The second half contains a really depressing account of the destruction of his relationship with Susannah Songs like Empty Room, Crystal Ball, Big Tall Wall, and Wally.

PurpleYoda3121 said:

The second half contains a really depressing account of the destruction of his relationship with Susannah Songs like Empty Room, Crystal Ball, Big Tall Wall, and Wally.

You forgot to mention 101. And on volume 5, there's Come Home.

djThunderfunk said:

james said:

Ah! That makes more sense then. I just misunderstood.

I still wonder why 1/4 of the tracks are on there though if there's better versions available.

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I'm not knocking the set, just wondering why they would include inferior versions?

is there a Bootleger "code of ethics" where they don't steal from each other's releases!??

Ethics? EYE includes tracks that are STILL legally available to purchase. They're all about the $$.

if a cool million was offered to "them" ...would stereo perfect tracks be released??? no joke...

scififilmnerd said:

PurpleYoda3121 said:

The second half contains a really depressing account of the destruction of his relationship with Susannah Songs like Empty Room, Crystal Ball, Big Tall Wall, and Wally.

You forgot to mention 101. And on volume 5, there's Come Home.

Ohhh, I didn't know those 2 songs were about her too!

luvsexy4all said:

djThunderfunk said:

Ethics? EYE includes tracks that are STILL legally available to purchase. They're all about the $$.

if a cool million was offered to "them" ...would stereo perfect tracks be released??? no joke...

Do you mean offering money to the 'elite'? Nah.

The content of the vault WILL be released. Its just a matter of time.

Prince left a trail of contractual and financial destruction and money will always talk. Along the way, various parties will claim to 'protect his legacy' but its clear that they either lack the knowledge, capacity or commitment to follow through.

We are seeing huge leaks already as traders cut loose, realising their hoard will decrease in value, collaborators will realise Prince ain't going to be peeved with them anymore and pride wants to offer up association.

The only real future value in '3lite3 Coll3ctors' is if some vault material has degraded to a lower quality than the collectors and traders have to offer.

I'm really enjoying this so far! I'm not the most up to date collector, so some of these were new to me that may not be new to others. Here's my take so far of Disc 1:

Soft and Wet #1: A nice, if unessential glimpse at the development of his first single. Interesting to hear the different lyrics. The "dee dee dum dee dee dum" bass mimicking is pretty fun! Rating: 7

Soft and Wet #2: Another take, slightly closer to the final version, and as such, a little better, IMO. Rating: 7.5

Miss You: A nice, breezy acoustic ballad that would have fit in nicely on For You, and better than a few of the ballads that did make it. Rating: 6.5

Rough: I love the grittiness of the Dirty Mind era, and this fits right in with the raw hunger. Rating: 8

Feel U Up: The more complete '81 demo is a revelation, and this is an interesting take, cutting out the definitive synth during the first part (though I swear I can hear a bit of it bleed through here and there). A nice glimpse of the evolution of the track, but not as worthy. Rating: 7

Broken: I've always liked this little jaunt. The start of his full ventures into rockabilly? Rating: 8

Strange Way (Of Saying I Love You): Now THIS is a treat! The brightness of those cute keys are right up my alley, and the vocals are just lovely. The whimsy of it all is rare for his early career, and it foreshadows a song like "Neon Telephone" a bit. I like the backstory of this track being a sort of "make up" song to Lisa. Rating: 9.5

Do Yourself a Favour: A longtime favorite. The spritely synths, the propulsive groove, and the drumming are real treats. The leap in confidence in the early 80s is wonderful to witness. The Jamie Starr section always cracks me up. Rating: 9.5

Turn It Up: I've long loved the manic energy of this track, which sits squarely between Controversy and 1999. Come on play with my controls! Rating: 9.5

Moonbeam Levels: Best song ever, IMO. I could go on for pages about it, but needless to say, it is super meaningful to me. Rating: ∞

Jungle Love: Cool to hear this early instrumental take. The MPLS sound was unstoppable. Rating: 8

Wet Dream's Cousin: I think one of Prince's more underrated assets is his ability to create such wonderfully strange synth sounds, and it's on fully display here. Rating: 8

Wonderful Ass: GREAT to have the early version of this, where the synths jump out even more. A well-deserved favorite among his outtakes. Rating: 9

Velvet Kitty Cat: Certainly a bit of a throwaway track, but I can fall for throwaway tracks like nobody's business. Again, the synths steal the show for me. Rating: 7

My Love Belongs to You: A hypnotic, droning instrumental that sure sounds like it's headed toward Purple Rain. The interplay between the synths, the thick bass, and the increasingly prominent guitar. Rating: 7.5

Sex Shooter: Long a favorite of mine, the phlanged beat and sulty bass line has be ready to hop aboard a pole. Denise sounds like she owns the inherent lust of the song better than Apollonia. Rating: 9

Wednesday: Sweet little artefact, but I can see why it was left out of Purple Rain. Rating: 7

[Edited 7/26/17 17:42pm]

dinnerparty said:

I actually paid for these but I now have to buy a 30 dollar program to open these files. I hope that son of a bitch seller rots in hell.

Wait, what? What the hell format did you buy them in? There is surely a freeware/opensource solution. More info?

dinnerparty said:

I actually paid for these but I now have to buy a 30 dollar program to open these files. I hope that son of a bitch seller rots in hell.

No idea why you needed to pay for them, but they're probably just zipped up in a RAR file. You just need something like 7-zip, a free, safe program that will open it up for you http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

In my opinion, people shouldn't even pay for physical copies of bootlegs, much less files that are free to anyone with a search engine. Just sayin', if you were able to find someone selling, you can find someone sharing.

dinnerparty said:

I actually paid for these but I now have to buy a 30 dollar program to open these files. I hope that son of a bitch seller rots in hell.

Shame that you paid for them but you shouldn't have to pay to play. What is the name of the files, or more specifically what is the file extension, then bit at the end, will be something like .zip, .7z .exe
etc.

And what platform are yo on, Windows/Mac/other?

airth said:

dinnerparty said:

I actually paid for these but I now have to buy a 30 dollar program to open these files. I hope that son of a bitch seller rots in hell.

No idea why you needed to pay for them, but they're probably just zipped up in a RAR file. You just need something like 7-zip, a free, safe program that will open it up for you http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

mcmk785new said:

From Neversin's list posted here 2 years ago Broken faucets... Soon, I guess... "High School 1975-1976 Video" "You're A Machine" "̶R̶o̶u̶g̶h̶"̶ "Sister+ (Brass Bed)" "Dancing Flue" "Make U Mine" "Rain Demo" "Strange Way" 1981 Controversy "Rough Cut" Video "Vagina" "̶W̶e̶d̶n̶e̶s̶d̶a̶y̶"̶ (Jill Jones vox only) "The Dance Electric Rehearsal + Dub versions" Prince's "Family" (Screams of Passion leaked...) "Romance 1600 instrumental jams" "Little Rock Demo" "̶H̶i̶g̶h̶ ̶C̶a̶l̶o̶n̶i̶c̶"̶ "̶R̶u̶n̶ ̶A̶m̶o̶k̶"̶ "̶H̶o̶r̶n̶y̶ ̶P̶o̶n̶y̶ ̶D̶e̶m̶o̶"̶ ̶ "̶B̶i̶g̶ ̶T̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶W̶a̶l̶l̶"̶ "Birthday 1986 Uncut Video" "̶C̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶E̶l̶e̶k̶t̶r̶a̶ ̶T̶u̶e̶s̶d̶a̶y̶"̶ "Cosmic Day" "Camden 1988 Video" "In A Large Room With No Light Jam" "Girls Will B Girls" "̶B̶y̶ ̶A̶l̶i̶e̶n̶s̶ ̶M̶e̶a̶n̶s̶"̶ "The Dawn" "Bloody Mouth" "Dance With The Devil" [Edited 7/28/17 12:55pm]

Will the Full Cosmic Day ever get leaked. It remains my most sought after track.

mcmk785new said:

From Neversin's list posted here 2 years ago Broken faucets... Soon, I guess... "High School 1975-1976 Video" "You're A Machine" "̶R̶o̶u̶g̶h̶"̶ "Sister+ (Brass Bed)" "Dancing Flue" "Make U Mine" "Rain Demo" "Strange Way" 1981 Controversy "Rough Cut" Video "Vagina" "̶W̶e̶d̶n̶e̶s̶d̶a̶y̶"̶ (Jill Jones vox only) "The Dance Electric Rehearsal + Dub versions" Prince's "Family" (Screams of Passion leaked...) "Romance 1600 instrumental jams" "Little Rock Demo" "̶H̶i̶g̶h̶ ̶C̶a̶l̶o̶n̶i̶c̶"̶ "̶R̶u̶n̶ ̶A̶m̶o̶k̶"̶ "̶H̶o̶r̶n̶y̶ ̶P̶o̶n̶y̶ ̶D̶e̶m̶o̶"̶ ̶ "̶B̶i̶g̶ ̶T̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶W̶a̶l̶l̶"̶ "Birthday 1986 Uncut Video" "̶C̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶E̶l̶e̶k̶t̶r̶a̶ ̶T̶u̶e̶s̶d̶a̶y̶"̶ "Cosmic Day" "Camden 1988 Video" "In A Large Room With No Light Jam" "Girls Will B Girls" "̶B̶y̶ ̶A̶l̶i̶e̶n̶s̶ ̶M̶e̶a̶n̶s̶"̶ "The Dawn" "Bloody Mouth" "Dance With The Devil" [Edited 7/28/17 12:55pm]

Oooh, forgot about that list. Bring 'em on!

smokeverbs said:

mcmk785new said:

Anyone wanna do one of those Keep/Dump verdicts like @smokeverbs did for BFTP 2.0?

Soft & Wet #1 – Sounds tinny – especially when the vocal kicks in. Unpleasent to listen to, definitely worse than previously heard.

Soft & Wet #2 – A definite improvement. 1st time in stereo? Keeper.

Miss you - Louder & Clearer than my copy, but the noise reduction is too much – and this is a fanedit.

Rough – This one's new to me. Some tape hiss, but I'd rather that than NR. Cool song, was this intended for The Hookers?

Feel U Up – This one's already been discussed. If it's not an authentic mix, I still like it.

Broken – Same source as previously heard. Some NR, but sounds very similar to my copy. A toss-up.

Strange Way – I hear no difference compared to my copy. Flip a coin.

Do Yourself A Favor – Slower than my copy, less noise reduction than my copy, much better transients. A bit fuzzy, but a Keeper! This has always been a favorite of mine, and this is much more pleasant to listen to than the last copy I had. Slightly longer fadeout. A keeper.

Turn It Up – Some NR, but it's not bad. This song has always sounded weird, I think all copies come from the same tape? We've come a long way from the A Better Place To Die version. The Highs aren't as harsh as my last copy. A Keeper.

Moonbeam Levels. Have to wonder why this was included. It sounds different from the previous version, but I can't tell if it's NR or a different source tape. I'll stick with what we had before, the best previously leaked version or the Prince4Ever copy, which are the same.

Jungle Love – Sourced from a facebook post, this isn't going to sound great no matter what. A neat little thing to have though, and sounds good enough.

Wet Dream Cousin – Sounds loads better than my old copy, and seems to run at a more natural speed. Slightly more complete too.

Wonderful Ass #1 – This isn't the one from Purple Rain Deluxe, just so there's no confusion. This lacks the Wendy & Lisa overdubs, and is clearer, sounds like a lower generation copy of what I had previously. A Keeper, although the one from PR Deluxe is definitive.

Velvet Kitty Cat – a bit louder than what we've hear previously. Just a tweek, I'm sure, but it sounds good, better than on PR Deluxe! A Keeper.

My Love Belongs To U – A bit less distorted than last April's leak. Sounded ok before, sounds better here. I would cut the high end a bit though, personally.

Sex Shooter – This one's never sounded great, although it's my favorite version of this song. I first encountered this one on Fuzztone Reality (on blue vinyl), where it sounded like trash. It's gotten better over the years in small increments – but it sounds pretty good here, probably as good as it's going to get outside of an official release – HOWEVER, IT'S MISSING OVER TWO MINUTES AT THE END. THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER.

Wednesday – I didn't check out Jill's soundcloud postings, so I can't compare them to this. This sounds ok, considering it's more than likely from Jill's private cassette.

The Glamorous Life – Sounds better than my copy, not bad at all here. Still has the 2nd verse patch like the previous leak. Is this a tag, or simply to cover up a chewed up section of the tape? Anyway a keeper.

She's Always In My Hair – Slight alternate/early mix of this one, sound quality is fine. This is barely different from the 12” version. A keeper for completists.

Ice Cream Castles Instrumental – A straight instrumental mix of this one, intended for the flipside of a 12'' single? Some might find this one boring, but I dig it. Sound quality is fine. Cool guitar licks throughout. A keeper.

Paisley Park – We've heard this instrumental in last April's leak. Sounds similar here.

When Doves Cry Rehearsal – Sound quality is ok, from a 1984 birthday rehearsal? Edit at 3:57? Nothing I'd return to often.

Next Time Wipe The Lipstick Off Your Collar Alternate Mix. I think this is better without the drums – but if I'd heard this version Before hearing the album cut, I might say the opposite. A neat artifact regardless.

The Dance Electric – Alternate mix, fades out 5 mins early. Not sure if I like the way the drums are mixed on this one. Still better than the version on PR Deluxe.

The Screams Of Passion – Worse sound quality than the previous leak. Cool track though, wanted this one ever since ?uestlove played it.

Around The World In A Day #2 – I honestly can't decide if this better than my copy. It's better in some ways, but worse in others.

Jill's Our Destiny - The sound quality is ok, but jesus christ this is a horrible vocal.

Roadhouse Garden – The Segue between this and Jill's Destiny sounds SO much more natural than on PR Deluxe. I like this song so much. It's ok that it's included here due to the segue.

Mutiny – Well this is a nice surprise. The best sounding copy of Mutiny yet. It's not perfect, but it's Nice and smokes any copy I've heard before. Can we have the rest of this session in nice quality like this please oh please? Yep, a keeper.

Dear Michaelangelo – Sounds worse than last week's leak. This IS a cool track though, thank you leakers.

Toy Box Instrumental – Sounds very similar to my last copy.

Come Elektra Tuesday – Some NR applied vs. the previous leak – it's not intrusive though. This is a cool, funky song. A Keeper, but flip a coin.

Others Here With Us #2 – This one badly needs a remix from the master tape. I get that this track is supposed to sound “wrong” and dissonant, but the orchestra is fighting for space with the rest of the track, and it doesn't work. Would we all love this one as much as we do if we'd heard this version first? A Keeper for history's sake, but not essential.

Living Doll – I really don't care for Jill Jones. That said, this is alright. Sound quality is fine. Includes pretty cool coda starting @ 1:58.

Empty Room – I love this song. And this is the best take, I don't care what anyone says. Sound Quality is as good as it's ever been, but to my recollection it's always sounded good. I could talk about this song all day though, it's one of my all time favorites period. A Keeper, but there was nothing wrong with the previous copies.

I can't do all of these Jill Jones tracks, I'm sorry.

Eternity – Sounds similar to previous leak. Good song though, good vocal. A Keeper.

Power Fantastic – Oh My. This intro sounds GREAT, finally. I've never liked tacking it onto the main track, as the sound was always so bad, but here – it's wonderful, sounds like it should always have. And I'm going to make a bold statement that I'd like to hear everyone's reply to: the main track sounds better here than it does on “The Hits/B-Sides”. You tell me. A Keeper.

Crystal Ball #1 – Is this the first time we've had a complete copy of this version? That's cool. It really only amounts to 90 seconds of the lone kick drum, but there you go. Sound quality is very good here. I've always liked the echo on his vocal in this version. Hearing details I never noticed before. A Keeper.

Hey Hannigan #2 – Wendy & Lisa overdubs? This is the definitive version, in my book. Sound quality is excellent, although it fades earlier than previous leak. A Keeper.

Witness 4 The Prosecution #1 – It sounds as good as my last copy. Same source, I'd bet. I still prefer the Wendy & Lisa & Eric version though.

Movie Star #1 – Pointless inclusion. Sounds fine, other than the NR at the end.

A Place In Heaven #2 – Sounds fine. A personal favorite.

Girl O' My Dreams – More Talking before the beginning – That was cool! Sound quality is fine. Oh wait, different vocals in the middle?? OK, I wasn't expecting that – figured this would be the same old track, just with a more complete intro. This is a new mix, which of course segues into...

Can't Stop This Feeling I Got – This is also a different mix, has some different/more overdubs here and there, and is the best this '86 take has ever sounded.

We Can Funk – Wooo! While the '83 version is a Gem, this remains my favorite take. It sounds wonderful here, similar to the “vocals up” version, but with a more balanced mix. This entire suite of Girl/Can't Stop/Funk has honestly never sounded better. Credit where it's due, this is one of the best things in this set, in my opinion – but I've always been a big fan of this '86 suite. THIS AND THE PREVIOUS TWO TRACKS ARE FUCKING KEEPERS.

Data Bank – This sounds like the previously available copies. It's a treat, but nothing new. I actually prefer the slower, “vocals up” take personally, but this version is fine.

Love And Sex (Sheila E) – Never heard this one before. I like it right away. I was underwhelmed by Sheila's 3rd album, but this would have made a fine addition. Sound isn't perfect, but it's acceptable for a boot. The material transcends the sound quality. This shares the name with the '84 track, but otherwise is totally different. Make no mistake, it's a Keeper.

Yah, U Know. – Yah, U Know.

Large Room, No Light. – A Classic, anywhere, anytime-- but it's far from perfect here. Oh well. Arguably better than previous year's copies. A Keeper, I guess.

Baby Go-Go – Doesn't sound any different than my copy.

Eggplant – This song is fun, that's all. Great Jamming 2nd half. I'm not sure if it sounds any different from last year's leak, but these BFTP volumes tend to be collect all of the leaks since the last volume, so it makes sense that it's here.

Big Tall Wall – Well THIS one's come a long way, hasn't it? Remember when it was COVERED in tape hiss? Remember when, years later a supertweaked, clearer copy appeared and we were like “oh, so that's what this song sounds like”? This appears to be a completely different source, has the complete intro, and has details I haven't heard before. Complete ending too. A Keeper.

The Ball – probably directly from the japanese boot, and consequently, the sound is as good as it gets. Fades out when it's going to segue into Joy In Repetition. A keeper, I guess, unless you have the japanese discs, which you should.

Make Your Mama Happy – This is different from the Crystal Ball '98 version. Fades out way early. Sound is good.

Crucial – already been discussed. This is a fine mix, fine sound, but it fades out quite early and thus is disappointing overall.

Coco Boys – New to me. This, is a very cool track right here. Very Very '86. Great narrative, you can definitely see how it was intended to be part of a play or a movie. The Detroit Crawl AND the kangaroo, yall. A Keeper, A Keeper. Wow.

Emotional Pump – Sounds tweaked from the previous leak. Thanks leakers for this one, I like it a lot. Wouldn't have worked with Joni though, she was right. Would have been interesting though....

Telepathy – Sounds fine.

Wally #2 – Sounds similar to the leak. I like this one, and it's as close to this mythical song we're ever going to get, so dig it. A Keeper, if you didn't grab it last week.

101 – Sounds identical, to my ears, to the leak.

U Got The Look (alternate) – This doesn't sound wonderful, last week, or now, but it's cool to have. Different extended portion at the end, the “Prince told me to grab a banjo that was in the corner of the studio” story that Sheena's told before. A Keeper, but I hope we get a better copy someday.

La La La, He He Hee (Alternate) – The more I listen to this version, the more I like. It gets to the bone of the song, and still jams and grooves. A Keeper, if you didn't grab it already.

Overall, this is a mixed bag, with some new definitive tracks, and well worth tracking down. I slag Eye Records a lot, but plenty of this is worth hearing, even if you've already got the leaks from last week. I'm not paying $400 for the set though.

Haven't listened to vol 5 yet, will write about it later. to Be continued, let's keep talking.

Edit: Volume 5, this is the now the definitive "Positivity". I was expecting the same old bad copy. I was wrong. Wow!

[Edited 7/23/17 8:03am]

Thanks. This has been helpful. Encore for Disc 5 (I can't find a lighter emoticons)?!

I love Hey Hannigan!

Seems like it was probably inspired by Was (Not Was)

PurplePartyFix said:

I love Hey Hannigan!

Seems like it was probably inspired by Was (Not Was)

The live version is better...

Eternity sounds like the sound quality upgrade that has been in circulation since 2014.

djThunderfunk said:

PurplePartyFix said:

I love Hey Hannigan!

Seems like it was probably inspired by Was (Not Was)

The live version is better...

Especially the Piano and Microphone version.

EddieC said:

djThunderfunk said:

The live version is better...

Especially the Piano and Microphone version.

thats the one in PRISTINE quality

rdhull said:

EddieC said:

Especially the Piano and Microphone version.

thats the one in PRISTINE quality

Has a "pristine" quality leaked? I've only the heard the cellphone recording of it being played in a Questlove set.

djThunderfunk said:

rdhull said:

thats the one in PRISTINE quality

Has a "pristine" quality leaked? I've only the heard the cellphone recording of it being played in a Questlove set.

Mine's a cellphone recording--but the phone was inside the piano.

I don't know if you are laughing at me or with me. But, I don't care. I love this forum and have got a lot out of it over the years and finally have made my first post.

Baby Go-Go is the same as was already out there, but Eggplant is now in stereo. Love it.

PurplePartyFix said:

I don't know if you are laughing at me or with me. But, I don't care. I love this forum and have got a lot out of it over the years and finally have made my first post.

At? With? Other...

Glad to have you participating.

mcmk785new said:

From Neversin's list posted here 2 years ago Broken faucets... Soon, I guess... "High School 1975-1976 Video" "You're A Machine" "̶R̶o̶u̶g̶h̶"̶ "Sister+ (Brass Bed)" "Dancing Flue" "Make U Mine" "Rain Demo" "Strange Way" 1981 Controversy "Rough Cut" Video "Vagina" "̶W̶e̶d̶n̶e̶s̶d̶a̶y̶"̶ (Jill Jones vox only) "The Dance Electric Rehearsal + Dub versions" Prince's "Family" (Screams of Passion leaked...) "Romance 1600 instrumental jams" "Little Rock Demo" "̶H̶i̶g̶h̶ ̶C̶a̶l̶o̶n̶i̶c̶"̶ "̶R̶u̶n̶ ̶A̶m̶o̶k̶"̶ "̶H̶o̶r̶n̶y̶ ̶P̶o̶n̶y̶ ̶D̶e̶m̶o̶"̶ ̶ "̶B̶i̶g̶ ̶T̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶W̶a̶l̶l̶"̶ "Birthday 1986 Uncut Video" "̶C̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶E̶l̶e̶k̶t̶r̶a̶ ̶T̶u̶e̶s̶d̶a̶y̶"̶ "Cosmic Day" "Camden 1988 Video" "In A Large Room With No Light Jam" "Girls Will B Girls" "̶B̶y̶ ̶A̶l̶i̶e̶n̶s̶ ̶M̶e̶a̶n̶s̶"̶ "The Dawn" "Bloody Mouth" "Dance With The Devil" [Edited 7/28/17 12:55pm]

so r there plans for the rest to get out soon?

djThunderfunk said:

PurplePartyFix said:

I don't know if you are laughing at me or with me. But, I don't care. I love this forum and have got a lot out of it over the years and finally have made my first post.

At? With? Other...

Glad to have you participating.

I'm just laughing.

djThunderfunk said:

rdhull said:

thats the one in PRISTINE quality

Has a "pristine" quality leaked? I've only the heard the cellphone recording of it being played in a Questlove set.

I'm told Bernie Grundman remastered it