OldFriends4Sale said:

RJOrion said:

purplefam99 said: yeah, because as Human Beings, we as males should look to a flamboyant bird, as role models of masculinity...*side eye given*

the Peacock is not flamboyant.

But most males of various species- more specifially fish & birds, are more colorful than the female

yep Oldfriends4sale, that was my point. the lion with his big bushy mane of hair, that captures

the eye, the male silver back, but yes this feature in nature is most noticable in birds and fish. And

i'm just saying that sittin back and letting men primp and preen and dual for female affections can

and is quite masculine. And women, if they want, can sit down and and relax and enjoy the show a

bit. ok nature show over!!

[Edited 7/10/17 18:51pm]

Well, I think androgyny has it's limits. Prince was more eccentric than androgynous in my opinion. He used make up and bare skin to look more sexual similarly in a way a woman use those for her effect, but to show off his masculinity. The make up mostly only with the eyes. He didn't wear make up like a woman.

You knew what gender Prince was. He had a full blown beard in your face or moustache, hamburger meat (chest hair), muscles, and his demeanor was all man. The sense I get from general people is that they think of Prince more as a weirdo than entirely feminine or androgynous.

I showed a friend of mine the Kiss video, and Prince had the classic half shirt outfit in that. Her reaction was "Eww" and "He's so gross". Which, she was reffering to his intense overt sexuality. She was turned off more by the way he was acting. In that video, much like some others, he especially looks like hes deperate for some lady parts, especially by the way he keeps staring at the camera. But she never once critiscized his look or said he looked overtly womanly or confusing.

His look during Parade with the half shirts and tight clothes show off his ripped stomach muscles and physique.

Even his more extreme looks seem scientifically thought out. Lets take Lovesexy, considered by most his most androgynous/feminine look.

A picture like this at first glance, you ask yourself, why is he wearing that? Because women wear warmers on the legs and arms. But if you take a look at it from the point of a man who's eccentric, but also happens to be intensly sexual by any means, it makes sense. Where is this outfit drawn your attention? The dark contrast only leaves his core showing. And whats in his core? Cock in your face and bare chest. Drawing even more attention to his crotch with the carefully placed waist chain.

And here, he has nothing feminine on. Contrary, his look can be considered hyper masculine in some areas. But he has many little details on him that make it hard for you take your eyes off of him. The jewelry, the elabroate hair, the eyebrows, neatly trimmed beard, shirt, chest etc, etc. Thus creating the aura of being sexual/visual that way. Drawing that much attention to yourself can be considered feminine, but he doesn't have anything feminine on display.

Prince's outfits have genreally leaned more towards eccentric masculine than gender obscurity most the time.

Plus in nature the male animals are usually the ones who are on display and visual. They're almost always more flashy and decorative. And many times as pets it's the males people want because they're more interesting to look at than the females (sorry ladies). So I don't think theres anything wrong with it, or it always being associated with being womanly. You don't have to cross dress to be visually stimulating.

Those guys posted in the first page seem more androgynous or cross dressers. These new rappers now a days seem gay or bi. They literally wear dresses and apparently lipstick. And many men who cross dress or want to be androgynous wear make up in a way to look more womanly, such as smoothing out the masculine features and drawing attention to your lips.

Prince never really did those.

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Peacock is not flamboyant.

But most males of various species- more specifially fish & birds, are more colorful than the female

yep Oldfriends4sale, that was my point. the lion with his big bushy mane of hair, that captures

the eye, the male silver back, but yes this feature in nature is most noticable in birds and fish. And

i'm just saying that sittin back and letting men primp and preen and dual for female affections can

and is quite masculine. And women, if they want, can sit down and and relax and enjoy the show a

bit. ok nature show over!!

[Edited 7/10/17 18:51pm]

I fully agree. Men should imbrace it.

But I guess those that look sexually flashy and happen to be male intimdate women.

I also forgot to mention, no Prince didnt kill androgyny with his passing. But Prince's eccentric/creative taste is rare to see, and it's one less for that image.

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LayzieKiddZ said:

Her reaction was "Eww" and "He's so gross".

Dump your friend and her shitty opinions.

smoothcriminal12 said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Her reaction was "Eww" and "He's so gross".

Dump your friend and her shitty opinions.

Lols, she'll come around, they always do.

Death of Androgony? Have you been checking out what going on in hip hop? These guys are going a lot further than Prince ever did.

lrn36 said:

They sure ain't cute.

Death of pretty boy androgyny you mean. A lot of rappers today are dressing androgynous af there's just not a pretty boy doing it the last one has been P

RJOrion said:

embmmusic said:

Why do you need a 'role model of masculinity'? Are you that insecure?

oh, stop it... dont need a role model...im already formed and informed...the youth however, DO need role models of masculinity, because there is obviously alot of confusion going on

can't tell them nothing, people are just so stupid, believe whatever some stupid agenda makes them believe, if they were alive 200 years ago, they'd go along with whatever wack shit was going on then too.

purplethunder3121 said:

RJOrion said:

lrn36 said:

Death of Androgony? Have you been checking out what going on in hip hop? These guys are going a lot further than Prince ever did.

young thug and ceelo green are disgusting...coons and bammas running amuck in hiphop right now

With each and every post you come across worse. I can't believe you just said that.

PeteSilas said:

RJOrion said:

embmmusic said: oh, stop it... dont need a role model...im already formed and informed...the youth however, DO need role models of masculinity, because there is obviously alot of confusion going on

can't tell them nothing, people are just so stupid, believe whatever some stupid agenda makes them believe, if they were alive 200 years ago, they'd go along with whatever wack shit was going on then too.

It's called freedom of expression. People are allowed to present however they damn well please (can't believe I'm having to say this on a Prince forum of all places). They don't need people showing them the right way to behave or look.

embmmusic said:

embmmusic said:

PeteSilas said:

can't tell them nothing, people are just so stupid, believe whatever some stupid agenda makes them believe, if they were alive 200 years ago, they'd go along with whatever wack shit was going on then too.

It's called freedom of expression. People are allowed to present however they damn well please (can't believe I'm having to say this on a Prince forum of all places). They don't need people showing them the right way to behave or look.

I agree, completely. What is considered appropriate dress is a societal construct, nothing more. I have never thought of Prince as even remotely female like, never. He always displays his maleness. Artists tend to rebel against societal constructs. Why should society define who they are, what they can say or wear? I suppose he was androgynous. His symbol comprises both female and male. Perhaps because I have grown up in the age of Japan, Bowie, Prince, Annie Lennox etc. , I have very broad views of gender norms. Prince was a man, who had confidence in his nuances.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Askani said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Why do so many Americans end up dead? Do any of these fatalities bear any

connection to androgyny?

I've got news for you. Everyone ends up dead

Haha, and got nothin to do with America or androgyny. We all know how the book ends, just not how many pages are in it.

embmmusic said:

PeteSilas said:

can't tell them nothing, people are just so stupid, believe whatever some stupid agenda makes them believe, if they were alive 200 years ago, they'd go along with whatever wack shit was going on then too.

It's called freedom of expression. People are allowed to present however they damn well please (can't believe I'm having to say this on a Prince forum of all places). They don't need people showing them the right way to behave or look.

embmmusic, you are correct the "coons and bammas" was not the best choice of words, those

are hurtful descriptors the other Poster used. these performers do have the right to do as they please of

course, and people have the right likewise to express that it doesn't appeal to them.

RJOrion said:

coonery/cooning = a term when used by african americans, describes behavior(s) by other african americans, that perpetuate and/or reinforce negative stereotypes... bamma = a term when used by african americans, describing a person lacking style or class, usually from the southeastern region of the USA... i used these terms appropriately and accordingly...

in the south in my experience african americans don't typically refer to each other using these words.

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

embmmusic said:

It's called freedom of expression. People are allowed to present however they damn well please (can't believe I'm having to say this on a Prince forum of all places). They don't need people showing them the right way to behave or look.

embmmusic, you are correct the "coons and bammas" was not the best choice of words, those

are hurtful descriptors the other Poster used. these performers do have the right to do as they please of

course, and people have the right likewise to express that it doesn't appeal to them.

The "democracy" card, again?
It doesn't take Stevie Wonder to see they look like dorks.

Society needs more than Halloween costumes to confront tolerance issues.
The media war is over for homosexuals (the real world is still something else entirely):
The majority of the Western world has adopted same sex marriage, Tim Cook is the CEO of one the biggest company on the world, etc.

Their outfits don't look like political statements, rather something to appeal to the high tolerance of millenials, to sell them records. The only shock I get is from the screaming lack of aesthetics.
Oh RuPaul, where art thou? Nothing I see here is flamboyant.

Style doesn't come from blatantly stealing from your sister's wardrobe, with your baseball cap on. Fashion is a little more than that. Hopefully it makes them feel good about themselves. But to me, it seems counterproductive: haters are still going to hate them, maybe more. And the poor gay boy from the hood will end up in the emergency room if he tries to walk down the street dressed as his heroes, even just for one day.

embmmusic said:

PeteSilas said:

can't tell them nothing, people are just so stupid, believe whatever some stupid agenda makes them believe, if they were alive 200 years ago, they'd go along with whatever wack shit was going on then too.

It's called freedom of expression. People are allowed to present however they damn well please (can't believe I'm having to say this on a Prince forum of all places). They don't need people showing them the right way to behave or look.

they don't need the social push to do it either, that's what it mainly is but you don't know that.

RJOrion said:

jdcxc said:

All coonery aside, yeah, he certainly toyed with it at various stages but I'm not sure if he ever positioned himself (no pun intended) as a bastion or great herald for androgyny or the LGBTQQIAAPPKUOFD communities. He did seem to be emphasising sexuality even when cross-dressing or playing Camille, as opposed to the androgynous sexless characters presented by, say, David Bowie, Annie Lennox or Michael Jackson. Either way, his image always seemed driven by the flamboyance of funk and embodying the spirit of his music, and certainly it was irrelevant in the last decade of his career as he was very removed from the mainstream and all the bullshit underpinning it.

RJOrion said:

mechanicalemotion17 said: