MOTIVE?

Funky dollar bill is real y'all.

ALSO who would have been a possible musical voice against the uber Right Wing that has developed in America right now other than Prince?

Michael was dead.

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muleFunk said:

ALSO who would have been a possible musical voice against the uber Right Wing that has developed in America right now other than Prince?

Michael was dead.

[Edited 11/21/17 19:39pm]

Because Prince was known for being so tolerant of others' religious and sexual orientations? womens' rights?, the hypocracy of certain conservative strains of Christianity? BRUUUUUUUCE!

muleFunk said:

Makes good sense until you realize that the evidence also shows a man who had pills in halves and fourths in those bottles. That's not a sign of someone who was getting high or even adddicted.

Mix in that with the 59 pills in the Bayer anad Alleve bottles were so highlt laced with Fentanyl that whomever touched them would have been poisoned by those pills.

When the M.E. opened him up and discovered the toxicology report of his body it sent them back to P.P. to look for more evidence of where they came from and THEY CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE.

This was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION made to look like the typical rock star OD.

Would you make up your mind? 2 weeks ago you said you had it from a good source that he had leukemia. Now you are saying it was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION. Didn't you also say you were writing a book, or something of the like?

What are you up to?

I think he could have been a moderate voice against the uber right (I heard that even Mormons were anti-Trump). He wasn't spouting the conspiracy theories quite as much. He had his moments of bitterness in the past where Jews in power were concerned but I don't think he was an ANTI-semite (with a capital A) and he seemd to be over that shit towards the end (friendship with BobbyZ was seemingly stronger, no more songs like Family Name [in which he compared black suffering to Jewish suffering], homosexuality? (Damn, he's all over the place on that one, but was staying neutral at the end of his life [stating he would not express an opinion one way or the othe on gay marriage--I imagine he was stuck between a rock and hard place--JW doctrine and progressive hollywood thinking] and according to Wendy wanted to be called "Uncle PRincey" by her child who had been delivered by her wife, I was also surprised that in 2011 Shelby {probably with Prince's permission}invited gay photographer Mike Ruiz (who at least four times had photo shoots with Prince} up on stage with his lover (and the couple actually kissed on stage) and P still worked with him again.), he was tolerant of Islam and against the Iraq war, he had his moments of sexism in 2001 but seemed to be more encouraging of women succeeding on their own terms towards the end of his life (people like Janelle Monae calling him a feminist, and P having encouraging statements about a female president in one of his later interviews, the non-sexualizing of 3rdEye Girl and being a fan of and havin 'proteges" and mentorees who wrote their own lyrics/music and had their own style (unlike Carmen electra and mayte). He also, according to KIm B and even Bria Valente (who talked privately to some commentator at a Prince conference) was veering away from strict adherence to JW's. The dude believed in chakras at the end of his life which of course doesn't quite align with JW's beliefs.

Anyhow, Prince had varying and changing views. At the end of his life, he supported Black LIves Matter and talked about removing guns in the Baltimore song. Still no fan of government and still religious, but certainly not going to support a racist like trump. One good thing about trump is that he has united many people (of varying political persuasions) in opposition to him. Van JOnes and Afshin Shahidi both believe Prince would have been a voice for working together (which really is how one opposes trump.)

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

ALSO who would have been a possible musical voice against the uber Right Wing that has developed in America right now other than Prince?

Michael was dead.

[Edited 11/21/17 19:39pm]

Because Prince was known for being so tolerant of others' religious and sexual orientations? womens' rights?, the hypocracy of certain conservative strains of Christianity? BRUUUUUUUCE!

[Edited 11/21/17 20:55pm]

[Edited 11/21/17 21:18pm]

purplerabbithole said:

I think he could have been a moderate voice against the uber right (remember even Mormons were anti-Trump). He wasn't spouting the conspiracy theories quite as much. He had his moments of bitterness in the past where Jews in power were concerned but I don't think he was an ANTI-semite (with a capital A) and he seemd to be over that shit towards the end (friendship with BobbyZ was seemingly stronger, no more songs like Family Name [in which he compared black suffering to Jewish suffering], homosexuality? (Damn, he's all over the place on that one, but was staying neutral at the end of his life [stating he would not express an opinion one way or the other] and according to Wendy wanted to be called "Uncle PRincey" by her child who had been delivered by her wife, I was also surprised that in 2011 Shelby {probably with Prince's permission}invited gay photographer Mike Ruiz (who at least four times had photo shoots with Prince} up on stage with his lover (and the couple actually kissed on stage) and P still worked with him again.), he was tolerant of Islam and against the Iraq war, he had his moments of sexism in 2001 but seemed to be more encouraging of women succeeding on their own terms towards the end of his life (people like Janelle Monae calling him a feminist, and encouraging statements about female presidents in one of his later interviews, the non-sexualizing of 3rdEye Girl and 'proteges" and mentorees who wrote their own lyrics/music and had their own style (unlike Carmen electra and mayte). He also, according to KIm B and even Bria Valente (who talked privately to some commentator at a Prince conference) was veering away from strict adherence to JW's. The dude believed in chakras at the end of his life which of course doesn't quite align with JW's beliefs.

Anyhow, Prince had varying and changing views. At the end of his life, he supported Black LIves Matter and talked about removing guns in the Baltimore song. Still no fan of government and still religious, but certainly not going to support a racist like trump. One good thing about trump is that he has united many people (of varying political persuasions) in opposition to him. Van JOnes and Afshin Shahidi both believe Prince would have been a voice for working together (which really is how one opposes trump.)

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Because Prince was known for being so tolerant of others' religious and sexual orientations? womens' rights?, the hypocracy of certain conservative strains of Christianity? BRUUUUUUUCE!

[Edited 11/21/17 20:55pm]

GREAT response, PRH!

Thanks and I do see your point--Prince had some questionable conservative beliefs at times and could say things that made me question his tolerance of others..(but then he would seem to contradict those notions in other interviews.). But the man was always changing and his beliefs were super idiosyncratic /outside the box. Above all, at the end of his life, he really seemed to hate racism (understandably). So I believe had he come out of his bubble a bit more he might have become even more of a positive voice. (agreeing to appear at the White House when Obama was prez was not just a gig--its not like Prince needed the money..) I do think Prince seemed like a man torn between a religious belief that mankind was not fit to rule and a belief that the people should have a voice. I find it fascinating that he once said that he hooked up with Van so he could learn about politics as an extension of his bible studies. Maybe he was trying to find a way to reconcile the two things. Obviously, man is not entirely fit to rule (we are too human and flawed) but unless an omniscient, benign being comes down to earth to do it for us, we are the best we got so we might as well make the best of it...hopefully, that's what Prince was realizing. My opinion is that people who are weary of government should stop acting like it is "us" against them and being complacent. If they don't want to vote, fine, but I think they should be activists for their beliefs and sway the beliefs of the folks in power. Despite politicans's party affliations, if the governement is structured correctly and the people are informed and involved enough at least at the grass roots level, politicans will bend and perhaps facilitate in what the people need. I hope he realized that at the end. I can hope. The line quoted below from "Fix ur Life up" was encouraging... (BTW< I am a moderate liberal who sees the necessity of government but still also believes what kennedy said that its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" All major progressive or social movements begin at the grassroots level and they are even more successful when people of money and success (especially from certain subcultures) llke Prince throw their money and influence behind those movements. ) Prince didn't throw his money into anti-abortion causes or the CHristian right, he threw it into the Black Lives Matter movement, inner city music programs, children's causes and solar panels on people's homes, I think that says something about him.

When the leaders learn how to follow
And then all the people lead

And instead of getting what they want

they can get what they need

NOt to get too political, but I think there should be a third house of the legislative branch that involves citizens voting to accept or veto congressional acts and laws. The people could register on an online site (each one devoted to an act or law). The citizen would have to answer questions thrown in the middle of the act (to prove they are actually reading it or listeing to it being read on the site if they are illiterate) and then they could vote yay or nay..(Of course, they would have to prove they are who they say they are and citizens of the country.) The final vote will be what the majority votes for or against. Something like that might be logistically impossible, but maybe if the average citizen felt they had a bit of a more direct say, they might take the time to become truely informed and involved. Veto power should be taken away from the president and given to the people. (maybe then, the leaders will learn how to follow and people will learn to look after what they need rather than what they want) Also, get rid of Super Pacs, the electoral college and life long terms for supreme court members and start having constitutional delegations every 15 years like James Madison suggested 200 years ago.

Sorry, mods...no more politics. I promise. sorry so long winded.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

I think he could have been a moderate voice against the uber right (remember even Mormons were anti-Trump). He wasn't spouting the conspiracy theories quite as much. He had his moments of bitterness in the past where Jews in power were concerned but I don't think he was an ANTI-semite (with a capital A) and he seemd to be over that shit towards the end (friendship with BobbyZ was seemingly stronger, no more songs like Family Name [in which he compared black suffering to Jewish suffering], homosexuality? (Damn, he's all over the place on that one, but was staying neutral at the end of his life [stating he would not express an opinion one way or the other] and according to Wendy wanted to be called "Uncle PRincey" by her child who had been delivered by her wife, I was also surprised that in 2011 Shelby {probably with Prince's permission}invited gay photographer Mike Ruiz (who at least four times had photo shoots with Prince} up on stage with his lover (and the couple actually kissed on stage) and P still worked with him again.), he was tolerant of Islam and against the Iraq war, he had his moments of sexism in 2001 but seemed to be more encouraging of women succeeding on their own terms towards the end of his life (people like Janelle Monae calling him a feminist, and encouraging statements about female presidents in one of his later interviews, the non-sexualizing of 3rdEye Girl and 'proteges" and mentorees who wrote their own lyrics/music and had their own style (unlike Carmen electra and mayte). He also, according to KIm B and even Bria Valente (who talked privately to some commentator at a Prince conference) was veering away from strict adherence to JW's. The dude believed in chakras at the end of his life which of course doesn't quite align with JW's beliefs.

Anyhow, Prince had varying and changing views. At the end of his life, he supported Black LIves Matter and talked about removing guns in the Baltimore song. Still no fan of government and still religious, but certainly not going to support a racist like trump. One good thing about trump is that he has united many people (of varying political persuasions) in opposition to him. Van JOnes and Afshin Shahidi both believe Prince would have been a voice for working together (which really is how one opposes trump.)

[Edited 11/21/17 20:55pm]

GREAT response, PRH!

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[Edited 11/21/17 22:17pm]

Good to see muleFunk being his old self after watching all those murder detective dramas

whether it be Columbo, Ironside, Perry Mason, Murder She Wrote, Petrocelli...

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

Makes good sense until you realize that the evidence also shows a man who had pills in halves and fourths in those bottles. That's not a sign of someone who was getting high or even adddicted.

Mix in that with the 59 pills in the Bayer anad Alleve bottles were so highlt laced with Fentanyl that whomever touched them would have been poisoned by those pills.

When the M.E. opened him up and discovered the toxicology report of his body it sent them back to P.P. to look for more evidence of where they came from and THEY CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE.

This was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION made to look like the typical rock star OD.

Would you make up your mind? 2 weeks ago you said you had it from a good source that he had leukemia.

Now you are saying it was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION. Didn't you also say you were writing a book, or something of the like?

What are you up to?

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

Makes good sense until you realize that the evidence also shows a man who had pills in halves and fourths in those bottles. That's not a sign of someone who was getting high or even adddicted.

Mix in that with the 59 pills in the Bayer anad Alleve bottles were so highlt laced with Fentanyl that whomever touched them would have been poisoned by those pills.

When the M.E. opened him up and discovered the toxicology report of his body it sent them back to P.P. to look for more evidence of where they came from and THEY CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE.

This was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION made to look like the typical rock star OD.

Would you make up your mind? 2 weeks ago you said you had it from a good source that he had leukemia. Now you are saying it was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION. Didn't you also say you were writing a book, or something of the like?

What are you up to?

That was what family/friends were saying which explains the hip.

Those Vicodin pills are what killed him.

Book is being written.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Good to see muleFunk being his old self after watching all those murder detective dramas

whether it be Columbo, Ironside, Perry Mason, Murder She Wrote, Petrocelli...

20 years in the business makes you think different.

purplerabbithole said:

So, Prince probably died of an accidental overdose of fentanyl in mislabeled pills he somehow procured on the street from heartless dealers passing them off as the same pills sold at pharmacies. Kind of what they have been saying all along. Of course, that doesn't explain why Prince went the route he did, why and how and by whom this desperate behavior was facilitated, why was alone the night of his death even though the same people attempted to save his life a few nights eaerlier, and why his pain (whatever form it was in) continued even after the hip surgery in 2010 and his apparent recovery in 2011

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This just in from Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpos...017/11/19/

Massive story about scope of counterfeit opiod pills...important info...

In order, bolded:

1. Prince would have been able to procure anything he wanted but prescriptions and schedule 2 drugs are, surpisingly (or maybe not), harder to procure than "street drugs". See: the heroin epipemic. Likely, he was a victim of the recent changes the DEA made and the oversight on these meds that prevented even him from obtainging them through legal channels. See also, pain med scrips in his friends' names.

2. Prince "went the route" he did by accident and likely developed a dependency over time and his addiciton, while low on the "debilatating drooling idiot needle in the arm" scale, was enough to make him NEED the medicine. Shit, the pain alone probably made him need it. I doubt he "chose" addiction or death. It simply happened, as addiciton usually does.

3. He was alone on the night of his death most likely becasue he said he wanted to be left alone. If you were in Prince's employment, you did what he said. He was the boss and he was in control. If you didn't realize that and adhere to it, you were fired. See: getting canned for smoking weed or cigarettes, fined for cursing, let go for talking to the press, non disclosure agreements, getting bitched out for wearing teh wrong clothes, etc. This is all well documented

4. Back/hip/spine surgery is 50/50. At BEST. Lots of nerves there and doctors do not understand the CNS and most especially the back and the lower spine. I know several people who have had surgery who acheived jack shit in the way of pain relief. Some of them even got worse.

"It was my job" is not a good enough excuse for everything. Either KJ was a friend who did his best to help P (and made mistakes) or he was a 30 year enabler and possibly a carrier of drugs for P. I would really prefer he wasn't the latter. Hell, maybe P fired him that night rendering KJ incapable of helping him (short of going to the police.)

herb4 said:

purplerabbithole said:

So, Prince probably died of an accidental overdose of fentanyl in mislabeled pills he somehow procured on the street from heartless dealers passing them off as the same pills sold at pharmacies. Kind of what they have been saying all along. Of course, that doesn't explain why Prince went the route he did, why and how and by whom this desperate behavior was facilitated, why was alone the night of his death even though the same people attempted to save his life a few nights eaerlier, and why his pain (whatever form it was in) continued even after the hip surgery in 2010 and his apparent recovery in 2011

In order, bolded:

1. Prince would have been able to procure anything he wanted but prescriptions and schedule 2 drugs are, surpisingly (or maybe not), harder to procure than "street drugs". See: the heroin epipemic. Likely, he was a victim of the recent changes the DEA made and the oversight on these meds that prevented even him from obtainging them through legal channels. See also, pain med scrips in his friends' names.

2. Prince "went the route" he did by accident and likely developed a dependency over time and his addiciton, while low on the "debilatating drooling idiot needle in the arm" scale, was enough to make him NEED the medicine. Shit, the pain alone probably made him need it. I doubt he "chose" addiction or death. It simply happened, as addiciton usually does.

3. He was alone on the night of his death most likely becasue he said he wanted to be left alone. If you were in Prince's employment, you did what he said. He was the boss and he was in control. If you didn't realize that and adhere to it, you were fired. See: getting canned for smoking weed or cigarettes, fined for cursing, let go for talking to the press, non disclosure agreements, getting bitched out for wearing teh wrong clothes, etc. This is all well documented

4. Back/hip/spine surgery is 50/50. At BEST. Lots of nerves there and doctors do not understand the CNS and most especially the back and the lower spine. I know several people who have had surgery who acheived jack shit in the way of pain relief. Some of them even got worse.

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muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Good to see muleFunk being his old self after watching all those murder detective dramas

whether it be Columbo, Ironside, Perry Mason, Murder She Wrote, Petrocelli...

20 years in the business makes you think different.

There's a Mule Funk business?

The Dr put Kirk's name on the script. That leads me to believe that he was an enabler.

purplerabbithole said:

"It was my job" is not a good enough excuse for everything. Either KJ was a friend who did his best to help P (and made mistakes) or he was a 30 year enabler and possibly a carrier of drugs for P. I would really prefer he wasn't the latter. Hell, maybe P fired him that night rendering KJ incapable of helping him (short of going to the police.)

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

20 years in the business makes you think different.

There's a Mule Funk business?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

20 years in the business makes you think different.

There's a Mule Funk business?

You didn't know?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

ALSO who would have been a possible musical voice against the uber Right Wing that has developed in America right now other than Prince?

Michael was dead.

[Edited 11/21/17 19:39pm]

Because Prince was known for being so tolerant of others' religious and sexual orientations? womens' rights?, the hypocracy of certain conservative strains of Christianity? BRUUUUUUUCE!

NO.

PRINCE was a CHAMPION for BLACK PEOPLE who are a sworn enemy of the Trump/Right wing in America.

That's the one you forgot.

muleFunk said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Because Prince was known for being so tolerant of others' religious and sexual orientations? womens' rights?, the hypocracy of certain conservative strains of Christianity? BRUUUUUUUCE!

NO.

PRINCE was a CHAMPION for BLACK PEOPLE who are a sworn enemy of the Trump/Right wing in America.

That's the one you forgot.

I haven't forgotten for one minute the color of most of the women he was with and how that made the Black women he was such a 'big champion' of feel...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

NO.

PRINCE was a CHAMPION for BLACK PEOPLE who are a sworn enemy of the Trump/Right wing in America.

That's the one you forgot.

I haven't forgotten for one minute the color of most of the women he was with and how that made the Black women he was such a 'big champion' of feel...

Well, AFASIK Prince dated not one black woman. Of course he dated mixed race women, but mixed race can mean anything. Susan Moonsie was half black, half asian and of course she was a babe.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

NO.

PRINCE was a CHAMPION for BLACK PEOPLE who are a sworn enemy of the Trump/Right wing in America.

That's the one you forgot.

I haven't forgotten for one minute the color of most of the women he was with and how that made the Black women he was such a 'big champion' of feel...

Is that why you are here?

muleFunk said:

Is that why you are here?

Yes, this one has always had a certain vindictiveness hovering about itself. Very noticeable by many of us here and certainly more than questionable as a so-called fan of Prince.

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Mumio said:

muleFunk said:

Is that why you are here?

Yes, this one has always had a certain vindictiveness hovering about itself. Very noticeable by many of us here and certainly more than questionable as a so-called fan of Prince.

[Edited 11/24/17 19:10pm]

Oh my....Bodhi is so very mean, please mod, make this poster stop. I will keep reporting and reporting until this poster is removed from the site.

Come on Mumio we all have our own opinions we don't have to always agree....but I still Love You.

muleFunk said:

Makes good sense until you realize that the evidence also shows a man who had pills in halves and fourths in those bottles. That's not a sign of someone who was getting high or even adddicted.

Mix in that with the 59 pills in the Bayer anad Alleve bottles were so highlt laced with Fentanyl that whomever touched them would have been poisoned by those pills.

When the M.E. opened him up and discovered the toxicology report of his body it sent them back to P.P. to look for more evidence of where they came from and THEY CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE.

This was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION made to look like the typical rock star OD.

You have officially gone off the deep end.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Yes, this one has always had a certain vindictiveness hovering about itself. Very noticeable by many of us here and certainly more than questionable as a so-called fan of Prince.

[Edited 11/24/17 19:10pm]

Oh my....Bodhi is so very mean, please mod, make this poster stop. I will keep reporting and reporting until this poster is removed from the site.

Come on Mumio we all have our own opinions we don't have to always agree....but I still Love You.

Now Penny, we are gonna agree to disagree about this one, love me or not Not gonna stand by and just watch those who are here only to throw shade and talk shit about Prince while pretending to be a fan.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh my....Bodhi is so very mean, please mod, make this poster stop. I will keep reporting and reporting until this poster is removed from the site.

Come on Mumio we all have our own opinions we don't have to always agree....but I still Love You.

Now Penny, we are gonna agree to disagree about this one, love me or not Not gonna stand by and just watch those who are here only to throw shade and talk shit about Prince while pretending to be a fan.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, cuz you have it totally wrong.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Now Penny, we are gonna agree to disagree about this one, love me or not Not gonna stand by and just watch those who are here only to throw shade and talk shit about Prince while pretending to be a fan.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, cuz you have it totally wrong.

This isn't guesswork nor wishful thinking, the words give it all away. We don't have to agree about this, I'm pretty clear about what I see, unlike some others apparently

I am sad if black women felt that way. But Prince dating women who look like himself and/or his mother is not necessarily indicative of racism (it could just be instrinctive and Freudian.) . I am not saying all of his girlfriends resembled his and/or his mother's light-skinned looks, but many of them did.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

NO.

PRINCE was a CHAMPION for BLACK PEOPLE who are a sworn enemy of the Trump/Right wing in America.

That's the one you forgot.

I haven't forgotten for one minute the color of most of the women he was with and how that made the Black women he was such a 'big champion' of feel...

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[Edited 11/24/17 22:46pm]