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Prince & his Madhouse 8 ~ 1987

recorded @ Madhouse Studios in Pittsburgh PA

Austra Chanel Billy Lewis John Nelson Eric Leeds

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Hard Life misdirected film by Prince

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Sign O the Time movie concert

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Sign O the Time era ~ 1987

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the Camille era[aborted] ~1987

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the Black Album era[aborted] ~1988

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Reply #1 posted 10/17/17 6:53am

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Those are the official credits, but not a real indication of input? In reality it was just Prince and Leeds.
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paulludvig said:

Those are the official credits, but not a real indication of input? In reality it was just Prince and Leeds.

This is like any of the era threads I've done, I'm just listing everyone involved whether on the album, the live band, videos, photography etc

But Austra Chanel Billy Lewis John Nelson & Eric Leeds were pushed as the band

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Those are the official credits, but not a real indication of input? In reality it was just Prince and Leeds.


This is like any of the era threads I've done, I'm just listing everyone involved whether on the album, the live band, videos, photography etc



But Austra Chanel Billy Lewis John Nelson & Eric Leeds were pushed as the band


Austra Channel was Prince, if I'm not mistaken.
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OldFriends4Sale said:

This is like any of the era threads I've done, I'm just listing everyone involved whether on the album, the live band, videos, photography etc

But Austra Chanel Billy Lewis John Nelson & Eric Leeds were pushed as the band

Austra Channel was Prince, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, I believe that was his alias 4 Madhouse lol Prince Prince Prince

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ONE
TWO
THREE
FOUR
FIVE
SIX
SEVEN
EIGHT

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released 1.21.1987

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Very happy i've seen them live. Opening for SOTT. bought the album very soon after that.

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You know what always anoyed me about both albums? lol

On the albums the track titles are alphabetically spelled out

Example "Six" "Thirteen"

But on the Singles the titles are Numeral

"6" "13"

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Great album...not jazz or funk but pure Prince. Some of his best drum work and the cover is so sexy...Maneca Lightner.
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Misdirected film by Prince

Madhouse
John Nelson
Cat (Glover)
Jill Jones

Gregory

Wally

Dr Finks Mother

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Amazing that Six was a small hit. Loved the 6 1/2 b-side.

8 > 16 for sure

Might have to put this one on right now.

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Dale Alexander(drums) Dr Fink(keyboards) Eric Leads(sax/flute) Levi Seacer jr(bass)

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released 1.21.1987

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I had that cassette!!! I'd found it buried in a second hand record store in Paris in Spring 1992! God, those were the days... I'd spend entire afternoon searching record stores for rare Prince-related stuff!

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The story Leeds tells on PodcastJuice on how Prince got him out of bed in the middle of the night to come back to his house and play on Six is hilarious biggrin

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Prince and reed man Eric Leeds teamed up to create two albums under the moniker Madhouse

Madhouse, for the relatively few paying attention, was one of those riddles wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

by Miles Marshall Lewis

Madhouse, for the relatively few paying attention, was one of those riddles wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma that Churchill talked about. Every piece of the group’s cover art—two albums, three singles—featured only twenty-one-year-old Maneca Lightner, credited as the “Madhouse cover girl,” dressed in sexy polka-dotted outfits with a Yorkshire terrier. Lightner, it so happens, was dating Prince casually at the time. Warner Bros. Records released the band’s first album, 8, through Prince’s Paisley Park Records label on January 21, 1987, and the album credits made no mention of the band members. Those same credits claimed that 8 was recorded at Madhouse Studios in Pittsburgh, a studio that doesn’t exist.

The riddle-mystery-enigma went even deeper. Minnesota’s Star Tribune reviewed 8 the day after its release and presented Madhouse as the brainchild of Atlanta keyboardist Austra Chanel. The group, according to an official bio from publicist Howard Bloom, consisted of Chanel, drummer John Lewis, bassist Bill Lewis, and Eric Leeds. As you might gather by now, neither Chanel nor the Lewis brothers existed either, but nationwide newspapers and magazines began echoing the misinformation.

Warner Bros. delivered Madhouse’s 16 album on November 18, just ten months after 8, with bass player Levi Seacer Jr. and keyboardist Matt Fink added to the lineup, real-life musicians from Prince’s recent touring band for his Sign o’ the Times album. Stranger still, that two-month European tour featured Madhouse as the opening act with a slightly different lineup, essentially the 16 assemblage but with longtime Prince associate Dale Alexander on drums.

Prince was already infamous for this kind of playful deception. By 1987, he was notorious for writing effortless hit singles for others using flimsy pseudonyms. Nobody believed Christopher (of the Bangles’ “Manic Monday”) or Alexander Nevermind (Sheena Easton’s “Sugar Walls”) composed anything. Beginning with the Time and continuing with Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, Sheila E., the Family, and Jill Jones, Prince was also legendary for writing and playing most everything on his protégés’ records. Madhouse marked the last time in Prince’s career that he ever would. (Subsequent Paisley Park acts—the Three O’Clock, Dale Bozzio, Tony LeMans, Taja Sevelle, Good Question, Carmen Electra—were, for better or worse, largely left to their own devices.) Never again would Prince go to such absurd lengths to pretend he had nothing to do with an act he wrote and played almost everything for.

Fans collect near the soundboard of Le Réservoir after the show, where Rad stands behind a table posing for photos, selling CDs, and autographing them. To the side is Eric Leeds, with his own display of solo albums: his début Times Squared, Things Left Unsaid, Now & Again. No Madhouse.

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• • •

Detail of "Madhouse 8" back cover with Maneca Lightner, Prince’s then girlfriend, photographed by Richard Litt.<img class="size-full wp-image-25783 " title="Madhouse 8 detail" src="http://www.waxpoetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Spread-Madhouse-final.jpg" alt="Detail of "Madhouse 8" back cover with Maneca Lightner, Prince’s then girlfriend, photographed by Richard Litt." width="620" height="460" srcset="http://www.waxpoetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Spread-Madhouse-final.jpg 620w, http://www.waxpoetics.com...00x223.jpg 300w, http://www.waxpoetics.com...18x162.jpg 218w" sizes="(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px" />

Detail of “Madhouse 8” back cover with Maneca Lightner, Prince’s then girlfriend, photographed by Richard Litt.

• • •

“I remember it started with him calling me one afternoon and asking if I would like to come over to his house and ‘play some jazz,’ ” Eric Leeds remembers, reflecting on that fateful Friday. “I think he said his father was there also, though by the time I got there, his father had left. Prince had some tracks already recorded. We sat at the piano and worked out the melody lines, which were mostly his, and the harmonic changes for the solos. Then we went in the studio, and I started playing. We recorded the entire album over the course of three days.”

Done from September 28 to October 1, 1986, at the basement studio of Prince’s ranch-style mansion in suburban Chanhassen, Minnesota, Madhouse’s 8 was in stores by January ’87. Eight instrumental tunes—entitled “One,” “Two,” “Three,” etc.—made up the thirty-eight-minute album. Portuguese eye candy Maneca Lightner adorned the sleeve wearing a two-piece, 1950s-style polka-dotted swimsuit with a red wide-brim sun hat. Picture the buxom Lightner on a beach, hand on her hip, between a sandcastle and a Yorkie begging on its hind legs for the red ball in her other hand. On the jacket’s flipside, she lifts her doggie for a kiss. They saved the back shot (you knew there’d be one) for the single, “Six,” Miss Lightner standing on the sand with her booty facing photographer Richard Litt’s camera.

“I honestly don’t remember, because that was my first time in L.A.,” Lightner says now from Los Angeles, trying to remember the location of the shoot. “Most beach areas look alike, and I’m sure they told me back then, but I can’t be certain. If I had to guess, I would have to say somewhere in Malibu, but I’m simply not sure.” Richard Litt confirms: “The first shooting was in Malibu, and the following day, I shot in a studio in downtown Los Angeles. The dog was rented from an agency.”

Imagine the surprise Prince’s demo tape stirred up for Warner Bros. execs in the ’70s when they realized the teen wonder was rocking every instrument Stevie Wonder style. 8 carries the same shock. Jazz, even the fusion derivative of the mid-’80s, is rooted in improvisation. Jazzman Prince layering his piano and keyboards on top of his own bass, on top of his own drums, continuously reacting to himself as a stranger from a musician’s point of view, is Prince earning his musical genius reputation.

“I did all the sax and flute, and Prince played everything else,” Eric Leeds confirms. “Much has been said about his insistence on not letting it be known that he was involved with the project. His motives are his own, but as I remember it, he wanted the music to be related to on its own merits, and perhaps was concerned that if it was released as a ‘Prince jazz album,’ it would draw more attention to the idea that Prince would play jazz than to the value of the music itself.

“The jazz community can be pretty brutal in its regard for the idea that a pop musician would have the arrogance to consider himself a jazz musician. By the ‘jazz community,’ I mean the writers and critics. Ironically, many jazz musicians that I know really dug the album and were convinced that Prince was behind it from the very start.”

Saxophonist James Carter, cause of the greatest buzz in modern jazz since the début of Pulitzer-winning trumpeter Wynton Marsalis, remembers 8 fondly. “Man, Madhouse brings back memories of a high school talent show in which we performed ‘Six’ as an instrumental,” says Carter, recalling his Northwestern High days in Detroit. “I always dug Eric Leeds’s sparse baritone sax work throughout the piece. Prince lays down one of the funkiest grooves in D minor; Eric jabs like a boxer.”

You could visit certain hipsters in 1965 and be guaranteed to find John Coltrane’s A Love Supreme in their living rooms. Fast-forward to ’73 and we’re talking Head Hunters by Herbie Hancock. Aside from being landmark albums in jazz, the records were badges of cool for their time (and even now), tchotchkes that revealed as much about the buyers’ sophistication as their tastes in music. Believe it or not, 8 became one of those records in 1987.

The album 8 didn’t even go gold (marking 500,000 copies in sales). Anyone owning a copy in the late ’80s was either 1. a Paisley Park fanatic, or 2. a young somebody searching for an entrée into contemporary jazz, introduced to Madhouse by a diehard Prince lover. Even now, mere mention of Madhouse’s 8 works as a password into a Skull and Bones–like secret society, separating true Prince followers from the wannabes.

For a jazz album without any vocals, 8 is a vividly describable record. For starters, Prince is a sexy beast on the drums. These aren’t his trusty LinnDrum beats; these are all-the-way-live crash and splash cymbals, toms, bass, snare, and hi-hat drums. But it’s the little idiosyncrasies that turn 8 into a charming, descriptive record. The Beatleseque quirks in his music were always equally as responsible for Prince’s cult following as the music itself: backwards guitar solos, hidden messages revealed by spinning the vinyl counterclockwise, self-referential in-jokes. 8 contains enough of these eccentricities to keep things patently Prince.

“Two,” for instance, is a mid-tempo number (no pun intended) that slowly builds up to a climactic keyboard solo at the end. But the entire song runs over a comical conversation you can never quite hear clearly. “My theory behind playing the saxophone is very easy,” someone says at the beginning. “Blow in one end.” Later on, the same joker questions, “Can I get sued for plagiarism? Everybody shut up and listen to me. Where’s the melody?” You have to strain to hear punch lines like, “That’s why I get paid by the note,” until the tune ends gently with the delayed tsss of a cymbal. What the hell were they talking about? We’ll never know.

A series of eleven phone-conversation samples runs through “Five.” Prince starts a leisurely funky drum pattern that builds in speed and gets measured out by drum-machine handclaps. Meanwhile, snatches of “Five Star Restaurant, can I help you?,” “Hi, Mom, this is Jimbo,” and “How ya doin’, sexy?” keep floating by, sometimes accelerated Kanye West–style, sometimes slowed to a drawl. In less than two minutes, the drums hurtle to a climax and the song finishes with the loud voice of an irate dad: “Hello, son, what took you so long to call?”

Then there’s the orgasm. “Six” segues into “Seven” with some unaccredited ecstasy from Vanity, a snippet from the unreleased, heavily bootlegged Vanity 6 gem, “Vibrator.” Loading her body massager full of (ten!) fresh batteries, Vanity pleasures herself for nearly two minutes at the song’s close; Prince cuts and pastes some of her peaking at the end of 8’s “Four,” and as the transition from “Six” into “Seven.” (He used it again years later for the Come track, “Orgasm.”)

“Eight” begins with the repetitive, electronically altered voice of Prince saying what sounds like “hum” over soothing synthesizer atmospherics and flute from Eric Leeds. The title track builds for about eight minutes with saxophone and keyboard solos, until finally ending with two minutes of calm, Brian Eno–like ambient chords. Prince later lifted the closing emotional tones of “Eight” for the introduction to “U Got the Look” that December. Warner Bros. released Sign o’ the Times two months after 8, making the “U Got the Look” opening recognizable right away to ardent fans, another of his in-the-know nudge-winks.

• • •

“So 8 had been released; they had hired the band to tour,” says keyboardist Matt Fink, via his home in Minneapolis. “They had a keyboard player by the name of Billy Carruthers, a wildly talented jazz keyboardist. And maybe three weeks before the tour was supposed to launch, he made the decision—I don’t know why—to not be in the group. They were gonna cancel Madhouse being a warm-up act at that point. So I spoke to Eric and said, ‘Well, what do you guys think if I were to step in? Do you think that would work for you?’ ”

Madhouse’s 8 peaked on Billboard’s Black Albums Chart at number twenty-five, and the band—that is, the “band”—was slated to open for Prince on the Sign ’o’ the Times tour kicking off May 8 in Stockholm. Eric Leeds handled several magazine and radio interviews perpetrating the membership of Madhouse as some old acquaintances from Atlanta: pianist Austra Chanel, bass player Bill Lewis, and drummer John Lewis. But Prince charged Leeds with formulating a real Madhouse to support his European tour after 8 scored some commercial success. So the saxist put together Billy Carruthers, bassist Levi Seacer Jr., and drummer H. B. Bennett as the true Madhouse. Two weeks into rehearsals, half the band needed replacing.

“We [then] formed a working Madhouse group of myself, Matt Fink, Levi Seacer, and Dale Alexander on drums, an old friend of Prince’s,” Leeds recalls. Minneapolis drummer Dale Alexander’s funkier beats proved a better fit for Madhouse than the jazzier approach of Bennett, a member of Leeds’s old Takin’ Names outfit from Pittsburgh.

“Madhouse was the opening act on the tour, and we also played several club dates in Europe,” Leeds says. “As we continued to work as a group that summer; we added new material to the book. ‘Sixteen’ was one of them, composed primarily by Prince and myself.” From early May to late June 1987, Madhouse typically opened the Sign o’ the Times tour with “Two,” Three,” and “Six,” and “Mutiny” by the Family. The quartet, shrouded in black hooded robes, occasionally added “One” to its brief set list, along with “Nine,” “Eleven,” and the manically energetic “Sixteen.”

“They used to get a volunteer female from the audience to walk onstage before the show and hold up the numbers to the songs, like in the rounds of a boxing match,” Matt Fink says. “She’d walk out in skimpy clothes—shorts, high heels, and a tight shirt—and cross the front of the stage, hold[ing] the number one, the number five. It was very cute.”

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Initial tracking took place on 28 September 1986 at Prince's Galpin Blvd Home Studio, Chanhassen, MN, USA (recorded in sequence between Baby Doll House and Two, the day before Three, Four and Five), although it is credited as being recorded at "Madhouse Studios", Pittsburgh, PA, USA (a fictional studio). It is likely that the title was assigned only after the final sequence had been arranged for the album.

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Probably my favorite P side project album, 1 o my favorite albums period. It just flows so perfectly. Heard it ever since n I can throw this on right now n still b jammin smile. The transition from Seven into Eight n Eight's beginning made me cry when I first heard it n is probably the dopest thing ever lol. Eight's gotta b the most beautiful (yet somehow still funky) thing he's put 2 wax. Ashamed 2 say I don't own this on cd (when I hit the lottery loser), but it will always have a place (on my devices) n in my heart heart smile. Also, Maneca Lightner is fine n the cover(s) n whole concept was very awesome cool.

The icing on the fucking cake.
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Even dig the Hard Life movie for what it was cuz it's what got me into the Madhouse joints hearing the jams in it smile.

The icing on the fucking cake.
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Awsesome thread as usual, OldFriends.

I just listened to a podcast on this album by Grown Folks Music. Highly recommended:

https://soundcloud.com/gr...-8-podcast

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Awsesome thread as usual, OldFriends.

I just listened to a podcast on this album by Grown Folks Music. Highly recommended:

https://soundcloud.com/gr...-8-podcast

wildsign thanks, and thanks 4 sharing this, I'm going to have a listen a few hours

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Even dig the Hard Life movie for what it was cuz it's what got me into the Madhouse joints hearing the jams in it smile.

I actually enjoy the Hard Life movie too, it just gives another example of what more could have been done if Madhouse had a full on promotion.

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June 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 1987

6.20.1987 @ Stadion de Galgenwaad Utretched, Holland

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1. Mutiny

2. Two

3. Three

4. Six

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I always find it surprising that 8 seems to get much, MUCH more love than 16. It's almost as if 16 had never happened eek

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databank said:

I always find it surprising that 8 seems to get much, MUCH more love than 16. It's almost as if 16 had never happened eek

Just maybe because 8 had more promo? Madhouse (8) opened for the SOTT tour, videos and a few talk show appearances?

I think I like 16 better though.

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Reply #29 posted 11/15/17 2:47pm

monkeytennis

I always thought the song ‘Camilla’ by Art of Noise was in a similar vein as Madhouse 8.

I wonder if Prince had heard the Art Of Noise album In Visible Silence (1986), and if this is the ‘Plagiarism’ that was mentioned.

And obviously the name ‘Camilla’ is kinda like Camille.
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