his private life was exactly that, but so obscured by this carefulyl maintained persona that you could argue he didn't have a private life, he dedicated himself completely to his music, so where do you go from there?

Like David Bowie, he was a true artist, his life, his music, his performances, his songwriting were what he was all about. If there was any part of a private, normal person that he could retreat to in times when things were not going well (like someone said with the loss of his child) then he would have gone there. I really don't think there was a place for him to go, the aircraft incident and hospital visit and subsequent appearance at Paisley Park. His trying to control the narrative of his well being combined with the opioid dependecy was utlimately what caused his death.

Prince led an incredible life, the god-given, rarely seen talent, his visionary choices, the work, the showmanship, the music he left us but he certainly gave everything for his art.

Prince.

Accept that we have no idea what all of his health issues are and once again he was seeking some medical help for more then a few issues of which we have evidence. We know very little.

purplerabbithole said:

laurarichardson said:

What the fuck does Prince discussing his dead child while promoting his Emancipation have to do with the black album?

What is your point?

I don’t engage with Bart. But it’s funny that he would bring up Prince antics about the Black Album. If anything those tactics prove that he did not always put career above beliefs or other concerns. Also like I said P being vague about his kids death is not the same thing as saying “my son is not dead.” Saying essentially we are okay and still have a family is not the same thing. [Edited 11/14/17 6:27am]

They were still a family and tried to have another child soon after and just maybe they or at least he was okay. He was vague because it was not anyone's business. Old school black folk do not go around putting their personal business out in the streets. It is no more complicated then that.

purplerabbithole said:

laurarichardson said:

What the fuck does Prince discussing his dead child while promoting his Emancipation have to do with the black album?

What is your point?

I don’t engage with Bart. But it’s funny that he would bring up Prince antics about the Black Album. If anything those tactics prove that he did not always put career above beliefs or other concerns. Also like I said P being vague about his kids death is not the same thing as saying “my son is not dead.” Saying essentially we are okay and still have a family is not the same thing. [Edited 11/14/17 6:27am]

He didn't exactly use this words, but to say: "It's all good, nevermind what you hear"is still not right, his wife heard it and he even forced her to do the interview. I'm sorry, but how he "managed" the subject wasn't right.

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

laurarichardson said: I don’t engage with Bart. But it’s funny that he would bring up Prince antics about the Black Album. If anything those tactics prove that he did not always put career above beliefs or other concerns. Also like I said P being vague about his kids death is not the same thing as saying “my son is not dead.” Saying essentially we are okay and still have a family is not the same thing. [Edited 11/14/17 6:27am]

They were still a family and tried to have another child soon after and just maybe they or at least he was okay. He was vague because it was not anyone's business. Old school black folk do not go around putting their personal business out in the streets. It is no more complicated then that.

I really don't believe that he was okay when his son died just a week ago.

purplerabbithole said:

Do you honestly think he only went on Oprah to promote an album?? Prince hardly promoted his work anyway. LIve performances for albums he never intended on releasing fully--sure but how often did he do shows like Oprah. Keep in mind that the tabloids were already on the story of his son's death. If he had canceled his appearance on Oprah, the speculation and scrutiny might have been even worse.. I think what P did was say to the world "Yes, something that is private happened to our child, but we are still a family and will keep trying to have kids...that is all. We have addressed it" I think he thought it would help to stem off scrutiny and would help Mayte move on. ALong with P's belief in reincarnation (remember when he states in the song "Comeback" --"if you lose someone dear to you, never say the words 'they're gone', they'll come back", he was trying to be strong and find a silver lining or a way to cope. P might have been in denial but I doubt he cared that much if he canceled an appearance. Remember this is the dude who refused to do "We Are the World" and barely promoted Around the World in a Day.

renfield said:

I never said publicize it or use it as PR. That's stupid, don't put words in my mouth. But to pretend it didn't happen is bizarre. If you don't want to discuss it at all (totally his right) then don't go on Oprah. That's REALLY simple. Yes his album would have suffered from the lack of promotion but that's probably a minor concern to an already wealthy legend who's just gone through a major personal trauma. Prince dealt with personal issues by throwing himself into his work, and it was ultimately unhealthy for him.

Yes - he did go on there to promote an album. Emancipation wasn't just any album - it was his first post-record comapny effort and that was a HUGE deal.

Prince always made very plain that he felt his job was to create the albums - and it was the record company's job to promote them. He didn't have that, anymore. He was EVERYWHERE for Emancipation - hell, he even did the Muppet Show just a couple days after the baby died.

The Oprah interview was scheduled well before the death of Prince and Mayte's child and he went through with it because that's what he did - and because (I suspect) he was grasping at anything that would take his focus off his emotional pain, however briefly.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Genesia said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplerabbithole said:

laurarichardson said: I don’t engage with Bart. But it’s funny that he would bring up Prince antics about the Black Album. If anything those tactics prove that he did not always put career above beliefs or other concerns. Also like I said P being vague about his kids death is not the same thing as saying “my son is not dead.” Saying essentially we are okay and still have a family is not the same thing. [Edited 11/14/17 6:27am]

He didn't exactly use this words, but to say: "It's all good, nevermind what you hear"is still not right, his wife heard it and he even forced her to do the interview. I'm sorry, but how he "managed" the subject wasn't right.

His choice not yours and do you think telling the world on T.V was going to make anything better?

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

He didn't exactly use this words, but to say: "It's all good, nevermind what you hear"is still not right, his wife heard it and he even forced her to do the interview. I'm sorry, but how he "managed" the subject wasn't right.

His choice not yours and do you think telling the world on T.V was going to make anything better?

Yes, it was his choice, I never said anything else. But, if he choose to manage the situation like that, even forcing his wife to do the Interview when she clearly didn't want to do it, I am free to choose my opinion about the way he handled it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

His choice not yours and do you think telling the world on T.V was going to make anything better?

Yes, it was his choice, I never said anything else. But, if he choose to manage the situation like that, even forcing his wife to do the Interview when she clearly didn't want to do it, I am free to choose my opinion about the way he handled it.

I do not believe he forced her to do anything because her mom was sitting right there with her.

Do you think Prince put a gun to Mayte's head?

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yes, it was his choice, I never said anything else. But, if he choose to manage the situation like that, even forcing his wife to do the Interview when she clearly didn't want to do it, I am free to choose my opinion about the way he handled it.

I do not believe he forced her to do anything because her mom was sitting right there with her.

Do you think Prince put a gun to Mayte's head?

WTF?? Do you really believe she fucking lied about that part in her book? Man you know very well how Prince could be! She told him that she won't do it and he said she had to do it. She described it from start to end!

She even begged him to tell Oprah to leave! But he didn't do it, "because they had an Album to promote." And her mum wasn't there when he forced her to do it. He woke her up and told her to get ready for the interview. And that was the most fucked up thing he put her through.

[Edited 11/14/17 8:52am]

PeteSilas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

A coverrup for what exactly?

of something, what i don't know, that's what i want to know. it does happen, there wasa bodybuilder who died recently, his autopsy says "undetermined" people are brainwashed to believe what officials tell them, it's obvious the bodybuilder died of something related to steroids/drugs and it's being covered up. what about the shots? i've heard it many times, that it was reported on cnn, many people are swearing they heard this, what the fuck is going on? that's strange as fuck to me, if you like it though, i love it.

Huh?

Life is easier if everything is a conspiracy.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Why a theory? If he ws indeed self medicating for pain and knowing Prince of course he would hide his maladies from the world, for various reasons. First, because of insurance, just like Laura has said. Secondly, can you imagine the questioning if he had at least admitted to hip pain, surgery, whatever? Interviews would be filled with questions about his health and that would take center stage in all things Prince related. Thirdly, and as it has been widely discussed on this board for over a year now, he was extremely private. He hid the death of his own child, don't you think he would hide his physical pain too?

Of course he would have because at the end of the day it was not anyone's business. I also think people keep forgetting he was seeing a doctor and he did have non-pain meds some of which appear to be for withdrawals.

I do not think drug addiction was Prince's main problem and I love how the narrative totally has left out that he was seeking help for both joint pain and pain meds. ( Yet he was too afraid to seek help ) We also know that he was waiting on test results and had a large medical expense on his inventory sheet.

He had health issues recently and at 65k I am convinced that this was for some treatment or surgery.

This lady needs to stick with writing books about music and be quiet about Prince's medical issues.

If she knew anything she would know that no sane entertainer goes around annoucing health problems if they want to keep working.

Everybody has bills to pay.

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Denial knows no bounds. Some people would rather build upon the vague statements of others (i.e. Tyka's new-agey BS) in order to create their own "reality" than to face the cold, hard facts that are available to us.

purplerabbithole said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

WTF?? Do you really believe she fucking lied about that part in her book? Man you know very well how Prince could be! She told him that she won't do it and he said she had to do it. She described it from start to end!

She even begged him to tell Oprah to leave! But he didn't do it, "because they had an Album to promote." And her mum wasn't there when he forced her to do it. He woke her up and told her to get ready for the interview. And that was the most fucked up thing he put her through.

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No one said she was lying about what went down. I was saying that forced is a strong word. Her mom was on the video. She agreed to appear in it.Why?

No, forced is the right word to describe what went down. I don't give a fuck if some fans can't accept it. Yes her mother was there too, but not when he forced her, or do you believe she stayed with them all the time???

She had no choice, she had to do it. Either his way or the highway, I can't believe that you really try to make it look less bad, when it was the most fucked up thing he could've done to her!

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplerabbithole said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No, forced is the right word to describe what went down. I don't give a fuck if some fans can't accept it. Yes her mother was there too, but not when he forced her, or do you believe she stayed with them all the time???

She had no choice, she had to do it. Either his way or the highway, I can't believe that you really try to make it look less bad, when it was the most fucked up thing he could've done to her!

Then she should have taken the highway. He had a powerful influence but ultimately she had free will.

Yeah, that's the right thing, blame the victim. She was beaten down by the death of her son, she was as weak as you can be in these moments.

I really hope you'll never get to the point she was, but if it happens to you, I hope that you remember what you said about Mayte and the interview.

purplerabbithole said:

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ThatWhiteDude said:

purplerabbithole said:

I never beat down on her. You said this book is a positive book about prince so maybe we ought to think about how tough the death was on him as well and why he might have been dragging his mourning wife out of bed who had been in bed for so long she can not even recall how long she was in bed. She was distraught but she still could have called her mom to pick her up and remove her from the situation. She was “forced” because she loved him but not by physical force or recrimination. My mom lets my dad tell her what to do and even though I sympathize with her (and am frustrated as well) , I also acknowledge that she allows it because she loves my dad (he is not violent or particularly abusive, just bossy and controlling) She still is making a choice to remain.

She didn't say she was forced out of love, and you forget that she begged him to tell Oprah to leave! He didn't, that doesn't sound like a free choice.

What part of this do you not understand. This was a new record deal after he bitched about WB. He had to go out and promote the record and these things are arranged ahead of time with a marketing plan.

Do you think Oprah was going to get back on her plane take all her people with her and come back on another day? It does not work in that manner and when you are married you do have to do things sometimes for your spouse. It does not mean Prince did not care about her or his unborn child however, he was the bread winner with scores of people to take care of including Mayte and her mom.

I honestly sometimes wonder if some of you are even employed much less no anything about running a business. You cannot always get out of your committments.