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laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

I think it is foolish to say this or that is what a person with a dependancy/addiction looks like. They are not all 'stoned out of their ass.' There are many people who use drugs, and lead highly functioning lives. Hell, perhaps there are a number on this board. It depends upon the drug, and the persons will power. Prince was highly controlling, and this very well may have impacted his capacity to control his drug use. Clearly there was a problem. He had numerous pills all over the place, in vitamin bottles, intended to hide what he was doing. I don't think I am being critical, or maligning. I love that man but it is not possible to ignore that he died from a fentanyl overdose (a huge overdose) a week after nearly dying from a first. I won't live in denial about this. I would rather use this sad situation for some good.

Come back when you have the correct info.

I don't have the correct info?. Please enlighten.

um by posting you are getting involved, but no one said she attacked the deceased. Where are you getting this stuff from? I mean this in all sincerity. But is English(American) you first language? I mean I'm encountering one extreme misunderstanding or just total confusion from you right after another

purplerabbithole said:

NOt to get to involved with this argument, but I don't think she was doing the equivalent of attacking the deceased. Implying that Prince might be angry over the drug addict label isn't really attacking him. Is it celebratory? NOt really? Its defensive but she posted 3 or 4 other memes etc that were in celebration of Prince.

That's all I wanted to say.

OldFriends4Sale said:

1. And I can and will check you

2. Look all I said, is it probably isn't the best move on a birthday. They are celebrations. Like you don't go to a 911 memorial and say 'American government conspired to do this. You don't go to a funeral and attack the diseased.

3. You do, sugar

I am not sure why I am not allowed to get involved in conversations (or at least strongly discouraged from doing so) . Maybe, I was wrong to speak for others. But its an open forum (as long as rules are followed), is it not?

This is what I was responding to. Your analogy about attacking the diseased at a funeral..I don't think what she did compares to that at all. YOu may not have meant it quite like that. Maybe you were just trying to give an example of people using inappropriate actions at inappropriate times.) But remember he is also diseased and looking pissed in the picture.. This is not just about disagreements over feelings between us, it is about interpreting things slightly different. We can't always recognize tone and intention sometimes online. In this post, I am trying to be nice here. No shade intended at all here.

1. And I can and will check you

2. Look all I said, is it probably isn't the best move on a birthday. They are celebrations. Like you don't go to a 911 memorial and say 'American government conspired to do this. You don't go to a funeral and attack the diseased.

3. You do, sugar

OldFriends4Sale said:

um by posting you are getting involved, but no one said she attacked the deceased. Where are you getting this stuff from? I mean this in all sincerity. But is English(American) you first language? I mean I'm encountering one extreme misunderstanding or just total confusion from you right after another

purplerabbithole said:

NOt to get to involved with this argument, but I don't think she was doing the equivalent of attacking the deceased. Implying that Prince might be angry over the drug addict label isn't really attacking him. Is it celebratory? NOt really? Its defensive but she posted 3 or 4 other memes etc that were in celebration of Prince.

That's all I wanted to say.

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I did not say you were not allowed.

It was U who said:Not to get involved with this arguement

it was an oxymoron of sorts, you say "Not to get involved with this..." then you get involved.
Just talk,

Those were just examples, not literal purplerabbithole. I think it is clear I'm just giving examples.

purplerabbithole said:

I am not sure why I am not allowed to get involved in conversations (or at least strongly discouraged from doing so) . Maybe, I was wrong to speak for others. But its an open forum (as long as rules are followed), is it not?

This is what I was responding to. Your analogy about attacking the diseased at a funeral..I don't think what she did compares to that at all. YOu may not have meant it quite like that. Maybe you were just trying to give an example of people using inappropriate actions at inappropriate times.) But remember he is also diseased and looking pissed in the picture.. This is not just about disagreements over feelings between us, it is about interpreting things slightly different. We can't always recognize tone and intention sometimes online. In this post, I am trying to be nice here. No shade intended at all here.

1. And I can and will check you

2. Look all I said, is it probably isn't the best move on a birthday. They are celebrations. Like you don't go to a 911 memorial and say 'American government conspired to do this. You don't go to a funeral and attack the diseased.

3. You do, sugar

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Dini said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

Associates:
Who is Kiran Sharma

La La

Marcus

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Associates:
Who is Kiran Sharma

La La

Marcus

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I went back to find the links I posted but of course they have been deleted and some of these people have deleted the post from their IG.

See one post from Prince org were I put the link from Deliah below.

http://prince.org/msg/7/432461

Sheila E- I know something but I will never tell.

Delilah- I tell it one day.

LaLa Escarza - He did not have AIDS if people only knew the truth

Julia Ramadan - To Judith "If you are going to tell it tell the whole story"

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The Sheila E comment was actully made by her in a T.V interview.

Delilah from her IG which now does not have the post.

LaLa comments are from her IG which now has the post removed

Julia's comments are from her IG.

You may also want to go back and listen to this interview with Kim. She slips up.

See some stuff from La La from her IG that is still up.

https://www.instagram.com...&hl=en

https://www.instagram.com...&hl=en

OldFriends4Sale said:

Associates:
Who is Kiran Sharma

La La

Marcus

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Kiran was his manager

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jasmine-dotiwala/the-power-behind-prince_b_1527599.html

La La was a dancer chorograpgher

n September 2012 he introduced the new NPG Hornz as an 11 piece ensemble:

• Sylvester Onyejiaka (saxophone)
• BK Jackson (saxophone)
• Marcus Anderson (saxophone)
• Adrian Crutchfield (saxophone)
• Keith Anderson (saxophone)
• Lynn Grissett (trumpet)
• Steve Reid (trumpet)
• Phil Lassiter (trumpet)
• Nick Marchione (trumpet)
• Roy Agee (trombone)
• Joey Rayfield (trombone)

Marcus was a sax player who made some comments on his Facebook page.

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Andrian Chruchfield has given numerous interviews about his feelings that Prince was not a drug addict and even mentioned following the money long before Lonnie's antics were known to the public.

Micheal B. Nelson has also said Prince was not on drugs when he was working with him in January of 2016. His comments were in the Rolling Stone article right after Prince's article.

Kind of unfair for people to say prove it with links when whole threads have been deleted with a wealth of info.

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NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

I actually believe I posted this before and it was discussed at length when people were making these statements. 1) Kiran Sharma said it 2) La La said it 3) Marcus one of the horn players said it. 4) Numerous people who worked with him in early 2016 who are telling us they looked in his face everyday and he was not high ( Michael Nelson and Andrian Cructhfield.

That's because he wasn't high. You are thinking of a junkie when you talk about being high. Prince was no junkie. One does not get high when taking medicinal dosages. Nor do you stumble around, slur your words, or any other descriptor you (constantly) use to describe a person who is "high". And furthermore, just because "no one ever saw him take anything" doesn't mean he didn't. I don't make a point of letting everyone know when I take my medication. I have been on my meds for over 10 years and there are people in my life who have no clue what I take. People hide things, have secrets and are not forthcoming with every single aspect of their life. It's painfully apparent that even Prince had secrets. Maybe if I repeat my self over and over and over, at some point it will stick.

It he was abusing these meds than he would have been high? He would not have been following a normal dosage? He would have been addicted and not dependent?

You are following the correct dosage so of course you not give off a clue as to what you are taking. I am correct on that?

If I am correct than your stituation and Prince's stituation would not be the same in the final months of his life?

Remember Andrian and Michael B. Nelson were working with him up and until January which is right around the time he started looking thin and not eating much per the chefs.

These are some questions that I do not think many people are taking into consideration.

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NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

I actually believe I posted this before and it was discussed at length when people were making these statements. 1) Kiran Sharma said it 2) La La said it 3) Marcus one of the horn players said it. 4) Numerous people who worked with him in early 2016 who are telling us they looked in his face everyday and he was not high ( Michael Nelson and Andrian Cructhfield.

That's because he wasn't high. You are thinking of a junkie when you talk about being high. Prince was no junkie. One does not get high when taking medicinal dosages. Nor do you stumble around, slur your words, or any other descriptor you (constantly) use to describe a person who is "high". And furthermore, just because "no one ever saw him take anything" doesn't mean he didn't. I don't make a point of letting everyone know when I take my medication. I have been on my meds for over 10 years and there are people in my life who have no clue what I take. People hide things, have secrets and are not forthcoming with every single aspect of their life. It's painfully apparent that even Prince had secrets. Maybe if I repeat my self over and over and over, at some point it will stick.

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Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

cloveringold85 said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said: That's because he wasn't high. You are thinking of a junkie when you talk about being high. Prince was no junkie. One does not get high when taking medicinal dosages. Nor do you stumble around, slur your words, or any other descriptor you (constantly) use to describe a person who is "high". And furthermore, just because "no one ever saw him take anything" doesn't mean he didn't. I don't make a point of letting everyone know when I take my medication. I have been on my meds for over 10 years and there are people in my life who have no clue what I take. People hide things, have secrets and are not forthcoming with every single aspect of their life. It's painfully apparent that even Prince had secrets. Maybe if I repeat my self over and over and over, at some point it will stick.

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Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

Tiger is a perfect example and so is are the clips from Chris Connell's last show and he did not have enough meds to o.d. in his system but he had substances he did not have an Rx for as well as loads of caffine from No Doz pills which obvisouly were not helping with his sluring and loopy behavior.

He wife became alarmed because he was sluring his words when speaking on the phone. So we know the few meds he had in his system were made it impossible to hide the fact that he was high.

When you abuse you give off the signs. Maybe Prince was not abusing maybe he was taking a normal dosage for pain until he started to have increasing pain. You could die from alcohol posioning and not be an alcoholic you just drank too much alcohol and killed yourself.

Happens to college kids who binge drink.

cloveringold85 said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said: That's because he wasn't high. You are thinking of a junkie when you talk about being high. Prince was no junkie. One does not get high when taking medicinal dosages. Nor do you stumble around, slur your words, or any other descriptor you (constantly) use to describe a person who is "high". And furthermore, just because "no one ever saw him take anything" doesn't mean he didn't. I don't make a point of letting everyone know when I take my medication. I have been on my meds for over 10 years and there are people in my life who have no clue what I take. People hide things, have secrets and are not forthcoming with every single aspect of their life. It's painfully apparent that even Prince had secrets. Maybe if I repeat my self over and over and over, at some point it will stick.

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Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

Not necessarily. If someone has gained a "tolerance", they are capable of seeming normal because of the tolerance. Whereas if the same person took the same amount in the begging of taking said medication, they would probably OD the amount which they gained a tolerance to further down the line. Example: Someone starts taking a 10/500mg Vicodin twice a day. They gain a tolerance. One year later they are up to 3 to 5 10/500 mg Vicodin, and even though that may have caused them to OD in the beginning, since they gained a tolerance, they are taking more to get the same effect all the while the person does not appear "high" directly because of the tolerance gained.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

Tiger is a perfect example and so is are the clips from Chris Connell's last show and he did not have enough meds to o.d. in his system but he had substances he did not have an Rx for as well as loads of caffine from No Doz pills which obvisouly were not helping with his sluring and loopy behavior.

He wife became alarmed because he was sluring his words when speaking on the phone. So we know the few meds he had in his system were made it impossible to hide the fact that he was high.

When you abuse you give off the signs. Maybe Prince was not abusing maybe he was taking a normal dosage for pain until he started to have increasing pain. You could die from alcohol posioning and not be an alcoholic you just drank too much alcohol and killed yourself.

Happens to college kids who binge drink.

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I watched the Tiger Woods video of his arrest and it was very painful to watch. When you witness what prescription drugs (too much) can do to someone, it's so heartbreaking.

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It's a terrible tragedy what happened to Chris Cornell. It didn't have to happen. His Wife knew something was "off" with him, but unfortunately, they got to him too late. Same case with Prince. Help came too late.

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I've lived with people with addiction, so I have seen it first-hand. I saw what alcoholism did to my Mother and Father and my own Sister is now battling addiction. Prescription drug abuse is an epidemic in this country and we simply can not turn a blind-eye to it.

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I have an occassional drink or glass of wine, but I know my limits. But yes, sometimes people over- indulge in alcohol and the results can be tragic. True.

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precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

Not necessarily. If someone has gained a "tolerance", they are capable of seeming normal because of the tolerance. Whereas if the same person took the same amount in the begging of taking said medication, they would probably OD the amount which they gained a tolerance to further down the line. Example: Someone starts taking a 10/500mg Vicodin twice a day. They gain a tolerance. One year later they are up to 3 to 5 10/500 mg Vicodin, and even though that may have caused them to OD in the beginning, since they gained a tolerance, they are taking more to get the same effect all the while the person does not appear "high" directly because of the tolerance gained.

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Yes, I understand what you are saying regarding tolerance levels. I guess my sentence was too vague. What I mean is, if someone is taking "more" than what is prescribed and/or due to their tolerance level of that drug, then they will have obvious limited mental and physical abilities.

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Thanks for pointing that out and I should have been more clear when I said "more than prescribed".

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

Ummmm....no. He was also taking Xanax. The Xanax was responsible for the "slurring words", "lack of coordination", etc. http://www.miami.com/miam...27/#frag-3 "According to drugs.com, Xanax “affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.” Side effects include drowsiness (check), feeling tired (check); slurred speech (check), lack of balance or coordination (check, check); memory problems....." Just saying.

He had other drugs in his system besides Xanax. None of which was enough to make him O.D. but you could see he was putting on a bad performance and obviously slurring his words enough to concern his wife.

Remember the point here it was not enough to O.D. but enough to be noticed that he was high.

Oh and Chris had been using drugs since he was 14 so what sort of tolerance level do you think he had. I also might add he did not look like fifty miles of bad road in the face like Prince did. I do not care what any of you say his face was a face of an illness.

See drugs in his system.

Additionally, seven different drugs were found in Cornell's post mortem toxicology report, including a significant dose of the anxiety medicine Ativan. However, it is the medical examiner's opinion that "these drugs did not contribute to the cause of death."

The drugs found in Cornell's system were "butalbital, lorazepam, pseudoephedrine and its metabolite norpseudoephedrine, caffeine, and naloxone." The caffeine came from No-Doz tablets the singer ingested prior to his death, while the pseudoephedrine was employed as a decongestant.

Other prescription drugs included the sedative Butalbital, Narcan ("a narcotic antagonist") and four doses of Lorazepam, which is known as the anx...ion Ativan.

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NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.

Ummmm....no. He was also taking Xanax. The Xanax was responsible for the "slurring words", "lack of coordination", etc. http://www.miami.com/miam...27/#frag-3 "According to drugs.com, Xanax “affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.” Side effects include drowsiness (check), feeling tired (check); slurred speech (check), lack of balance or coordination (check, check); memory problems....." Just saying.

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The article also states:

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And, well, Vicodin “contains a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone,” an opioid pain medication. Common side effects include drowsiness (check); as well as blurred vision and dry mouth.

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A lot of drugs cause these side-effects.

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said: Ummmm....no. He was also taking Xanax. The Xanax was responsible for the "slurring words", "lack of coordination", etc. http://www.miami.com/miam...27/#frag-3 "According to drugs.com, Xanax “affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.” Side effects include drowsiness (check), feeling tired (check); slurred speech (check), lack of balance or coordination (check, check); memory problems....." Just saying.

He had other drugs in his system besides Xanax. None of which was enough to make him O.D. but you could see he was putting on a bad performance and obviously slurring his words enough to concern his wife.

Remember the point here it was not enough to O.D. but enough to be noticed that he was high.

Oh and Chris had been using drugs since he was 14 so what sort of tolerance level do you think he had.

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Laura, we were talking about Tiger Woods and Chris Cornell simultaneously, so it just got mixed up a bit, LOL

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But yea, Tiger Woods was taking Xanax and Vicodin.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

He had other drugs in his system besides Xanax. None of which was enough to make him O.D. but you could see he was putting on a bad performance and obviously slurring his words enough to concern his wife.

Remember the point here it was not enough to O.D. but enough to be noticed that he was high.

Oh and Chris had been using drugs since he was 14 so what sort of tolerance level do you think he had.

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Laura, we were talking about Tiger Woods and Chris Cornell simultaneously, so it just got mixed up a bit, LOL

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But yea, Tiger Woods was taking Xanax and Vicodin.

Yes, and look at how out of it he was. Also remember that was Tiger's 4th back surgery so we have no idea how long he has been on pain meds and what his tolerence level his.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Laura, we were talking about Tiger Woods and Chris Cornell simultaneously, so it just got mixed up a bit, LOL

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But yea, Tiger Woods was taking Xanax and Vicodin.

Yes, and look at how out of it he was. Also remember that was Tiger's 4th back surgery so we have no idea how long he has been on pain meds and what his tolerence level his.

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4th back surgery? That's terrible. He must be in incredible pain to be on such heavy meds. I do hope is he okay.

A Kim Berry instagram thread turned into a Tiger Woods back surgery thread. Classic.

laurarichardson said: