Too many look at the fact that he was "self medicating" but don't look at the fact that he was being seen by doctors. The mystery stems from the Bayer and Aleve bottles with the counterfeit pills and how they got into his possessions. The mystery stems from the amount that he had in his system was so great i has astounded seasoned DEA investigators. The mystery stems from the fact that no one in law enforcement has seen the same batch of 383 Watsons appear on the drug market anywhere in the world.

Yeah.... he was "self medicating".

Are you trying to imply that Prince was murdered by someone who intentionally gave him too much fentanyl and pressed the counterfit pills themselves.

anyone denying the whole death is bizarre is in denial. I don't believe he was murdered, my opinion, and I could be wrong was that he didn't want to be here anymore. Then the question is, why would he feel that way? Who knows, as demanding as he was, he couldn't have liked facing a life period of diminishing powers, as proud as he was, he couldn't have seen a time where he might have needed any caretaking or assistance. Or maybe he just knew he had something fatal and his days were numbered anyways.

muleFunk said:

Too many look at the fact that he was "self medicating" but don't look at the fact that he was being seen by doctors. The mystery stems from the Bayer and Aleve bottles with the counterfeit pills and how they got into his possessions. The mystery stems from the amount that he had in his system was so great i has astounded seasoned DEA investigators. The mystery stems from the fact that no one in law enforcement has seen the same batch of 383 Watsons appear on the drug market anywhere in the world.

Yeah.... he was "self medicating".

Why does it surprise people that the man who had everything made to order for the last 35 years, including his underpants, had the pills he had become habituated to made especially for him?

You don't 'accidentally' take that massive a dose of Fentenyl (according to the ME whose particular area of expertise, coincidentally, was/is Fentenyl intoxication) UNLESS you are ALREADY habituated to injesting enormous dosages of the drug. It was ruled accidental, not a homocide, for a reason.

Sadly, the only other plausible scenario is suicide. Don't let de-elevator bring you down.

[Edited 9/21/17 19:15pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

Too many look at the fact that he was "self medicating" but don't look at the fact that he was being seen by doctors. The mystery stems from the Bayer and Aleve bottles with the counterfeit pills and how they got into his possessions. The mystery stems from the amount that he had in his system was so great i has astounded seasoned DEA investigators. The mystery stems from the fact that no one in law enforcement has seen the same batch of 383 Watsons appear on the drug market anywhere in the world.

Yeah.... he was "self medicating".

Why does it surprise people that the man who had everything made to order for the last 35 years, including his underpants, had the pills he had become habituated to made especially for him. You don't 'accidentally' take that massive a dose of Fentenyl (according to the ME whose particular area of expertise, coincidentally, was/is Fentenyl intoxication) UNLESS you are ALREADY habituated to injesting enormous dosages of the drug. It was ruled accidental, not a homocide, for a reason.

can anyone, layperson or hardcore addict take that much and not die? i thought it was a couple hundred times what it would take to kill him. sounds intentional to me. Unless the little guy developed the tolerance of an dinosaur.

His death does seem bizarre. I know people have died from these counterfit pills but why Prince of all people. everyone signed NDA's did they not? He would have no reason to be so underhanded about the whole matter. He could have just popped prescription pills in front of his staff. Also, why was he alone? (I am not talking about the distant associates and friends who he gave the runaround to. I am talking about KJ, his "girlfriend" Judith and his assistant. why did it take 45 minutes to find him. Is there another way to get up the stairs other than the elevator.(I have never been to PP so I wouldn't know). If the elevator is the only way, then why did it take so long? would it take 45 minutes to look downstairs. Maybe, they were afraid to look in the elevator because it couldn't be good news to find him in there. Also, the mystery of the strength of the pills. I don't why this isn't a higher priority for everyone revolving around prince (family, friends, distant friends.) I hate to think people wanted him dead. Could this many people be in a conspiracy of either indifference or outright facilitating of a death following by Oscar worthy depictions of false remorse/mourning...

I would rather think he killed himself to spare pain or humilation once the truth of his addiction became an unavoidable fact, and that folks in the Purple Universe suspect that to be the case and don't want to bring shame to him. At least this shows that they cared .

PeteSilas said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Why does it surprise people that the man who had everything made to order for the last 35 years, including his underpants, had the pills he had become habituated to made especially for him. You don't 'accidentally' take that massive a dose of Fentenyl (according to the ME whose particular area of expertise, coincidentally, was/is Fentenyl intoxication) UNLESS you are ALREADY habituated to injesting enormous dosages of the drug. It was ruled accidental, not a homocide, for a reason.

can anyone, layperson or hardcore addict take that much and not die? i thought it was a couple hundred times what it would take to kill him. sounds intentional to me. Unless the little guy developed the tolerance of an dinosaur.

Yes, this is exactly the brutal truth that fans/fams are going to have to come to grips with...all the talk about the 'chronic pain' he was in masks the reality that he didn't die of hip pain. He died because he engaged in behaviours that he had been totally opposed to his whole adult life...or so he preached.

When you peek behind the sound stage curtain, it's not all sparkly costumes and musical instruments, hot babes and pancakes...there's old gum on the floor, dirt shoved into the dark corners, used condoms, and old love letters with the footprint of a size 7 high-heeled boot ground into them. And it doesn't smell good, either.

[Edited 9/21/17 19:32pm]

purplerabbithole said:

His death does seem bizarre. I know people have died from these counterfit pills but why Prince of all people. everyone signed NDA's did they not? He would have no reason to be so underhanded about the whole matter. He could have just popped prescription pills in front of his staff. Also, why was he alone? (I am not talking about the distant associates and friends who he gave the runaround to. I am talking about KJ, his "girlfriend" Judith and his assistant. why did it take 45 minutes to find him. Is there another way to get up the stairs other than the elevator.(I have never been to PP so I wouldn't know). If the elevator is the only way, then why did it take so long? would it take 45 minutes to look downstairs. Maybe, they were afraid to look in the elevator because it couldn't be good news to find him in there. Also, the mystery of the strength of the pills. I don't why this isn't a higher priority for everyone revolving around prince (family, friends, distant friends.) I hate to think people wanted him dead. Could this many people be in a conspiracy of either indifference or outright facilitating of a death following by Oscar worthy depictions of false remorse/mourning...

I would rather think he killed himself to spare pain or humilation once the truth of his addiction became an unavoidable fact, and that folks in the Purple Universe suspect that to be the case and don't want to bring shame to him. At least this shows that they cared .

Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole that is sometimes implied (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

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You go a little too bleak for me. ? Did you listen to the P and M footage on April 14th. He was having a very apparent blast. Maybe it is something less extreme than the hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak. Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

His death does seem bizarre. I know people have died from these counterfit pills but why Prince of all people. everyone signed NDA's did they not? He would have no reason to be so underhanded about the whole matter. He could have just popped prescription pills in front of his staff. Also, why was he alone? (I am not talking about the distant associates and friends who he gave the runaround to. I am talking about KJ, his "girlfriend" Judith and his assistant. why did it take 45 minutes to find him. Is there another way to get up the stairs other than the elevator.(I have never been to PP so I wouldn't know). If the elevator is the only way, then why did it take so long? would it take 45 minutes to look downstairs. Maybe, they were afraid to look in the elevator because it couldn't be good news to find him in there. Also, the mystery of the strength of the pills. I don't why this isn't a higher priority for everyone revolving around prince (family, friends, distant friends.) I hate to think people wanted him dead. Could this many people be in a conspiracy of either indifference or outright facilitating of a death following by Oscar worthy depictions of false remorse/mourning...

I would rather think he killed himself to spare pain or humilation once the truth of his addiction became an unavoidable fact, and that folks in the Purple Universe suspect that to be the case and don't want to bring shame to him. At least this shows that they cared .

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you have to go so bleak? Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

Agreed, and many believe emotional pain IS hell. Why try to 'pretty up' that desperate time and place?...to make some people feel better about having averted their eyes from his deepening addiction? Not me.

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you have to go so bleak? Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

it's dissapointing losing the man in that way is all I can say. I became a musician (failed I should say) because of him and to see him with all the accomplishment and success still somehow lose like that, it's a pretty hopeless feeling for me. In fact, i thought of quitting completely after he died, didn't practice for a good while. Took a whole lot out of me. I've asked myself if i'd have felt that way if he'd died in a car crash or something, i don't think it would feel like this. The guy holding up the torch and leading me jumped off a cliff with the flame. That's how it feels.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you have to go so bleak? Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

it's dissapointing losing the man in that way is all I can say. I became a musician (failed I should say) because of him and to see him with all the accomplishment and success still somehow lose like that, it's a pretty hopeless feeling for me. In fact, i thought of quitting completely after he died, didn't practice for a good while. Took a whole lot out of me. I've asked myself if i'd have felt that way if he'd died in a car crash or something, i don't think it would feel like this. The guy holding up the torch and leading me jumped off a cliff with the flame. That's how it feels.

You're not alone...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

it's dissapointing losing the man in that way is all I can say. I became a musician (failed I should say) because of him and to see him with all the accomplishment and success still somehow lose like that, it's a pretty hopeless feeling for me. In fact, i thought of quitting completely after he died, didn't practice for a good while. Took a whole lot out of me. I've asked myself if i'd have felt that way if he'd died in a car crash or something, i don't think it would feel like this. The guy holding up the torch and leading me jumped off a cliff with the flame. That's how it feels.

You're not alone...

thanks.

That is very touching what you said. I really hope that his associates feel deeper about his loss than we do. I really do. I wonder sometimes but I try not to wonder too hard. Maybe, it is just too painful for them to consider that he killed himself. Maybe, it is just easier for them to think it was just a mistake. Maybe, they are numbing themselves with Prince tributes to his music and justifying their exploitation in their own minds as helping to uphold his legacy because it is too difficult to face the truth that a man has died senselessly and this has actually helped their careers and increased their exposure. People by nature are selfish..not that we don't have empathy or compassion but everything we do has an element of self-presevation or consideration of one's self. No action is completely selfless. Even suicidal folks are trying to kill the pain or emptiness. Saints want God's love and a clear conscience so they can sleep well at night. Parents who die rather than let their kids die dont want to live the hell of knowing they didn't sacrifice for their children. People don't just give a gift out of generousity. They do it to also because they want appreciation back. His associates might be exploiting him but not necessarily in a such a deliberate way; getting caught up in the hype, legacy and $$$$ might feel much better to them than facing the truth that Prince shouldn't have went out the way he did. It doesnt mean they don't go home at night when the hype has died and feel like utter shit sometimes when they picture his frail little lifeless body crumped up in a fucking elevator.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you have to go so bleak? Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

it's dissapointing losing the man in that way is all I can say. I became a musician (failed I should say) because of him and to see him with all the accomplishment and success still somehow lose like that, it's a pretty hopeless feeling for me. In fact, i thought of quitting completely after he died, didn't practice for a good while. Took a whole lot out of me. I've asked myself if i'd have felt that way if he'd died in a car crash or something, i don't think it would feel like this. The guy holding up the torch and leading me jumped off a cliff with the flame. That's how it feels.

[Edited 9/21/17 20:05pm]

muleFunk said:

Too many look at the fact that he was "self medicating" but don't look at the fact that he was being seen by doctors. The mystery stems from the Bayer and Aleve bottles with the counterfeit pills and how they got into his possessions. The mystery stems from the amount that he had in his system was so great i has astounded seasoned DEA investigators. The mystery stems from the fact that no one in law enforcement has seen the same batch of 383 Watsons appear on the drug market anywhere in the world.

Yeah.... he was "self medicating".

Maybe someone in his circle was making them??

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Why does it surprise people that the man who had everything made to order for the last 35 years, including his underpants, had the pills he had become habituated to made especially for him?

You don't 'accidentally' take that massive a dose of Fentenyl (according to the ME whose particular area of expertise, coincidentally, was/is Fentenyl intoxication) UNLESS you are ALREADY habituated to injesting enormous dosages of the drug. It was ruled accidental, not a homocide, for a reason.

Sadly, the only other plausible scenario is suicide. Don't let de-elevator bring you down.

[Edited 9/21/17 19:15pm]

That much fentanyl can be in the pills that are made illegally because of the way they cut them. It's hit and miss.

I am not trying to be a pain. But 67 mcg is enough to literally killed 20.2333 men. It seems unlikely that even a haphazardly made pill from the black market would have that much (or even two total pills) . i mean has anyone ever actually stated how much fentanyl was found in drug fatalities elsewhere where mislabeled counterfit pills were concerned? Yes, people have died from these counterfit drugs due to the fentanyl in them, but they may have also died from anything above 3 mcg of fentanyl since that is all it takes. This amount would be an easy mistake to make if dealers are not careful or knowledgable enough. But a pill that functions as cyanide to such an overwhelming degree is probably not good for business. I imagine the fatalities come from somebody popping 3 or 4 of those babies not knowing that there is fentanyl in them at all. Not because they is enough fentanyl in their stash to kill a large horse. I am not sure why the coroner said it was accident, but it doesn't make much sense to me to be an accident with that much fentanyl.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Why does it surprise people that the man who had everything made to order for the last 35 years, including his underpants, had the pills he had become habituated to made especially for him?

You don't 'accidentally' take that massive a dose of Fentenyl (according to the ME whose particular area of expertise, coincidentally, was/is Fentenyl intoxication) UNLESS you are ALREADY habituated to injesting enormous dosages of the drug. It was ruled accidental, not a homocide, for a reason.

Sadly, the only other plausible scenario is suicide. Don't let de-elevator bring you down.

[Edited 9/21/17 19:15pm]

That much fentanyl can be in the pills that are made illegally because of the way they cut them. It's hit and miss.

purplerabbithole said:

I am not trying to be a pain. But 67 mcg is enough to literally killed 20.2333 men. It seems unlikely that even a haphazardly made pill from the black market would have that much (or even two total pills) . i mean has anyone ever actually stated how much fentanyl was found in drug fatalities elsewhere where mislabeled counterfit pills were concerned? Yes, people have died from these counterfit drugs due to the fentanyl in them, but they may have also died from anything above 3 mcg of fentanyl since that is all it takes. This amount would be an easy mistake to make if dealers are not careful or knowledgable enough. But a pill that functions as cyanide to such an overwhelming degree is probably not good for business. I imagine the fatalities come from somebody popping 3 or 4 of those babies not knowing that there is fentanyl in them at all. Not because they is enough fentanyl in their stash to kill a large horse. I am not sure why the coroner said it was accident, but it doesn't make much sense to me to be an accident with that much fentanyl.

I wonder if he took 1 pill or a handful?

I don't know. YOu have a point. But let's say for the sake of the argument that P took 6 pills. Each would have a little more than 11 mcg of fentanyl.. That still seems pretty high for pills made by greedy drug dealers who prefer they maintain their clientale for a least a little while. Also we would probably have to assume that every pill he took had a lethal amount in it.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not trying to be a pain. But 67 mcg is enough to literally killed 20.2333 men. It seems unlikely that even a haphazardly made pill from the black market would have that much (or even two total pills) . i mean has anyone ever actually stated how much fentanyl was found in drug fatalities elsewhere where mislabeled counterfit pills were concerned? Yes, people have died from these counterfit drugs due to the fentanyl in them, but they may have also died from anything above 3 mcg of fentanyl since that is all it takes. This amount would be an easy mistake to make if dealers are not careful or knowledgable enough. But a pill that functions as cyanide to such an overwhelming degree is probably not good for business. I imagine the fatalities come from somebody popping 3 or 4 of those babies not knowing that there is fentanyl in them at all. Not because they is enough fentanyl in their stash to kill a large horse. I am not sure why the coroner said it was accident, but it doesn't make much sense to me to be an accident with that much fentanyl.

I wonder if he took 1 pill or a handful?

[Edited 9/21/17 20:51pm]

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not trying to be a pain. But 67 mcg is enough to literally killed 20.2333 men. It seems unlikely that even a haphazardly made pill from the black market would have that much (or even two total pills) . i mean has anyone ever actually stated how much fentanyl was found in drug fatalities elsewhere where mislabeled counterfit pills were concerned? Yes, people have died from these counterfit drugs due to the fentanyl in them, but they may have also died from anything above 3 mcg of fentanyl since that is all it takes. This amount would be an easy mistake to make if dealers are not careful or knowledgable enough. But a pill that functions as cyanide to such an overwhelming degree is probably not good for business. I imagine the fatalities come from somebody popping 3 or 4 of those babies not knowing that there is fentanyl in them at all. Not because they is enough fentanyl in their stash to kill a large horse. I am not sure why the coroner said it was accident, but it doesn't make much sense to me to be an accident with that much fentanyl.

I wonder if he took 1 pill or a handful?

he wouldn't have been able keep down a large quantity of pills, he had been throwing up for months...he injested the fatal dose another way...

the cops said it was pills. I think he probably could have forced down some pills and a bit of water. I know he was having trouble eating, but you can't go without water for more than 5 days. So, obviously during his last couple months, he was occasionally able to stomach enough water to take some pills.

Fentanyl comes into the system through either lolipops, mouth spray, tablets, or patches. But I don't think any of them have nearly that much fentanyl in them.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

I wonder if he took 1 pill or a handful?

he wouldn't have been able keep down a large quantity of pills, he had been throwing up for months...he injested the fatal dose another way...

Be honest the cops and the ME have no real way of knowing if Prince ingested this deadly concotion from pills or not. They found pills on the premises so they are making an assumption.

According to Dr. Drew most people using these pills do not overdose on them unless they are combined with other substances because of the amount of vomiting pain pills causes therefore, Prnce had not had this concoction in his system chances are he would be alive maybe not well but alive.

Keep in mind roughly the same concotion that killed him is now being used as a death penalty drug.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html

At a time when the United States is grappling with an epidemic of opioid-relate...ose deaths, one state is turning to a very high-potency opioid for criminal executions.

Opioids are a class of drugs that include some prescription painkillers as well as illicit drugs such as heroin and street fentanyl. The majority of drug overdose deaths nationwide involve an opioid, and about 91 Americans die every day from an opioid overdose, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Now, the Nevada Department of Corrections is preparing to use fentanyl in a three-part drug combination for an upcoming execution, it said in a statement August 17.

The combination includes the sedative diazepam, wh...ame Valium; the muscle relaxant cisatracurium; and fentanyl, according to the statement.

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Nevada turned to fentanyl for an execution because the state had no other drugs to carry out a lethal injection after "pharmaceutical industry opposition to the use of their products in executions," The Marshall Project reported Wednesday.

The Marshall Project, a nonpartisan nonprofit news organization covering the criminal justice system, originally published news...n approach.

"I have one word that summarizes all of it, and it's 'irony,' " said Josh Bloom, senior director of chemical and pharmaceutical sciences for the American Council on Science and Health, adding that Nevada's decision left him "flabbergasted."

What's fueling the opioid epidemic?

"You got something that's killing hundreds of people a day across the United States, and you got prisons who can't get death penalty drugs, so they're turning to the drug that's killing hundreds of people across the United States. This sounds like an article from the Onion," a news satire site, Bloom said.

On the other hand, Nevada's decision didn't seem to shock Dr. Edward W. Boyer, a medical toxicologist who also teaches at Harvard Medical School.

"Fentanyl itself is lethal. If you haven't heard about fentanyl-laced heroin and its impact on death rates in opioid users over the past several months, you might have been living under a rock," Boyer said.

"Fentanyl is a drug that you can inject intramuscularly, dermally and a wide number of routes," he said. "The main problem with them from a clinical perspective is that they wipe out your ability to breathe. You simply stop breathing. It causes profound respiratory depression."

'This specific chemical cocktail ... has never been used in this way before'

This fentanyl drug combination is to be used in the execution of 46-year-old Scott Raymond Dozier on November 14 at Ely State Prison in Ely, Nevada, according to the Department of Corrections' statement.

"Dozier was sentenced to death after a first-degree murder conviction for the 2002 killing and dismemberment of Jeremiah Miller, 22," the statement said. "Miller's dismembered torso was found in a suitcase that had been dumped in a trash bin.

"During the course of their investigation, police uncovered another victim of Dozier who was dismembered and buried in the Arizona desert. Dozier was found guilty of second-degree murder in that case," the statement said.

The Marshall Project reported that "Nearly a year ago, Nevada death row inmate Scott Dozier asked to be executed, telling a state court judge he would forego his appeals."

In an emailed statement to CNN, Nevada's chief medical officer Dr. John DiMuro said, "I can confirm that I am consulting with the NDOC as required by Nevada statute. This consultation process is ongoing and not complete at this time. Our expectation is that any final decision is likely to be reviewed by the Court."

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The American Civil Liberties ... of Nevada opposes the plans to use the new drug combination, said Tod Story, executive director of the ACLU of Nevada.

"The concern is that this specific chemical cocktail that they have proposed has never been used in this way before. It's not like they can point to some success or result. This will be the first time," Story said.

"Using Mr. Dozier as a guinea pig is not an option, despite his stated desire to want to give up all of his rights to appeal," he said. "The use of the drugs that they have proposed are paralytics and an overdose of an opioid. So you're essentially trying to kill this person by paralyzing them to death, which sounds horrific, and it's certainly not in our perspective compliant with the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution, which is no cruel or unusual punishment."

Last week, the ACLU of Nevada announced that it filed a public records request with the Department of Corrections in order to obtain additional details about Dozier's upcoming execution.

How America executes its prisoners

The Marshall Project cited experts who said they saw no obvious reason why Nevada selected this drug combination.

The fentanyl and diazepam "may be trying to block the experience of suffocation," Joel B. Zivot, an Emory University anesthesiologist who has served as an expert witness in legal challenges to execution protocols, told The Marshall Project.

"The fentanyl takes away pain, and the Valium takes away anxiety. Both drugs are limited in their ability to do that, and of course neither is designed to block the pain or anxiety of death. So that's just a show," Zivot said.

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However, as a former organic chemist who takes no position on the death penalty, Bloom said that he thinks Nevada's new execution cocktail is humane.

The diazepam will put people to sleep, "so they won't feel the fentanyl hitting them, and then the muscle relaxant stops them from breathing," he said. "This would legitimately be a humane lethal injection. Absolutely, no question, it would work, assuming they give enough fentanyl -- and it doesn't take much."

purplerabbithole said:

the cops said it was pills. I think he probably could have forced down some pills and a bit of water. I know he was having trouble eating, but you can't go without water for more than 5 days. So, obviously during his last couple months, he was occasionally able to stomach enough water to take some pills.

Fentanyl comes into the system through either lolipops, mouth spray, tablets, or patches. But I don't think any of them have nearly that much fentanyl in them.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

he wouldn't have been able keep down a large quantity of pills, he had been throwing up for months...he injested the fatal dose another way...

[Edited 9/22/17 4:36am]

[Edited 9/22/17 4:39am]

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PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Why does it surprise people that the man who had everything made to order for the last 35 years, including his underpants, had the pills he had become habituated to made especially for him?

You don't 'accidentally' take that massive a dose of Fentenyl (according to the ME whose particular area of expertise, coincidentally, was/is Fentenyl intoxication) UNLESS you are ALREADY habituated to injesting enormous dosages of the drug. It was ruled accidental, not a homocide, for a reason.

Sadly, the only other plausible scenario is suicide. Don't let de-elevator bring you down.

[Edited 9/21/17 19:15pm]

That much fentanyl can be in the pills that are made illegally because of the way they cut them. It's hit and miss.

But only in Prince's batch. I get e-mail updates from the Star Tribune. I have not seen one newstory about anyone else in that tri-state area with this concoction in their system. This concoction is now being used as a death penatly drug in Nevada.

I am sorry only two things could have happened a suicide or given to him on purpose.

muleFunk said:

Too many look at the fact that he was "self medicating" but don't look at the fact that he was being seen by doctors. The mystery stems from the Bayer and Aleve bottles with the counterfeit pills and how they got into his possessions. The mystery stems from the amount that he had in his system was so great i has astounded seasoned DEA investigators. The mystery stems from the fact that no one in law enforcement has seen the same batch of 383 Watsons appear on the drug market anywhere in the world.

Yeah.... he was "self medicating".

Also people keep ignoring that he did not have this stuff in his system from test with Dr. S the day before and why would Dr. S be bringing test results to him if drug taking was his only problem.

No test for his overall physical fitness would be any good from the day before if it he was going to rehab the next day. The rehab would just have to do test again before in entered the facility.

He did not need a test to tell him he had joint pain or to tell him he used percocet in Moline.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

I wonder if he took 1 pill or a handful?

he wouldn't have been able keep down a large quantity of pills, he had been throwing up for months...he injested the fatal dose another way...

I think you're correct. Never thought of that.

PennyPurple said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think you're correct. Never thought of that.

He would not have had to swallow them, as potent as they were, if they dissolved in his mouth, he could have easily absorbed enough fentanyl sublingually to die...

This stuff can be absorded thru your skin. He was given a drug to help with vomiting and was not eating solid food per the chefs. So I doubt he was gobbling anything down that was solid and not vomiting for all we know he could have been having the dry heaves.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you have to go so bleak? Maybe it is something less extreme than the Caligula hell hole you sometimes imply (and I don't think he was grinding his heels into Mayte's love letters in 2016 ) and the quirky JW toyland that his casual friends (ie celebrity friends) depict. I choose to no go that bleak.

Of course, P had pain by the way. No one does what he does without having pain. Its just that the pain was probably also of the emotional and addictive variety as well.

it's dissapointing losing the man in that way is all I can say. I became a musician (failed I should say) because of him and to see him with all the accomplishment and success still somehow lose like that, it's a pretty hopeless feeling for me. In fact, i thought of quitting completely after he died, didn't practice for a good while. Took a whole lot out of me. I've asked myself if i'd have felt that way if he'd died in a car crash or something, i don't think it would feel like this. The guy holding up the torch and leading me jumped off a cliff with the flame. That's how it feels.

oh pete, i know. you adequately read my heart.