muleFunk said:

I'm shooting for 2019.

Every other statement you make is easily shot-down BS. That sound you hear is me throwing up.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

I'm shooting for 2019.

Every other statement you make is easily shot-down BS. That sound you hear is me throwing up.

Gag your heart out biotch.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

There are always new things to do, no matter what narrow confines some people's brains inhabit. I think Prince was intelligent enough to always try new avenues, non-musical. Having said that, I think for someone as prolific as him musically- and living to what would be a good age in any other century- (let's face it, at age 57 he must have covered everything) it probably posed a problem if he couldn't do new, exceptional music anymore.

He may have done a song a day, as he implied on the Oprah show, and if you're that prolific it's only a matter of time before you start repeating yourself.

Getting old is not for pussies, it is hard...but your observation would make prince very shallow and totally negates his deep spiritual beliefs. And in regards to his music, he was just getting ready to do something completely different than what he had been doing...so you think because he lived a fabulous life, basically he of all people, could not think of anything satisfying to do with his time? So he quit?...

Read my post again, more carefully this time before replying. P's situation was different from normal. He had bone pain and opiate withdrawal issues. His life was far from fabulous at the end. I also stand by what I say about P's prolificacy. Mozart, considered by many to be one of the most eclectic artists, sounded like he was repeating himself at times, esp when he went into Bach fugal territory. He died at 35. P died at 57. Both extremely prolific. You do the math. I would love to know what it was he was 'allegedly' intending to do, so different from what he had done before? Elucidate. Enlighten us.

muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I was 60-65% sure it was suicide before it was revealed how much fentanyl was found in his bloodstream. Now I'm 80% sure he chose to go. Occam's Razor again, I'm afraid. Suicide far far more likely than homicide, which is closer to 0%.

Quite the opposite.

Using Occum's Razor in a situation like this leaves you with a flawed result.

The levels of Fentanyl in his system would have probably killed whoever TOUCHED the pills less alone injested them.

No. It's the most straightforward explanation being the likeliest one. And there's nothing pointing towards homicide whatsoever.

So the levels of fentanyl in his system, according to you, would probably have killed whoever even touched them? So how did P get hold of that much? Doesn't that point towards P purposely ingesting as many as he could. Or lemme guess, the person handing him the pills was wearing surgical gloves? lol. So who might that be. The illuminati again...

Where's herb4 when you need him

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

Quite the opposite.

Using Occum's Razor in a situation like this leaves you with a flawed result.

The levels of Fentanyl in his system would have probably killed whoever TOUCHED the pills less alone injested them.

No. It's the most straightforward explanation being the likeliest one. And there's nothing pointing towards homicide whatsoever.

So the levels of fentanyl in his system, according to you, would probably have killed whoever even touched them? So how did P get hold of that much? Doesn't that point towards P purposely ingesting as many as he could. Or lemme guess, the person handing him the pills was wearing surgical gloves? lol. So who might that be. The illuminati again...

Where's herb4 when you need him

I was just thinking the same thing!!i

You guys are pretty compassionate folks. Good grief.. By the way, "huge ego, vanity issues" are basically the same thing. We get it--Prince was just a narcissistic, ignorant, cowardly prick and he deserved this. By the way, killing oneself instead enduring an operation that could rid you of pain and return you almost to your former self doesn't suggest self-serving ego..It indicates something else--mental illness.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

StopIt said:

B/c he was a know it all, with a huge ego, vanity issues, minimal education in the biomedical engineering department, fear, and incredily sub-par, ill-educated handlers/advisors on all fronts who failed to effectively maneuver for his best interests.

I have met my match...I think I'm in love

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purplerabbithole said:

You guys are pretty compassionate folks. Good grief.. By the way, "huge ego, vanity issues" are basically the same thing. We get it--Prince was just a narcissistic, ignorant, cowardly prick and he deserved this. By the way, killing oneself instead enduring an operation that could rid you of pain and return you almost to your former self doesn't suggest self-serving ego..It indicates something else--mental illness.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I have met my match...I think I'm in love

[Edited 9/24/17 11:08am]

Now things are getting interesting. Would you care to elaborate? BTW: ego and vanity are not synonymous but they do reside in the same neighborhood of reality defecit.

purplerabbithole said:

You guys are pretty compassionate folks. Good grief.. By the way, "huge ego, vanity issues" are basically the same thing. We get it--Prince was just a narcissistic, ignorant, cowardly prick and he deserved this. By the way, killing oneself instead enduring an operation that could rid you of pain and return you almost to your former self doesn't suggest self-serving ego..It indicates something else--mental illness.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I have met my match...I think I'm in love

[Edited 9/24/17 11:08am]

I believe that after Moline he knew the truth of his addiction could no longer be suppressed and he was about to be hit with a deluge of humiliation, snickers re his hypocracy about drugs,and the death of the "Prince" he had created and nurtured to the point of obsession for decades.

So what's a little death of the flesh to someone who believes in the eternal life of the spirit?

He was not remotely equipped to cope with losing control of his image...he had lost the narrative thread of his life, he was essentially alone except for Yes men and women brimming with ignorance and the crass greed that kept many of them silent and at PP. He was, because of his vanity and life-long fixation with physical beauty, also not equipped to cope with ageing and any of the diminishments it imposes.

St. Theresa cautioned:" more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered prayers"

Having everything...all the time is a sure way to get disconnected from reality and mental health.

Given everything...suicide seems quite a rational act for this particular individual. He did not want to stick around for the tabloid death of 1,000 cuts of Prince. RIP

Man, you like the dirt a little too much. I only said mental illness because of the lack of emotional logic to a decision like that. If he would rather take dangerous pills than get a common and safe surgery that could return him to his former self physically, it goes beyond ego or vanity. Maybe he thought he would be ostracized from the JW's. JW's say that you should let your conscience be your guide, but they do discourage surgeries that could require blood transfusion. He might have desperately wanted to hold on to this community because he was becoming more and more alone and he would rather hide a dangerous drug problem than get a surgery that JW's might discover he had done..you can't take back a blood transfusion, can you?. Or maybe just maybe the drug problem started as a way to deal with his sore hips and then hips got better enough for him to function but the drug problem just stuck around.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

You guys are pretty compassionate folks. Good grief.. By the way, "huge ego, vanity issues" are basically the same thing. We get it--Prince was just a narcissistic, ignorant, cowardly prick and he deserved this. By the way, killing oneself instead enduring an operation that could rid you of pain and return you almost to your former self doesn't suggest self-serving ego..It indicates something else--mental illness.

[Edited 9/24/17 11:08am]

Now things are getting interesting. Would you care to elaborate? BTW: ego and vanity are not synonymous but they do reside in the same neighborhood of reality defecit.

[Edited 9/24/17 12:19pm]

I believe---if he did kill himself...

THe "Prince" image was in danger of being exposed as faliable but it was his safety net. Its only human to have a fear about your life's work being crushed and your vulnerabilty being exposed. Its only human to protect yourself. The problem is he went too far in doing so and then couldn't face the shame/confusion that would come with his world collapsing.. But that's the double-edged sword of being an artist and an unique individual. I feel sorry for him that he felt lost inside his own brand or his own creation. . I have said before that "Prince" and Prince Rogers Nelson were not the same. They were too sides of the same human but one was hyperstylized and created and the other one was who he was. "Prince" was vain but really his makeup/glamour was more of a costume to hide behind, a way to feel in control of his narrative and his life (the way an anoxexic feels in control when they stop eating) . "Prince Rogers Nelson" was insecure and vulnerable (and even humble without the safety net) --I believe. His music and on stage are where Prince and Prince Rogers NElson come together in beautiful perfect unity. Elsewhere, there were often conflicts/struggle between the two--I believe. Thus, the Gemini characteristics. . When Tamron Hall sent him a text saying "You are everywhere" after seeing pictures of him everywhere. He responded with "I am everywhere and nowhere at the same time." That's depressing. In fact, that might just be depression. (I do believe there are indications of a history of depression that he seldom knew how to face.) Another thought occurred to me. There is always disagreement about whether he was shy or not. The thing is "Prince" was often on to some extent even amongst his musicians. He opened up somewhat with those guys but was able to do so because he felt in control. In an interview setting, he is exposed, prodded, and asked to defend or explain his decisions. The shy image in some ways might be closer to the truth than what many of his musicians might have seen more frequently on a daily basis. The little cracks in his facade was when Prince Rogers Nelson peeked out and I do think these came out a bit more often with women than with men..

We assume different things about the people around him. My views are...His staff was very limited (his choice) during the last months of his life. The yes men were there but his employees were kept at arms' length, and P did do some things independently , his proteges/mentorees were young and maybe unaware of his history but not necessarily stupid or uncaring. I dont think people were necessarily indifferent to him or disdainful of him. They were frustrated with him, confused and conflicted and of course looking out for themselves (as humans are inclined to do.) But had Prince really opened up to any of them about his pain, I don't think they would have told him "Go fuck yourself, old man".

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

You guys are pretty compassionate folks. Good grief.. By the way, "huge ego, vanity issues" are basically the same thing. We get it--Prince was just a narcissistic, ignorant, cowardly prick and he deserved this. By the way, killing oneself instead enduring an operation that could rid you of pain and return you almost to your former self doesn't suggest self-serving ego..It indicates something else--mental illness.

[Edited 9/24/17 11:08am]

I believe that after Moline he knew the truth of his addiction could no longer be suppressed and he was about to be hit with a deluge of humiliation, snickers re his hypocracy about drugs,and the death of the "Prince" he had created and nurtured to the point of obsession for decades.

So what's a little death of the flesh to someone who believes in the eternal life of the spirit?

He was not remotely equipped to cope with losing control of his image...he had lost the narrative thread of his life, he was essentially alone except for Yes men and women brimming with ignorance and the crass greed that kept many of them silent and at PP. He was, because of his vanity and life-long fixation with physical beauty, also not equipped to cope with ageing and any of the diminishments it imposes.

St. Theresa cautioned:" more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered prayers"

Having everything...all the time is a sure way to get disconnected from reality and mental health.

Given everything...suicide seems quite a rational act for this particular individual. He did not want to stick around for the tabloid death of 1,000 cuts of Prince. RIP

[Edited 9/24/17 12:57pm]

[Edited 9/24/17 14:34pm]

" couldn't face the shame/confusion that would come with his world collapsing.."

You have no why of knowing this is true. If he was trying to a cold turkey" he may have simplyry being trying to get himself off. People's worlds do not collasp because they go to rehab.

I beliepve---

THe "Prince" image was in danger of being exposed as faliable but it was his safety net. Its only human to have a fear about your life's work being crushed and your vulnerabilty being exposed. Its only hfuman to protect yourself. The problem is he went too far in doing so and then couldn't face the shame/confusion that would come with his world collapsing.. But that's the double-edged sword of being an artist and an unique individual. I feel sorry for him that he felt lost inside his own brand or his own creation. . I have said before that "Prince" and Prince Rogers Nelson were not the same. They were too sides of the same human but one was hyperstylized and created and the other one was who he was. "Prince" was vain but really his makeup/glamour was more of a costume to hide behind, a way to feel in control of his narrative and his life (the way an anoxexic feels in control when they stop eating) . "Prince Rogers Nelson" was insecure and vulnerable (and even humble without the safety net) --I believe. His music and on stage are where Prince and Prince Rogers NElson come together in beautiful perfect unity. Elsewhere, there were often conflicts/struggle between the two--I believe. Thus, the Gemini characteristics. . When Tamron Hall sent him a text saying "You are everywhere" after seeing pictures of him everywhere. He responded with "I am everywhere and nowhere at the same time." That's depressing. In fact, that might just be depression. (I do believe there are indications of a history of depression that he seldom knew how to face.) Another thought occurred to me. There is always disagreement about whether he was shy or not. The thing is "Prince" was often on to some extent even amongst his musicians. He opened up somewhat with those guys but was able to do so because he felt in control. In an interview setting, he is exposed, prodded, and asked to defend or explain his decisions. The shy image in some ways might be closer to the truth than what many of his musicians might have seen more frequently on a daily basis. The little cracks in his facade was when Prince Rogers Nelson peeked out and I do think these came out a bit more often with women than with men..

We assume different things about the people around him. My views are...His staff was very limited (his choice) during the last months of his life. The yes men were there but his employees were kept at arms' length, and P did do some things independently , his proteges/mentorees were young and maybe unaware of his history but not necessarily stupid or uncaring. I dont think people were necessarily indifferent to him or disdainful of him. They were frustrated with him, confused and conflicted and of course looking out for themselves (as humans are inclined to do.) But had Prince really opened up to any of them about his pain, I don't think they would have told him "Go fuck yourself, old man".

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I believe that after Moline he knew the truth of his addiction could no longer be suppressed and he was about to be hit with a deluge of humiliation, snickers re his hypocracy about drugs,and the death of the "Prince" he had created and nurtured to the point of obsession for decades.

So what's a little death of the flesh to someone who believes in the eternal life of the spirit?

He was not remotely equipped to cope with losing control of his image...he had lost the narrative thread of his life, he was essentially alone except for Yes men and women brimming with ignorance and the crass greed that kept many of them silent and at PP. He was, because of his vanity and life-long fixation with physical beauty, also not equipped to cope with ageing and any of the diminishments it imposes.

St. Theresa cautioned:" more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered prayers"

Having everything...all the time is a sure way to get disconnected from reality and mental health.

Given everything...suicide seems quite a rational act for this particular individual. He did not want to stick around for the tabloid death of 1,000 cuts of Prince. RIP

[Edited 9/24/17 12:57pm]

He had a surgical procedure and we just do not know what type or what his health stituation was. You make a lot of assumptions.

urplerabbithole said:

Man, you like the dirt a little too much. I only said mental illness because of the lack of emotional logic to a decision like that. If he would rather take dangerous pills than get a common and safe surgery that could return him to his former self physically, it goes beyond ego or vanity. Maybe he thought he would be ostracized from the JW's. JW's say that you should let your conscience be your guide, but they do discourage surgeries that could require blood transfusion. He might have desperately wanted to hold on to this community because he was becoming more and more alone and he would rather hide a dangerous drug problem than get a surgery that JW's might discover he had done..you can't take back a blood transfusion, can you?. Or maybe just maybe the drug problem started as a way to deal with his sore hips and then hips got better enough for him to function but the drug problem just stuck around.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Now things are getting interesting. Would you care to elaborate? BTW: ego and vanity are not synonymous but they do reside in the same neighborhood of reality defecit.

[Edited 9/24/17 12:19pm]

fortuneandserendipity said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

fortuneandserendipity said: Getting old is not for pussies, it is hard...but your observation would make prince very shallow and totally negates his deep spiritual beliefs. And in regards to his music, he was just getting ready to do something completely different than what he had been doing...so you think because he lived a fabulous life, basically he of all people, could not think of anything satisfying to do with his time? So he quit?...

Read my post again, more carefully this time before replying. P's situation was different from normal. He had bone pain and opiate withdrawal issues. His life was far from fabulous at the end. I also stand by what I say about P's prolificacy. Mozart, considered by many to be one of the most eclectic artists, sounded like he was repeating himself at times, esp when he went into Bach fugal territory. He died at 35. P died at 57. Both extremely prolific. You do the math. I would love to know what it was he was 'allegedly' intending to do, so different from what he had done before? Elucidate. Enlighten us.

I will tell you what he was going to do.

Peer to peer distrubution

Being his own admin.

One word " Shades of Umber"

He had health issues like millions of other people it does not mean his life was not fabulous because no one is promised a pain free and troubled exsistence.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said: The ME said no they did not fine that he was user of Fentenyl. None was in his system from prior test by Dr. S the day before. All was in his system the night before.

There is so much information out there Laura.

Some of which I missed.

Do you have a link?

I am just trying to reboot.

I have been thinking about trying to put some of this info into a speadsheet or PDF. I am not sure I can get all the links and I know a lot of the court docs have been redacted that we saw a year ago but it might be worth a try as the org kept taking down threads that had a lot of good links in them

I am going to see what I can do. So many things do not add up.

Its called theory. IT is a what-if scenario based off what we have read about P's personality in the past. . And that theory was based on the idea that he might have been suicidal. If he was not suicidical and truely wanted help, and then someone tainted his pills or a ridiculous accident happened than obviously he wasn''t as worried about his image collapsing anymore and was working on turning over a new leaf (only to be derailed by addiction and fate) . If Pricne was sick with a fatal disease than his concerns over image are not relevant at all to how he died. .

laurarichardson said:

" couldn't face the shame/confusion that would come with his world collapsing.."

You have no why of knowing this is true. If he was trying to a cold turkey" he may have simplyry being trying to get himself off. People's worlds do not collasp because they go to rehab.

I beliepve---

THe "Prince" image was in danger of being exposed as faliable but it was his safety net. Its only human to have a fear about your life's work being crushed and your vulnerabilty being exposed. Its only hfuman to protect yourself. The problem is he went too far in doing so and then couldn't face the shame/confusion that would come with his world collapsing.. But that's the double-edged sword of being an artist and an unique individual. I feel sorry for him that he felt lost inside his own brand or his own creation. . I have said before that "Prince" and Prince Rogers Nelson were not the same. They were too sides of the same human but one was hyperstylized and created and the other one was who he was. "Prince" was vain but really his makeup/glamour was more of a costume to hide behind, a way to feel in control of his narrative and his life (the way an anoxexic feels in control when they stop eating) . "Prince Rogers Nelson" was insecure and vulnerable (and even humble without the safety net) --I believe. His music and on stage are where Prince and Prince Rogers NElson come together in beautiful perfect unity. Elsewhere, there were often conflicts/struggle between the two--I believe. Thus, the Gemini characteristics. . When Tamron Hall sent him a text saying "You are everywhere" after seeing pictures of him everywhere. He responded with "I am everywhere and nowhere at the same time." That's depressing. In fact, that might just be depression. (I do believe there are indications of a history of depression that he seldom knew how to face.) Another thought occurred to me. There is always disagreement about whether he was shy or not. The thing is "Prince" was often on to some extent even amongst his musicians. He opened up somewhat with those guys but was able to do so because he felt in control. In an interview setting, he is exposed, prodded, and asked to defend or explain his decisions. The shy image in some ways might be closer to the truth than what many of his musicians might have seen more frequently on a daily basis. The little cracks in his facade was when Prince Rogers Nelson peeked out and I do think these came out a bit more often with women than with men..

We assume different things about the people around him. My views are...His staff was very limited (his choice) during the last months of his life. The yes men were there but his employees were kept at arms' length, and P did do some things independently , his proteges/mentorees were young and maybe unaware of his history but not necessarily stupid or uncaring. I dont think people were necessarily indifferent to him or disdainful of him. They were frustrated with him, confused and conflicted and of course looking out for themselves (as humans are inclined to do.) But had Prince really opened up to any of them about his pain, I don't think they would have told him "Go fuck yourself, old man".

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[Edited 9/24/17 14:32pm]

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sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

What would we do if we did not have you to tell us the obvious? Try looking beyond the stituation to what actually caused it all in the first place. I believe we are discussing chronic pain.

I have asked this question a thousand times. What would you do if you were in pain and these drugs are so powerful that you became addicted to them and found unfortunatly that despite the risk you actually need to make it day to day?

Do not be so quick to judge. We are all getting older and could be on this road someday.

Who is judging? Militant stated the obvious as you put it, and you jumped all over it. I was merely pointing out that Militant's statement was correct. It's a simple fact. No more, no less. Stop turning everything into more than it is. What would we do without you blowing everything out of proportion and making it something its not? And most importantly reminding us all how superior YOUR opinions are to any of those us mere mortals dare to suggesst. Oh, the horror.

If you think my asking people to look deeper at a subject and not just at the surface is me being superior you are mistaken. I actually posted an article about the over prescription of these drugs fors minor pains and health issues.

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

I don't believe that he committed suicide and I don't believe he faked his own death.

I have a hard enough time trying to wrap my head around the fact that he was intentionally killed.

However after reaching out to my friends in the medical profession and to my classmates in law enforcement the levels found in his system are 200 times higher than normal Fentanyl OD deaths.

That's why the DEA went into PP. They had never seen those levels before and wanted to know where they came from.

Then I started reseaching the covert use of Fentanyl and discovered it was used in political assassinations for at least 50 years. Before the medicinal use of Fentanyl became widespread people who were assassinated by this method was assumed to have died via heart failure.

I was 60-65% sure it was suicide before it was revealed how much fentanyl was found in his bloodstream. Now I'm 80% sure he chose to go. Occam's Razor again, I'm afraid. Suicide far far more likely than homicide, which is closer to 0%.

It could be suicide or homicide. Nothing stopping someone from fucking up his pills. People use to give junkies hot shots back in the day. It does not have to be a conspiracy he could have just pissed some nutball off. He had looney breaking into the grounds and leaving death threats. Lots of crazy people were around and he chased a lot of women as well.

Prince was capable of being killed just like anyone else on the earth.

purplerabbithole said:

Aspergers and bipolar are two different things. If he had autism it was low. Autistic folks struggle with (among other things) reading social cues. He seemed to understand others quite well (he could manipulate and seemed observant.)

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was probably taking some pain pills while she was around. but I doubt it was out of hand because it would have popped up in the divorce papers and she could have used it to get more money. As for what Wendy said, the fact that she implied it would get worse when he GOT OLDER, makes it seem like a mental/emotional issue rather than an addiction. I once started a thread about P possibly having bipolar disorder (otherwise known as manic depression). I still think its possible..

I agree I think he was on the Asperger's spectrum.

purplerabbithole said:

Aspergers and bipolar are two different things. If he had autism it was low. Autistic folks struggle with (among other things) reading social cues. He seemed to understand others quite well (he could manipulate and seemed observant.)

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said: I agree I think he was on the Asperger's spectrum.

But, according to 80 per cent of his songs, he seemed shocked, SHOCKED, totally confused, gob smacked, disbelieving that the women he said he loved so much all left him lonely, alone, in tears, etc.

Hey, Buddy, maybe it was because you cheated on them non-stop?

Yeah, he really understood that 'I'll love for forever' and 'I'll never leave you' dynamic. LOL

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Aspergers and bipolar are two different things. If he had autism it was low. Autistic folks struggle with (among other things) reading social cues. He seemed to understand others quite well (he could manipulate and seemed observant.)

But, according to 80 per cent of his songs, he seemed shocked, SHOCKED, totally confused, gob smacked, disbelieving that the women he said he loved so much all left him lonely, alone, in tears, etc.

Hey, Buddy, maybe it was because you cheated on them non-stop?

Yeah, he really understood that 'I'll love for forever' and 'I'll never leave you' dynamic. LOL

That is a dramatic device he used for songs. He knew how to reel women in so if he had aspergers he was on the low end. He was also a old school player. He really thought it was okay for him to poke as many women as he could and that women should sit around a be good girls.

Give this dude a break for once. The topic for discussion is not the women (who apparently according to you and others have no eyes to see his ways) he cheated on.

And, since when are 80% of Prince's songs, tears in your beer, lost love, torch songs?

Being observant of human nature does not mean his songs are technically based on biographical information. Knowing others doesn't mean you know how to cope with your own issues etc. Fame can make it harder to determine others motivations around you. It doesn't make you autistic if you sometimes can't trust people or stay faithful.

BTW, i work with autistic kids (on both ends of the spectrum). Not being able to read social cues means not knowing when someone is trying to subtlely get you to leave the room or drop a subject, or not picking up on subtle shade from others, or not being able to tell if someone is hitting on you, etc. Basic simple social cues like that are hard for most autistic people. HIs personal issues were much more complicated than that.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Aspergers and bipolar are two different things. If he had autism it was low. Autistic folks struggle with (among other things) reading social cues. He seemed to understand others quite well (he could manipulate and seemed observant.)

But, according to 80 per cent of his songs, he seemed shocked, SHOCKED, totally confused, gob smacked, disbelieving that the women he said he loved so much all left him lonely, alone, in tears, etc.

Hey, Buddy, maybe it was because you cheated on them non-stop?

Yeah, he really understood that 'I'll love for forever' and 'I'll never leave you' dynamic. LOL

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OperatingThetan said:

Has it been definitely and reliably confirmed that Prince did not have hip surgery - some kind of an attempt at a replacement or repair? Because if he did and it failed, he had little choice but to medicate. If he avoided full surgery because of health concerns due to his beliefs (lack of blood increasing the risks of potential surgery) that is different. Having had experience with JWs though, it is clear to me he was not devout or fully dedicated during the last few years before his death. [Edited 9/24/17 15:49pm]

No it has not. We have a few people who worked for him who have confirmed that he had some sort of hip procedure. Maybe whatever procedure he had failed or something else came along. After he died a few people who worked for him kept saying we did not know the whole story so obviously something besides drug addiction was going on as we all know about that now.

It called all be in cleared up by someone opening their mouth.

Damn, Laura, why do you so consistently make him out to be the world's biggest man whore? LOL.

He probably had those double standards because he knows that the women will get benefits from associations with him and expected loyalty in exchange... He might have figured that since women supposedly can't divorce sex from emotions like men can, a female's betrayal is a more emotional/personal one etc. I am not saying those notions are fair or correct, but we don't know if his views evolved or changed where those notions were concerned. His post Mayte relationships are a bit hazy and unclear. We really don't have any proof or even public statements from lovers claiming he cheated--other than that Mikki White (who he didn't date) and a few assumptions due to proteges he seemed tight with. People might say once a dog always a dog, but Prince didn't used to worry about cussing and probably didn't pop pills constantly back in the day either. He also didn't discourage female bandmates from showing too much skin while employing their husbands at PP in the 80's and 90's unlike the 3rdeyegirl 2000's period. He also in the 80's didn't 'date' a JW who used to post on facebook her belief in celibacy. People change--sometimes for the best; sometimes for the worse. I know you are going to say I am naive but having casual flirtations with women/public proteges doesn't alway constitute man-whoring.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

But, according to 80 per cent of his songs, he seemed shocked, SHOCKED, totally confused, gob smacked, disbelieving that the women he said he loved so much all left him lonely, alone, in tears, etc.

Hey, Buddy, maybe it was because you cheated on them non-stop?

Yeah, he really understood that 'I'll love for forever' and 'I'll never leave you' dynamic. LOL

That is a dramatic device he used for songs. He knew how to reel women in so if he had aspergers he was on the low end. He was also a old school player. He really thought it was okay for him to poke as many women as he could and that women should sit around a be good girls.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Because he was a man whore and you spend too much time trying to psycho analze it all. He did what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it and he knew exactly what he was doing. As women will spend too much time trying to figure this stuff out when men are good at letting us know exactly what they are about usually from the getty up. We just do not want to see it and you do not want to see it despite the evidence being overwhelming.

Did you not read some of the things Vanity's brother-law said about Prince bringing Vanity too his hometown and she finding out Kim was hanging at his house? Did you not hear what Jill Jones said about finding out about Susan when got to town? Or Prince going into his bedroom with Susan and her look alike sister right infront of Vanity's face? Or years later when Vanity hooked back up with him but left because Kim Bassinger kept calling. Or Robyn Power discussing the two of them doing the do while Kim was knocking on the front door and he made her hide in a closet.

Do you realize the entire page of this post could bea filled with these stories over and over again?. It was not Aspergers or Bi-Polar disorder that was making him be a manwhore.

purplerabbithole said:

Damn, Laura, why do you so consistently make him out to be the world's biggest man whore? LOL.

He probably had those double standards because he knows that the women will get benefits from associations with him and expected loyalty in exchange... He might have figured that since women supposedly can't divorce sex from emotions like men can, a female's betrayal is a more emotional/personal one etc. I am not saying those notions are fair or correct, but we don't know if his views evolved or changed where those notions were concerned. His post Mayte relationships are a bit hazy and unclear. We really don't have any proof or even public statements from lovers claiming he cheated--other than that Mikki White (who he didn't date) and a few assumptions due to proteges he seemed tight with. People might say once a dog always a dog, but Prince didn't used to worry about cussing and probably didn't pop pills constantly back in the day either. He also didn't discourage female bandmates from showing too much skin while employing their husbands at PP in the 80's and 90's unlike the 3rdeyegirl 2000's period. He also in the 80's didn't 'date' a JW who used to post on facebook her belief in celibacy. People change--sometimes for the best; sometimes for the worse. I know you are going to say I am naive but having casual flirtations with women/public proteges doesn't alway constitute man-whoring.

laurarichardson said:

That is a dramatic device he used for songs. He knew how to reel women in so if he had aspergers he was on the low end. He was also a old school player. He really thought it was okay for him to poke as many women as he could and that women should sit around a be good girls.

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he lived the rockstar life which for a man generally means playing the field for as long as you can. Only exceptions i know of are Bruce Springsteen who seemed to not go overboard with the womanizing and gay guys like Little Richard, who, was actually bisexual and his closest lover, Lee Angel said had a psychic connection with, she used to say she'd scream at him if he thought of other women. One time she got pissed because Richard had a thought of burning Lee with something. Anyway, most of the rockers are horrible womanizers, underage virtual pederasts, most of them.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is so much information out there Laura.

Some of which I missed.

Do you have a link?

I am just trying to reboot.

I have been thinking about trying to put some of this info into a speadsheet or PDF. I am not sure I can get all the links and I know a lot of the court docs have been redacted that we saw a year ago but it might be worth a try as the org kept taking down threads that had a lot of good links in them

I am going to see what I can do. So many things do not add up.

Thanks.

I originally started a spreadsheet but it went by the wayside after awhile.

I should probably start a reference document also and keep it in Dropbox so that I can add to when I need to do so.

Now that I think about about it what I am looking for might have been in the search warrants.

I will look.

I didn't say he wasn't at least half the time a man whore. I said it wasn't every waking minute of his life or as much when he was older. Why is that such a naive notion. Is Susan Rogers yet another person you don't believe-- when she said stories about his womanizing were exagerrated because he was usually too busy working. I guess women who enjoy their reps as side pieces (nice way of putting it, I know) like Robin are easier to believe.

Warren Beatty (the ultimate man whore) settled down.

laurarichardson said:

Because he was a man whore and you spend too much time trying to psycho analze it all. He did what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it and he knew exactly what he was doing. As women will spend too much time trying to figure this stuff out when men are good at letting us know exactly what they are about usually from the getty up. We just do not want to see it and you do not want to see it despite the evidence being overwhelming.

Did you not read some of the things Vanity's brother-law said about Prince bringing Vanity too his hometown and she finding out Kim was hanging at his house? Did you not hear what Jill Jones said about finding out about Susan when got to town? Or Prince going into his bedroom with Susan and her look alike sister right infront of Vanity's face? Or years later when Vanity hooked back up with him but left because Kim Bassinger kept calling. Or Robyn Power discussing the two of them doing the do while Kim was knocking on the front door and he made her hide in a closet.

Do you realize the entire page of this post could bea filled with these stories over and over again?. It was not Aspergers or Bi-Polar disorder that was making him be a manwhore.

purplerabbithole said:

Damn, Laura, why do you so consistently make him out to be the world's biggest man whore? LOL.

He probably had those double standards because he knows that the women will get benefits from associations with him and expected loyalty in exchange... He might have figured that since women supposedly can't divorce sex from emotions like men can, a female's betrayal is a more emotional/personal one etc. I am not saying those notions are fair or correct, but we don't know if his views evolved or changed where those notions were concerned. His post Mayte relationships are a bit hazy and unclear. We really don't have any proof or even public statements from lovers claiming he cheated--other than that Mikki White (who he didn't date) and a few assumptions due to proteges he seemed tight with. People might say once a dog always a dog, but Prince didn't used to worry about cussing and probably didn't pop pills constantly back in the day either. He also didn't discourage female bandmates from showing too much skin while employing their husbands at PP in the 80's and 90's unlike the 3rdeyegirl 2000's period. He also in the 80's didn't 'date' a JW who used to post on facebook her belief in celibacy. People change--sometimes for the best; sometimes for the worse. I know you are going to say I am naive but having casual flirtations with women/public proteges doesn't alway constitute man-whoring.

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