rogifan said:

leadline said:

Much like how our history should not be erased, neither should Prince's music with profanity. It is who we were at that time, and it is who he was at that time. Knowing what got us to where we are, and what got Prince to where he was, the experiences, good and bad, are important.

OK so do you think every song in the vault has to be released otherwise we’re erasing history? What if everyone working on the vault agreed a certain song wasn’t very good. Does it still have to be released so as to not erase history? IMO someone needs to curate the vault and make judgement calls on what gets released. I don’t want it all out there because I’m not convinced it’s all good. Mostly because as much as Prince wrote and recorded it’s impossible for everything to be good. And I certainly don’t want unfinished music to be finished by someone else in essence making it their own music.

Erased, surpressed, same result.

Yes, if a song is horrible, I am fine with them not releasing those, even though us hardcore fans would still like to hear it to say for ourselves, yeah, Prince was right to never release that, or, to simply hear what the experiment of the day was.

I am fine with unfinished vault material, most of the stuff in there is unfinished, in the sense that they are basic tracks to get the idea down quickly and then move onto the next song that is in his mind. That was his process, get the idea out quickly and when it is fresh, put it aside, come back to it later if it's deemed worthy or appropriate for a release.

I use Diamonds and Pearls as an example, what we hear on the boot version is just that, basic tracks. He decided to come back to it and finish it, and wow, what a difference from the basic tracks. It's unfortunate we will never get to hear all these tracks as finished tracks, but I am ok with that.

Unfinished tracks from a post production perspective, or, songs that are incomplete, should never be touched under any circumstance imo, it would be a travesty for anyone else other than Prince to make adds. I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to hear this stuff AS IS. It is not for anyone else to assume what he would have done, or take their own liberties with his music.

I dont think there is much shitty music in the vault. Of all of Prince's released songs, there are about 3 that I dont like. And he said so himself, the best music is still unreleased. So the quality may very well be up there with the quantity. We shall see.

I cant think of a better way to honor Prince other than to release as much of his original work as possible, sexy ass cuss words and all. Continuing to add to his legacy, legend and catalog is the best way to honor him. Just listen to "We Can Fuck" in all of its extended glory and tell me that should not have been released.

DarkKnight1 said:

I cant think of a better way to honor Prince other than to release as much of his original work as possible, sexy ass cuss words and all. Continuing to add to his legacy, legend and catalog is the best way to honor him. Just listen to "We Can Fuck" in all of its extended glory and tell me that should not have been released.

Perfect example. Nobody can argue that the song isn't top quality, the mother of all the other versions. To keep this hidden because of a curse word is tantamount to blasphemy.

does WB STILL have access to the 100 songs they were given???

rossamoran said:

He's gone - it doesn't matter anymore. Whatever afterlife there is (or isn't), his life here is done. A few curse words won't change anything now.

Yep, release it all. I have complete faith that anything Prince didn't want us to hear is not in the vault nor anywhere else. Enough faith to say that people who think differently are clueless because the man we all knew would have taken care of HIS business. And please...don't throw that shit out there "well why didn't he leave a will" because I think that was exactly how he wanted to leave things. I trust he knew what he was doing. And I am good with that.

Mumio said:

Yep, release it all. I have complete faith that anything Prince didn't want us to hear is not in the vault nor anywhere else. Enough faith to say that people who think differently are clueless because the man we all knew would have taken care of HIS business. And please...don't throw that shit out there "well why didn't he leave a will" because I think that was exactly how he wanted to leave things. I trust he knew what he was doing. And I am good with that.

He wanted to leave things up in the air, ambiguos and out of control? Sounds like the way he did business.

DarkKnight1 said:

I cant think of a better way to honor Prince other than to release as much of his original work as possible, sexy ass cuss words and all. Continuing to add to his legacy, legend and catalog is the best way to honor him. Just listen to "We Can Fuck" in all of its extended glory and tell me that should not have been released.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Mumio said:

Yep, release it all. I have complete faith that anything Prince didn't want us to hear is not in the vault nor anywhere else. Enough faith to say that people who think differently are clueless because the man we all knew would have taken care of HIS business. And please...don't throw that shit out there "well why didn't he leave a will" because I think that was exactly how he wanted to leave things. I trust he knew what he was doing. And I am good with that.

He wanted to leave things up in the air, ambiguos and out of control? Sounds like the way he did business.

He took care of the things he thought were important and didn't bother with anything else because he didn't care about it.

Mumio said:

Yep, release it all. I have complete faith that anything Prince didn't want us to hear is not in the vault nor anywhere else. Enough faith to say that people who think differently are clueless because the man we all knew would have taken care of HIS business. And please...don't throw that shit out there "well why didn't he leave a will" because I think that was exactly how he wanted to leave things. I trust he knew what he was doing. And I am good with that.

i think he didnt leave a will so there would be NOTHING to contest or leave in the hands of ruthless people

They were ABSOLUTELY right to release it, but, they were wrong to claim he approved it. If they didn't claim it, they at least implied it, or, wanted people to infer that he approved it.

luvsexy4all said:

Mumio said:

Yep, release it all. I have complete faith that anything Prince didn't want us to hear is not in the vault nor anywhere else. Enough faith to say that people who think differently are clueless because the man we all knew would have taken care of HIS business. And please...don't throw that shit out there "well why didn't he leave a will" because I think that was exactly how he wanted to leave things. I trust he knew what he was doing. And I am good with that.

i think he didnt leave a will so there would be NOTHING to contest or leave in the hands of ruthless people

Meanwhile the material ISN'T in the hands of the family. What a dumb move not to leave a will.

rogifan said:

rossamoran said:

Everything Prince did is now a part of musical history and even though in his later years he was against the use of profanity, certain aspects of his career cannot be shut out solely cos it contains raunchier material. Everything in that vault was meant to be heard so please, to the Estate and to WB, don't hold back! RELEASE EVERYTHING!

Everything vault was meant to be heard? Says who?

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Exactly. Good f'ing question.

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It ain't all good and he didn't release a lot of it for a reason.

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WTF is it with some "fams/friends/whatever" that makes them think they're somehow ENTITLED to anything from the Vault, let alone EVERYthing?

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I say, keep the vault vaulted. Let his vast already-released body of work speak for itself.

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Why sully his rep with a bunch of guesswork by people who don't know what he wanted released or how he would've wanted it released (if at all).

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No one has to agree - but here's one inarguable fact: there is nothing saying anything - let alone everything - in the vault was meant to be heard.

CAL3 said:

rogifan said:

rossamoran said: Everything vault was meant to be heard? Says who?

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Exactly. Good f'ing question.

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It ain't all good and he didn't release a lot of it for a reason.

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WTF is it with some "fams/friends/whatever" that makes them think they're somehow ENTITLED to anything from the Vault, let alone EVERYthing?

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I say, keep the vault vaulted. Let his vast already-released body of work speak for itself.

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Why sully his rep with a bunch of guesswork by people who don't know what he wanted released or how he would've wanted it released (if at all).

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No one has to agree - but here's one inarguable fact: there is nothing saying anything - let alone everything - in the vault was meant to be heard.

And there isn't anything saying, let alone everything, was not meant to be heard.

You're wielding a double edge sword.

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rogifan said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Why stop there? Why not censor anything that implies anything "dirty".

How about they release everything they can and you don't listen to the songs you don't want to hear?

Please don't let the guilt ridden folks win out on this one

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Because we know Prince’s feelings on curse words (whether you agree with them or not). As far as music that doesn’t contain curse words but is “dirty” I guess judgement calls will have to be made. But I’m talking about really dirty stuff not just innuendo. No matter what is released judgements will need to be made as to weather it’s good enough to put out. Unless they decide to put everything out which I think would be a mistake. There’s no way everything in the vault is great or even good. Someone is going to have to curate it.

Well, gee, that's just too bad. His dislike of curse words in his later life does not erase the entire first half of his career. I'm sorry, no. He had the option of a vote, and he didn't take it, so he loses this one. Just don't get those particular items if you feel it's against your conscience. Those of us who do not have an issue with it can buy them. That's just how life works. He sure as hell wasn't against getting the money from those older cds with the cursing in them, so... I don't really care if he chose not to curse in later life. That's his personal decision.

Here's what they should do:

Release everything... but Prince doesn't want to be putting Spooky Electric into the world, right? So include even more songs (and liner notes) from spiritual Prince so young listeners walk away from the CD feeling like they've been to the dark side and later been led on a spiritual journey guided by Prince's life work.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

CAL3 said:

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Exactly. Good f'ing question.

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It ain't all good and he didn't release a lot of it for a reason.

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WTF is it with some "fams/friends/whatever" that makes them think they're somehow ENTITLED to anything from the Vault, let alone EVERYthing?

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I say, keep the vault vaulted. Let his vast already-released body of work speak for itself.

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Why sully his rep with a bunch of guesswork by people who don't know what he wanted released or how he would've wanted it released (if at all).

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No one has to agree - but here's one inarguable fact: there is nothing saying anything - let alone everything - in the vault was meant to be heard.

And there isn't anything saying, let alone everything, was not meant to be heard.

You're wielding a double edge sword.

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I disagree. I think that Prince's total lack of a posthumous release plan says everything that needs to be said.

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What I'm interested in is where this "release everything" mentality comes from. Why would any fan who respects the artistry of Prince be of the mindset that the marketplace should be flooded with every stray musical scrap he ever committed to tape?

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He released what he wanted to release. The choice to NOT release something implies "not intended for public consumption."

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Does nothing remain private after a person dies? I believe it should.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

luvsexy4all said:

i think he didnt leave a will so there would be NOTHING to contest or leave in the hands of ruthless people

Meanwhile the material ISN'T in the hands of the family. What a dumb move not to leave a will.

Even with a will there's the strong possibility that things wouldn't be in the hands of the family yet. My Mum died in December, had a clear and concise will and it still took nearly 7 months to go through probate and everything else which needed to be sorted. And she had cock all, I can only imagine things would take much longer with an estate like Prince's and all the challenges and demands which would come against that estate and need to be dealt with.

In fact, now that the judge has ruled that the siblings are the heirs the will would be done with anyway. All the legal stuff would still be dragging on just the same though.

rogifan said:

rossamoran said:

Everything Prince did is now a part of musical history and even though in his later years he was against the use of profanity, certain aspects of his career cannot be shut out solely cos it contains raunchier material. Everything in that vault was meant to be heard so please, to the Estate and to WB, don't hold back! RELEASE EVERYTHING!

Everything vault was meant to be heard? Says who?

When he was directly asked about the vault of unreleased songs he said, "One day, someone will release them."

Go to 2:30 to hear the question and answer.



We also know from the example of Wally that he was happy to erase stuff that he didn't want people to hear. So I think it's fair to assume that everything in the vault is fair game to be released now.

If Prince didn't want the song heard he would have deleted it, simple as that

CAL3 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And there isn't anything saying, let alone everything, was not meant to be heard.

You're wielding a double edge sword.

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I disagree. I think that Prince's total lack of a posthumous release plan says everything that needs to be said.

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What I'm interested in is where this "release everything" mentality comes from. Why would any fan who respects the artistry of Prince be of the mindset that the marketplace should be flooded with every stray musical scrap he ever committed to tape?

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He released what he wanted to release. The choice to NOT release something implies "not intended for public consumption."

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Does nothing remain private after a person dies? I believe it should.

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It does say everything. It says he didn't give a shit. What did he think would happen if he left no directive?

BTW I am not one who wants every scrap released, however on the cursing hell yes, let all of it come out. For those who don't like it, don't buy it.

BEAUGARDE said:

If Prince didn't want the song heard he would have deleted it, simple as that

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Oh is that a fact??

CAL3 said:

rogifan said:

CAL3 said:

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I disagree. I think that Prince's total lack of a posthumous release plan says everything that needs to be said.

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What I'm interested in is where this "release everything" mentality comes from. Why would any fan who respects the artistry of Prince be of the mindset that the marketplace should be flooded with every stray musical scrap he ever committed to tape?

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He released what he wanted to release. The choice to NOT release something implies "not intended for public consumption."

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Does nothing remain private after a person dies? I believe it should.

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I’m not someone who says nothing should be released and obviously from his comments on The View he was assuming someone would release stuff once he’s no longer here. But I don’t think it should all come out because I doubt every single thing in the vault is good. Prince recorded so much it’s near impossible for all of it to be worthy of release. Also his feelings on profanity later in his life weren’t a secret so why would he need to leave instructions about it?

Because his feelings are meaningless. He had ways of preventing songs with cursing on them from being released and he did nothing.

rogifan said:

CAL3 said:

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I disagree. I think that Prince's total lack of a posthumous release plan says everything that needs to be said.

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What I'm interested in is where this "release everything" mentality comes from. Why would any fan who respects the artistry of Prince be of the mindset that the marketplace should be flooded with every stray musical scrap he ever committed to tape?

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He released what he wanted to release. The choice to NOT release something implies "not intended for public consumption."

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Does nothing remain private after a person dies? I believe it should.

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I’m not someone who says nothing should be released and obviously from his comments on The View he was assuming someone would release stuff once he’s no longer here. But I don’t think it should all come out because I doubt every single thing in the vault is good. Prince recorded so much it’s near impossible for all of it to be worthy of release. Also his feelings on profanity later in his life weren’t a secret so why would he need to leave instructions about it?

It is also near impossible to create the amout of work he created while maintaining a ridiculous high quality throughout so many songs. And he said himself, the best stuff is still in the vault. I say release it all and let the fans be the ultimate judge.

The profanity thing, well, even Prince understood that is who he was at that time, the rest of the world is smart enough to understand that too, so, yes, even songs with swears should be released. Releasing a song from the 80's or 90's with swears in it does not change who he became later in life, it only brings focus to how he transcended his former self to become what he though to be the best version of himself. The full gamet of who he was, along the entire journey of his life is the proper way to do it.

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leadline said:

rogifan said:

CAL3 said: I’m not someone who says nothing should be released and obviously from his comments on The View he was assuming someone would release stuff once he’s no longer here. But I don’t think it should all come out because I doubt every single thing in the vault is good. Prince recorded so much it’s near impossible for all of it to be worthy of release. Also his feelings on profanity later in his life weren’t a secret so why would he need to leave instructions about it?

It is also near impossible to create the amout of work he created while maintaining a ridiculous high quality throughout so many songs. And he said himself, the best stuff is still in the vault. I say release it all and let the fans be the ultimate judge.

The profanity thing, well, even Prince understood that is who he was at that time, the rest of the world is smart enough to understand that too, so, yes, even songs with swears should be released. Releasing a song from the 80's or 90's with swears in it does not change who he became later in life, it only brings focus to how he transcended his former self to become what he though to be the best version of himself. The full gamet of who he was, along the entire journey of his life is the proper way to do it.

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Exactly! Well said, leadline!

leadline said:

It is also near impossible to create the amout of work he created while maintaining a ridiculous high quality throughout so many songs. And he said himself, the best stuff is still in the vault. I say release it all and let the fans be the ultimate judge.

The profanity thing, well, even Prince understood that is who he was at that time, the rest of the world is smart enough to understand that too, so, yes, even songs with swears should be released. Releasing a song from the 80's or 90's with swears in it does not change who he became later in life, it only brings focus to how he transcended his former self to become what he though to be the best version of himself. The full gamet of who he was, along the entire journey of his life is the proper way to do it.

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It's always good too for people to remember that Prince the musician/showman was different than Prince the private person. I can easily separate one from the other and still have appreciation for both.

leadline said:

rogifan said:

CAL3 said: I’m not someone who says nothing should be released and obviously from his comments on The View he was assuming someone would release stuff once he’s no longer here. But I don’t think it should all come out because I doubt every single thing in the vault is good. Prince recorded so much it’s near impossible for all of it to be worthy of release. Also his feelings on profanity later in his life weren’t a secret so why would he need to leave instructions about it?

It is also near impossible to create the amout of work he created while maintaining a ridiculous high quality throughout so many songs. And he said himself, the best stuff is still in the vault. I say release it all and let the fans be the ultimate judge.

The profanity thing, well, even Prince understood that is who he was at that time, the rest of the world is smart enough to understand that too, so, yes, even songs with swears should be released. Releasing a song from the 80's or 90's with swears in it does not change who he became later in life, it only brings focus to how he transcended his former self to become what he though to be the best version of himself. The full gamet of who he was, along the entire journey of his life is the proper way to do it.

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How would you know? That's the line we've been fed all these years. So far, based on what has surfaced officially and unofficially, that claim has proven hyperbolic.

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