rogifan said:

Lovejunky said:

I read that....also I saw some guy on youtube..some rapper,

seriously dissing prince for making White Music...!!!!!!!

What is white music?

every asshole on youtube has got some opinion, doesn't mean much. but, prince was fusing black and white from early on, white meaning the harder rock guitar as on bambi, i'm your's, but also the punk aesthetics of dirty mind, even his dancing was more punk than funk back then. Also, the wierdness, when i was young, anything a little wierd was definitely not counted as "white" offbeat and eccentric was never part of coolness so i guess in that way, he was "white", even though he was just Prince.

PeteSilas said:

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said: What is white music?

every asshole on youtube has got some opinion, doesn't mean much. but, prince was fusing black and white from early on, white meaning the harder rock guitar as on bambi, i'm your's, but also the punk aesthetics of dirty mind, even his dancing was more punk than funk back then. Also, the wierdness, when i was young, anything a little wierd was definitely not counted as "white" offbeat and eccentric was never part of coolness so i guess in that way, he was "white", even though he was just Prince.

Ill try and find the youtube video..

It was a Rapper, and he was basically saying that Prince had SOld out and that his music was not Black enough...that he had whitewashed it...

I remember thinking...

WOW, this guy is a racist...LOL

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

every asshole on youtube has got some opinion, doesn't mean much. but, prince was fusing black and white from early on, white meaning the harder rock guitar as on bambi, i'm your's, but also the punk aesthetics of dirty mind, even his dancing was more punk than funk back then. Also, the wierdness, when i was young, anything a little wierd was definitely not counted as "white" offbeat and eccentric was never part of coolness so i guess in that way, he was "white", even though he was just Prince.

Ill try and find the youtube video..

It was a Rapper, and he was basically saying that Prince had SOld out and that his music was not Black enough...that he had whitewashed it...

I remember thinking...

WOW, this guy is a racist...LOL

i guess a lot of people said that in the purple rain era. He definitely was going for the crossover, no one can really deny that but he never really left the funk behind and he actually came back to black with a vengeance after Purple Rain, he lost lots of fans who didn't like the more soulful stuff going towards sign o the times, he also alienated lots of his black audience with some of the fem imagery. Prince had a long career and a long career like that is going to have ups and downs, by the time of the musicology comeback, i think it's safe to say he was a legend and loved by many people of many persuasions. I haven't heard a lot of people whining about him selling out for a long time, but yes, after PR there were those statements. Prince did what he wanted though really, he didn't let sales run his career at all, so in that way, whatever "selling out" he did with PR just opened the door for him to do whatever the fuck he wanted later with his own studio etc..,

PeteSilas said:

Lovejunky said:

Ill try and find the youtube video..

It was a Rapper, and he was basically saying that Prince had SOld out and that his music was not Black enough...that he had whitewashed it...

I remember thinking...

WOW, this guy is a racist...LOL

i guess a lot of people said that in the purple rain era. He definitely was going for the crossover, no one can really deny that but he never really left the funk behind and he actually came back to black with a vengeance after Purple Rain, he lost lots of fans who didn't like the more soulful stuff going towards sign o the times, he also alienated lots of his black audience with some of the fem imagery. Prince had a long career and a long career like that is going to have ups and downs, by the time of the musicology comeback, i think it's safe to say he was a legend and loved by many people of many persuasions. I haven't heard a lot of people whining about him selling out for a long time, but yes, after PR there were those statements. Prince did what he wanted though really, he didn't let sales run his career at all, so in that way, whatever "selling out" he did with PR just opened the door for him to do whatever the fuck he wanted later with his own studio etc..,

and dont

we just LOVE that fact that he did whatever the FUnCK he wanted....!!!!!!!

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

i guess a lot of people said that in the purple rain era. He definitely was going for the crossover, no one can really deny that but he never really left the funk behind and he actually came back to black with a vengeance after Purple Rain, he lost lots of fans who didn't like the more soulful stuff going towards sign o the times, he also alienated lots of his black audience with some of the fem imagery. Prince had a long career and a long career like that is going to have ups and downs, by the time of the musicology comeback, i think it's safe to say he was a legend and loved by many people of many persuasions. I haven't heard a lot of people whining about him selling out for a long time, but yes, after PR there were those statements. Prince did what he wanted though really, he didn't let sales run his career at all, so in that way, whatever "selling out" he did with PR just opened the door for him to do whatever the fuck he wanted later with his own studio etc..,

and dont

we just LOVE that fact that he did whatever the FUnCK he wanted....!!!!!!!

also, it is interesting to note that one of Prince's early mentors, I think his name was alexander Hamilton, who taught Prince in High School, has said he taught his students that they could have a number one on the black charts and that it didn't mean anything. Prince must have really taken those words to heart. Really though, i can't think of too many artists of his calibre who expressed his freedom in the way he did. when you have the three minute song for radio, there are many limitations, only the exceptional and the cutting edge are able to overcome that. What's important is that Prince was not a coward, he was artistically bold, he wasn't afraid of not selling, he did things so that he wouldn't sell just as much as he did things to ensure he did. Like I said, he pretty much did what the fuck he wanted as any great artist should.

Gotta love it when fairweather fans start coming to this site after Prince has died, to cast stones about the historic behaviour of long term hardcore fans who have been here through thick and thin, and perceived tolerable enough for Prince himself, who visited here.

I can say this from a relevetive position of safety (I've been here since the beginning and I remained supportive of nearly all of Prince work when others waivered); the heart of the org community was ripped out on April 22nd 2016, when the crazies arrived/returned, to either gossip, idolise or demonise.

SquirrelMeat said:

Gotta love it when fairweather fans start coming to this site after Prince has died, to cast stones about the historic behaviour of long term hardcore fans who have been here through thick and thin, and perceived tolerable enough for Prince himself, who visited here.

I can say this from a relevetive position of safety (I've been here since the beginning and I remained supportive of nearly all of Prince work when others waivered); the heart of the org community was ripped out on April 22nd 2016, when the crazies arrived/returned, to either gossip, idolise or demonise.

i've been banned twice, i would have maybe never left without that, i don't know. I don't think being a fan necessitates being part of a board like this. I think i'm a pretty balanced fan, everything the man did wasn't gold, he had some horrible faults, did horrible things but so has everyone. I'm a springsteen fan too, as big or bigger as I am of Prince, there aren't really any intersting sites for him or for elvis but the ones i have seen aren't like this. One thing they all have in common is that people act like they own you because they are a fan of yours. they get possessive, prince fans are more like that than any fans of anyone else. So, i take exception with your fairweather fan designation, i listen to the music, i watched his videos, i learned his music, i read bios about him and I don't need your definition of fan to call myself one.

PeteSilas said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Gotta love it when fairweather fans start coming to this site after Prince has died, to cast stones about the historic behaviour of long term hardcore fans who have been here through thick and thin, and perceived tolerable enough for Prince himself, who visited here.

I can say this from a relevetive position of safety (I've been here since the beginning and I remained supportive of nearly all of Prince work when others waivered); the heart of the org community was ripped out on April 22nd 2016, when the crazies arrived/returned, to either gossip, idolise or demonise.

i've been banned twice, i would have maybe never left without that, i don't know. I don't think being a fan necessitates being part of a board like this. I think i'm a pretty balanced fan, everything the man did wasn't gold, he had some horrible faults, did horrible things but so has everyone. I'm a springsteen fan too, as big or bigger as I am of Prince, there aren't really any intersting sites for him or for elvis but the ones i have seen aren't like this. One thing they all have in common is that people act like they own you because they are a fan of yours. they get possessive, prince fans are more like that than any fans of anyone else. So, i take exception with your fairweather fan designation, i listen to the music, i watched his videos, i learned his music, i read bios about him and I don't need your definition of fan to call myself one.

But I know you, I know you aren't a fairweather fan.

Besides, I like Purple & Gold. I'm a lost cause.

SquirrelMeat said:

Gotta love it when fairweather fans start coming to this site after Prince has died, to cast stones about the historic behaviour of long term hardcore fans who have been here through thick and thin, and perceived tolerable enough for Prince himself, who visited here.

I can say this from a relevetive position of safety (I've been here since the beginning and I remained supportive of nearly all of Prince work when others waivered); the heart of the org community was ripped out on April 22nd 2016, when the crazies arrived/returned, to either gossip, idolise or demonise.

There are people who were talking ish the morning of April 21, until this thread was posted:

http://prince.org/msg/7/423313

There were people here talking smack after the Moline incident.

There were people here talking smack after HnR phase 1 was released.

There were people here talking smack after AoA and PE were released.

Not just critique and reviews of his music. Personal attacks.

Many of those involved were "long term hardcore fans". Several didn't post here afterwards for months.

Well I remember alt.music.prince being prince.hate.central. It's funny tho because one of the main albums that got shat upon was Newpowersoul and I actually like it so much more now. No, not because he died, but because it's a good bit of fun. Look, people, Prince is was genius but he was also an egocentric asshole. Let's just accept it for what it was. I don't regret any negativity I spewed on AMP. I just know that I much preferred the mystery that existed before the Internet became our lives. And I'll be on board with whatever the estate whats to offer. But please, people, Prince may not have been Hilter but he wasn't fuckin' Gandhi either.

I admit I was very angry during the ´Kirky J years´ (96-2000) and I dont regret it

Because I always thought Prince was SO great that I knew he was capable of delivering better stuff (IMO) than he was releasing. But I never hated him. Only felt bored.

PeteSilas said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Gotta love it when fairweather fans start coming to this site after Prince has died, to cast stones about the historic behaviour of long term hardcore fans who have been here through thick and thin, and perceived tolerable enough for Prince himself, who visited here.

I can say this from a relevetive position of safety (I've been here since the beginning and I remained supportive of nearly all of Prince work when others waivered); the heart of the org community was ripped out on April 22nd 2016, when the crazies arrived/returned, to either gossip, idolise or demonise.

i've been banned twice, i would have maybe never left without that, i don't know. I don't think being a fan necessitates being part of a board like this. I think i'm a pretty balanced fan, everything the man did wasn't gold, he had some horrible faults, did horrible things but so has everyone. I'm a springsteen fan too, as big or bigger as I am of Prince, there aren't really any intersting sites for him or for elvis but the ones i have seen aren't like this. One thing they all have in common is that people act like they own you because they are a fan of yours. they get possessive, prince fans are more like that than any fans of anyone else. So, i take exception with your fairweather fan designation, i listen to the music, i watched his videos, i learned his music, i read bios about him and I don't need your definition of fan to call myself one.

why did you take SquirrelMeat's post so personal? Did he address it to you?

GustavoRibas said:

I admit I was very angry during the ´Kirky J years´ (96-2000) and I dont regret it

Because I always thought Prince was SO great that I knew he was capable of delivering better stuff (IMO) than he was releasing. But I never hated him. Only felt bored.

And no one should feel bad or shamed for not liking an album or period. This is (or was) a site of sometimes brutal honesty. Maybe that's why Prince came here.

Many people would attack the likes of Bart or VainAndy, for being 'stuck in the past', but there is no rule that you must like new material to remain a fan and those accused probably have more Prince knowledge in their little finger than the people accusing them.

There is a danger the crazies want to whitewash Prince's weaker material and 'call out' those that don't agree with them. The reality is, they weren't here is the more difficult years and they probably don't own all of the discography.

Everything is in context of the period, and not the nostalgic glasses it can be view through now.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

i've been banned twice, i would have maybe never left without that, i don't know. I don't think being a fan necessitates being part of a board like this. I think i'm a pretty balanced fan, everything the man did wasn't gold, he had some horrible faults, did horrible things but so has everyone. I'm a springsteen fan too, as big or bigger as I am of Prince, there aren't really any intersting sites for him or for elvis but the ones i have seen aren't like this. One thing they all have in common is that people act like they own you because they are a fan of yours. they get possessive, prince fans are more like that than any fans of anyone else. So, i take exception with your fairweather fan designation, i listen to the music, i watched his videos, i learned his music, i read bios about him and I don't need your definition of fan to call myself one.

why did you take SquirrelMeat's post so personal?

Did he address it to you?

He mighta been adressing me..I dont know

but I didnt take it personally becasue he doesnt KNOW ME at all...

Lovejunky said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why did you take SquirrelMeat's post so personal?

Did he address it to you?

He mighta been adressing me..I dont know

but I didnt take it personally becasue he doesnt KNOW ME at all...

at any rate there are smart people here who have a lot great to say, i'm not elitist in the least but i don't see a whole lot on the elvis/mj/springsteen boards that really interest me, most of their fans are pretty basic fans, which is fine, but I tend to look at the whole package of an artist so their nuances, imperfections, ups and downs interest me a lot and so there isn't much of interest to me on their boards but they are good fans in general, at least the ones i've last checked out. Just not enough depth for me personally to join them. there are some thoughtful, bright people here, always were.

I think it is interesting how some people here want to down play or justify nastiess towards Prince on the threads. I have seen some pretty nasty stuff being said about him before and after his death. This is a fact. It is sad how after his death all of a sudden you had all these crazy people who wanted to demonized him for his cause of death and having no will. I thought it said a lot about about people who did that. Some people just needed to get off the boat a long time ago because if Prince was such a horrible this and that, Why bother with him? And I don't want to hear crap about "constructive criticism". Hitting below the belt and finding fault with every is not "constructive criticism".

SquirrelMeat said:

GustavoRibas said:

I admit I was very angry during the ´Kirky J years´ (96-2000) and I dont regret it

Because I always thought Prince was SO great that I knew he was capable of delivering better stuff (IMO) than he was releasing. But I never hated him. Only felt bored.

And no one should feel bad or shamed for not liking an album or period. This is (or was) a site of sometimes brutal honesty. Maybe that's why Prince came here.

Many people would attack the likes of Bart or VainAndy, for being 'stuck in the past', but there is no rule that you must like new material to remain a fan and those accused probably have more Prince knowledge in their little finger than the people accusing them.

There is a danger the crazies want to whitewash Prince's weaker material and 'call out' those that don't agree with them. The reality is, they weren't here is the more difficult years and they probably don't own all of the discography.

Everything is in context of the period, and not the nostalgic glasses it can be view through now.

vainandy was a great poster, i don't see him around much anymore but he gave reasons why he didn't like periods and they were valid reasons. he stated the reason he did not like parade was mainly because the single was kiss and he said the whole album was nothing like kiss, he was right. He was one of the fans who would have been happy if prince had kept right on in the style of 1999/purple rain, he had some great arguements, nothing wrong with a thing he said, i didn't agree with him but could see why he said some of the things he said.

I agree, most of us said some mess over the years. I particularly slamducked him for putting out Boytrouble, but I found one thread from 2002 which slams Tony M to hell, these people are calling hima turd and threatening to kill him.

.

I won't post it, but look up "Shittiest rappers" and it will come up on the first page. I didn't join until 2005, so I wrote none of that shit. Now people are interviewing and no matter how mediocre something it, we usually buy it. How many of us bought 4ever and are going to buy the new Michael Jackson playlist release on the 29th? - exactly.

Adorecream said:

I agree, most of us said some mess over the years. I particularly slamducked him for putting out Boytrouble, but I found one thread from 2002 which slams Tony M to hell, these people are calling hima turd and threatening to kill him.

.

I won't post it, but look up "Shittiest rappers" and it will come up on the first page. I didn't join until 2005, so I wrote none of that shit. Now people are interviewing and no matter how mediocre something it, we usually buy it. How many of us bought 4ever and are going to buy the new Michael Jackson playlist release on the 29th? - exactly.

ya, there are a few favorite punching bags on the org, larry is one, tony m is another. I never liked rap period so i never had a valid opinion on how good/bad tony was. I'll say this, i love his recent interviews, he's a very articulate guy who had a lot of interesting things to say.

Look, people, Prince is was genius but he was also an egocentric asshole. Let's just accept it for what it was.

Prince had his moments...that's for sure. But stop talking down to people who don't want to generalize and demonize Prince as if his only traits were those of an "egocentric asshole". NOne of us knew him personally but most of us can agree that he was a complex mass of contradictions with good and bad sides.. Trying to give a hard working and very private musician the benefit of the doubt is not an indication of sanctification. Any kind of artistic genius is not just an an egomaniac. Where is his inspiration?--just self love?

homesquid said:

Well I remember alt.music.prince being prince.hate.central. It's funny tho because one of the main albums that got shat upon was Newpowersoul and I actually like it so much more now. No, not because he died, but because it's a good bit of fun. Look, people, Prince is was genius but he was also an egocentric asshole. Let's just accept it for what it was. I don't regret any negativity I spewed on AMP. I just know that I much preferred the mystery that existed before the Internet became our lives. And I'll be on board with whatever the estate whats to offer. But please, people, Prince may not have been Hilter but he wasn't fuckin' Gandhi either.

[Edited 9/8/17 4:42am]

PeteSilas said:

Adorecream said:

I agree, most of us said some mess over the years. I particularly slamducked him for putting out Boytrouble, but I found one thread from 2002 which slams Tony M to hell, these people are calling hima turd and threatening to kill him.

.

I won't post it, but look up "Shittiest rappers" and it will come up on the first page. I didn't join until 2005, so I wrote none of that shit. Now people are interviewing and no matter how mediocre something it, we usually buy it. How many of us bought 4ever and are going to buy the new Michael Jackson playlist release on the 29th? - exactly.

ya, there are a few favorite punching bags on the org, larry is one, tony m is another. I never liked rap period so i never had a valid opinion on how good/bad tony was. I'll say this, i love his recent interviews, he's a very articulate guy who had a lot of interesting things to say.

Exactly, he is deep and remembered well, there is a great interview with Peach and Black from late 2016 and Tony remembered it all, even when Prince docked him $500 for going skydiving on a tour day off "He asked if it was fun, and said was it worth $500 worth of fun?".

.

He is like an accountant now and kind of mentioned the rap was just a alternate way of making some money. He knew that there was a lot of hatred as well, and was a decent guy.

droppingdishes said:

Prince may have been nastier to the Org than the Org ever was to Prince. Let's face it.

PeteSilas said:

lemoncrush19 said:

jazzz said:

There was this Dutch guy called Burt or Bart. He used to be the most negative of all. I wonder if he has changed his tone by now... hope Prince never read this dude's contributions )-:

Bart Vanhelmenen or something like that. I thought he was Suid Afrikanse Boer, with some of his opinions.

Adorecream said:

jazzz said:

There was this Dutch guy called Burt or Bart. He used to be the most negative of all. I wonder if he has changed his tone by now... hope Prince never read this dude's contributions )-:

Bart Vanhelmenen or something like that. I thought he was Suid Afrikanse Boer, with some of his opinions.

.

You are praising the whites in South Africa now.

Bart is a pseudonym.

Please spell it correctly.

udo said:

Adorecream said:

Bart Vanhelmenen or something like that. I thought he was Suid Afrikanse Boer, with some of his opinions.

.

You are praising the whites in South Africa now.

Bart is a pseudonym.

Please spell it correctly.

Opposite Udo, I was suggesting his views were so anti black and so right wing, he was too racist be Dutch which are generally very open minded people, but more like the close minded xenophobic racist Boers, who are getting their just desserts after 400 years of oppressing the African people.

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Also I speak English not Dutch and do not know how to spell his name properly, I am not Mr megabrain.

1725topp said: