It's pretty massive in fairness, isn't Halsey at number 1? Can you get bigger than top of the pops??

On the slightly better-music side of things we have someone like Shamir, he doesn't really enjoy playing the pop game enough to be in the top 10 though

OldFriends4Sale said:

embmmusic said:

Bowie

Yeah, but he was old school like Prince.
From a time when we had all those wonderfully colorful and 80% original people.
I mean are there any recent people in the last 15yrs?

Patrick Wolf

Antony Hegarty

Troye Sivan

Frank Ocean!


Can't believe I forgot to mention him

tishal said:

jaawwnn said:

It's pretty massive in fairness, isn't Halsey at number 1? Can you get bigger than top of the pops??

On the slightly better-music side of things we have someone like Shamir, he doesn't really enjoy playing the pop game enough to be in the top 10 though

With his hair down, Shamir reminds me a little of a young David McAlmont:

An effortlessly great singer:

gandorb said:

purplefam99 said:

this has me laughing, but yes, word up!!!!

While I agree with your assessment of many American men being overly babied and immature, androgyny isn't related to whining, shirking responsibility, or gossiping. Those are just negative stereotypes of being feminine, though I don't consider them accurate. Androgyny has a lot to with having interests and aspects of your identity that are not more aligned with one gender or the other, including sex roles, interests, "feminine" and "masculine" traits, and sometimes reflected in appearance as well. Your description of an androgynous male makes it sound like some type of weakness rather than the psychological strength it often is found to be in research of sex roles. How androgynous Prince was is up for debate, but can we do so without slandering those who are androgynous.

i guess i'm looking at what makes men men, moreso than what makes women women. In my mind, a man takes care of things that need taken care of, they aren't overemotional and hypersensitive, they don't spend all their time gossiping. Society in the us pretty much is at odds with traditional masculinity, in fact, it's way more acceptable to call someone a name like "chauvinist" rather than calling a female a "bitch". Most men I know can't even stand up to their own wives let alone another man, i don't think it's an accident, i don't think it was always this way and most importantly, i don't think it's natural. Men aren't evolved to live societies like this, not having any autonomy, not being able to stand up to their bosses, their authority figures, their women or even their own children anymore. Like Bill Maher said, our tv programs this shit too, women on tv are all knowing, wise, smart, men are dumbshits.

Of course we are all androgynous in many ways and there are strengths in many feminine characteristics but our society is totally out of whack.

fen said:

i often wonder how much of the fem stuff prince (and michael) did he would have done if society wasn't as fucked up as it was. Black men had to soften their masculinity to be accepted by white people, Little Richard was naturally feminine but he also was aware of that being the reason why he could be accepted, as he put it, he wasn't a threat. Prince, I don't think was gay, I don't even know how fem he really was, he looked pretty normal his first album and didn't start with the makeup until Dirty Mind I think. My best friend knew someone who grew up with P and they said all that shit was an act.

As far as "feminine" I'm not only calling it "feminine" the way many men are, but also "Not grown up" "little boys in mens' bodies", often because they didn't have a strong male figure in their childhood. I've known lots of young men who didn't have fathers, for some reason, I am like a magnet for them but I can't stand them, they make me sick, and unless I'm getting I'm the one making a boy, I'm not helping him with shit.

One more thing, with all this androgyny talk, just look at all the rap stars and actors being put in dresses, they can't be all that masculine if most of them are willing to do that. Chappelle caught on to it and wasn't having it.

fen said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't think it means anything, men today gossip more, bitch more, are more babied and immature so they don't need any more feminization. The lack of fathers in the home and strong male figures has done more to balance out this loss. And really, Prince was a chauvinistic, super-ego male in disguise. When did he whine? When did he try to shirk responsibility for his share of work? When did he gossip? He was a man in lace.

So, by implication, these are qualities that you identify as expressions of femininity? The real question is to what extent given qualities are innately feminine or masculine, and to what extent they're merely external constructs, perpetuated and adopted in accordance with the organising principles of society. Prince and other artists may help to raise issues of identity politics through a process of artistic experimentation, but they're usually appropriating pre-established symbols of gender which deserve to be challenged in and of themselves. What is innately feminine about a dress for example? What is the social and symbolic function of lace? Whence the archetypal symbol of the quiet, strong, stoic male bread winner or the brash, egoistical and ruthless entrepreneur? The same kind of questioning can be applied to racial designations and identifications as well. While it's important for oppressed groups to establish an organised sense of identity in order to combat this oppression, ultimately the pursuit of freedom must eventually resolve itself into questions of individual sovereignty (it's just a matter of getting to that point). Artists, thinkers and political agitators from minority groups tend to face pressures that members of the predominant or ruling community do not, since they're often limited to being representatives of their “community”. One thing that I've always admired about Prince is that his instincts were always profoundly individualistic, and that he resisted being pigeon-holed along any of these lines from the outset. Some may argue that this was a shrewd piece of marketing, and that he was merely presenting a fascinating spectacle, but I genuinely think that he was a true individual. He didn't have a particularly sophisticated or thought-out philosophy in my view, as his later conservatism proves, but his early instincts were good (and authentic I'd argue).

[Edited 7/6/17 16:43pm]

he was certainly ironic, he reputedly told wendy and lisa they were going to "rot in hell" for their lifestyles, this was in the mid 80s, that' right, when he was looking all pretty.

purplefam99 said:

fen said:

So, by implication, these are qualities that you identify as expressions of femininity? The real question is to what extent given qualities are innately feminine or masculine, and to what extent they're merely external constructs, perpetuated and adopted in accordance with the organising principles of society. Prince and other artists may help to raise issues of identity politics through a process of artistic experimentation, but they're usually appropriating pre-established symbols of gender which deserve to be challenged in and of themselves. What is innately feminine about a dress for example? What is the social and symbolic function of lace? Whence the archetypal symbol of the quiet, strong, stoic male bread winner or the brash, egoistical and ruthless entrepreneur? The same kind of questioning can be applied to racial designations and identifications as well. While it's important for oppressed groups to establish an organised sense of identity in order to combat this oppression, ultimately the pursuit of freedom must eventually resolve itself into questions of individual sovereignty (it's just a matter of getting to that point). Artists, thinkers and political agitators from minority groups tend to face pressures that members of the predominant or ruling community do not, since they're often limited to being representatives of their “community”. One thing that I've always admired about Prince is that his instincts were always profoundly individualistic, and that he resisted being pigeon-holed along any of these lines from the outset. Some may argue that this was a shrewd piece of marketing, and that he was merely presenting a fascinating spectacle, but I genuinely think that he was a true individual. He didn't have a particularly sophisticated or thought-out philosophy in my view, as his later conservatism proves, but his early instincts were good (and authentic I'd argue).

[Edited 7/6/17 16:43pm]

Fen Your points are well pointed, perhaps until (for me) the point about His later, as you call it conservatism, if we chose to disagree with something is it always because someone is conservative or liberal. I find this tiring. Because I believe P was always as religious/conservative (as u put it)/ from the outset as he was later. He was younger and maybe more of an adventurous storyteller but I think he was the same and that his earlier days didn't diminish his spiritual self It doesn't seem logical to me to say one is more authentic because of preference. [Edited 7/6/17 21:26pm]

PeteSilas said:

i often wonder how much of the fem stuff prince (and michael) did he would have done if society wasn't as fucked up as it was. Black men had to soften their masculinity to be accepted by white people, Little Richard was naturally feminine but he also was aware of that being the reason why he could be accepted, as he put it, he wasn't a threat. Prince, I don't think was gay, I don't even know how fem he really was, he looked pretty normal his first album and didn't start with the makeup until Dirty Mind I think. My best friend knew someone who grew up with P and they said all that shit was an act.

As far as "feminine" I'm not only calling it "feminine" the way many men are, but also "Not grown up" "little boys in mens' bodies", often because they didn't have a strong male figure in their childhood. I've known lots of young men who didn't have fathers, for some reason, I am like a magnet for them but I can't stand them, they make me sick, and unless I'm getting I'm the one making a boy, I'm not helping him with shit.

One more thing, with all this androgyny talk, just look at all the rap stars and actors being put in dresses, they can't be all that masculine if most of them are willing to do that. Chappelle caught on to it and wasn't having it.

There ain't nothing wrong with a guy being feminine, you don't have to have to be lacking something like a strong male figure to explore your feminine side. Pathetic over-compensatory hyper masculinity is an actual problem, being a bit femme ain't.

you're right, i'm talking balance here and we do not have balance in this country, we don't have men the way nature evolved them. We're being metaphorically castrated for the system.

jaawwnn said:

PeteSilas said:

i often wonder how much of the fem stuff prince (and michael) did he would have done if society wasn't as fucked up as it was. Black men had to soften their masculinity to be accepted by white people, Little Richard was naturally feminine but he also was aware of that being the reason why he could be accepted, as he put it, he wasn't a threat. Prince, I don't think was gay, I don't even know how fem he really was, he looked pretty normal his first album and didn't start with the makeup until Dirty Mind I think. My best friend knew someone who grew up with P and they said all that shit was an act.

As far as "feminine" I'm not only calling it "feminine" the way many men are, but also "Not grown up" "little boys in mens' bodies", often because they didn't have a strong male figure in their childhood. I've known lots of young men who didn't have fathers, for some reason, I am like a magnet for them but I can't stand them, they make me sick, and unless I'm getting I'm the one making a boy, I'm not helping him with shit.

One more thing, with all this androgyny talk, just look at all the rap stars and actors being put in dresses, they can't be all that masculine if most of them are willing to do that. Chappelle caught on to it and wasn't having it.

There ain't nothing wrong with a guy being feminine, you don't have to have to be lacking something like a strong male figure to explore your feminine side. Pathetic over-compensatory hyper masculinity is an actual problem, being a bit femme ain't.

PeteSilas said:

gandorb said:

While I agree with your assessment of many American men being overly babied and immature, androgyny isn't related to whining, shirking responsibility, or gossiping. Those are just negative stereotypes of being feminine, though I don't consider them accurate. Androgyny has a lot to with having interests and aspects of your identity that are not more aligned with one gender or the other, including sex roles, interests, "feminine" and "masculine" traits, and sometimes reflected in appearance as well. Your description of an androgynous male makes it sound like some type of weakness rather than the psychological strength it often is found to be in research of sex roles. How androgynous Prince was is up for debate, but can we do so without slandering those who are androgynous.

i guess i'm looking at what makes men men, moreso than what makes women women. In my mind, a man takes care of things that need taken care of, they aren't overemotional and hypersensitive, they don't spend all their time gossiping. Society in the us pretty much is at odds with traditional masculinity, in fact, it's way more acceptable to call someone a name like "chauvinist" rather than calling a female a "bitch". Most men I know can't even stand up to their own wives let alone another man, i don't think it's an accident, i don't think it was always this way and most importantly, i don't think it's natural. Men aren't evolved to live societies like this, not having any autonomy, not being able to stand up to their bosses, their authority figures, their women or even their own children anymore. Like Bill Maher said, our tv programs this shit too, women on tv are all knowing, wise, smart, men are dumbshits.

Of course we are all androgynous in many ways and there are strengths in many feminine characteristics but our society is totally out of whack.

Wow, are you from the 30s?

I don't think Prince or Michael Jackson were 'feminine'

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I don't think either were in the same catagory as Little Richard. Little Richards mannerisms were much more naturally feminine.
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I don't see Prince or Michael Jackson any different than David Bowie or other rock stars who were flamboyant or outrageous. I believe they were both the way they were when in the privacy of their homes and no one was watching.

PeteSilas said:

i often wonder how much of the fem stuff prince (and michael) did he would have done if society wasn't as fucked up as it was. Black men had to soften their masculinity to be accepted by white people, Little Richard was naturally feminine but he also was aware of that being the reason why he could be accepted, as he put it, he wasn't a threat. Prince, I don't think was gay, I don't even know how fem he really was, he looked pretty normal his first album and didn't start with the makeup until Dirty Mind I think. My best friend knew someone who grew up with P and they said all that shit was an act.

As far as "feminine" I'm not only calling it "feminine" the way many men are, but also "Not grown up" "little boys in mens' bodies", often because they didn't have a strong male figure in their childhood. I've known lots of young men who didn't have fathers, for some reason, I am like a magnet for them but I can't stand them, they make me sick, and unless I'm getting I'm the one making a boy, I'm not helping him with shit.

One more thing, with all this androgyny talk, just look at all the rap stars and actors being put in dresses, they can't be all that masculine if most of them are willing to do that. Chappelle caught on to it and wasn't having it.

fen said:

So, by implication, these are qualities that you identify as expressions of femininity? The real question is to what extent given qualities are innately feminine or masculine, and to what extent they're merely external constructs, perpetuated and adopted in accordance with the organising principles of society. Prince and other artists may help to raise issues of identity politics through a process of artistic experimentation, but they're usually appropriating pre-established symbols of gender which deserve to be challenged in and of themselves. What is innately feminine about a dress for example? What is the social and symbolic function of lace? Whence the archetypal symbol of the quiet, strong, stoic male bread winner or the brash, egoistical and ruthless entrepreneur? The same kind of questioning can be applied to racial designations and identifications as well. While it's important for oppressed groups to establish an organised sense of identity in order to combat this oppression, ultimately the pursuit of freedom must eventually resolve itself into questions of individual sovereignty (it's just a matter of getting to that point). Artists, thinkers and political agitators from minority groups tend to face pressures that members of the predominant or ruling community do not, since they're often limited to being representatives of their “community”. One thing that I've always admired about Prince is that his instincts were always profoundly individualistic, and that he resisted being pigeon-holed along any of these lines from the outset. Some may argue that this was a shrewd piece of marketing, and that he was merely presenting a fascinating spectacle, but I genuinely think that he was a true individual. He didn't have a particularly sophisticated or thought-out philosophy in my view, as his later conservatism proves, but his early instincts were good (and authentic I'd argue).

[Edited 7/6/17 16:43pm]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

tishal said:

I agree because he was androgynous without losing a SINGLE OUNCE of masculinity. To me, it made him more masculine. If he was 6'2", it might not have been pulled off successfully. His small size and deep voice...it worked! He did it without seeming submissive, because he was in control of how much and how far. Pure sexy genius. Even though he cut it back after the 80s, he still kept the heels and makeup and worked better than any woman I know! Great thread.

I do not find prince androgynous. I find his look beautiful and very feminine, and his presentation all masculine, aggressive musically, hyper heterosexual sensuality, masculine body movement and walk, and all together over the top perfection...

I do not find water to be wet. It glistens on my skin and drips on things but it is not wet.

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

In the African American community Princes style wasn't really all that uncommon. Men typically dressed in that fashion on most Sunday's. especially I find it common in the south. Men wearing bright suits with colorful ties and hats and canes was kinda of a Staple of Sunday best. Especially if it was a high holiday like Easter. Men would be decked out in Easter egg colored suits. Prince has extra flair cause he chose to wear his Sunday best everyday of the week. But I wouldn't call it androgyny. I would call it Sharp dressed Sunday brother.

that look was temporary, sometimes Prince

this is Prince most of the time

I don't know if many Sunday services allowed this lol

I actually liked the futuristic tribal look he wore a lot in the last years

purplefam99 said:

fen said:

He didn't have a particularly sophisticated or thought-out philosophy in my view, as his later conservatism proves, but his early instincts were good (and authentic I'd argue).

[Edited 7/6/17 16:43pm]

Fen Your points are well pointed, perhaps until (for me) the point about His later, as you call it conservatism, if we chose to disagree with something is it always because someone is conservative or liberal. I find this tiring. Because I believe P was always as religious/conservative (as u put it)/ from the outset as he was later. He was younger and maybe more of an adventurous storyteller but I think he was the same and that his earlier days didn't diminish his spiritual self It doesn't seem logical to me to say one is more authentic because of preference. [Edited 7/6/17 21:26pm]

Hi purplefam99 – my comments regarding authenticity were a response to the suggestion that Prince used these themes tactically, in order to create a disingenuous public persona and capture public attention. I disagree with the conservative world view, but of course someone can be authentically conservative. I agree, a deep interest in religion and spirituality was always present in his work, and his attempts to reconcile this with his libido and desire for freedom is one of his central themes. It was always inclusive and non-judgemental in the early days though.

jdcxc said:

purplefam99 said:

In the African American community Princes style wasn't really all that uncommon. Men typically dressed in that fashion on most Sunday's. especially I find it common in the south. Men wearing bright suits with colorful ties and hats and canes was kinda of a Staple of Sunday best. Especially if it was a high holiday like Easter. Men would be decked out in Easter egg colored suits. Prince has extra flair cause he chose to wear his Sunday best everyday of the week. But I wouldn't call it androgyny. I would call it Sharp dressed Sunday brother.

You obviously missed the eyeliner and makeup, g string with leg warmers, high heels, halle berry hair and booty arched photo shoots.

Yes, when I lived in South London, people always looked sharp on their way to church, but I don't recall anyone looking like this

poppys said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

poppys said:

I do not find water to be wet. It glistens on my skin and drips on things but it is not wet.

Thanks for your thoughtful response. This is my opinion, androgyny = gender identity ambiguity, because prince dressed very feminine at times, there was no doubt about his gender ever. I did not look at prince ever, and say is that a man or a woman, my perception of prince in every era, in every outfit is, that is the sexiest MAN ever born, not ambiguous at all...Prince is a prime example of a man dressing very feminine and not being androgynous...in my opinion

It was meant in fun. It just amuses me how people regard certain words as wrong but have no problem at all with others. Just in life in general, what a particular word means to different people.

On the org we do split hairs, I know.

fen said:

jdcxc said:

purplefam99 said: You obviously missed the eyeliner and makeup, g string with leg warmers, high heels, halle berry hair and booty arched photo shoots.

Yes, when I lived in South London, people always looked sharp on their way to church, but I don't recall anyone looking like this

LOL if they did they had them in the prayer room QUICKLY lol

poppys said:

I do not find water to be wet. It glistens on my skin and drips on things but it is not wet.

That is actually very poetically sensual

PeteSilas said:

gandorb said:

While I agree with your assessment of many American men being overly babied and immature, androgyny isn't related to whining, shirking responsibility, or gossiping. Those are just negative stereotypes of being feminine, though I don't consider them accurate. Androgyny has a lot to with having interests and aspects of your identity that are not more aligned with one gender or the other, including sex roles, interests, "feminine" and "masculine" traits, and sometimes reflected in appearance as well. Your description of an androgynous male makes it sound like some type of weakness rather than the psychological strength it often is found to be in research of sex roles. How androgynous Prince was is up for debate, but can we do so without slandering those who are androgynous.

i guess i'm looking at what makes men men, moreso than what makes women women. In my mind, a man takes care of things that need taken care of, they aren't overemotional and hypersensitive, they don't spend all their time gossiping. Society in the us pretty much is at odds with traditional masculinity, in fact, it's way more acceptable to call someone a name like "chauvinist" rather than calling a female a "bitch". Most men I know can't even stand up to their own wives let alone another man, i don't think it's an accident, i don't think it was always this way and most importantly, i don't think it's natural. Men aren't evolved to live societies like this, not having any autonomy, not being able to stand up to their bosses, their authority figures, their women or even their own children anymore. Like Bill Maher said, our tv programs this shit too, women on tv are all knowing, wise, smart, men are dumbshits.

Of course we are all androgynous in many ways and there are strengths in many feminine characteristics but our society is totally out of whack.

I think that Trump's election is much more "whack", and an urgent and dangerous matter to deal with, than both sexes trying to find common grounds, as far as "your society" goes, or rather, your idea of what a society should be.

Traditional masculinity.... Ah! Let me remind you that the ancient greeks, who from a distance looked all macho and stuff (the olympics, etc.), engaged in sodomy with their mentors (or their pupils), and so were adopting a "penetrated" sexuality, which is the natural norm for women to experience. Matriarcal cultures work seamlessly without conflicts and wars, unless you consider them qualities.

I don't know what great age of manhood you're nostalgic about, but I think it's a big fantasy of yours. It doesn't take Stevie Wonder to see that in most cases, men that put their masculinity traits on display are the most insecure ones.

And as far as education goes, you probably as a newborn got your diapers changed and ass wiped by a woman, you've been fed all your childhood by a woman, and who was there when you had a fever? So your bullshit speech about how "it's men that take care of things" is totally biased.

Women are in an inferior position since centuries just because one day, a fucked up cro-magnon noticed he had superior physical strength and he could punch a woman without getting a punch back. I'm glad these days are finally over, even if conservatives like yourself try to resist the inevitable.

I'm pretty surprised you're such the Prince fan, giving that a large part of his work is about reconciling genders. What thoughts does "If I Was You Girlfriend" provoke in you?

i believe the election of trump is a reaction to a lot of the bullshit, the three bathrooms and shit. we don't need no three bathrooms whatsoever mister. Yes, i know all about masculine/feminine qualities, I've spent a lot of time studying it. I know that women are the nuturers, men are the providers, the hunter gatherers. You brought up the greeks who did some sick shit, not me, but I'm not even talking about sexuality perse, I'm talking about personality traits and what I see today are overfemininzed, coddled, pussified, needy, immature men and they make me sick. We have wierd little campaigns against bullying, which is stupid as fuck. To me, I always look beyond the bullshit, what are we teaching these kids? We are conditioning them to be helpless and to go tell the authority figure that they are being picked on, who does that really help? I can't even relate to most men today because I slight them over something I wasn't even aware I did, didn't call them enough or some bullshit, that's bitch shit.

bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

i guess i'm looking at what makes men men, moreso than what makes women women. In my mind, a man takes care of things that need taken care of, they aren't overemotional and hypersensitive, they don't spend all their time gossiping. Society in the us pretty much is at odds with traditional masculinity, in fact, it's way more acceptable to call someone a name like "chauvinist" rather than calling a female a "bitch". Most men I know can't even stand up to their own wives let alone another man, i don't think it's an accident, i don't think it was always this way and most importantly, i don't think it's natural. Men aren't evolved to live societies like this, not having any autonomy, not being able to stand up to their bosses, their authority figures, their women or even their own children anymore. Like Bill Maher said, our tv programs this shit too, women on tv are all knowing, wise, smart, men are dumbshits.

Of course we are all androgynous in many ways and there are strengths in many feminine characteristics but our society is totally out of whack.

I think that Trump's election is much more "whack", and an urgent and dangerous matter to deal with, than both sexes trying to find common grounds, as far as "your society" goes, or rather, your idea of what a society should be.

Traditional masculinity.... Ah! Let me remind you that the ancient greeks, who from a distance looked all macho and stuff (the olympics, etc.), engaged in sodomy with their mentors (or their pupils), and so were adopting a "penetrated" sexuality, which is the natural norm for women to experience. Matriarcal cultures work seamlessly without conflicts and wars, unless you consider them qualities.

I don't know what great age of manhood you're nostalgic about, but I think it's a big fantasy of yours. It doesn't take Stevie Wonder to see that in most cases, men that put their masculinity traits on display are the most insecure ones.

And as far as education goes, you probably as a newborn got your diapers changed and ass wiped by a woman, you've been fed all your childhood by a woman, and who was there when you had a fever? So your bullshit speech about how "it's men that take care of things" is totally biased.

Women are in an inferior position since centuries just because one day, a fucked up cro-magnon noticed he had superior physical strength and he could punch a woman without getting a punch back. I'm glad these days are finally over, even if conservatives like yourself try to resist the inevitable.

I'm pretty surprised you're such the Prince fan, giving that a large part of his work is about reconciling genders. What thoughts does "If I Was You Girlfriend" provoke in you?

jdcxc said:

purplefam99 said:

In the African American community Princes style wasn't really all that uncommon. Men typically dressed in that fashion on most Sunday's. especially I find it common in the south. Men wearing bright suits with colorful ties and hats and canes was kinda of a Staple of Sunday best. Especially if it was a high holiday like Easter. Men would be decked out in Easter egg colored suits. Prince has extra flair cause he chose to wear his Sunday best everyday of the week. But I wouldn't call it androgyny. I would call it Sharp dressed Sunday brother.

You obviously missed the eyeliner and makeup, g string with leg warmers, high heels, halle berry hair and booty arched photo shoots.

i don't view the makeup and eyeliner as feminine, AFRICAN MEN and native americans have been painting their faces since the dawn,

not feminine to me, women adopted it!!! And i also believe that africans wore little to nothing, usually just

donning a headrest makeup and buck naked, sooooooooo very masculine to me again. Malcom X

and his contemporaries "conked"/relaxed their hair all the time, wearing it in a similar stlye.

So to me, my friends Prince was just embracing his African Roots, having always been in touch with

them and not some come lately afrocentric sensiblity that most people think he had late in life. it

was always there his roots, his african heritage. i suppose if isn't your heritage i will cut you some slack for not seeing it from the outset. Peace.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/21/d2/8e/21d28e7653447afc9e08eb34fb8e3d89--zulu-warrior-african-warrior.jpg?noindex=1

OldFriends4Sale said:

fen said:

Yes, when I lived in South London, people always looked sharp on their way to church, but I don't recall anyone looking like this

LOL if they did they had them in the prayer room QUICKLY lol

zulu warriors do!!!!

please for the love of all things, GOOGLE AFRICAN WARRIOR PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO WE NOT REMEMBER FROM WHENCE WE CAME??????!!!!!!!

tishal said:

khill95 said:

I read somewhere a while back, I believe it said something on the lines of... with the death of Prince, came the death of the androgynous figure in mainstream black culture. Something like that. Obviously sad, cause...HE'S dead. But sad in the fact that, I really can't think of any black male stars alive that do the androgynous thing. And androgynous not just in the physical appearance, but in the way that they carry themself. A large majority of men nowadays are afraid of being seen as less than masculine, giving into their feminine side, being submissive. And I NEVER understood why we let it go that way. How is it that after the 80s with P and MJ being at the forefront of music, that we took a complete 180, started to look the other way again, and sort of, never really went back?

I agree because he was androgynous without losing a SINGLE OUNCE of masculinity. To me, it made him more masculine. If he was 6'2", it might not have been pulled off successfully. His small size and deep voice...it worked! He did it without seeming submissive, because he was in control of how much and how far. Pure sexy genius. Even though he cut it back after the 80s, he still kept the heels and makeup and worked better than any woman I know! Great thread.

This right here...something about Prince made him Prince, and do things that no one else could get away with, black, white purple, whatever. I've never been about to put my finger on it. I rememebr buying "Prince" and thinking "he looks gay, but listening to his music, he's clearly not". He was obviously channeling the feminine, but was most assuredly masculine. In fact, this is one of the things about Prince that kept me literally amazed by him. His ability to be both with the utmost confidence, as if it was the most natural thing in the world to be.