purplefam99 said:

please for the love of all things, GOOGLE AFRICAN WARRIOR PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO WE NOT REMEMBER FROM WHENCE WE CAME??????!!!!!!!

blizzybiz said:

tishal said:

khill95 said: I agree because he was androgynous without losing a SINGLE OUNCE of masculinity. To me, it made him more masculine. If he was 6'2", it might not have been pulled off successfully. His small size and deep voice...it worked! He did it without seeming submissive, because he was in control of how much and how far. Pure sexy genius. Even though he cut it back after the 80s, he still kept the heels and makeup and worked better than any woman I know! Great thread.

This right here...something about Prince made him Prince, and do things that no one else could get away with, black, white purple, whatever. I've never been about to put my finger on it. I rememebr buying "Prince" and thinking "he looks gay, but listening to his music, he's clearly not". He was obviously channeling the feminine, but was most assuredly masculine. In fact, this is one of the things about Prince that kept me literally amazed by him. His ability to be both with the utmost confidence, as if it was the most natural thing in the world to be.

ya, i remember an early article where they said the hat he wore in when doves cry looked like something your grandma would wear but on Prince it worked, it's true, he could almost do no wrong.

Pete, I would really like to know your opinion on IIWYG, and how do you reconcile it with your views on genders. The SOTT maxi-single sleeve pics must have give you a conniption.

fen said:

purplefam99 said:

fen said: Fen Your points are well pointed, perhaps until (for me) the point about His later, as you call it conservatism, if we chose to disagree with something is it always because someone is conservative or liberal. I find this tiring. Because I believe P was always as religious/conservative (as u put it)/ from the outset as he was later. He was younger and maybe more of an adventurous storyteller but I think he was the same and that his earlier days didn't diminish his spiritual self It doesn't seem logical to me to say one is more authentic because of preference. [Edited 7/6/17 21:26pm]

Hi purplefam99 – my comments regarding authenticity were a response to the suggestion that Prince used these themes tactically, in order to create a disingenuous public persona and capture public attention. I disagree with the conservative world view, but of course someone can be authentically conservative. I agree, a deep interest in religion and spirituality was always present in his work, and his attempts to reconcile this with his libido and desire for freedom is one of his central themes. It was always inclusive and non-judgemental in the early days though.

Thanks Fen for reponsorial input. I do feel that the African American legacy has been too be overwhelmingly accepting. There was no other way for the African American to get a toehold, if they

didn't. This is a long conversation obviously not suited for typing it all out. But if you take the simple

tradition of african americans calling each other Brother,Bro,Blood,Sister, Aunty, when in fact you

were non of those things in actuality, was a way of saying we are family no matter what they say

and however they disspell us to other parts of the world your essence is of my essence. that is the

inclusiveness i believe that P was always putting forth that we are humanely connected. Not necessarily that he thought that every aspect of that humanity was well meaning or in line with

his particular spiritual view. i believe he knew that part didn't matter, but rather you connect

on the essence of the spirit and the rest will happen but not because of him only because he showed

you the essence the rest was up to you after you had been shown. I hope you get some of what i

am trying to convey. best!!

bonatoc said:

purplefam99 said:

please for the love of all things, GOOGLE AFRICAN WARRIOR PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO WE NOT REMEMBER FROM WHENCE WE CAME??????!!!!!!!

yes!!!!!! but what about the fine ones where the warriors are all buff, wearing those prince white

puffy boot things and just a loin cloth!!!!!

purplefam99 said:

bonatoc said:

yes!!!!!! but what about the fine ones where the warriors are all buff, wearing those prince white

puffy boot things and just a loin cloth!!!!!

shaka zulu style!!!! those pics

If we just pause and look at nature and the male Peacock, can we not just

say yes please!!!! that is what a real man is and that is awesome. Prince My Peacock!!!!!

purplefam99 said:

If we just pause and look at nature and the male Peacock, can we not just

say yes please!!!! that is what a real man is and that is awesome. Prince My Peacock!!!!!

i may change my online presence to that so don't take it!!!!!

bonatoc said:

Pete, I would really like to know your opinion on IIWYG, and how do you reconcile it with your views on genders. The SOTT maxi-single sleeve pics must have give you a conniption.

no, i don't get upset at stuff like that, i could tell it wasn't even prince if you're meaning the photos of kat. Actually, you'd be surprised, I think i'm feminine in many ways, most native american men are feminine in comparison to the western stereotype, (i think a lot of Natives get confused over this also, but that's another arguement). My indian father was a warm person, easygoing, way too nice for this world and I know it did not work for him in his time, but..., he was also a fighter, he fought in two wars, he didn't feel the need to whine or carry on about things he couldn't change, I never really heard him complain and he had a lot to complain about, unfortunately, a lot of that anger/resentment may have turned inward. I have a black stepfather, in some ways he's admirable too, even though he had to cope with racism, I never heard him whine about it either, in fact, the only time i really heard him complain about it was a couple weeks ago after he retired and can safely call the lot of them bastards. Anyway, I'm straying from your question, the question prince asked was fine but really unresolvable in this society, in this "all against all" system, that kind of intimacy isn't really possible and it's not just because of gender it's because the overlords like everyone at each others throats because it makes them easier to fuck.

bonatoc said:

purplefam99 said:

please for the love of all things, GOOGLE AFRICAN WARRIOR PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO WE NOT REMEMBER FROM WHENCE WE CAME??????!!!!!!!

Indeed, which strengthens the argument that feminine and masculine signifiers are largely culturally conditioned (I'd extend this to many behaviours as well). Of course, when Prince donned lace, heavy make-up and stockings, he was deliberately subverting what those things represent in occidental society, so I'm not sure that this is directly equivalent.

[Edited 7/7/17 14:19pm]

fen said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

I do not find water to be wet. It glistens on my skin and drips on things but it is not wet.

That is actually very poetically sensual

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL if they did they had them in the prayer room QUICKLY lol

zulu warriors do!!!!

No they don't

And Prince isn't Zulu

purplefam99 said:

please for the love of all things, GOOGLE AFRICAN WARRIOR PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO WE NOT REMEMBER FROM WHENCE WE CAME??????!!!!!!!

Africa is a continent

what African ethnic group do you want to see pictures of?

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

please for the love of all things, GOOGLE AFRICAN WARRIOR PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO WE NOT REMEMBER FROM WHENCE WE CAME??????!!!!!!!

Africa is a continent

what African ethnic group do you want to see pictures of?

that's a great point i was going to mention, same with native american tribes, there were differences amongt various tribes as well as great similarities.

purplefam99 said:

fen said:

Indeed, which strengthens the argument that feminine and masculine signifiers are largely culturally conditioned (I'd extend this to many behaviours as well). Of course, when Prince donned lace, heavy make-up and stockings, he was deliberately subverting what those things represent in occidental society, so I'm not sure that this is directly equivalent.

[Edited 7/7/17 14:19pm]

That makeup is pretty heavy!!!!!

Cultural context is everything. x

fen said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I grew up "with" Prince. I am his age. We all seem to agree that Prince presented as male and female, but some do not consider that androgynous by their own definition.

LOL imagine voting in trump because you really, really hated the idea of a third bathroom. Poor America.


And Trump is as fey and camp as they come as well, all bitching about bad facelifts and who is and isn't invited to his parties as well

purplefam99 said:

RJOrion said:

Prince was the 2nd Coming of the androgenous entertainment negro (#1 being Little Richard)...they havent gone ANYWHERE...they just rap now.. (ie., Young Thug, Lil Uzi Vert, ILOVEMAKKONEN, Lil B, etc.)

they just don't look as appealing

RJOrion said:

purplefam99 said:

If we just pause and look at nature and the male Peacock, can we not just

say yes please!!!! that is what a real man is and that is awesome. Prince My Peacock!!!!!

yeah, because as Human Beings, we as males should look to a flamboyant bird, as role models of masculinity...*side eye given*

Why do you need a 'role model of masculinity'? Are you that insecure?

Frank Ocean:

https://vimeo.com/179791907

Fair bit of Bob George employed by Frank here!

RJOrion said:

purplefam99 said:

If we just pause and look at nature and the male Peacock, can we not just

say yes please!!!! that is what a real man is and that is awesome. Prince My Peacock!!!!!

yeah, because as Human Beings, we as males should look to a flamboyant bird, as role models of masculinity...*side eye given*

the Peacock is not flamboyant.

But most males of various species- more specifially fish & birds, are more colorful than the female

jaawwnn said:

LOL imagine voting in trump because you really, really hated the idea of a third bathroom. Poor America.


And Trump is as fey and camp as they come as well, all bitching about bad facelifts and who is and isn't invited to his parties as well

OldFriends4Sale said:

embmmusic said:

Frank Ocean is kind of channeling the androgynous aesthetic in some recent pictures, though I'm not sure he's mainstream enough for it to be impactful.