PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you have to go so bleak? Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

it's dissapointing losing the man in that way is all I can say. I became a musician (failed I should say) because of him and to see him with all the accomplishment and success still somehow lose like that, it's a pretty hopeless feeling for me. In fact, i thought of quitting completely after he died, didn't practice for a good while. Took a whole lot out of me. I've asked myself if i'd have felt that way if he'd died in a car crash or something, i don't think it would feel like this. The guy holding up the torch and leading me jumped off a cliff with the flame. That's how it feels.

Sheila said he was in pain as long as she's known him. there is no way you can jump 20 feet in 5 inch heels onto a hard floor without tearing something no matter how young you are. It's a matter of physics. I've torn ligaments in my 20's from playing sports they took forever to heal. knowing Prince whether or not he was injured the show must go on. when you keep injuring the same thing over and over it builds scar tissue

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said: He would not have had to swallow them, as potent as they were, if they dissolved in his mouth, he could have easily absorbed enough fentanyl sublingually to die...

This stuff can be absorded thru your skin. He was given a drug to help with vomiting and was not eating solid food per the chefs. So I doubt he was gobbling anything down that was solid and not vomiting for all we know he could have been having the dry heaves.

People I have come to the conclusion that Prince was poisoned for months prior to his death and that he was either taking something or given something surreptitously that WAS NOT what he or people around him thought it was.

The smoking gun is the Fentanyl. It wasn't in his system prior to April 21.

The pills found even under Johnson's name were not a gianormous amount like what the media portrayed it to be and they were all percocet until you get to the two over the counter bottles with the counterfeit pills.

Many of his family and associates have reached out and asked me about this and agree.

I don't believe that he committed suicide and I don't believe he faked his own death.

I have a hard enough time trying to wrap my head around the fact that he was intentionally killed.

However after reaching out to my friends in the medical profession and to my classmates in law enforcement the levels found in his system are 200 times higher than normal Fentanyl OD deaths.

That's why the DEA went into PP. They had never seen those levels before and wanted to know where they came from.

Then I started reseaching the covert use of Fentanyl and discovered it was used in political assassinations for at least 50 years. Before the medicinal use of Fentanyl became widespread people who were assassinated by this method was assumed to have died via heart failure.

be nice not to have to wait until 20whatever to find out more about it. Prince had a pretty high profile so i do not think it'll just be forgotten. One of my main boxing heroes, hector camacho was killed, likely accidentally in a drug deal gone bad but him being an old boxer, that ranks pretty low on people's priority list, no one was ever brought to justice, never and it looks like it's just been completely forgotten about. That won't happen with Prince.

muleFunk said:

God, this is the problem with associates/family etc trying to 'protect' his privacy, it leads inevitably to conspiracy theories. I actually hate most conspiracy theories but the lack of closure or justice on this death really pisses me off. Its made me what I hate--a conspiracy theorist. Wouldn't it be ironic that this lover of conspiracy theories intentionally created ones of his own by offing himself in such a weird way.

Maybe, his associates (Meron, Kirk etc) are not at all to blame. The drugs in kirk's name were mild and there weren't a ton of them compared to what killed him. Upon further contemplation, I stopped assuming that KJ was his supplier or enabler to the extent I originally thought because Kirk is probably a sensible enough man to know that if he is scoping out illegal, highly dangerous drugs for Prince, he should probably not leave a paper trail to himself or leave the pills lying about so the cops could find them. Maybe KJ was baffled by P's behavior but thought he had time to work on the problem, figured the close call on the plane was enough to scare P, went home and the next day found him dead--completely shocked that the problem escalated to that degree. Yes, I know Kirk was a constant figure in P's life. But P probably kept him busy doing a thousand things (and KJ probably has other interests and a family) . He probably knew Prince had a drug habit that was a concern but might not have known the degree or extent to which he would go to get those drugs.

I don't think Prince got the pills himself on the street or ordered them via the dark web. The dude couldn't even retweet correctly. So, how did he get the drugs? Did the dude on the Daily Mail tell the truth that P's been on a drug regiment since 1980's. It seems far-fetched but maybe its true to some degree. I recently re-read an article about his death from the NYTimes and they did state that despite his at-times many employees, P was still doing a lot of things independently. Is it possible one of P's hired hands (a housekeeper or maintaince man with a side job so to speak) was just a drug dealer getting him the pills he wanted (dropping them off in over the counter containers after his 'swift' was over)and he kept his few friends out of it. Also is it possible that when he overdosed the first time after admitting publically that he was going to write a memoir, that his dealer tainted his pills on purpose to avoid being exposed? If cops were smart, they would look into where P's money was going. The money trail.

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[Edited 9/23/17 7:28am]

I didn't say there were a ton of them. But damn, you could build a case for conspiracy in this case.

rogifan said:

Where are we seeing conspiracy theories besides a few crackpots on Facebook and maybe some posts here? I’ll admit I don’t spend any time on celebrity gossip website so maybe it’s all over there and I’m not seeing it.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I would assume that the autopsy included broad spectrum poison analysis in this case. If they had found a toxic chemical that was building up in his system for months why is this not a murder investigation? My opinion has been from the beginning that more than likely someone that would benefit from his death did this, but I think they would have found a long term poisoning scenario during the autopsy...what is your opinion on how he was being poisoned?

You are correct about the poison analysis.

I am of the opinion that Prince may have been getting meds that were synthetic in nature. U-47700 was found. I am of the opinion that someone switched the meds with these counterfeit drugs surreptitiously.

muleFunk said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I would assume that the autopsy included broad spectrum poison analysis in this case. If they had found a toxic chemical that was building up in his system for months why is this not a murder investigation? My opinion has been from the beginning that more than likely someone that would benefit from his death did this, but I think they would have found a long term poisoning scenario during the autopsy...what is your opinion on how he was being poisoned?

You are correct about the poison analysis.

I am of the opinion that Prince may have been getting meds that were synthetic in nature. U-47700 was found. I am of the opinion that someone switched the meds with these counterfeit drugs surreptitiously.

As unsettling as it is to internalize, at the end of the day, he died because he was addicted to drugs.

The who, what, where, when and why is incidental.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Drug addicts deserve justice too. I don't think it is incidental at all. Drug addicts aren't always doomed to die if the full extent of the harm/danger is apparent to themselves and/or others. Those folks buying oxycontin on the streets and then dying of overdoses due to unknown fentanyl components deserve justice. Yes, drugs by definition are dangerous and addicts are often criminals when they procure their drugs (in fact, Prince, for the first time in his life, had become a criminal..What does that say about his addiction?), but they are essentially victims of a disease (and now with this tainted counterfit pills thing, they are now victims of manslaughter.) Remember, when Chris Rock stated something about how drug dealers should not be called 'pushers' because druggies will find them without being pushed. Well, these dealers have become pushers/murderers by increasing the intensity of drugs without the addicts knowledge.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

You are correct about the poison analysis.

I am of the opinion that Prince may have been getting meds that were synthetic in nature. U-47700 was found. I am of the opinion that someone switched the meds with these counterfeit drugs surreptitiously.

As unsettling as it is to internalize, at the end of the day, he died because he was addicted to drugs.

The who, what, where, when and why is incidental.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

You are correct about the poison analysis.

I am of the opinion that Prince may have been getting meds that were synthetic in nature. U-47700 was found. I am of the opinion that someone switched the meds with these counterfeit drugs surreptitiously.

As unsettling as it is to internalize, at the end of the day, he died because he was addicted to drugs.

The who, what, where, when and why is incidental.

Strongly disagree.

The fact that he was using painkillers was not and is not an indication that he was addicted to those medicines.

muleFunk said:

muleFunk said:

Strongly disagree.

The fact that he was using painkillers was not and is not an indication that he was addicted to those medicines.

If he wasn't addicted, he wouldn't have been buying them off the street.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

muleFunk said:

Strongly disagree.

The fact that he was using painkillers was not and is not an indication that he was addicted to those medicines.

Why do you think he was buying them on the street rather than getting a prescription? he had to have know it would be indescribably safer to get them legally. It can not be because of anonymity, as I feel sure there are a ton of very famous people with pain med prescriptions that are not public knowledge. You do not think the fact that he was getting pills illegally is an indicator that he may have had some level of addiction?

You are saying he bought them on the street but there is no proof of that happening as well.

They supposedly found 5 bottles of percocet around the house but under Kirk Johnson's name. For the sake of arguement here if he had gotten prescriptions under Johnson's name he could have gotten more under some other employee's name.

If he's addicted there is no reason to score pills if you can get them from legal sources.

He had two bottles of these pills in over the counter bottles. We don't know how those pills got there.

He had no prescriptions under his name but a doctor was there the day before. He could have gotten a doctor to give him a prescription for Vicodin and they would have been legal and legit.

The mystery is in the pills and who got them for Prince because we know that Fentanyl didn't cause the plane incident.

muleFunk said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

muleFunk said: Why do you think he was buying them on the street rather than getting a prescription? he had to have know it would be indescribably safer to get them legally. It can not be because of anonymity, as I feel sure there are a ton of very famous people with pain med prescriptions that are not public knowledge. You do not think the fact that he was getting pills illegally is an indicator that he may have had some level of addiction?

You are saying he bought them on the street but there is no proof of that happening as well.

They supposedly found 5 bottles of percocet around the house but under Kirk Johnson's name. For the sake of arguement here if he had gotten prescriptions under Johnson's name he could have gotten more under some other employee's name.

If he's addicted there is no reason to score pills if you can get them from legal sources.

He had two bottles of these pills in over the counter bottles. We don't know how those pills got there.

He had no prescriptions under his name but a doctor was there the day before. He could have gotten a doctor to give him a prescription for Vicodin and they would have been legal and legit.

The mystery is in the pills and who got them for Prince because we know that Fentanyl didn't cause the plane incident.

Not true. Those pills are getting harder and harder to obtain. He probably couldn't get them anymore and had to resort to getting them off the streets.

Seriously, there were FIVE bottles of KJ percocet and only 2 bottles of the random street pills thrown into Aleve and Vitamin bottles?. really, why would he need the other pills? Considering that P took pills from bottles marked as over the counter, is it at all possible he actually thought he was taking Aleve and he was poisoned.

Or maybe the street drugs pre-dated the percocet. And in an attempt to wing himself off stronger stuff, he went to percocet but then he realized the percocet was not that effective (thus the reason he took too much on the plane). Maybe, the withdrawal that night had gotten so bad he sought out the old stronger pills (and he knew they had fentanyl but didn't know what he was doing and took some pills out of desperation.) Maybe, KJ was not aware P still (or ever) had the illegal ones.

muleFunk said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

muleFunk said: Why do you think he was buying them on the street rather than getting a prescription? he had to have know it would be indescribably safer to get them legally. It can not be because of anonymity, as I feel sure there are a ton of very famous people with pain med prescriptions that are not public knowledge. You do not think the fact that he was getting pills illegally is an indicator that he may have had some level of addiction?

You are saying he bought them on the street but there is no proof of that happening as well.

They supposedly found 5 bottles of percocet around the house but under Kirk Johnson's name. For the sake of arguement here if he had gotten prescriptions under Johnson's name he could have gotten more under some other employee's name.

If he's addicted there is no reason to score pills if you can get them from legal sources.

He had two bottles of these pills in over the counter bottles. We don't know how those pills got there.

He had no prescriptions under his name but a doctor was there the day before. He could have gotten a doctor to give him a prescription for Vicodin and they would have been legal and legit.

The mystery is in the pills and who got them for Prince because we know that Fentanyl didn't cause the plane incident.

Where did we get there were 5 bottles of Percocets?

PennyPurple said:

Where did we get there were 5 bottles of Percocets?

NOT TRUE.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to their own 'facts.'

purplerabbithole said:

Drug addicts deserve justice too. I don't think it is incidental at all. Drug addicts aren't always doomed to die if the full extent of the harm/danger is apparent to themselves and/or others. Those folks buying oxycontin on the streets and then dying of overdoses due to unknown fentanyl components deserve justice. Yes, drugs by definition are dangerous and addicts are often criminals when they procure their drugs (in fact, Prince, for the first time in his life, had become a criminal..What does that say about his addiction?), but they are essentially victims of a disease (and now with this tainted counterfit pills thing, they are now victims of manslaughter.) Remember, when Chris Rock stated something about how drug dealers should not be called 'pushers' because druggies will find them without being pushed. Well, these dealers have become pushers/murderers by increasing the intensity of drugs without the addicts knowledge.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

As unsettling as it is to internalize, at the end of the day, he died because he was addicted to drugs.

The who, what, where, when and why is incidental.

[Edited 9/23/17 10:14am]

increasing the amount to get more people hooked would seem a pushers business model, but to

increase the amounts that death would incur is not perhaps the best model for a pusher if they want

repeat business. i hear you and empathize and agree that others are accountable in addition but

sadly the other truths are glaring as well. i know we are all still healing, best.

purplerabbithole said:

Again.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Where did we get there were 5 bottles of Percocets?

NOT TRUE.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to their own 'facts.'

That's what I thought. I never seen where 5 bottles of Percocets were found.

Mumio said:

Again.

not gonna stop until people get more answers, i've been saying that. Some people don't know, don't want to know, ignorance is bliss and all of that but even more want to know. I think it was suicide and there is stigma to suicide, the murder theories are along the lines of murder theories of MJ (who just had a fuckup for a doc, so not really "murder") and many other public figures. Even in what you think would be clearcut cases, like Jimi Hendrix's death, you have the coroner coming out years later and claiming it was murder, just as the coroner for Marilyn Monroe tried to come out years later and say she was murdered, how do you get to the truth when you have flawed human beings who, as i've been saying forever, lie whenever it suits them? Elvis' fans rallied after his death when they tried to write it off as a heart attack, they never got all the answers but they did find out about his pill abuse which can now at least be assumed to have had something to do with it. It's strange, everyday people that i've known never die mysteriously, no conjecture or any of that but anyone in the public eye and all kinds of wierdness happens.

this morning i was watching an interview with neil tyson, he seems to get exasperated by people claiming supernatural things and just says "everyone has a phone, just video it, then show me" as he pointed to the need for real facts before drawing conclusions. I do not agree with him completely, but, I do understand his frustration for people who just run off at the mouth and don't give him proof.

muleFunk said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

muleFunk said: Why do you think he was buying them on the street rather than getting a prescription? he had to have know it would be indescribably safer to get them legally. It can not be because of anonymity, as I feel sure there are a ton of very famous people with pain med prescriptions that are not public knowledge. You do not think the fact that he was getting pills illegally is an indicator that he may have had some level of addiction?

You are saying he bought them on the street but there is no proof of that happening as well.

They supposedly found 5 bottles of percocet around the house but under Kirk Johnson's name. For the sake of arguement here if he had gotten prescriptions under Johnson's name he could have gotten more under some other employee's name.

If he's addicted there is no reason to score pills if you can get them from legal sources.

He had two bottles of these pills in over the counter bottles. We don't know how those pills got there.

He had no prescriptions under his name but a doctor was there the day before. He could have gotten a doctor to give him a prescription for Vicodin and they would have been legal and legit.

The mystery is in the pills and who got them for Prince because we know that Fentanyl didn't cause the plane incident.

Not true. Those pills are getting harder and harder to obtain. He probably couldn't get them anymore and had to resort to getting them off the streets.

muleFunk said:

laurarichardson said:

This stuff can be absorded thru your skin. He was given a drug to help with vomiting and was not eating solid food per the chefs. So I doubt he was gobbling anything down that was solid and not vomiting for all we know he could have been having the dry heaves.

People I have come to the conclusion that Prince was poisoned for months prior to his death and that he was either taking something or given something surreptitously that WAS NOT what he or people around him thought it was.

The smoking gun is the Fentanyl. It wasn't in his system prior to April 21.

The pills found even under Johnson's name were not a gianormous amount like what the media portrayed it to be and they were all percocet until you get to the two over the counter bottles with the counterfeit pills.

Many of his family and associates have reached out and asked me about this and agree.

MuleFunk, are you an Abigail believer?

Where did you get facts that there was no Fentanyl in Ps system prior to 4/21/16?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

People I have come to the conclusion that Prince was poisoned for months prior to his death and that he was either taking something or given something surreptitously that WAS NOT what he or people around him thought it was.

The smoking gun is the Fentanyl. It wasn't in his system prior to April 21.

The pills found even under Johnson's name were not a gianormous amount like what the media portrayed it to be and they were all percocet until you get to the two over the counter bottles with the counterfeit pills.

Many of his family and associates have reached out and asked me about this and agree.

MuleFunk, are you an Abigail believer?

Where did you get facts that there was no Fentanyl in Ps system prior to 4/21/16?

I heard the coroner say he wasn't a longtime fentanyl user, for whatever that's worth.

PennyPurple said: